Duggar Pastor on Scandal

[lookinggoodforjesus]

I don't understand why anyone is saying that Josh is a suicide risk. Has anyone forgotten about Anna here. Let's not forget that she has a month-old baby and is likely dealing with that post-partum moody misery. Plus all of the things that she's been dragged through in the past few months. I wouldn't be surprised if she feels utterly hopeless. If I was a praying person, I would pray for her :(

[lizbeth]

It's not surprising at all, but I just can't comprehend why these people seem to literally have a mission to oppress, demonize, and punish women in every way possible. Why. How.

[Toothfairy]

But aren't men leaders? Why can they control themselves

[MiddleAgedLady]

The full sermon Has been posted online. You can get the audio or Video.

http://crosschurch.com/mobile/sermons/

[Teacup]

They are supposed to breed as many babies as possible. I'm thinking there would be no blow jobs, no hand jobs, no masturbation, etc etc, just normal PIV sex, and no semen spilt anywhere!

Poor Anna is probably stuffed after so many babies in so few years. She probably feels frumpy and saggy, not to mention leaky. And she has to say yes to sex whenever he wants it? The poor thing was probably starfishing it and now she is in trouble for not being a good enough wife!

At least now I have some idea as to what was going through Josh's head. The wife god gave me is not being a good help meet! God will forgive me if I give in to my basic instincts! Its not my fault!

[Teacup]

Should add I was good friends with a quiverfull style catholic. He told me masturbation was a no no. I'm going to assume the same applies to the duggars. Also, what is more sinful? Spilling one's seed on the ground or leaving it in a prostitute?

Every sperm is precious....

[southernfriedwriter]

Someone wrote, "They don't believe in karma."

Ah, but they do! Galatians 6:7 --Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

Cause and effect. That is karma.

[Alicja]

But aren't men leaders? Why can they control themselves

right? wouldn't the headship have to display admirable qualities such as integrity, honesty, and loyalty to show his wife and children why he's so great and in charge? if men can't show any self-control when they see a woman's shoulder, why the hell would they be trusted to be in charge of their families? or our governments?

the logic, it boggles the mind.

[FundieFarmer]

I think it's safe to say that despite his name being dragged through the mud again, Josh is getting off a lot easier than other men. His family is essentially just giving him a "we're disappointed in you...again" speech, but he most likely won't lose his wife or children, get fired, face divorce court, or any of the other major issues that a lot of exposed men are now dealing with. A few serious talks with his parents and wife are nothing comparatively. With the exception of his parents' disappointed preamble to Josh's apology, his family appears to be standing beside him. Ceteris paribus, everything will go back to normal with this incident being just another blip in the radar.

[HereticHick]

The full sermon Has been posted online. You can get the audio or Video.

http://crosschurch.com/mobile/sermons/

I think it is important to remember that this pastor, Dr. Ronnie Floyd of Cross Church, is not just "pastor of the church Jill & Derrick went to"--he's the freaking current President of the Southern Baptist Convention: http://crosschurch.com/dr-ronnie-floyd/

the largest Protestant Denomination in the United States.

[HereticHick]

I think it's safe to say that despite his name being dragged through the mud again, Josh is getting off a lot easier than other men. His family is essentially just giving him a "we're disappointed in you...again" speech, but he most likely won't lose his wife or children, get fired, face divorce court, or any of the other major issues that a lot of exposed men are now dealing with. A few serious talks with his parents and wife are nothing comparatively. With the exception of his parents' disappointed preamble to Josh's apology, his family appears to be standing beside him. Ceteris paribus, everything will go back to normal with this incident being just another blip in the radar.

Josh can't be fired because he is unemployed-- he was fired after Josh Scandal #1. [if you believe that his "resigning" from FRC was anything but voluntary, I have a bridge to sell you].

Also, he's been booted from the Ecclesia College Board of Regents.

I think it is too early to say how "easy" Josh is going to get off. As this point, he's extremely unemployable-and no politician is every going to want to be photographed with him.

[rodgerdodger]

So, what do the Duggars (and other ATI members) think about the 80 day rule then? If Josh, right now, wanted to have sex with Anna, would she have to submit or does the 80 day rule trump Josh's headship?

[BlackSheep]

If Anna were the unfaithful spouse, would the same sermon be preached?

I was wondering the same thing.

Surely it would be considered the woman's fault.

Are there any known examples of this in the fundie world?

[NotALoserLikeYou]

Out of curiosity, do the Duggars attend services at that church? I know the parents and Jill were married there but didn't they have services on their own property for a time?

Also my thoughts on the Pastor's lecture: The Church is not in their bedroom. The assumption is that Anna was not submitting to her husbands every desire, but what if she was? There was an episode (I think they were visiting Priscilla) where they found out they were not pregnant and in the TH Anna seemed to be asking/begging Josh to try more/harder for another baby and he seemed disinterested. My theory is that he was neglecting her to have his affairs. I know they would never admit to that. Poor Anna and the other women in that culture that are emotionally trapped. Thanks for letting my throw my two cents in.

Jessa, Jill, and spouses do. The main Duggars don't attend there.

I think it was really tactless of the pastor to mention Ashley Madison in his sermon. He should have kept it in general terms. To actually say what he did, about a husband cheating because the wife isn't taking care of him...wow. And I still am BAFFLED as to why Jill and Derrick would link to it! It's awful.

[JenniferJuniper]

I think it was really tactless of the pastor to mention Ashley Madison in his sermon. He should have kept it in general terms. To actually say what he did, about a husband cheating because the wife isn't taking care of him...wow. And I still am BAFFLED as to why Jill and Derrick would link to it! It's awful.

I'm not too baffled. Jill excused away his child sexual abuse, not only of her, but of her two little sisters who were aggressively assaulted. The pastor was putting blame on spouses of cheaters. Ergo, Jill and Derick happily link to his sermon.

[BlackSheep]

But aren't men leaders? Why can they control themselves

Yep, amazing isn't it? The man is the headship. The spiritual leader. The final word in everything. The one that the family looks to in all things.

But he is incapable of controlling his lust. If he sees a kneecap or a bare shoulder... if he goes online by himself... if his wife doesn't put out whenever he wants it or otherwise falls short sexually (in his opinion)... then he is not responsible for his lust and his actions.

Women must cover themselves. Women must police a man's online activities. Women must put out whenever the man wants, and must put out well and happily.

The women do all of the work and take all of the blame.

[Marissap]

OK, playing Devil's advocate here, but typically sermons are planned weeks in advance. And isn't the sermon that was done on Sunday part of a series on marriage intimacy?

It is entirely likely that the topic of sermon is just coincidental with the recent event.

As far as Jill and Derrick posting that link, Well, it is possible that they were throwing shade at Anna, or at the very least being very insensitive. Or it could also be possible that they just didn't think it through or consider that it could be viewed as a commentary for Anna.

Also, it is possible that in their screwed up viewpoint, they don't see it the same way we do. They don't see it as blaming Anna. I didn't read through the whole thing, but maybe they are interpreting it to mean that man or woman, husband or wife, you need to find your sexual satisfaction from one another and one way to do that is to be sexually available to your partner. This doesn't necessarily mean that Jill personally believes that Anna is at fault. I doubt Jill is really smart enough to get that subtlety. I just think, that like all Duggars, they have sex on the brain all the time, and feel it is their mission to promote one man/one woman happy marital sexual bliss.

I really don't know if Jill has it in her to cast shade like this. I think they were asked by their church to post a big thing on social media about Sex knowing that it would up their attendance and viewership. Just like all of their other product placement over the years.

I highly doubt it. He referenced "Ashley Madison". I'm sure he wouldn't have brought that up on his own otherwise. Way too coincidental for me to buy!

[BlackSheep]

Someone wrote, "They don't believe in karma."

Ah, but they do! Galatians 6:7 --Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

Cause and effect. That is karma.

Thank you for the Biblical reference - you beat me to it. :lol:

No matter how many coverups they manage, no matter how the Duggars appear united and keep smiling in public, and no matter how many leghumpers keep siding with them, the facts are there about what they have sowed.

Bring on the reaping.

:popcorn2:

[NotALoserLikeYou]

I'm not too baffled. Jill excused away his child sexual abuse....The pastor was putting blame on spouses of cheaters. Ergo, Jill and Derick happily link to his sermon.

But....why hurt Anna that way? :(

[smittykins]

Because duh, she deserved it, it's her fault for not keeping her man happy... :roll:

(Total sarcasm)

[JenniferJuniper]

But....why hurt Anna that way? :(

I'm sure they don't want to hurt her, but they have to make it clear it's not Josh's fault.

[Walking Cat Bed]

I'm sure they don't want to hurt her, but they have to make it clear it's not Josh's fault.

And the Duggar born-and-raised people in the extended Duggar family aren't perceptive enough to realize that talking about how Josh is innocent and can only be blamed for feeling too much (or something) strongly implies that they are loading the blame and judgment on Anna.

They may not intend to point fingers, but that's what's happening.

[Tenyari]

I was wondering the same thing.

Surely it would be considered the woman's fault.

Are there any known examples of this in the fundie world?

It's always the woman's fault with them.

[IReallyAmHopewell]

I was wondering the same thing.

Surely it would be considered the woman's fault.

Are there any known examples of this in the fundie world?

Oh please! She'd be disowned and lucky not to be stoned like in Saudi Arabia. Her kids might also be cut off due to her sin. And no support.

As to Josh getting off lightly--we may never know "all" that it cost him. As the oldest son you'd think he'd likely be in line for a bunch of Daddy's cash and property some day. And, the Civil Suits are still to come.

Just because people have said Anna is staying, we'll see when he leaves whatever bogus rehab he's in this time. If he really wanted to redeem himself he'd go to a secular rehab program. Nothing wrong with faith--and lots of sincere believers do asinine things--but he needs help from a cult specialist as well as with the porn & nasty sex thing. I really hope Anna has agreed to stay for the "duration" of rehab and then assesses the situation honestly. But in terms of $$ making potential, staying married and going out and sharing their hard times will likely pay best. She could earn money as a day care worker in a church day care center--she has a degree in Christian Education (Sunday School teaching) and maybe could bring her kids for free, but that would barely feed them even with a fully owned home. I HOPE JB is continuing to fund her life at the level she's now accustomed to--life is much cheaper in Arkansas than DC metro.

[Greendoor]

Thank you for the Biblical reference - you beat me to it. :lol:

No matter how many coverups they manage, no matter how the Duggars appear united and keep smiling in public, and no matter how many leghumpers keep siding with them, the facts are there about what they have sowed.

Bring on the reaping.

:popcorn2:

Yes, and Jesus's own words- do as you would have others do unto you.

You'll get what you give.