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Josh Duggar Admits to Molestation Rumors - Part 4


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It physically pained me to read that.

Gothard's list, along with the chart on how to deal with abuse are the two most misinformed and badly researched documents ever.

You think???

Jb an M are avid and loyal followers, how can you expect the children to be mentally healthy? No child remains unharmed in fundieland. Of course not all 14 year old are fondling their sleeping sisters, but a child can't survive without being damaged in that milieu.

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Yeah I'm thankful it only a fan page. The fan wants us to go to the family blogspot but I know it'll be something about a misinterpretation it that's the case then I am neither addicted to shopping or smoothies.

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You think???

Jb an M are avid and loyal followers, how can you expect the children to be mentally healthy? No child remains unharmed in fundieland. Of course not all 14 year old are fondling their sleeping sisters, but a child can't survive without being damaged in that milieu.

If this is the kind of counseling Josh was given, he just came away from it thinking his sisters had to be more modest and he shouldn't change diapers.

Makes me worry for Mac.

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I thought Jinger wouldn't have an instagram since only the married/courting kids do? Maybe this is a fake account.

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With regard to the age of 14 being a child vs being an adult- what does Arkansas law say? If there had been one and only one incident, I might be willing to stomach the argument that it was dealt with 'in house,' and now that it is over a decade past the incident, we need to move along.

4 sisters and one other young female within that culture were VIOLATED. This is serial behavior. And everything those girls are taught with regard to their self worth revolves around their purity. So, Josh's defenders vehemently state that he has been forgiven by the Lord. Not one utterance to reassure the girls that this was not their fault, and the Lord will not hold them responsible for that which was TAKEN from them.

Also, have the parents alluded to their own guilt by saying that they prayed for forgiveness as well?

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I wonder if Mullet thinks that the molestation may still be happening.

There was something so off when she got so upset at Jill's wedding because Josie removed her little jacket and exposed her shoulders.

I remember thinking at the time, who could believe that a 4 year old's shoulders could be defrauding and now I know that Josh did molest a 4-5 year old sister.

in my opinion the molestation ABSOLUTELY has happened again recently by someone. No other explanation for their freakish adherence to modesty, girls in the same bed etc. Also i know it stinks for the sisters' names to be out there. BUT if their names hadn't been out there and it had just been Josh with anonymous girl this would not be getting the same media attention. People would say oh it was just Josh with another consenting teen and the Duggars over-reacted and the girl lied to save her "purity reputation." If the m'girls, duggar little girls are still being molested, knowing how much the older girls love them i would bet they would be willing to face this victim-shaming in order to save those little ones.

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I just wanted to say, can you imagine how different the fallout would look if Josh had been peeping and creeping on his Brothers instead of his sisters? Would there still be so much Fundy defence? Me thinks not.

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Ever wonder if any of the boys were too ashamed/scared to say anything? I think he's definitely a power hungry bully. It's possible there's even more to this story.

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That strip club rumor is starting to sound pretty tame right about now.

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Yeah, sorry about the confusion of that link of the istagram fan page, I just think its kind scummy to have a fan page and then say "Oh you guys don't know the truth about Josh" especially if its it a page dedicated to one of the girls who was/is the victim.

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But he molested her daughter in law :(

Who will protect Jessa now :( I hope Ben realises how much of a big deal this is. I don't think another person should let the girls down :( Someone needs to understand how terrible this is. Someone needs to speak up for them, and tell them that what happened was wrong.

I know it's terrible!! I can't imagine how embarrassed Jessa is! I wonder how execs at Harpo knew about this and reported it and yet it never leaked until NOW! I wonder how Cathy feels or Marjorie's family all of these families are tied to theDuggars for life!

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If anyone wants to read some old threads from TWOP, here's a helpful link:

http://web.archive.org/web/201404100853 ... ms/page-23

This is link is via the "way back machine" so you have to wait a couple of second for it to redirect you to the old forum that the way back machine archived in March 2014.

This link where old posters start talking about Josh's "sin in the camp." It also has a link to the old TWOP "14 Kids Special."

It's an interesting read, especially with all this finally being divulged by the media.

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Maybe Ben's parents are just playing alone. I mean Ben still depends on Bob for a living. Bob could kick them out and cut them off.

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Am I going to be able to change her mind!

Oh honey, until someone she loves is molested, which I sincerely hope NEVER happens, she will continue to defend the aggtessor. How is it that with sex crimes, if the aggressor is a minor, he can be given over to God for healing, yet if there is a minor who commits murder, it is life in prison because he is charged as an adult (Not all the time, but more often than not). Some argue about the sanctity of life. Well, those victims had any shred of a chance at a normal loving life, or a healthy relationship, taken from them not only with their brother's actions, but the inaction of their legal and spiritual protectors- their parents. What about the sanctity of the victims' lives?

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I want to give the Seewalds the benefit of the doubt. Right now they are all in shock, and the Duggars are closing ranks and . I think the Guinn may be trying ensure that Jessa trusts them and feels safe enough to turn to them when this all hits her like a ton of bricks that her parents sold her out.

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Does anyone remember an early episode when Josh and Anna were courting? They went out to eat somewhere and Jana and John David were the chaperones. I remember Josh making a joke about people thinking Josh and Jana being a couple "hey, this is Arkansas" is what he said with a sick laugh!! I'm trying to find the episode. Here's the link it's between the 4:00-5:00 minute mark http://youtu.be/70m_Z3x9Gu4

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I'm only on page 2 of this thread but I have to get it out before I explode.

Guinn I'm horribly disappointed in you for sharing Huckabee's statement. YOU ARE A MOTHER FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!! I didn't think you would stand for the way your daughter in law was treated. Your husband has spoke out against the abuse of women on his blog but you stand with the abuser? What kind of fucked up logic is that? I would rather you stayed silent than show support for Jessa's abuser. Here I thought, "Well at least Jessa has Michael and Guinn who won't blame her for what happened." Then I see that. :evil:

JB you mother-effing bastard. First you are causing me to use curse words at that makes me mad but it's the only way I can relieve the frustration I have right now. Calling in favors so that you can get someone fired?!?!?! You didn't do that to protect your daughters you did that to protect your brand. You piece of shit. I pray that this isn't the end of all of it. I pray that the minor children are removed and those who aren't minors anymore move away. I pray that a judge forces you to give each child the money they deserve from the show, speaking engagements, and associated royalties. You deserve nothing!

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Did any one else reading the police report notice that one victim when picking out privates picked out penis? I think one victim was male. I wish I could clip the part for you. My mother also read it and got the same feeling.

That doesn't surprise me because I don't buy for one minute the argument that Josh's behaviour resulted from a clash between his raging hormones and his repressive upbringing. If that were true he would have been looking at porn, seeking out similarly inclined girls of his own age. He chose his much younger sisters, FFS!

It's my understanding that pedophiles often don't care about the sex of their victims. Like rape, it's more about having power over another than about sexual desire.

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From my point of view, 14 is plenty old enough to know that touching your sisters in a sexual way is inappropriate. He may have been legally a child, but he was old enough to know that groping your five year old (FIVE YEAR OLD!) sister is beyond the pale.

And even if somehow he did not know it was a horrific thing to do, once it happened the first time and he was sent away and HOPEFULLY talked to about how wrong it was to do... he did it again and again. So even if he gets a "wow, you're a horrifically stupid child to not know this was wrong" pass on the first time, no passes for after that.

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In response to piece of shit article: http://www.westernjournalism.com/a-chri ... sh-duggar/

I'm going to ignore the tired defense of "he was just a kid" and move on.

Dare I say it? Very few in the mainstream media – very few – talked about Lena Dunham’s documented molestation of her younger sister. Even less called for any type of repercussions for her actions.

Um, a lot of people were outraged about Lena Dunham. They called for the cancellation of her show and I believe it actually did suffer. (I never watched it but I think it was cancelled. Or at least put in hiatus) It was in the mainstream media. Drudge picked it up. I've been checking it for the past two days and still nothing on there about the Duggars. Nothing.

Dunham was wrong, but she too was a stupid kid doing stupid, wrong things. The glaring difference between her and Duggar? Dunham laughs about her childhood incidents and shows zero remorse for them whatsoever. And that’s that. The majority of society wrote off Dunham’s incident as childhood stupidity, though it was very, very wrong.

No. The glaring difference is that Lena was a seven year old child who was decided to look into her two year old sisters vagina. She later bribed her sister for kisses and such. This is wrong but it's no where near the level of what Josh did. I'm not defending Lena's actions at all. I found them deplorable and I find her to be a deplorable human being - for several reasons - but a seven year old child looking inside her baby sister's vagina is a lot different than a fourteen year old boy sneaking into his five year old sister's rooms and touching her vagina. Or trapping another sister in a laundry room and putting his hands up her dress. Or foundling her breasts while she sleeps. These two sins are not even comparable. They are literally like apples and oranges. Both fruits that grow on trees but that's about the only similarity.

And this quote series has to be my favourite.

Earlier today, I tweeted this:

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I received many responses along these lines:

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The thing is, you guys, they do. By 17-years-old, 48% of teenagers have had sex. One out of every three teenage girls gets pregnant before the age of 20. And it doesn’t count as consent just because you’re both under 18. Twenty-six and a half percent of 15-19-year-old girls are giving birth to kids – and those are just the ones that aren’t having abortions. And 17% of those births are to unwed mothers who already have at least one other child!

The thing is, you idiot, they don't. A 17 year old having sex with another 17 year old is not fucking molestations. 14 year old Josh wasn't messing around with a 14 year old girl who was consenting. He was sneaking into his sisters bedrooms - with some as young as 4 or 5 years old - and touching them while they slept. And yes, it does count as consent if they're both under 18. The age difference varies by state but if they're both under 18 and within two or so years of each other, it does count as consent.

But what really pisses me off is that her entire argument in this paragraph is a straw man argument. None of this has anything to do with Josh molesting his sisters and other girls to whom he had easy access. Absolutely nothing. And quite frankly, I find it extremely dangerous - and offensive - for her to compare consensual sex between two highschoolers to the actions of a young teenager sneaking into young children's rooms while they slept so he can touch them, and then trap them in the laundry room so he can touch them, and then lure them to him with a book so he can touch them. Of course, in the world of Gothard, this is normal bc all sins are equal.

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The saddest thing is that all the people who are supposed to have protected the girls and stood up for them have failed them. Their parents covered up that they were being molested, and continued to spout shit about modesty and how once you've had sexual contact with someone, you are dirty, and that girls who get raped and molested caused it by being immodest. And make sex jokes about them.

The leader of their cult is also a child molester, and he molests girls who go for help, as well as providing a culture where victim blaming and shame is standard, and also gives victims those awful victim blaming worksheets that make them feel worse.

Everyone who is supposed to be on their side-their closest friends and everyone they know, let them down by defending their abuser, instead of standing up for the victims and saying this is not okay.

So far the only people who have showed genuine love to them and wanted to help and protect them are people who cant, because we are just people who watched their show and talk about it on a forum. Its so sad. How can things go so wrong that the only people who want to help, are too far away to provide it.

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I am sorry if this has already been addressed, but has anyone considered that Josh may have been molested as a child? He was a young offender (not saying this is OK or that it should get him off it is just a fact he was young) and many if not all young offenders do so because it has happened to them as well. My question is, if he was molested, then who is/are the offender(s)?

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This pretty much sums it up for me. No matter how you look at it, the bottom line is that this is the result of living within this culture.

I've said this before and I'll say this again.

As someone who used to be in this world and am now out....

They don't look at this situation like normal people look at it. Deep down in their hearts, they truly believe that if this person (whether Josh or "Bill") sincerely repents and apologizes, it's as if it never happened. I know that is hard for most people to comprehend, bu that is the reality of these people. If they show that they don't forgive these people for repenting, it looks bad on THEM, *not* the abusers. Of course none of them did the right thing in actual reality. But in THEIR reality, everything was done by the books and everyone is suppose to pretend like it never happened.

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I am sorry if this has already been addressed, but has anyone considered that Josh may have been molested as a child? He was a young offender (not saying this is OK or that it should get him off it is just a fact he was young) and many if not all young offenders do so because it has happened to them as well. My question is, if he was molested, then who is/are the offender(s)?

I think it is possible :( A child molesting children is a red flag for them having been sexually abused themselves. Also fundamentalism is full of child abusers.

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I think it is possible :( A child molesting children is a red flag for them having been sexually abused themselves. Also fundamentalism is full of child abusers.

I have a feeling this is going to be the tip of a very nasty ice burg. I know Jim Boob is creepy and marginal I really really hope he is not the one.

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I am sorry if this has already been addressed, but has anyone considered that Josh may have been molested as a child? He was a young offender (not saying this is OK or that it should get him off it is just a fact he was young) and many if not all young offenders do so because it has happened to them as well. My question is, if he was molested, then who is/are the offender(s)?

maybe by that creepy state trooper that is now serving almost 60 years in jail? I wish one of the reporters would go interview him in jail. If Jim Bob was into anything nasty, my bet is on that state trooper knowing.

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