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calimojo

Constable Duggar

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calimojo

With Jimbob and Michelle trying very hard to through the local police under the bus, and throwing accusations of conspiracy against them and all that is holy, I really wonder where JD stands with all of this.

 

I realize he is not a real cop, but I would think as constable that he has likely interacted with the local law enforcement and might have even had some very basic training with them. I am very curious to know what his take is on all of this, and if his interactions with the outside world have in anyway undone some of the brainwashing.

 

JD seems dull as dirt, but yet, out of all the older ones, he seems to be the only one with any kind of work ethic (Sorry, i should include Jana, jinger and Joy who likely do all of the housework and childcare). He must have more access to outside influences and if he is living away from the house, as many suspect, he could be watching tv, reading secular newspapers and magazines, etc.

 

Perhaps we have underestimated JD. I also have never gotten the impression that JD was close to Josh, despite being the two oldest boys. And on more than one occasion, you can see in JD's facial expressions that he thinks the dog and pony show is idiotic. Watch his face when Sierra demands they paint 200 flamingos, or his annoyance at JB when doing the ride along, or just his absence from many shows in general.

 

 

I also suspect that Joseph doesn't live at home much anymore either when he is not in school. Either he bunks in the 'guesthouse' or he bunks at JD's house.

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MalteseBaby

I hate to say it, but I'm just not sure any of this matters much any longer. The Duggars have had their time in the sun, but it really seems that it's all over now, at least to me.

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calimojo

well that may be true, but it doesn't really pertain to my post. While I really could not care less about Jimbob or Michelle, I will admit I do wonder what will become of the kids. They didn't chose the life they have been given, and yes, while they have all benefited financially, I don't think most of us would trade our free will and critical thinking skills with their life anytime soon.

Even the adult children, some of whom have displayed the same assholian tendencies that their parents have, are still a product of being raised by JimBob and Michelle.

And, while I think JD is dull on the show, he sort of intrigues me compared to the other older kids as he seems to sort of life his own life more than the other ones do. Joseph seems to as well.

We have spent a lot of time on FJ wishing that Jinger, Joy, Jana or one of the other older Girls would break free, meanwhile, under our noses, Perhaps JD and Joseph will be the first ones that do. Joseph is living away from home much of the time and JD seems to not be living under the same roof as the family anymore. If he has broken from the grips of JB andM, it would be great if he could help the others. And I guess, even though we have poked fun at his elected role of Constable, it has probably allowed him to interact with lots of other people and maybe widened his world view a smidge.

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barefootandsinning

As of recent, I've suspected that JD considers quite a bit of his family's day-to-day life ridiculous. In the episode where they were re-doing the girls' room and everyone was freaking out over which mirror to replace the old ones with, he said something to the effect of "JUST TAKE A DAMN MIRROR AND PUT IT ON THE WALL." He also made a few comments poking fun at Boob and his outright refusal to live up to modern-day standards; if I recall correctly, he told Boob to his face that he's stuck in the 90's.

But I agree, at this point it doesn't matter. I wouldn't be surprised to hear someday that JD slowly drifted away from Gothardism at a pace just subtle enough to keep ties with his family. He already drifting away, and clearly way more involved in the secular community than any of his other siblings. He's very quiet, but it's comments like his that make me believe he's a pretty rational guy just waiting it out until he can make his own life without making too big of waves. Anything he does won't make it out to the press because by the time he makes it out into normalcy, the Duggars will be old hat.

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MisUndrstd

I also kind of like JD, I think he seems to be a very thoughtful guy. Although there is no doubt in my mind that he is deeply religious, but I can't really say that he has bought into the quiverful lifestyle, like JB and Michelle have. To be quite honest, now that Josh knows first hand what the quiverful lifestyle entails, I don't think he is that gung-ho about it either. But back to JD.. I see JD on the same level as Derick. I think JD would actually be an ok husband and I don't see JD on the power trip his father is on and having to have a ton of kids to prove his superiority. I think if his wife does not want a shit ton of kids, JD would more than okay with that. Which could be the reason why JD hasn't married yet. JD has to have (or had) massive amounts of fundie chicks throwing themselves at his feet and thus far JD has escaped the fate of his father, which could very well mean that he doesn't want to be like his father at all.

I think JD is just a simple guy that likes to work, even when JD and Josh had the used car business, Josh was the walkie-talkie indoor salesman and JD was out working in the car lot or running the towing business. He has no desire to be in the spotlight, JD just wants to do what he likes to do.. work hard and go home and relax. So I too see JD as a breaking Duggar possibility, but I think he will break Duggar in a subtle way. JD will just work hard, maintain his own home, he might even stay a bachelor. But one thing is for sure, he is not cut from the same cloth as JB and Josh are.

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Nic

Did you ever just think that slightly annoyed/bemused guy is JD's role? The whole idea of the ride along was that JB was going to act up and annoy JD. That was the purpose of that made up story line. If there wasn't that little bit of conflict, the story wouldn't be as interesting. Do you think there would've been a ride along if there wasn't a camera crew?

Painted a gazillion flamingos? Without a spray gun? That's gonna to "annoy" a lot of people. And that whole the "spray guns are missing??" of course they are, because seeing the kids dipping them and making a mess is more fun to watch/better TV than someone taking a spray gun and sorting it out a line of them in minutes.

I've said in other threads that I don't see JD and Joshie hanging out together. It could be because JD had a sucky life after bc of Joshie, or Joshie was that segregated from family.

I think they use him as commentary (craftsman)-- think when they were "arguing" over the mirror in the girls bedroom. He said I just think we need to get some mirrors on the wall or some such. He says what many could be thinking watching all the Duggar chaos.

As for his lack of time on screen, he doesn't have any interesting story lines going on. He's not raising a family, courting... we saw the episode where he showed Meechelle how to use a whatever it was... again do you think Meechelle gives a shit unless cameras are there? But what would it be like if we regularly checked in with JD? How interesting do you think it would be? Not good TV... same reason why a show with the Benessa and the other 2 won't work. BORING.

Just seems that so many are imbuing these characters with so many thoughts feelings and traits based on what they see during 30 minutes. It's obvious that some kids embrace the camera more than others, but trying to do a real life character study based on a fauxish reality show we risk putting our values into the characters or seeing more than what's really there.

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calimojo

well, I didn't start this post because I think JD is compelling TV. Typically he is very dull in his TH's and he doesn't seem to have much natural charisma like Josiah might have.

I just wondered, if as someone who is tangentially in law enforcement, how he feels about this situation and how he feels about his Parent's willingness to through local law enforcement under the bus with their "agenda and conspiracy" theories.

And if JD is out of the house, I wonder if soon others will follow. If he has his own place, maybe he has room for Joseph and Josiah.

I would like the kids out of the the TTH as much as possible.

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Nic
well, I didn't start this post because I think JD is compelling TV. Typically he is very dull in his TH's and he doesn't seem to have much natural charisma like Josiah might have.

I just wondered, if as someone who is tangentially in law enforcement, how he feels about this situation and how he feels about his Parent's willingness to through local law enforcement under the bus with their "agenda and conspiracy" theories.

And if JD is out of the house, I wonder if soon others will follow. If he has his own place, maybe he has room for Joseph and Josiah.

I would like the kids out of the the TTH as much as possible.

He spent quite a few days in Tulsa last week so away from the mess. My gender stereotyping moment: I kinda think things are less awkward for guys**-- or they ignore the elephant in the room and just stick with the whole HEY- HEY BACK, whereas women wonder what are they thinking or feel compelled to try to say something? Just a long shot guess.

**unless you're Joshie-- things are all kinds of way awkward for him currently

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MisUndrstd

I would imagine this situation has made it very difficult for JD to work with the PD. I would hope that no one would hold the sins of his father and brother against him but there still has to be a very big elephant in the room for JD. Also, since the constable is an elected official this may put a damper on any attempts by JD to run for reelection. I'm not sure what kind of community they live in but I imagine the community is pretty divided right now and JD might not get the votes that he did previously to win another election. So these actions by Josh/JB and Michelle have been far reaching and have hurt the family in ways that might not even evident until years down the road. I would hope that people realize that JD and his other brothers and sisters aren't necessarily the same as their parents are, but you know how it is sometimes the sins of our fathers do follow us through life even when they shouldn't.

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calimojo

how long is the term for an elected constable? It would be a shame, if JD likes that job, to have it lost due to his Brother and Parents.

I think the Duggar boys, might be more fucked in terms of a career because of this. Of course the girls aren't supposed to have a career, but if they wanted one, they are more likely to have people show them some empathy, where as the boys might all be tainted somewhat by what the eldest brother did. People are going to wonder if all the boys had the same impulses and JB and M's assertions that they had put in safeguards such as keeping young ones away from the older boys certainly reinforces that idea.

We don't may much attention to the boys in the family. But we know that Jer and Jed, Josiah and Jason seem to have a creative streak and enjoy making the videos. Justin is often overlooked, but I have actually enjoyed him in the TH's. Jackson is a hyper little guy, and seems not to really fit in with the middle boys much and apparently is at the age where he is also not allowed to be around his sisters as much anymore.

I also wonder just what was told to the kids when Megyn Kelly came over. By that picture at the Duggar dining table, It looks like it was a real good time. How did that happen?

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Nic

He ran unopposed last time, so he might have a good shot this time, unless someone out there really wants to be a constable.

I think the parents did the other boys a disservice by their safeguards bc they are basically telling them and now the world, that we think you could be sick little pervs too that we need to have protection set in place.

The Duggars and Megyn Kelly were going to put on a show and if they need happy pics, they will make happy pics. I'm sure the Duggars wanted to show Megyn and the audience that they were this happy, normal, and relatable family. Megyn wanted to show that she had a rapport with them.

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MisUndrstd

Yeah, even if the other kids decided to leave the area to start a new life it will still follow them, this has been such a media circus I doubt there is any place they go to fully escape it. I'd die my hair and change my last name and move to Montana or another remotely populated state and buy a ranch or something. I think this will be a very hard thing to live down for all of the kids. I especially feel bad for the M kids, they have been given such a horrible lot in life by having Josh as a father and if Josh wasn't emotionally detached from his kids before, he will most certainly be now.

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goldfishgoddess

I'm going to give the community credit that they see JD as an independent person doing an honest job, rather than part of the dog and pony show led by J'Boob and J'Chelle.

JD seems like a quiet, honest, hardworking guy and I'm sure he squirms at what his older brother did and how his parents handled it. After all, he is close enough to the police to know about FOIA and that nobody in the department was "out to get" his parents and family.

I really wonder what the average Tontitown resident thinks of the Duggars now. Duggars have sure dug themselves deep in lies this week. I'll bet that police officer who went to jail for kiddy porn was the talk of the town, and everyone there must know that J'Boob knew him and picked him for Josh to "confess" to. Sickening.

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Furbabies

https://instagram.com/p/zq9sKBIHTM/

I saw this pic on the punkduggar instagram page. It's very cute, but check out what JD wrote on his name tag. No, I don't think this was added by the page owner. She loves the Duggars.

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MisUndrstd

I saw this pic on the punkduggar instagram page. It's very cute, but check out what JD wrote on his name tag. No, I don't think this was added by the page owner. She loves the Duggars.

I don't know it kind of looks photo-shopped in if you ask me. The name tag doesn't blend with the pic well, it kind of sits on top of the pic if that makes sense. But I really do hope that JD does not feel that way about himself. But life was probably pretty hellish for him since he had to deal with the strongly opinionated and overpowering personalities of JB and Josh.

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calimojo

JD looks better with that hairstyle in that photoshop than he does with his own.

I am not some secret JD fan. I always thought he was fairly immature, especially with what he did to the wedding cars and such, and he never seemed comfortable on screen. But I do get the impression he has a better work ethic than any other male in that family.

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LucyLocket

FYI, the constable position in Arkansas doesn't mean anything. It's an elected position, true, but it has no powers except to be able to be present at a crime scene or accident within their area. Most candidates run unopposed because it means that little. Some areas will go for ages without a constable. They receive no training, are not eligible for the state's law enforcement academy, and if they have a car, it's because they purchased it themselves. He was elected because he filed and paid the $100 (at least I think it's still $100) filing fee. It shouldn't matter for Jim Bob's political career one way or another. Its only real advantage should be for his towing business. In his area it will give him first crack at towing the cars from an wreck, which is why I imagine he wanted the position.

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RosyDaisy

A part of me wonders if JD played a part in this scandal becoming public. This is just speculation on my part, and not based on facts.

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calimojo

I doubt that he did. For one thing, I have a hard time believing that the other kids even specifically knew what went down. They probably were given only general and misleading information. Next, as we have seen with jessa and jill, in their world, this was apparently considered a sin, but not a crime. If it had gone as far as prolonged under the clothing, while restraining or holding down an awake child, or PnV contact, then I think JD and the others would realize it was a crime. But the parents and the church and even the first cop all treated it like a mistake. And at the time JD was too young and too sheltered to really understand that it was a crime.

Likely, he hasn't given it much thought in the past few years until the scandal broke.

I am much more interested in what he thinks now. I believe that he is probably 75% likely to be following the family line. But I hope that at least part of him is developing an awareness of just how fucked up all of this is. I don't think JD is some kind of deep introspective thinker. Instead, I think his pulling away from the family and doing his own thing is just a result of him being tired of the dog and pony show and wanting some of his own space.

But if he has a chance to be around more 'normal' people, I just hope that some of it rubs off on him.

And I think that if it does, that in turn, JD will influence Joseph and possibly Josiah and the other boys. My impression is that the boys are all likely closer to JD than they ever have been with Josh. Even before the scandal broke, I think most of us would agree that Josh doesn't seem particularly well liked by his own siblings. And some of the early tension that some might have observed between Anna and the sisters early on, may have been by extension, their own feelings towards Josh showing up.

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DGayle
It's obvious that some kids embrace the camera more than others, but trying to do a real life character study based on a fauxish reality show we risk putting our values into the characters or seeing more than what's really there.

To be fair, we do see a lot of some of the kids outside of the show. I don't have cable, so don't even watch the show (even online), yet know a good deal, and it's not from this forum. People and other magazines that have had interviews, and news interviews, and their own postings, tell a lot about them. When combined with what we know about their religious beliefs, like the goal of marrying young to maximize baby-making years (which makes the Maxwells look like failures), it's easy to start making deductions about what may be going on.

The Duggars live in an area not exactly littered with fundies everywhere they look. JD isn't overly involved in the family's day-to-day stuff, and works a lot. He doesn't work in jobs that would let him take off all the time to travel around seeing other fundies. Either he's spending a lot of time entirely alone, he's spending time with heathens, or...I don't know. He's not doing it the way he was raised to do it. Jill getting to travel alone isn't the way either, but it potentially made for something to put on the show, meaning she was essentially chaperoned anyway.

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Nic

The two girls and Josh love their social media. I'm sure at this point if JD had an interest in it, he could get it. But, I do wonder how involved he is with the family. He's not depicted hanging out with the kids a bumch-- I think people would wonder-- not lasciviously, but just why doesn't this 25 yo guy have his own stuff going on.

I have noticed at some Duggar speaking engagements, he is there in pictures-- posing or holding a microphone up.

I can't think of many of his peers, (25 year old small town living guys) that have access to the family airplane. I wonder how much his towing business keeps him occupied. His dad started it, right? I don't know if he then put aside and JD picked it up, but there doesn't seem to be any expansion of it after all these years.

I wonder how into his construction he is-- he did some for that property he owns. But what else? There was an episode where he was taking Ben around so that would count as Duggar Construction or TLC busywork. Constable costs him money. Would be interesting to see just how he covers his nut every month.

He seems to dabble in quite a few things. I don't think it's scrambling to make money to make a life. Just kind of a lack of focus? My guess is that he does it because he can, because he is that supported by the family.

But it is interesting that he is 25 yo, seemingly never had a GF so he is going with the whole courting belief -- OR he's just been really really lucky that gals he has been with have all kept their mouths shut? I'm guessing the former.

If there were wagers, I would say in 25 years give take he'll be the mayor of Tontitown.

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calimojo

he reminds me of my cousin, who is a "good ole boy" type and never married. Not gay, or at least not aware of it yet if he is as it would not be very accepted in his peer group.

He likes to hunt, works here and there as an electrician, but nothing steady, takes on odd jobs and such, but doesn't have a time where he clocks in and works for x amount of hours per day. He makes enough money to live in a small mobile home out in the country, and to drive a big ass truck and keep a few hunting dogs. He takes trips to Alaska, Canada and other places around the country to go hunting and fishing. He has had an occasional GF, but nothing too serious. And as he is now late 40's, I doubt he will ever marry. I thought he might after his parents died, as he did help out with them, but he hasn't.

And while he and I don't have much in common, I think he would help me out if I needed something done around my house or some electrical work. But we live far apart so that would probably not happen. I think he is a decent sort of guy, but a bit socially awkward and backwards.

This is how I see JD. He probably likes to dabble in a few different things because he doesn't have to do a full time job. But when the money slows down, I think he will be well positioned to get a real job because he at least has some skills. And his jobs so far require him to interact with the public a bit, so he must be able to do that adequately enough.

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FloraKitty35
A part of me wonders if JD played a part in this scandal becoming public. This is just speculation on my part, and not based on facts.

I was thinking the same thing.

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Nic

I was thinking the same thing.

I guess my question then would be how does JD benefit from doing this? And why at this particular time?

Bringing it to the media is not going to convince the girls they need counseling. Josh is out of the house. Something's got to pay to keep his airplane in the sky.

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calimojo

I guess my question then would be how does JD benefit from doing this? And why at this particular time?

Bringing it to the media is not going to convince the girls they need counseling. Josh is out of the house. Something's got to pay to keep his airplane in the sky.

I agree, I doubt he did this. Like I said up thread, He likely didn't have that many details about this and if mom and dad said it was handled appropriately, he probably believed them.

My interest is more about what he thinks now. His parents are quick to throw the local law enforcement under the bus and threaten suit. Presumably, JD at least knows some of the local cops from his work in towing and as Constable. I doubt he is brought in on any cases or really considered to be part of the team, but he might have gone to a few meetings or some sort of brief orientation with them. He, more than any of the unmarried kids, has more interaction with the "world", or at least it seems that he does. So he might quietly be able to think more critically about all of this and form some of his own opinions.

BTW, Bill Mahr had a great commentary about the "Persecution of Christians". I laughed all the way through it and he makes great points.

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