Sarah Maxwell

[Justme]

Her dh is an engineer and she has a degree in psychology,

(From one of the reviews in the above link)

What?!?! Teri studies PSYCHOLOGY and she allows this shit to happen to her kids?! :angry-banghead:

[ILoveJellybeans]

Teri has a degree in psychology? I guess she used her powers for evil then, and figured out the best way to psychologically destroy another human being and make them end up like Sarah.

And if she didn't have a say in what happened to her poor children, how could she not recognise what is going on and see that what her husband is doing is really fucking up her kids and they will need years of therapy to learn the basics of how to be a human being.

[twin2]

As I ponder all that surrounded His death and resurrection, I think of His goodness. Jesus cares for us. He is burdened with our burdens. Think about the Marys. Jesus didn’t have to send an angel to tell them, but He did.

Whaaaaat?

I have read many a strange things on fundie blogs, but that is just one of the oddest things I think I have ever read.

[thoughtful]

The graduation post still has the wrong date.

Get with it, Steve.

[PrairieGirl]

The graduation post still has the wrong date.

Get with it, Steve.

Did she graduate on Friday the 13th? Maybe that is the reason for the not-change. Perhaps Steve is secretly superstitious. :character-smurfguy: :character-smurfgrandpa:

Or maybe he doesn't like it when we here at FJ point out his errors and then squeal with delight when they are fixed 4 seconds later.

Eta:I couldn't find a black cat smiley, so I figured a smurf was evil enough. As a young fundy, I was taught to believe those adorable blue creatures were the minions of Satan, so I'm assuming Steve believes that as well.

[thoughtful]

Did she graduate on Friday the 13th? Maybe that is the reason for the not-change. Perhaps Steve is secretly superstitious. :character-smurfguy: :character-smurfgrandpa:

I wondered about that on the thread on which someone originally pointed it out.

If so, it shows a lack of faith in God to be superstitious, doesn't it, Steve?

ETA -- I do actually think it was a genuine error, or the post would have said "Thursday the 12th," not Friday. I'm just being silly about Steve's not correcting it, seeing how he's perfect and Godly and all. ;)

[IReallyAmHopewell]

Sarah also watched her mother struggle with untreated depression while having more and more children and caring for a demanding, controlling, and occasionally childish husband.

I'm not sure married life seems that wonderful to her.

I totally agree. She was the one who had to keep the family going when Terri couldn't. She may not care that she is unmarried. BUT, I also agree with the poster who said Steve could announce an engagement out of nowhere. There is a book, Catch a Falling Star, by Beth Vogt that tells the fictionalized story of a "Sarah" who at 30-something asks her parents to find her a husband.....

[clese]

Just read Alyssa comment. Lol lol

[kpmom]

Just read Alyssa comment. Lol lol

Is "inspiringly" (in Alyssa's comment) a word?

[WonderingInWA]

Is "inspiringly" (in Alyssa's comment) a word?

I don't think so, but Sarah won't know the difference.

[nokidsmom]

I totally agree. She was the one who had to keep the family going when Terri couldn't. She may not care that she is unmarried. BUT, I also agree with the poster who said Steve could announce an engagement out of nowhere. There is a book, Catch a Falling Star, by Beth Vogt that tells the fictionalized story of a "Sarah" who at 30-something asks her parents to find her a husband.....

I can see both possibilities also. Sarah would have had a front row seat to Teri's depression issues, keeping things going in the household and probably had to deal directly with her dad in Teri's place at times. Teri's depression would have certainly not been helped by her husband's demands and attitudes, wonder if Sarah figured that one out as well.

Given that Steveovah was able to keep Joseph's engagement to Elissa completely off the radar until just before the wedding, I see it very likely he will do the same with his other kids, Sarah included. Steveovah, will not, absolutely will not, abide another repeat of the Liz Munck debacle.

However, it's a much different deal for his sons to marry than for his daughters. It's a 100% given than sons will remain near the Maxhell compound, the wives will move and live there, Steveovah does not have to let his son out of his reach, problem solved. For a daughter, it's a much different deal for them to move away to be with their husbands. Steveovah has to let go in that case and it's pretty obvious he has not been able to do that, because if he really could, chances are decent there would have been married daughters by now. I think Steve can't help but put a lot more obstacles in the way of a suitor for a daughter because he can't stand the idea of any of his kids moving away, but it's really with the daughters that he has to worry about that. There's more issues in terms of logistics (moving to unfamiliar area, starting over) and ideology (headship, patriarchy) for a potential son-in-law. I still think Steveovah has run off a number of guys, though I suspect that in the case of John Marie, assuming he was interested in one of the daughters, he might have actually given up.

However, one never knows. Maybe there will be someone for Sarah. Joseph managed to marry someone who turned out to have the same ideas of family insularity as the Maxwells. Yes, Steveovah actually managed to find someone who thought the same way.

[goldbu]

Ever since the surprise Joseph/Elissa wedding, I've just assumed that there has been 1-2 other failed courtships that were never publicly announced.

[nokidsmom]

Ever since the surprise Joseph/Elissa wedding, I've just assumed that there has been 1-2 other failed courtships that were never publicly announced.

That may be the case. I would like to bet that there's been far more potential courtships that have failed to launch, especially with the daughters, both before and after the surprise wedding. I don't think for a minute that Sarah has not had a few potential suitors that have walked away disappointed.

[Trynn]

Wow. Just watched that video of Sarah describing the moody books.. And I kind of want to cry because holy shit that girl is so screwed. The sentences she was saying didn t even seem to have anything to do with each other.

[kaschmit]

Wow. Just watched that video of Sarah describing the moody books.. And I kind of want to cry because holy shit that girl is so screwed. The sentences she was saying didn t even seem to have anything to do with each other.

I mean.... yeah shes in her 30s and talks like a little girl. And the copy is a little Maxwellian, and those two things are a bit unsettling, but the sentences make sense, even if they are weird... She doesn't sound like, mentally defunct. Just childish.

[salex]

She thinks the books would be suitable for readers 7 to teen age and that if they are read aloud they would hold the attention of kids from age 4 to teen age.

Imagine how much fun it would be to be reading these books at 13 or 15?

I was reading Johnny Got His GUn, Sybil and (not sure mom realized it) Portnoy's Complaint when i was about 12-14 And Shakespeare plays.. and Lord of the Rings.

Somehow, A very Moody Summer doesn't' seem like it would have held my interest.

[nomoxian]

I agree that she sounds childish... and Stevehova would take that as a compliment!

HEY STEVE. Your "kid" is older than I am and has nothing of value to show for herself. That has nothing to do with her and everything to do with you. You are the reason your adult daughter is unmarried and uneducated. You are the reason she is, even in your fundie circles, not seen as desirable. You are a failure and you have forced your offspring to follow in your direction. I'd say "I hope you're happy" but that's probably just as sinful as having fun. You're a

[nomoxian]

She thinks the books would be suitable for readers 7 to teen age and that if they are read aloud they would hold the attention of kids from age 4 to teen age.

Imagine how much fun it would be to be reading these books at 13 or 15?

I was reading Johnny Got His GUn, Sybil and (not sure mom realized it) Portnoy's Complaint when i was about 12-14 And Shakespeare plays.. and Lord of the Rings.

Somehow, A very Moody Summer doesn't' seem like it would have held my interest.

I remember reading Animal Farm in 6th grade and The Odyssey not too long after that... I doubt Sarah even knows about these classics :(

If a young teen wants to read a book with "younger" content, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but most novels that are aimed at 7 year olds are not said to be equally OK for teens to read. They aren't placed in the same section at the library (not that Steve would ever go to a heathen place like that - and with *free* books!) and no decent teacher would teach a first grade class using the same book as a middle school class.

HEY STEVE. You are doing a disservice to your customers by trying to push a kids book as a young adult novel. :penguin-no:

[gustava]

i think that every time we criticize Stevehovah directly, he's more convinced he's doing something right.

Perhaps we are wrong ourselves in not truly understanding the value of protecting one's children, especially the daughters. After all, Sarah was apparently severely traumatized by a sleepover when she was a young teen. To Steve, marriage is simply an extended sleepover, and he's protecting Sarah from further trauma.

[ILoveJellybeans]

She thinks the books would be suitable for readers 7 to teen age and that if they are read aloud they would hold the attention of kids from age 4 to teen age.

Imagine how much fun it would be to be reading these books at 13 or 15?

I was reading Johnny Got His GUn, Sybil and (not sure mom realized it) Portnoy's Complaint when i was about 12-14 And Shakespeare plays.. and Lord of the Rings.

Somehow, A very Moody Summer doesn't' seem like it would have held my interest.

The Maxwells don't understand what real teenagers are like, because Steve stopped their development before they reached that age. Sarah is about 32? If she got pregnant at 18 she could be the parent of a teenager by now, but if you put her in a room with real teenagers she would be awkward and unable to socialise with them because she is not mature enough. Sometimes it kinda weirds me out that Sarah is older than me by quite a lot. I remember when my mom was 32. And yet I think of her as a child.

By teenagers she probably means up to any age as long as they aren't married, because sex gives you all the knowledge of the universe and the maturity to be a parent, whether youre married at 18 or 30.

There doesn't seem to be much for fundie teenagers. Fundie kids have more books than fundie teenagers, as most childrens books aren't exploring issues that fundies wouldn't approve of, they are as inoffensive as possible. All of the things teenagers usually read about, which relate to their lives are seen as inappropriate for fundie teenagers because they don't want their kids reading about relationships and dealing with the issues normal teenagers do. All of the toys on Vision Forum were aimed at kids, but once they get too old for playing with dolls and toy swords, what do they do? Regular teenagers listen to music, go to friends houses, play sports, watch TV, play video games...but fundie kids aren't allowed those things, so fundie teenagers end up either playing with kids stuff or raising their parents kids. Parents aren't allowed to leave some of their kids with a babysitter so they can just take the older ones out, so all of their trips are suitable for their young siblings, so are too babyish for the teens.

[Jana814]

Ever since the surprise Joseph/Elissa wedding, I've just assumed that there has been 1-2 other failed courtships that were never publicly announced.

Same here!

[anjulibai]

Yeah, I too believe there have been other courtships. Given how well known there are, it seems highly likely they have had many guys interested and girls that they thought might do for some son or another.

[HoneyBunny]

i think that every time we criticize Stevehovah directly, he's more convinced he's doing something right.

Perhaps we are wrong ourselves in not truly understanding the value of protecting one's children, especially the daughters. After all, Sarah was apparently severely traumatized by a sleepover when she was a young teen. To Steve, marriage is simply an extended sleepover, and he's protecting Sarah from further trauma.

What could possibly have happened that so traumatized Sarah? You know that there is no chance that her parents sent her to a friend's house without first interrogating the parents. I'm sure that there were no older brothers hanging around; heck, I bet there were no brothers of any age in the house. I'm sure they were all good Christian girls, probably homeschooled. Understanding that things can happen in any family, I just don't get the feeling that something as truly awful as sexual abuse is what happened. I'm thinking it was more along the lines of watching the Beast or having a conversation about boys and/or sex, as tweens are wont to do. How sheltered is Sarah that such a thing would leave her traumatized 20 years later?

[nomoxian]

What could possibly have happened that so traumatized Sarah? You know that there is no chance that her parents sent her to a friend's house without first interrogating the parents. I'm sure that there were no older brothers hanging around; heck, I bet there were no brothers of any age in the house. I'm sure they were all good Christian girls, probably homeschooled. Understanding that things can happen in any family, I just don't get the feeling that something as truly awful as sexual abuse is what happened. I'm thinking it was more along the lines of watching the Beast or having a conversation about boys and/or sex, as tweens are wont to do. How sheltered is Sarah that such a thing would leave her traumatized 20 years later?

I think any trauma that arose and persisted was perpetuated by Steve.

And of course he thinks he's right. He's practically God! :worship: We should all worship Him and His wonderfulness by driving up the 1 tonne ramp, taking a course or three, and buying some books to read in between church at the old folks home and bean burrito supper.

[ILoveJellybeans]

What could possibly have happened that so traumatized Sarah? You know that there is no chance that her parents sent her to a friend's house without first interrogating the parents. I'm sure that there were no older brothers hanging around; heck, I bet there were no brothers of any age in the house. I'm sure they were all good Christian girls, probably homeschooled. Understanding that things can happen in any family, I just don't get the feeling that something as truly awful as sexual abuse is what happened. I'm thinking it was more along the lines of watching the Beast or having a conversation about boys and/or sex, as tweens are wont to do. How sheltered is Sarah that such a thing would leave her traumatized 20 years later?

They've never said what it was, but I bet it was something minor, like talking about crushes, or maybe a kid was mean to her, but Steve made a big deal out of it and got her really worked up about it and now her memories are so distorted that it seems so big and scary.