Don't Blame The Duggars-Kelly C.

[Kira]

Blame Satan! Michelle and Jim Bob are just following the Bible.

A parent who is trying to help his child stay pure and avoid sexual immorality is not setting him up for failure. He is obeying God’s Word.  I don’t find in the Bible, anywhere, a spirit of, “Don’t be too freaked out about sin because if you start getting crazy and treating it like you hate it or something, your kids won’t turn out right.†But that’s essentially a lot of what I’m hearing. The Bible actually says, “Avoid temptationsâ€, “Do not love the world or anything in itâ€, “Flee from the appearance of evil.â€

Satan is roaming the earth, seeking whom he may devour. That includes us and our children. We are duty-bound to be faithful, to love the Lord, to teach our children, especially by example, how to walk in truth and to hate sin because God hates sin. We must be transparent with our own sins, always reminding our children of their desperate need of a Savior. We need to beg the Father for grace over the lives of our children and pray fervently for them–for their salvation and for their sanctification. And then, we entrust it all to the Lord. And we don’t blame ourselves (or other parents) for the sins of our children.

generationcedar.com/main/2015/08/are-the-duggars-to-blame-how-then-should-we-parent.html

[DomWackTroll]

Yes, and what was even more interesting to me was what she posted three days later:

“I am going through a growing time, to put it mildly, where the Lord has used several circumstances in my life to bring me to the end of myself, which, though it feels like an awful place to be (especially for a control freak), it’s actually the ONLY safe place to be. The only place where Christ can reign paramount. The only place where His power has freedom to rule… Can I encourage you, that when you feel hopeless, that might be the beginning of real Hope.â€

generationcedar.com/main/2015/08/reflecting-the-glory-of-god-as-a-woman-renew-your-mind-20-minutes-a-day.html

Hopeless, huh?

[FundieWatcher]

I would guess one of the kids made a break for it, but they just started some pillow making business. :think: This one is a puzzler. Could it have something to do with AM?

Edit: check the debate under "Norman Patterson Jr." in the RC Sproul Facebook post from today.

[DomWackTroll]

I would guess one of the kids made a break for it, but they just started some pillow making business. :think: This one is a puzzler. Could it have something to do with AM?

Edit: check the debate under "Norman Patterson Jr." in the RC Sproul Facebook post from today.

You might be on to something. Kelly re-posted this old post from 2010, titled “A Letter to My Children About Marriage,†on her Facebook page today:

“If you find yourself ‘not happy’, having lost attraction, disinterested, etc., don’t even let yourself think about divorce.â€

facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205997647355192&set=a.1191573864431.30167.1080903448&type=1&theater

ETA: Why am I not seeing the "Norman Patterson Jr." debate under RC Jr.'s post? Has it been removed? If it has, can you tell us what was said?

[Marian the Librarian]

Here you go, DWT (up to date as of 10pm PDT):

Norman Patterson Jr. Maybe I am missing something and need to understand more, but isn't there a difference between temptation and sin? To be tempted as you were is far different than putting in your full information and then meeting someone where you then actually engaged in breaking God's law with another person. Isn't sin breaking God's Law? It seems to me this was a moment of temptation and should be regarded and treated as such rather than being treated as if you carried out the actual sin.

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Matthew Bedford Regardless of however brief his actions were, they still constituted action in pursuit of something wrong. Temptation is having the thought. Sin is when that thought is entertained or acted upon.

Brief? Yes. Still sin? Yes.

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Kelly Liverett Crawford I agree with Norman, RC. (James 1:14) Temptation is being "lured and enticed by his own desire." And sin is "after desire has conceived." You were lured by desire, but your desire did not conceive and bring forth sin. Thank you for your honesty and humility.

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Norman Patterson Jr. And if sin is the transgression of God's law 1 John 3:4, what law was transgressed?

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Karl Heitman I have no argument, but obviously all of the details are unknown to us. I trust that the leadership of Ligonier made the wisest decision with the facts they had.

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JocelynandBrandon Acuff It's not only transgressing Gods law but failing to conform to it as well! So anything but obedience by definition is sin.

This is sin because lust was not only present but fed when RC looked for, clicked on, and perused the site.

To state that we are only sinning when we *act, makes lust of the flesh, hatred and others sins in scripture moot. This is not biblical.

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Kelly Liverett Crawford So every wrong thought is sin? To me, simply visiting the website (which would put someone still in the thinking stage--I don't know if there is pornography there or not) is being "lured and enticed by desire." But without action upon the desire, I can not see, according to James 1:14, that it can be called sin.

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JocelynandBrandon Acuff Yes- thinking sinful thoughts is a sin.

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JocelynandBrandon Acuff Kelly- I genuinely do not see how you are drawing a line. Jesus certainly did not regarding thoughts such as hate, lust, jealousy- all thoughts that might never be acted upon but are also counted as sin.

I believe that there was likely a time when he was first tempted, but that gave way to the sin of lust, which then broke forth with searching an adulterous site, etc.

I am by no means condemning my brother. I am heartbroken and also full of praise bc RC is a wonderful encouragement to many men who fall and continue therein. RC by all accounts did not. Praise God!

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Kelly Liverett Crawford I'm not arguing--please know that. I'm trying to work out a theological quandary for my own mind. Isn't adultery lust of the heart? And though only RC can answer, that he never connected with an actual person makes it hard to believe lust was involved. There is a difference in lust and curiosity. That's where my questioning comes in.

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JocelynandBrandon Acuff I think his own father would disagree as this being the reason for him stepping down for a season.

I understand the temptation and even curiosity but in this case it didn't stop there. He went on to look things up online to feed these 'sexual' curiosities. It's an adulteress website- not sure what innocent curiosities could ever surround it.

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She Matters It's too early in The Game to get the full confession. Notice a pattern among these types? This is how they all operate.

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Tarrah'Jimmy Zimmerman I'm sorry to let you all in on the obvious but the only way he could have found this site was most likely looking at porn websites.

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[KnittingOwl]

Reading these responses makes it sound like no one can make their own decision once Satan sinks his claws into you. Do Fundies even believe in free will?

[DomWackTroll]

Reading these responses makes it sound like no one can make their own decision once Satan sinks his claws into you. Do Fundies even believe in free will?

Not if they're Reformed Calvinists, like RC Jr. and Kelly. It's all "predestined"-- how convenient!

[FundieWatcher]

Looks like her blog is down now. The mystery continues...

[DomWackTroll]

Whoa. I think something is really going on here. Do you think we should add something to the title of this thread to reflect that? Kira, what do you think?

[hoipolloi]

Whoa. I think something is really going on here. Do you think we should add something to the title of this thread to reflect that? Kira, what do you think?

Yeah, something is: site's up with the sidebar ads & social media buttons but the content is gone: generationcedar.com/main/

Maybe she's busy doing some scrubbing updating.

[refugee]

Oh, my, you're right. The blog is there, but it's empty, as if all the posts have been hidden or deleted.

Is it easy to do that (a mass "hide posts") or do you have to mark each post individually?

[Kira]

Whoa. I think something is really going on here. Do you think we should add something to the title of this thread to reflect that? Kira, what do you think?

Yeah, I think we should change or add something to the title of the thread.

I didn't expect her to erase the entire blog. This is interesting :think:

[blessalessi]

Ooh, I'm intrigued!

Kelly C and Stacey Flouncyfrock both melt into one for me, usually. Their original responses were both quite samey from the "Satan made me do it" standpoint.

Our Kells now seems to have had some disturbing data dumped on her though... maybe?

[DomWackTroll]

Okay, I'm changing the title.

ETA: Well, I thought I changed it. Do I have to be the OP to change it? I've never done it before.

[Hisey]

Okay, I'm changing the title.

ETA: Well, I thought I changed it. Do I have to be the OP to change it? I've never done it before.

I started two Kelly threads recently, one about her husband's retinitis pigmatosa and one about the possibility she might be pregnant.

Could either of these things be a cause? I hope her husband's vision is not worse.

[teachergirl]

COMPLETE idle speculation....perhaps Aaron was using Ashley Madison??? Perhaps Bria and Kyle are having troubles.....they got married very fast and very young....kelly alluded to bria having adjustment issues to being married and living in apt/away from siblings/..... Very strange to take it all down now......

[DomWackTroll]

Now her blog appears to be completely GONE.

And don't judge, but I went through the whole goddamn Ashley Madison Alabama list and Aaron ain't there. (There are some Crawfords, but no "Aaron.") It was almost worth it to giggle at all the "Hoars" and "Sizemores." (But not quite)

ETA: I should have specified that Aaron's name isn't there. Of course, he could have used an email address that Kelly knows and that I, obviously, do not.

[hoipolloi]

Okay, I'm changing the title.

ETA: Well, I thought I changed it. Do I have to be the OP to change it? I've never done it before.

I may be able to eat a can of spinach & exercise modly powers to change it -- what wording do people want?

ETA: I'm getting a "down for maintenance" message for her website. Maybe it really is down for maintenance...

[acheronbeach]

Wow.... the preachiest one of all can't be gone, can she?

[hoipolloi]

It's back up (generationcedar.com/main/) but sharper eyes and memories than mine will have to determine if anything's been purged changed.

[DomWackTroll]

Well, I guess we don't have to change the thread title, but I'm going to be watching her like a hawk.