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I love when fundies have rules that apply to everyone but them. It's great that the Maxwell's (relative) fame is based on a book written by the mother of the household. Shouldn't her headship have been doing all of the book writing? :naughty:

Hypocrisy is a common trait amongst fundies. Never forget that.

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Is there any sort of refund policy for people who, say, start a course and quickly realize that they made a mistake?

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Awwww thanks and blessed blessings.

I'm still around but find it impossible to get comments passed by Stevie after the infamous Tom of Finland comment earlier in the year. He has certainly upped his level of paranoia maybe enhanced by the Smugger 'news'.

In their 4th July post I made a very complimentary comment about the generous food portions and Joe's helpmeet's garden which were deleted.

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Is there any sort of refund policy for people who, say, start a course and quickly realize that they made a mistake?

Any way to get a refund if I want to drop out?

Yes, if the start date is at least two weeks out, we will offer a 85% refund minus any expenses incurred. For example, we try to ship A+ books 4-6 weeks prior to the start of the A+ class. If we have shipped or provided books (hardcopy or electronic), and then you ask for a refund -- we would refund 85% minus the cost of books and shipping.

Yes, if you have begun the class and prior to the beginning of the second week want to drop out, we will refund 70% of the tuition. The expenses we incurred will be totaled and subtracted from the refund amount.

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I was thinking about Maxwell Economics. I would be curious to find out how they distribute incoming funds. Look at One Ton-- sure it is Nathan's baby but Steve is holding a webinar, Christopher took the photos, and it was advertised on the family blog (supposedly written up by Sarah.) Does Steve get a cut of any profits? Does Sarah? Was Christopher paid for his work?

What about the family books? Does Steve keep all of that, including all of the money from The Moody Books*, or is that how each of the sons was able to buy a home free of debt?

I am beginning to think there is some sort of communal pot with Steve divvying up as he sees fit. So much of what they do is done as a family effort that I find it hard to imagine they are keeping everything separate. Plus do we imagine that Christopher is making a living from his photography? Enough to support his growing family?

*I can so easily imagine a conversation with Sarah where Steve convinces her SHE doesn't need her own money-- she is fed, housed, and clothed-- therefore all of her royalty checks should be signed over to him because Joseph and Elissa need baby clothes or Christopher needs to pay off hospital bills.

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What if I have concerns about a male mentor coaching my daughter, or a female mentor coaching my son?

The primary instruction occurs during the webinars, via email, and on the class forum. For the encouraging phone calls, a student signing up for a course taught by an opposite gender instructor may request a same-gender mentor. If your daughter is signing up for a course with a male mentor, you are free to request a lady as a mentor. Or, if your son is signing up for a course led by a female mentor, you are welcome to request a man as the mentor. This approach has worked very well for us because the phone calls are designed to check progress and encourage the student, not to cover technical material – which enables the alternate mentor to not require the same material knowledge as the primary mentor.

So the mentor phone calls are so simple a woman can do them? Also, being a mentor requires, according to them, "practical experience in the area he is teaching" and is "One who has demonstrated that he knows what it takes to earn income in this field." Wouldn't alternate mentors have to meet the same qualifications? AFAIK, none of the Maxwell women do, unless you're holding out on us, Steve...

Also, I feel like Steve is the only fundie that would approve of ebil computer learning but care so fucking much about gendered learning. I bet he looks down on the portion of the "25% of young ladies" (percentage listed on the main page along with more patriarchal Maxhell bullshit) that don't request such accommodation.

(Quoting myself because I do what I want.)

ETA: What if a woman specifically requests and male mentor and vice versa? Can I request an agender mentor so that I can have a mentor of my same gender orientation?

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Awwww thanks and blessed blessings.

I'm still around but find it impossible to get comments passed by Stevie after the infamous Tom of Finland comment earlier in the year. He has certainly upped his level of paranoia maybe enhanced by the Smugger 'news'.

In their 4th July post I made a very complimentary comment about the generous food portions and Joe's helpmeet's garden which were deleted.

BOOOOOOO. Well, at least you went out on a high, for now. Steve, when somebody like Zsu is more permissive of blog comments than you are, you...might have a problem.

I'm not sure what the key to getting things past him consistently is. Probably a combination of factors: I post really erratically, sometimes in a barrage, other times staggering the breaks randomly. I move around on different networks a lot, so he can't track me that way. Sometimes I say genuinely nice things with no snark, not that that stops him from editing, but at least they get through the net in some form. He may have blocked stuff in the past, but OTOH, I've gotten two comments (as different people) on the same post more than once, so—yeah, keep trying, Steve. Oh, and hello from Hannah, Ruth, Christine, Grace I, Grace II, Jo, Maryanne, Sara, Val, Jenny, Cathy, Kathy, Anna, Edina, Patsy, and the rest.

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Is there any sort of refund policy for people who, say, start a course and quickly realize that they made a mistake?

Maybe they mis-typed something :lol:

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How to avoid porn on the Internet: don't go to whitehouse.com when you're doing a report for school as a 12 year old. There, problem solved.

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I was thinking about Maxwell Economics. I would be curious to find out how they distribute incoming funds. Look at One Ton-- sure it is Nathan's baby but Steve is holding a webinar, Christopher took the photos, and it was advertised on the family blog (supposedly written up by Sarah.) Does Steve get a cut of any profits? Does Sarah? Was Christopher paid for his work?

What about the family books? Does Steve keep all of that, including all of the money from The Moody Books*, or is that how each of the sons was able to buy a home free of debt?

I am beginning to think there is some sort of communal pot with Steve divvying up as he sees fit. So much of what they do is done as a family effort that I find it hard to imagine they are keeping everything separate. Plus do we imagine that Christopher is making a living from his photography? Enough to support his growing family?

*I can so easily imagine a conversation with Sarah where Steve convinces her SHE doesn't need her own money-- she is fed, housed, and clothed-- therefore all of her royalty checks should be signed over to him because Joseph and Elissa need baby clothes or Christopher needs to pay off hospital bills.

I've always been curious about how they divvy up the money too.

All the work they do seems to be under the umbrella of Communication Concepts, of which Steve is CEO.

Just speculation, but I'm guessing the money is pooled and divided up by percentages, with the married males getting a higher percentage than the unmarried men, and likely the females even less than that.

There is no way Christopher is making enough to support his family from his photography. I think they mentioned he does computer work too. And supposedly he did "financial consulting" once upon a time.

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Does Steve actually give his unmarried kids a cut? Bet he gives them like $5 or something, so they aren't able to take their money and run.

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Escaped Cardinal,

I love how a couple of the names you'd posted under were characters from AbFab!

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Does Steve actually give his unmarried kids a cut? Bet he gives them like $5 or something, so they aren't able to take their money and run.

Except the males save up to buy a house debt free so I assume they get some money.

At one point, when they were advertising their book about preparing sons to support a family on one income, they also mentioned Sarah had a nest egg. I don't see that anymore, but I certainly hope they are putting at least some money away for their daughters assuming they don't marry.

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How to avoid porn on the Internet: don't go to whitehouse.com when you're doing a report for school as a 12 year old. There, problem solved.

Well, you also have to not try and find a picture of Prince Albert using Google image search unless you're really sure you have safe search turned on.

Learned that one while prepping for a class...

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Forget the Maxwells' ramp. Y'all are teaching me internet lessons on here for free. I've been "power browsing" since the 90s and didn't know about whitehouse or Prince George!

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Except the males save up to buy a house debt free so I assume they get some money.

At one point, when they were advertising their book about preparing sons to support a family on one income, they also mentioned Sarah had a nest egg. I don't see that anymore, but I certainly hope they are putting at least some money away for their daughters assuming they don't marry.

I don't know how taxes work in the US, but where I live, the family would pay way more taxes if all income would go to one person instead of several family members. Of course, having money in their own name gives the kids the possiblity to run away, but I don't see Steve as someone who would voluntarily pay much more taxes than he absolutely must.

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I don't know how taxes work in the US, but where I live, the family would pay way more taxes if all income would go to one person instead of several family members. Of course, having money in their own name gives the kids the possiblity to run away, but I don't see Steve as someone who would voluntarily pay much more taxes than he absolutely must.

Sort of depends. If the kids make no or very limited income, Steve can claim all the ones still living at home as dependents, receive breaks for them, and the kids themselves may be able to receive certain breaks for having a low income. If the kids make over a certain amount, they cannot be claimed as dependents and file taxes as if they did not live at home.

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Sort of depends. If the kids make no or very limited income, Steve can claim all the ones still living at home as dependents, receive breaks for them, and the kids themselves may be able to receive certain breaks for having a low income. If the kids make over a certain amount, they cannot be claimed as dependents and file taxes as if they did not live at home.

And this is also possible if the "children" are already over 30? Because where I live, taxbreaks are given to parents until the kids are either 18 or have finished their education (whichever comes last).

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I wonder how much money they have access to? He comes across as the sort who will keep all of the money their unmarried "kids" earn, and just hand some to them every now and again when they need it, like if they need to get some new frumpers or want to buy someone a birthday present. And I bet they have to explain exactly what they want to make sure Steve approves that it isn't a waste of money, tell him how much it costs and bring back the receipt to make sure they aren't pocketing money to run away. Can they choose to withdraw money from their own bank account (assuming they have one) and use it to buy whatever they want, or would that make Stevie mad.

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Ugh, that sounds like such a horrible way to live, ILoveJellybeans. Demeaning and infantilizing. But I am sure you are right because Stevehovah is a power hungry monster who can only exert control over his brainwashed children and not the rest of us, thankfully.

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Can anybody tell me why Nathan's age is pertinent to this new "business?"

In 2011, Nathan, my oldest brother (now approaching 40!), launched ITonRamp, with the blessing and help of the entire family.

It's just so silly. She sounds like a ten year old who gets all wide-eyed talking about her big brother: "My brother is going to be TWENTY!!!"

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I love the explanation they give of ITOnRamp. That clarification seemed like a big FUFJ.

I laugh uncontrollably at the Tits2 reference.

As for money- Safe bet any money coming into that house by unmarried kids is put into a bank account and that the unmarrieds do not have free access until hitched. It's probably how Sarah could write about a bank trip in one of her books. She probably hasn't been back at a bank since opening the account and immediately handing the card to proud daddy standing with her at age 25 opening her first bank account.

(And please, if you didnt open your first bank account until you were 25 or older, I'm not poking at you. This comment is aimed directly at Mr. Controlly Pants).

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Escaped Cardinal,

I love how a couple of the names you'd posted under were characters from AbFab!

I should've posted as Saffron while I was at it...

I haven't kept a written list, but I know that wasn't the only female duo/group I've done—I posted as Diana, Mary, and Florence in succession, for instance. Probably safer to choose acts that postdate Steve's break from reality, though, so expect a visit from Ariana soon, Steve!

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I am sure that Sarah has no access to any of the money she earned from her books. I doubt Sarah has made enough money to live the rest of her life on or even for six months but I am sure she has made enough to buy a nice used car or have a nice emergency fund. It's unlikely she even knows how much she has made. I wouldn't be surprised if Sarah has never filed a tax return because all income goes to Steve or his company. She may not even own the rights to her own work. I can see her signing all rights away so that if she left, she can't even take her stories or characters with her. She will sign whatever Steve puts in front of her. I don't see Steve putting money in an account for Sarah if she were to get married. It's her husband's job to provide for the family, not her. I can she Steve thinking that any money Sarah made was Maxwell money in his mind and therefore she isn't entitled to it because she is no longer a Maxwell or part of the immediate family when she marries.

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