Erin Paine(Bates) is a momma!

[doubleT]

I have a blood clotting issue and took thinners during both my successful pregnancies. Both times I was carefully monitored and the plan was 36 weeks for a planned C-section. My first one made it to the goal and my second one I had a few weeks earlier then my goal but it turned out ok. The main planning was weaning off the thinners and making sure there were no clots in the cord in the 3rd trimester. I had some vascular complications that made me go on bed rest. The shots were a pain and so was the bed rest but I considered it a trade off to missing the last month of pregnancy and never feeling the pain of a contraction.

Based on the information above from silverspoon along with the fact that Erin had a 3 to 3-1/2 day hospital stay, I think Erin had a planned C-section.

[Optogirl]

So happy for them!

I'm betting they'll use some sort of family planning - I'm guessing NFP or condoms, which I'm surprised no-one has mentioned. Condoms are 99% effective when used perfectly, and while typical use brings the effectiveness down, I'm betting Cherin would be more motivated than the average person to use them as perfectly as possible

I also don't think she'll get an IUD. It's probably too similar to "closing the womb" or whatever that verse is. Even if that's not what IUDs actually do.

Also I'm guessing she didn't have a c-section. I've never had kids, so I have no idea, but isn't it unlikely that they would schedule a section for 10pm? It seems much more reasonable that they had scheduled to be induced in the morning or around noon.

[Buzzard]

So happy for them!

I'm betting they'll use some sort of family planning - I'm guessing NFP or condoms, which I'm surprised no-one has mentioned. Condoms are 99% effective when used perfectly, and while typical use brings the effectiveness down, I'm betting Cherin would be more motivated than the average person to use them as perfectly as possible

I also don't think she'll get an IUD. It's probably too similar to "closing the womb" or whatever that verse is. Even if that's not what IUDs actually do.

Also I'm guessing she didn't have a c-section. I've never had kids, so I have no idea, but isn't it unlikely that they would schedule a section for 10pm? It seems much more reasonable that they had scheduled to be induced in the morning or around noon.

Condoms require purchase and leave evidence behind that a "helpful" sibling may discover. NFP or a prescription/procedure is the only thing I see happening. No way could she risk being discovered.

[doubleT]

Also I'm guessing she didn't have a c-section. I've never had kids, so I have no idea, but isn't it unlikely that they would schedule a section for 10pm? It seems much more reasonable that they had scheduled to be induced in the morning or around noon.

Optogirl - Oops, I failed to see that the baby was born at 10pm. You are right, a planned C-section would most likely not be scheduled at night.

[halcionne]

Where did it say he was born at 10pm?

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

Chad sure is attractive... handsome face, great smile, and those arms! And Erin does look incredible. The day I gave birth I looked like something that had been dredged up from the bottom of a swamp.

Yea, but you didn't have a camera crew there with a make up specialist to make sure you looked great for press release photos =p

[MistofRain752]

I was about to congratulate the baby for not having a honking pink bow on its head and then realized that, doh!, it's a boy. That cap is rather pink though, isn't it?

The baby is very cute and Erin, Chad and the grandparents all look so happy!

I thought I was the only one that HATED those bows! :o

[WonderingInWA]

Awww, so glad to see the baby arrived safely! Fundie or not, I am always glad to hear that a couple who has struggled with fertility finally gets to bring a baby home!

Chad is completely defrauding. Erin's a lucky gal. And I'm old enough to be his mother.

[imokit]

I thought I was the only one that HATED those bows! :o

I don't get them, if you want to show off your girl infant's girlness, that's what pretty dresses and pink blankets are for. Those are actually comfy. The bows just make you look like your desperate for the baby to grow hair. Once the hair's long enough for a tiny whale spout or ponytail, then hair accessories start being cute...

[Dutch_girl]

Based on the information above from silverspoon along with the fact that Erin had a 3 to 3-1/2 day hospital stay, I think Erin had a planned C-section.

My guess is a C-section as well, although the hospital stay could be because Carson was born at 36 weeks.

[clueliss]

I'm going to border on leg humping here.

The photo of Chad, Erin and Carson is so sweet and seems to be so genuine. Yes I know these girls have had a lifetime to perfect that Nancy Reagan adoring gaze. But that one just feels real.

[Melissa1977]

I don't think c-section, she looks too relaxed.

Chad is extremely in love, I can see him using something to avoid pregnancy to protect Erin's health.

[Wenny]

My friend has a clotting disorder and all her babies come at 36 to 38 weeks.

[Sundaymorning]

I'm glad everything went well. :)

As for the chances that they will use some kind of birth control: I think they will.

Not only because they don't want to risk Erins health and life (which I don't think they do, for fundies, they seem to be pretty decent people), but because of the fact that the Bates have a tv show.

As cynical as it sounds, now that the family is in the public eye, they have to be careful with their image. News that Erins health is ruined by having one baby after another despite of her condition, or the worst case scenario, that little children are left motherless, will cause public backlash. You might be able to sell a bunch of hard-core fundies that a woman died while she fulfilled her God-given role in having as many babies as she possibly could. But "regular" fans, who got to know and love Erin in the show, won't take that justification well.

[nokidsmom]

As cynical as it sounds, now that the family is in the public eye, they have to be careful with their image. News that Erins health is ruined by having one baby after another despite of her condition, or the worst case scenario, that little children are left motherless, will cause public backlash. You might be able to sell a bunch of hard-core fundies that a woman died while she fulfilled her God-given role in having as many babies as she possibly could. But "regular" fans, who got to know and love Erin in the show, won't take that justification well.

Agree about maintaining their image with their fans and Kelly in particular is pretty saavy in presenting the family in a in a more likeable, positive light. They are not going to risk negative reactions and I will throw out another cynical reason: they need the money from the show.

However, this experience with trying to conceive and finding out Erin had a clotting disorder was not something they expected to happen. Now they have had to experience the emotional pain of miscarriages, Erin undergoing treatment so she could maintain the pregnancy, and even then were some serious risks associated with the birth which fortunately did not happen. No doubt they were worried about how things were going to turn out; the looks on their faces not only show elation but relief that the little guy arrived safely IMHO.

I would think that docs will strongly advise practicing some sort of BC. Considering what they just went through, they may not need much convincing. Chad is not the type to want to risk Erin's health and no doubt this experience has challenged the idea of having babies no matter what the risks. I think he would rather have one kid and a healthy mom rather than a bunch of kids with an unhealthy mom or worse, no mom at all.

[August]

Whyis no one talking about condoms? They're a very very effective form of birth control, and while I'm sure fundies hate them, they certainly either prevent conception completely or allow a normal pregnancy.

The 'typical use' failure rate for condoms includes those who don'tuse them at all, but do have a box somewhere in the basement.

I doubt that Chad and Erin will use birth control. They seem quite lovely and sweet but both were raised with strongly fundie principles and neither has shown any indication that they are not true believers. I think their doctor will probably go over birth control options as it is pretty standard to ask what birth control- if any the mother plans to use - however I doubt Erin or Chad will choose to use any . She had multiple miscarriages in a very short time and was diagnosed with a clotting disorder and neither she or Chad declined to stop trying to get pregnant. Indeed she got pregnant with her son very shortly after what looked to be a traumatic miscarriage. If she or any future child dies Chad will mourn deeply but almost certainly claim it is God's will.

I think they are a lovely young family and I wish them the best but they are from a deeply fundie family/culture and so it would not surprise me at all if Erin is pregnant again in a very short time.

The risks involved in trying to have your first or second child are not the same as trying to have your sixth or sixteenth. Women with clotting issues on heparin during preganacy are a dime a dozen. Their decision making seems to be about sustaining the pregnancy and ensuring they're not bleeding during delivery, not about whether pregnancy is an unacceptible risk.

The prospect of leaving your children motherless is different than dying trying to become a mother.

[Georgiana]

I'm not so sure that Erin and Chad are still on the "God will make everything perfect if you just live your life perfect" train.

After all, they did everything right. They were the PERFECT fundie couple. No touching for 3 years, perfect wedding, perfect marriage. God was supposed to bless them!

Instead, they suffered through multiple miscarriages and infertility. Even for someone NOT raised in the ATI mindset, infertility will really make you take a good, hard look at things and really question stuff. I would be really surprised if on some level, it didn't make them re-examine their beliefs.

I think that on many levels, they have accepted the medical reality of Erin's condition. I think they've already realized that building their family will not be all roses and Jesus like they once thought it would be. I think that they've realized that their previous beliefs didn't prepare them at all for this, and I think on some level, they realized that just trusting God didn't work...but trusting a doctor did.

Mostly though, I don't buy that Chad loves the quiverfull ideal more than he loves Erin and Carson. I don't think Gil and Kelly love their dogma more than they love their daughter. I think that if a doctor they trust (like Dr. Paine) is able to sell them on some form of BC by making it less objectionable to their values, I think there's a good chance they may use it.

[nokidsmom]

I'm not so sure that Erin and Chad are still on the "God will make everything perfect if you just live your life perfect" train.

After all, they did everything right. They were the PERFECT fundie couple. No touching for 3 years, perfect wedding, perfect marriage. God was supposed to bless them!

Instead, they suffered through multiple miscarriages and infertility. Even for someone NOT raised in the ATI mindset, infertility will really make you take a good, hard look at things and really question stuff. I would be really surprised if on some level, it didn't make them re-examine their beliefs.

I think that on many levels, they have accepted the medical reality of Erin's condition. I think they've already realized that building their family will not be all roses and Jesus like they once thought it would be. I think that they've realized that their previous beliefs didn't prepare them at all for this, and I think on some level, they realized that just trusting God didn't work...but trusting a doctor did.

Mostly though, I don't buy that Chad loves the quiverfull ideal more than he loves Erin and Carson. I don't think Gil and Kelly love their dogma more than they love their daughter. I think that if a doctor they trust (like Dr. Paine) is able to sell them on some form of BC by making it less objectionable to their values, I think there's a good chance they may use it.

Agree. Also Gil and Kelly have been known to adjust their beliefs / attitudes when something doesn't quite work out as planned, such as in Zach's failed courtship.

[Dandruff]

I'm not so sure that Erin and Chad are still on the "God will make everything perfect if you just live your life perfect" train.

After all, they did everything right. They were the PERFECT fundie couple. No touching for 3 years, perfect wedding, perfect marriage. God was supposed to bless them!

Instead, they suffered through multiple miscarriages and infertility. Even for someone NOT raised in the ATI mindset, infertility will really make you take a good, hard look at things and really question stuff. I would be really surprised if on some level, it didn't make them re-examine their beliefs.

I think that on many levels, they have accepted the medical reality of Erin's condition. I think they've already realized that building their family will not be all roses and Jesus like they once thought it would be. I think that they've realized that their previous beliefs didn't prepare them at all for this, and I think on some level, they realized that just trusting God didn't work...but trusting a doctor did.

Mostly though, I don't buy that Chad loves the quiverfull ideal more than he loves Erin and Carson. I don't think Gil and Kelly love their dogma more than they love their daughter. I think that if a doctor they trust (like Dr. Paine) is able to sell them on some form of BC by making it less objectionable to their values, I think there's a good chance they may use it.

Totally agree. I doubt they could have been more perfect or prayed harder than when Erin was having the miscarriages, and they still needed a doctor. My guess is that they'll use some BC and have, at most, three more babies spaced 2-3 years apart.

I think Erin was induced. Baby was born at 10:10 PM and I didn't see any IVs in the pictures so far.

[mango_fandango]

Agree. Also Gil and Kelly have been known to adjust their beliefs / attitudes when something doesn't quite work out as planned, such as in Zach's failed courtship.

Exactly. And Gil and Kelly seem to be OK with Alyssa wearing pants. They said somewhere that when their kids are still in the family home, they have to abide by the rules, but once they're married and out of the house, they can be trusted to make their own rules. Yes, Alyssa's wearing pants and sleeveless tank tops which is huge in the fundie world, but she is still mostly covered. She's not into tube tops/crop tops and ass-skimming shorts.

[FoxyMoxie]

Whyis no one talking about condoms? They're a very very effective form of birth control, and while I'm sure fundies hate them, they certainly either prevent conception completely or allow a normal pregnancy.

The 'typical use' failure rate for condoms includes those who don'tuse them at all, but do have a box somewhere in the basement.

The risks involved in trying to have your first or second child are not the same as trying to have your sixth or sixteenth. Women with clotting issues on heparin during preganacy are a dime a dozen. Their decision making seems to be about sustaining the pregnancy and ensuring they're not bleeding during delivery, not about whether pregnancy is an unacceptible risk.

The prospect of leaving your children motherless is different than dying trying to become a mother.

Condoms have been mentioned. Also some people use barrier methods like condoms during fertile periods and NFP the rest of the time. However as has been mentioned, condom use risks discovery - it only takes one curious younger sibling or nibling to open the bathroom cabinet! If they want to use contraception secretly, NFP is going to be the easiest to get away with.

[nokidsmom]

One thing I have noticed and it's just an observation, not a criticism of posters who have mentioned this, is what method can be used without risk of "discovery". It just has me wondering that even a fundie married couple cannot have privacy in this area, either because of a sibling helping out finding such "evidence" in their home and / or the lack of proper boundaries where family members actually are privy to this sort of thing. Similar to some of our famous fundies charting Mom's periods and praying for the next baby. It's just odd to me that this sort of thing can be considered a family affair, that a couple reproductive and BC choices are well, family business.

Just an observation.

[halcionne]

One thing I have noticed and it's just an observation, not a criticism of posters who have mentioned this, is what method can be used without risk of "discovery". It just has me wondering that even a fundie married couple cannot have privacy in this area, either because of a sibling helping out finding such "evidence" in their home and / or the lack of proper boundaries where family members actually are privy to this sort of thing. Similar to some of our famous fundies charting Mom's periods and praying for the next baby. It's just odd to me that this sort of thing can be considered a family affair, that a couple reproductive and BC choices are well, family business.

Just an observation.

I was noticing that, too, and I it's super dysfunctional and not normal.

[iknowright]

They're an attractive couple and have certainly endured hardships. Most couples would take the physician's advice and not actively seek pregnancy and space their children apart purposefully.

But this IS fundie royalty here. I believe BOTH Erin's and Chad's fathers serve on the board for IBLP. I just don't see too many of these second generation fundies walking away from the mother ship while the cameras are rolling. I know people find the Paines and Bates more palatable than the Duggars simply because the aloof and conceit factors are missing, but their core beliefs are; 1) Seek righteous living and biblical understanding a la Gothard 2) When questioning life situations, see rule number one.

I'm very happy for safe deliveries of the fundie girls one and all, but childbirth is NOT going to open their eyes to the dark side of Gothardism.

Maybe years down the road when the shows have been off of the air, but not yet.

[Buzzard]

I was noticing that, too, and I it's super dysfunctional and not normal.

Family is one possibility, locals are another. Unless they buy stuff online (which could result in some interesting google ads), there is a chance that they could be recognized buying stuff at a store. A simple snap of an iphone and suddenly the whole world knows.