Duggar Aviation Part 2

[Iamthe20thDuggarKid]

Landed or landing very soon. The Cirrus (Cessna, too) only has four seats, and one of those is for the pilot, so they could conceivably fit the Dillards plus Joy Anna with Israel on somebody's lap, but there's no room for Carlin.

Is there a baggage area? :D

[QuestioningQuivers]

Carlin has been home for about a week, according to someone's Instagram. I can't remember which Bates sibling it was.

Oh yeah, you are right! She was on the ferris wheel with Erin.

[Imagine20]

Here is the air service that you were referring to:

ministryaviation.org/

Is this free for missionaries that don't have an emergency? Are they going to go fly the Dillards to and from the US every other week or so? (It seems as though that's what they've been doing.) That seems expensive and frivolous, even with donations from their supporters.

[PregnantPornStar]

Is this free for missionaries that don't have an emergency? Are they going to go fly the Dillards to and from the US every other week or so? (It seems as though that's what they've been doing.) That seems expensive and frivolous, even with donations from their supporters.

I was just thinking this. Weren't they just in the States? Why even bother going back for a few days? Aren't the supposed to be learning Spanish?

[What the fux say]

Good lord, I am fuckin' DYING to hear the Dillards speak Espanol. Like, it's embarrassing how into this I am.

[countressrascal]

Is this free for missionaries that don't have an emergency? Are they going to go fly the Dillards to and from the US every other week or so? (It seems as though that's what they've been doing.) That seems expensive and frivolous, even with donations from their supporters.

I talked to my friend again about flying missionaries home just to attend a wedding-he explained to me how the service works. They get people to donate planes, flying time, fuel and all the other stuff, that are coming back empty (dead heading) to bring back missionaries, sick children, etc. Also it works the other way around. If they bring someone back who does not meet the guidelines then they have to pay for the fuel and nothing else.I asked him for a calculation on the cost he had no idea, comment "I just fly the thing and make sure there is fuel in it, I don't pay for it". I am wondering if they used Derrick Mother's cancer for a reason? He will fly for them if they pay all his expenses, he refers to them as "Flying for Jesus". He also did some flight checking for me-yesterday they had three flights coming in one from San Luis Potosi Mexico, Jultiapa Guatemala and the other from San Miguel El Salvador the last one had issues with the government and was three hr late taking off and did not arrive until about 8pm, so that would be the reason for the overnight stay. He is checking into next week flights so we will know if they are going to use the service again and when they are leaving. It is nice to have people in the know. More to come.

[st4rfl33t]

The FJ Air Traffic Control team is pretty awesome!

Yeah whodathunk that a Duggar getting his pilot license would open up such a big door in their lives for us to snoop through...

They have esssentially enabled us to be the Duggarland Perverts that we all are...deep down. xD

GO TEAM! :cracking-up:

[Imagine20]

I talked to my friend again about flying missionaries home just to attend a wedding-he explained to me how the service works. They get people to donate planes, flying time, fuel and all the other stuff, that are coming back empty (dead heading) to bring back missionaries, sick children, etc. Also it works the other way around. If they bring someone back who does not meet the guidelines then they have to pay for the fuel and nothing else.I asked him for a calculation on the cost he had no idea, comment "I just fly the thing and make sure there is fuel in it, I don't pay for it". I am wondering if they used Derrick Mother's cancer for a reason? He will fly for them if they pay all his expenses, he refers to them as "Flying for Jesus". He also did some flight checking for me-yesterday they had three flights coming in one from San Luis Potosi Mexico, Jultiapa Guatemala and the other from San Miguel El Salvador the last one had issues with the government and was three hr late taking off and did not arrive until about 8pm, so that would be the reason for the overnight stay. He is checking into next week flights so we will know if they are going to use the service again and when they are leaving. It is nice to have people in the know. More to come.

Interesting, thank you for that info! If you don't mind asking, how much would the fuel average for such a flight? (I know the type of aircraft makes a difference, so maybe that question can't really be answered.)

[grandmadugger]

Interesting, thank you for that info! If you don't mind asking, how much would the fuel average for such a flight? (I know the type of aircraft makes a difference, so maybe that question can't really be answered.)

Someone posted upthread that the cost of fuel averages out to about $4 a gallon. If I read the numbers right the cirrus uses 10 gallons per hour.

[TalarSvenska]

New to this board, so I hope I'm in the right place. It may not tell us much, but I think I may have solved the mysterious "planned but not completed" Duggar 8/24 night flight to San Antonio, which I believe was just the start of the actual early morning August 25th flight that allegedly delivered Josh to Rockford. Seems to me the plane took off from Springdale, claiming San Antonio as a destination, but NEVER even headed one mile in that direction. In fact, the plane looked like it planned on going to Rockford right from the start. Compare these recs from FlightAware: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N68S ... /KASG/KSAT http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N68S ... /KASG/KRFD

Look at the two flight path map screens side by side and compare the dotted lines (the flight plans suggested by the controllers, based on the plans the pilot filed) with the straight lines (the paths the plane really took). You'll see the controllers plotted a southwest course to get the plane from Springdale to San Antonio - and, though the Duggar plane took off from Springdale, it immediately went in the exact opposite direction of Texas, going NE instead of SW. It took the controllers awhile to catch up with this, but somewhere over Missouri, FlightAware picks up the plane's actual path still going NE toward Illinois. At this point you'll see a solid line tracking the plane NE and a dotted flight control line next to it sending the plane where it's obviously going (even though that's not the way to Texas!) -- BUT THEN, EVEN AFTER THE DUGGAR PLANE STOPS IN ROCKFORD, flight control keeps determinedly plotting the plane's path back to San Antonio! This strikes me as both cute and ridiculous. If your pilot thinks Illinois is the way to Texas, you'd better stop plotting and call the FAA. Of course, the plane never went to Texas (and I don't think it planned to); this is reflected both by the italicized San Antonio arrival time (meaning it hasn't happened yet) and by the "track log & graph" data you can get to by clicking on that term located right of the blue "Status" box.

And surprise! Suddenly there's a "new" separate flight plan filed from Springdale to Rockford, IL (can they file this stuff mid-air??). But even that looks strange - because there's NO solid line showing the plane actually flew out of Springdale. In fact, there's no solid line until the plane gets to western Illinois - exactly where the solid line fr the San Antonio flight left off. And that new solid line leads straight to Rockford.

What does it all mean? It seems like a pretty weak attempt at subterfuge to file a false flight plan and then go rogue once you're airborne, especially since air traffic will clearly know - and show - where you landed (and didn't land) that night. I have no knowledge re how flight plans get filed (or changed)? Can you do that en route? Maybe John David got confused. Or maybe Jim Bob changed his mind. But it sure seems like they went to a lot of trouble to make people think they were going to Texas instead of Rockford.

[church_of_dog]

Yeah whodathunk that a Duggar getting his pilot license would open up such a big door in their lives for us to snoop through...

They have esssentially enabled us to be the Duggarland Perverts that we all are...deep down. xD

GO TEAM! :cracking-up:

:confusion-confused:

[Queen Of Hearts]

New to this board, so I hope I'm in the right place. It may not tell us much, but I think I may have solved the mysterious "planned but not completed" Duggar 8/24 night flight to San Antonio, which I believe was just the start of the actual early morning August 25th flight that allegedly delivered Josh to Rockford. Seems to me the plane took off from Springdale, claiming San Antonio as a destination, but NEVER even headed one mile in that direction. In fact, the plane looked like it planned on going to Rockford right from the start. Compare these recs from FlightAware: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N68S ... /KASG/KSAT http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N68S ... /KASG/KRFD

Look at the two flight path map screens side by side and compare the dotted lines (the flight plans suggested by the controllers, based on the plans the pilot filed) with the straight lines (the paths the plane really took). You'll see the controllers plotted a southwest course to get the plane from Springdale to San Antonio - and, though the Duggar plane took off from Springdale, it immediately went in the exact opposite direction of Texas, going NE instead of SW. It took the controllers awhile to catch up with this, but somewhere over Missouri, FlightAware picks up the plane's actual path still going NE toward Illinois. At this point you'll see a solid line tracking the plane NE and a dotted flight control line next to it sending the plane where it's obviously going (even though that's not the way to Texas!) -- BUT THEN, EVEN AFTER THE DUGGAR PLANE STOPS IN ROCKFORD, flight control keeps determinedly plotting the plane's path back to San Antonio! This strikes me as both cute and ridiculous. If your pilot thinks Illinois is the way to Texas, you'd better stop plotting and call the FAA. Of course, the plane never went to Texas (and I don't think it planned to); this is reflected both by the italicized San Antonio arrival time (meaning it hasn't happened yet) and by the "track log & graph" data you can get to by clicking on that term located right of the blue "Status" box.

And surprise! Suddenly there's a "new" separate flight plan filed from Springdale to Rockford, IL (can they file this stuff mid-air??). But even that looks strange - because there's NO solid line showing the plane actually flew out of Springdale. In fact, there's no solid line until the plane gets to western Illinois - exactly where the solid line fr the San Antonio flight left off. And that new solid line leads straight to Rockford.

What does it all mean? It seems like a pretty weak attempt at subterfuge to file a false flight plan and then go rogue once you're airborne, especially since air traffic will clearly know - and show - where you landed (and didn't land) that night. I have no knowledge re how flight plans get filed (or changed)? Can you do that en route? Maybe John David got confused. Or maybe Jim Bob changed his mind. But it sure seems like they went to a lot of trouble to make people think they were going to Texas instead of Rockford.

1.) Does anyone really think any of the Duggar's are smart enough to pull that off? :lol:

2.) I don't know what the rules are, per se, but I would think after 9-11 it would be a real bad idea to deviate from your flight plan. Couldn't that cause some kind of suspicion/security concern that could get the pilot in real trouble?

[halcionne]

1.) Does anyone really think any of the Duggar's are smart enough to pull that off? :lol:

2.) I don't know what the rules are, per se, but I would think after 9-11 it would be a real bad idea to deviate from your flight plan. Couldn't that cause some kind of suspicion/security concern that could get the pilot in real trouble?

Our anonymous contributor says flight plans can and do change all the time, due to weather, change in orders from above, etc. Sometimes air traffic control will ask for an explanation, but pilots aren't under oath or anything. Anon also says we don't know if the Duggars are truly filing a flight plan or if they're just getting flight following (I believe anon has made this distinction before, but it's something I don't fully understand and may not have conveyed properly to the thread). Listening to flight tapes is one way to know for sure what happened (ATC can be heard live from some airports, but not on any recent Duggar flights). http://www.liveatc.net/

Thanks for the new resource, anon. I don't know how to use it, and I'm not inclined to learn right now, but maybe someone else is.

[gustava]

New to this board, so I hope I'm in the right place. It may not tell us much, but I think I may have solved the mysterious "planned but not completed" Duggar 8/24 night flight to San Antonio, which I believe was just the start of the actual early morning August 25th flight that allegedly delivered Josh to Rockford. Seems to me the plane took off from Springdale, claiming San Antonio as a destination, but NEVER even headed one mile in that direction. In fact, the plane looked like it planned on going to Rockford right from the start. Compare these recs from FlightAware: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N68S ... /KASG/KSAT http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N68S ... /KASG/KRFD

Look at the two flight path map screens side by side and compare the dotted lines (the flight plans suggested by the controllers, based on the plans the pilot filed) with the straight lines (the paths the plane really took). You'll see the controllers plotted a southwest course to get the plane from Springdale to San Antonio - and, though the Duggar plane took off from Springdale, it immediately went in the exact opposite direction of Texas, going NE instead of SW. It took the controllers awhile to catch up with this, but somewhere over Missouri, FlightAware picks up the plane's actual path still going NE toward Illinois. At this point you'll see a solid line tracking the plane NE and a dotted flight control line next to it sending the plane where it's obviously going (even though that's not the way to Texas!) -- BUT THEN, EVEN AFTER THE DUGGAR PLANE STOPS IN ROCKFORD, flight control keeps determinedly plotting the plane's path back to San Antonio! This strikes me as both cute and ridiculous. If your pilot thinks Illinois is the way to Texas, you'd better stop plotting and call the FAA. Of course, the plane never went to Texas (and I don't think it planned to); this is reflected both by the italicized San Antonio arrival time (meaning it hasn't happened yet) and by the "track log & graph" data you can get to by clicking on that term located right of the blue "Status" box.

And surprise! Suddenly there's a "new" separate flight plan filed from Springdale to Rockford, IL (can they file this stuff mid-air??). But even that looks strange - because there's NO solid line showing the plane actually flew out of Springdale. In fact, there's no solid line until the plane gets to western Illinois - exactly where the solid line fr the San Antonio flight left off. And that new solid line leads straight to Rockford.

What does it all mean? It seems like a pretty weak attempt at subterfuge to file a false flight plan and then go rogue once you're airborne, especially since air traffic will clearly know - and show - where you landed (and didn't land) that night. I have no knowledge re how flight plans get filed (or changed)? Can you do that en route? Maybe John David got confused. Or maybe Jim Bob changed his mind. But it sure seems like they went to a lot of trouble to make people think they were going to Texas instead of Rockford.

Interesting First Post!

[quiversR4hunting]

Our anonymous contributor says flight plans can and do change all the time, due to weather, change in orders from above, etc. Sometimes air traffic control will ask for an explanation, but pilots aren't under oath or anything. Anon also says we don't know if the Duggars are truly filing a flight plan or if they're just getting flight following (I believe anon has made this distinction before, but it's something I don't fully understand and may not have conveyed properly to the thread). Listening to flight tapes is one way to know for sure what happened (ATC can be heard live from some airports, but not on any recent Duggar flights). http://www.liveatc.net/

Thanks for the new resource, anon. I don't know how to use it, and I'm not inclined to learn right now, but maybe someone else is.

OT/

My office building is near the flight path for landing at the local airport (about 5 miles away) and sometimes I pick up the pilot talk thru my FM radio! First time it happened it freaked me out.

[sophrosyne]

Since we now have confirmation that the Dillards are indeed back in Arkansas for Famy's wedding (pictures on the Duggar FB page and elsewhere), I think it likely that they came in on the ministry flight, landing in Amarillo, and were transported back to Springdale on yesterday's Cirrus flight. FJers get it right again. Well done, FJ aviation specialists!!

(It'll be interesting to see if People, US, and the other tabloids include 'report' of the Dillards landing in Amarillo when they do the inevitable picture post of Jana playing with Izzy, et al.)

[st4rfl33t]

Yes I just got the update from Derick's IG that he is/was at a football game in OK.

[HereticHick]

One of the Seven Farmgirl Sisters, Jessica, is taking flying lessons, flowered frumper and all: sevenfarmgirlsisters.com

I can't imagine one of the J'Slaves being allowed to learn to fly (unlike JD and Josiah), can you?

[clueliss]

One of the Seven Farmgirl Sisters, Jessica, is taking flying lessons, flowered frumper and all: sevenfarmgirlsisters.com

I can't imagine one of the J'Slaves being allowed to learn to fly (unlike JD and Josiah), can you?

Jana - but only if JD is the instructor and another sister is willing to present (so no).

[TheJewAmongUs]

One of the Seven Farmgirl Sisters, Jessica, is taking flying lessons, flowered frumper and all: sevenfarmgirlsisters.com

I can't imagine one of the J'Slaves being allowed to learn to fly (unlike JD and Josiah), can you?

Well, the Seven Sisters post about videos they've found on YouTube and talk about movies they liked before their parents went full fundie, so they're already more worldly. But also, with five adult daughters, the oldest will be 30 next year, they really can't wait for the boys to grow up before they start letting the girls figure out what they're going to do out in the world. The father is probably starting to see himself at 70 years old supporting his seven old maid daughters (who know how to cook, sew, play musical instruments and care for a few goats and chickens) and wondering what to do with his emasculated sons who want to dress up their farm animals and model home sewn in novelty fabrics.

And I actually think that Jim Bob would have allowed Jana to take flying lessons with John David if she wasn't already doing the doula thing as Jill's accountability partner. He doesn't seem to have a problem with her going out and doing non-fundie things so long as her twin is there to be a watchdog. Now, do I think he'd let her fly a plane solo? No. But I could see a situation where they needed to get more than 4 people somewhere and she'd get to fly the other plane and meet John David at the destination.

[Exposedknees]

Does the Jana/John David dynamic have the same safeguards as other boy/girl interaction since they're twins? I thought that they were volunteer fire/EMT training at one point in the past with just the two of them.

That is if we really believe that there were "safe guards" anyway...

...runs to riffle thru youtubes

[clueliss]

Jill and Jana were volunteer whatevers at the same time as JD. Sort of like Jana was studying Doula stuff while Jill was studying Midwifery. Hence, my mention of a sister-buddy.

[sophrosyne]

The Cessna is scheduled to fly from Nashville to Anniston, Alabama this afternoon--scheduled departure is minutes away. All I know about Anniston is that it's near Tallageda Speedway and Fort McClellan.

I'm thinking the Duggars sold the Cessna. It's been on the ground in Nashville for more than a week, while all Duggars (except Josh) were present and accounted for in Arkansas. The Cirrus hasn't flown since last week, so it didn't travel to Nashville to drop off a Duggar pilot for today's flight. I'd thought the Cessna might have been in Nashville for maintenance, but its flight today doesn't fit that picture. Only other possibility I can think of is that the Duggars rent out the Cessna?

[Exposedknees]

Jill and Jana were volunteer whatevers at the same time as JD. Sort of like Jana was studying Doula stuff while Jill was studying Midwifery. Hence, my mention of a sister-buddy.

Wow, so there could be twin on twin defrauding?!? :ew:

[djmd]

. Only other possibility I can think of is that the Duggars rent out the Cessna?

Probably the case. The Cessna definitely spends a lot more time wheels down than wheels up.