Lori Alexander - Still Not Learning A Thing, Part 3

[Jessa's Feet]

"When Jesus found that all the soup was spilled he picked up his cross and stumbled all the way to Calvary, to die, so that you and I could have a fresh spotless life of new soup. He cleaned up all our mess and made us whole again."

I feel as if this needs to be worked into more sermons. With no backstory. If there is anything that I can say to Ken it's, thank you. Thank you for that statement. I feel as if it could possibly stand alone on a bumper sticker. Seriously. Just so people could try to untangle that.

[usmcmom]

snipped:

Ken:

Good lord people, he made a pot of soup- he didn't give the woman a kidney. My husband cooks dinner ALL.THE.TIME. He doesn't blog about it. He doesn't whine about it. :roll:

Lori needs a shirt that says:

"I submit to his every whim, and all I got was a lousy pot of soup"

The bolded reminded me. I actually have a relative who DID receive a kidney from his wife and they didn't even put it on facebook, let alone make a big ol' blog post about it. Basically only family knew because...you know...humility. Also, the family who took meals, missed work to care for them? Not an internet peep about it.

Ken's post reminds me of those Facebook posts I read where someone has done a good deed (these especially happen around Christmas) and then makes a big long post about how "God led me to do something for this homeless guy...." I think we lose nice points when we brag about what we do for others, especially when it's something basic like making food for your ill spouse.

(Hope I did that snippage thing right.)

[VodouDoll]

Yes, but were the vegetables organic? Were they? He only mentioned it a million times so I just wasn't sure.

[EmiGirl]

If I were cooking for Lori I would get non organic and tell her it was organic and laugh as she ate it and didn't know the difference.

[kpmom]

I'm also willing to bet that Lori has fibromyalgia. It can co-exist with other conditions, and can also result from physical or mental trauma. If that's the case, the irony is that some of her advice is actually likely to promote fibromyalgia is susceptible individuals. Extreme chronic stress - like the kind you get after putting up with someone constantly treating you like shit, as in TheJoyFilledWife's case, can trigger it.

I always thought it was ironic (or maybe not) that her chronic pain started right about the same time as her marriage. :think:

[VooDooChild]

Love this.

:lol: That is so rich.

Someone please post this in their comments.

[Curious]

Burning pain is caused by nerve damage (neuropathy). I am sorry, but having suffered from neuropathy for some 18 years now, I find it incredibly hard to believe that there are NO medicines out there that can help Lori without causing other issues.

Some of them cause side effects for some people, but my dr. has always managed to find one that works for me without causing side effects that are impossible to deal with.

I've been on a number of different ones because some work better than others. In fact, we are in the process of changing some of my meds around so right now I'm having nerve pain in my foot a lot of the time. It sucks, but that's how things go.

The thing that actually works best for me is Cymbalta, which we know Lori will never try because it's an evil anti-depressant (which happens to have an off label use of helping nerve pain). When my dr. suggested it, I was a little skeptical, I admit. I thought maybe it was an easy way to get me on an anti-depressant (even though I'm not adverse to them and generally speaking people in chronic pain have some level of depression), but it started working for my nerve pain within just a a few doses and it had the added benefit of helping my depression, which I didn't realize was as bad as it was.

Lori needs to find herself a good dr and LISTEN to them, not Ken.

[Stynjen]

Update in the comments section of the Soupgate post:

Ken · 9 hours ago

For those who are following along wth comments,

After a really rough night we have gone to the emergency room and it looks like Lori has very low sodium levels of 110. She will be admitted to the ICU after a brain scan. Please keep her in your prayers. We know she is much loved, especially by our Savior.

[littlemommy]

It's such an odd feeling to say "Aww" when talking about someone I despise. But human to human--poor Lori.

[Koala]

I am genuinely sorry for her. I disagree with her in every possible way, but I wouldn't wish poor health on anyone. I hope she has a fast recovery, and I hope Ken has the decency to act like a human being during all of this.

[lilwriter85]

Lori is hard to sympathize with. But I somehow always manage to have some sympathy for her. I wish Lori would stop giving out advice on physical and mental health issues.

As for Soupgate, Lori has had similar conflicts in the past. I get that when people are ill, they can be moody. A few years back, Lori talked about how during one of her illnesses, she got pissed at her father for bringing the wrong soup from a health foods place. Then she complained about soup that her daughter made later on.

[Koala]

Ken's post was 19 hours ago. No update.

[kpmom]

Yeah, I can't wish anything bad on her, and I do hope she's o.k.

[usmcmom]

This is very sad. I'm sure her children, especially those far away, are quite worried. Also, as strong as Lori is in her faith and knowledge of scripture, she has to be frightened. I'm very glad, though, that they finally sought medical help.

[Loveday]

This is very sad. I'm sure her children, especially those far away, are quite worried. Also, as strong as Lori is in her faith and knowledge of scripture, she has to be frightened. I'm very glad, though, that they finally sought medical help.

This. Hopefully she's on some pain meds now as well as whatever else she needs to recover.

Much as I dislike Lori and everything she (and Ken!) writes, I don't wish her ill.

[ViolaSebastian]

Lori is hard to sympathize with. But I somehow always manage to have some sympathy for her. I wish Lori would stop giving out advice on physical and mental health issues.

As for Soupgate, Lori has had similar conflicts in the past. I get that when people are ill, they can be moody. A few years back, Lori talked about how during one of her illnesses, she got pissed at her father for bringing the wrong soup from a health foods place. Then she complained about soup that her daughter made later on.

This may land me in Bitch Corner ^TM again, but I don't have any sympathy for Lori. She's shown time and time again that she is incapable of feeling it for other people, including small children. A woman who thinks that beating a child so hard that you think you've broken her arm isn't abusive? A woman that kicks a small animal because she can't control her temper? A woman that tells people to force feed a screaming toddler? A woman that counsels abused wives to stick with their abusers and give it the old college try? Yeah, no. I'm not going to have sympathy for someone who supports inflicting pain and suffering on defenseless people and animals.

I don't wish her any harm, but I also don't give a rats ass if she's suffering.

[Koala]

I am assuming that Lori is at least semi okay, because Ken is on the blog posting about sex in the comments :roll:

The conscience of an unbeliever can condemn them, and some choose to not have premarital sex becaus they know it is wrong to rob the one they will marry of the joy of being the only one they have had sex with.

:x

It's very odd that he went back to the soup post to put the ICU update, and didn't address the issue again. I am betting a lot of her readers never saw that comment. I kind of thought today's post would be an update about her condition, but it seems to be something Lori wrote before and saved for later.

[usmcmom]

I am assuming that Lori is at least semi okay, because Ken is on the blog posting about sex in the comments :roll:

:x

It's very odd that he went back to the soup post to put the ICU update, and didn't address the issue again. I am betting a lot of her readers never saw that comment. I kind of thought today's post would be an update about her condition, but it seems to be something Lori wrote before and saved for later.

I was wondering about this. Didn't he say she was admitted to the ICU? I guess a "concerned" spouse might use the internet as a way to pass time while the patient slept. But I wonder if a truly concerned spouse would use that time to update relatives, speak to nurses about her care, read scripture or pray?? It just seems very cold (aka Ken-like) to report that his wife is in ICU one evening and then post extremely long comments on the blog the next day - comments that have nothing to do with her condition. He asked their readers for prayer yet does not give updates. It is very Steve Maxwellian of him. I wonder if he's even been at the hospital with her. Also, what are the chances that he's gone into her scheduled posts and moved things around so that he can post some of his original work?

I feel really bad for the healthcare providers that have to deal with Ken Alexander, especially the young female ones.

[usmcmom]

Now I'm thinking back to Ken's "Whore of Babylon" rant about working women. Many of Lori's caregivers are probably married women. I wonder if he is treating them with any respect at all. Does he notice their wedding rings and tell them they should be at home with their husbands? The more I think about it, the more I REALLY feel bad for anybody dealing with the Alexander family during this hospital stay.

[Koala]

Now I'm thinking back to Ken's "Whore of Babylon" rant about working women. Many of Lori's caregivers are probably married women. I wonder if he is treating them with any respect at all. Does he notice their wedding rings and tell them they should be at home with their husbands? The more I think about it, the more I REALLY feel bad for anybody dealing with the Alexander family during this hospital stay.

It's more likely that he's flirting with the nurses and inviting them to lunch.

On second thought- when you consider his remarks about taking Lori to her Cyber Knife treatments, there's a possibility he's not there at all. He may very well just carry on about his normal routine. He said sex and basketball were sacred- he didn't say anything about Lori.

[polecat]

I feel for her. I can't help it. She probably feels horrible and powerless and scared. (Although come to think of it, probably similar to the way her toddler felt during the Great Raisin Incident). And she's probably alone. Somehow I cannot see Ken as the devoted spouse determined to stay by his wife's side throughout her ordeal. He'll talk about all his great sacrifices (giving up home cooked meals, sex, etc.) while stuffing his face with all those unhealthy foods he really wants. He'll bitch and moan about his lack of sex while pounding them out to porn (which isn't sinful, people, really, it's not and anyway it's not nearly as sinful as a woman being mad about porn). He'll kick back with his feet on the furniture while watching crappy TV. Occasionally he'll drop by the hospital with little packs of M&Ms for the nursing staff, but he won't spend much time with Lori. After all, this is like a holiday!

I'm most likely going in the bitch corner for this, too, but he's just not a nice person. And as much as I dislike Lori, I don't believe she deserves to be stuck in ICU in pain and sick with such a lowlife as Ken as her only emotional support.

[usmcmom]

Count me among the doubters about Ken's presence at the hospital. It really is positive thing for the staff if he doesn't show up. Perhaps Lori is relieved he's not there. Do her parents live nearby? They are probably they only ones that can comfort her the way she prefers, anyway.

About that old potato drama; I can't remember details but I think she merely wanted a cooked potato and it turned into a comedy of errors with various family members NOT GETTING HER A POTATO!! Is that anywhere near accurate? Anyway, when I'm sick I often want a potato to eat so my husband does something really crazy. He drives to the nearest fast food drive-through (Wendy's and Arby's has them in our area) and orders a plain baked potato - sometimes two. Of course there's no guarantee it is an ORGANIC potato but it certainly is a good potato. But we are just evil, lazy equal partners in this marriage so I doubt they'd want to take that suggestion.

Does anyone else find it funny that we evil FJ members are once again giving more sympathy and support to a wife than her hateful fundie husband?!? Remember how Cabinet Man ranked his wife a "6" and then posted a photo and we were all like "Wait....WHAT?!? :o :o :o "

[apandaaries]

I feel for her. I can't help it. She probably feels horrible and powerless and scared. (Although come to think of it, probably similar to the way her toddler felt during the Great Raisin Incident). And she's probably alone. Somehow I cannot see Ken as the devoted spouse determined to stay by his wife's side throughout her ordeal. He'll talk about all his great sacrifices (giving up home cooked meals, sex, etc.) while stuffing his face with all those unhealthy foods he really wants. He'll bitch and moan about his lack of sex while pounding them out to porn (which isn't sinful, people, really, it's not and anyway it's not nearly as sinful as a woman being mad about porn). He'll kick back with his feet on the furniture while watching crappy TV. Occasionally he'll drop by the hospital with little packs of M&Ms for the nursing staff, but he won't spend much time with Lori. After all, this is like a holiday!

I'm most likely going in the bitch corner for this, too, but he's just not a nice person. And as much as I dislike Lori, I don't believe she deserves to be stuck in ICU in pain and sick with such a lowlife as Ken as her only emotional support.

I'm torn on this. As a general rule, I dislike suffering -- in people, animals, plants, planets, whatever.

But as Lori so recently said, pain can be a teacher. Maybe it's because I've been suffering from migraines on a regular basis for the last, oh, two decades or so, and I still hate them, but they do force me to really evaluate my life and choices and everything else. I'd still prefer to not have the migraines, but I can see that they provide a strange benefit to me.

Lori is clearly always thinking about their disciplinary techniques and ruminating on their choices in life. Somewhere inside, and also in the comment section, are voices forcing her to continually reconsider her positions. Perhaps in her pain, she can make a connection between her own pain and how she treated her children's pain. Perhaps she can consider how she raised them and the marriage she modeled for them. Perhaps she can consider what a truly loving marriage is like. Perhaps she'll see a truly devoted husband working to help and support his wife, and wonder WTH is wrong with Ken.

I don't have much (any?) love for Lori, but I do believe that people can choose to change. It's highly unlikely that change will occur, but if it's possible, this could be the catalyst.

[luv2laugh]

I don't believe that anyone, no matter how mean they are, deserves to suffer in physical pain or ill health. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[polecat]

Count me among the doubters about Ken's presence at the hospital. It really is positive thing for the staff if he doesn't show up. Perhaps Lori is relieved he's not there. Do her parents live nearby? They are probably they only ones that can comfort her the way she prefers, anyway.

About that old potato drama; I can't remember details but I think she merely wanted a cooked potato and it turned into a comedy of errors with various family members NOT GETTING HER A POTATO!! Is that anywhere near accurate? Anyway, when I'm sick I often want a potato to eat so my husband does something really crazy. He drives to the nearest fast food drive-through (Wendy's and Arby's has them in our area) and orders a plain baked potato - sometimes two. Of course there's no guarantee it is an ORGANIC potato but it certainly is a good potato. But we are just evil, lazy equal partners in this marriage so I doubt they'd want to take that suggestion.

Does anyone else find it funny that we evil FJ members are once again giving more sympathy and support to a wife than her hateful fundie husband?!? Remember how Cabinet Man ranked his wife a "6" and then posted a photo and we were all like "Wait....WHAT?!? :o :o :o "

What is it about potatoes? When I'm sick or am getting over a migraine, a plain white potato (not sweet even though I LOVE sweet potatoes) or french fries is the only thing I can stomach eating. And because my husband is especially awesome (or understands that chronic pain is an evil unlike any other), he goes and gets me whatever I want as long as it's humanly possible. It's so kind of him. I empathized with her over the stupid potato, but I couldn't really sympathize -- iirc, she didn't even tell anyone she wanted a potato but was irritated with all of them for not getting her one. I just don't get it.