Teen Michelle defrauding neighbor in her bikini.

[SassyPants]

I'm going to hazard a guess that the reason the neighbor has never come forward is because by the time the Duggars became news, the neighbors were too old to care and likely have never made the connection.

She would have mowing the lawn in her bikini in what, 1982-ish and earlier? That's over 20 years before the first special, and it would have been nearly thirty years post-bikini lawn mowing before the Duggars became a household name. I've always had the impression the neighbors were middle aged when Michelle knew them.

I could be wrong, but if the woman was 40 when Michelle knew her, then she was nearly 70 by the time the Duggars were popular--and most people I've known that age aren't too preoccupied with reality tv. Even if she is, she may never have known Michelle's name or cared enough to memorize the details I her face.

I meant at the time of the divorce. If bikini wearing, lawn mowing Michelle was the catalyst for the divorce, why didn't the man in question pursue Michelle at that time (or why haven't we heard that he did)?

[txmommyof4]

I meant at the time of the divorce. If bikini wearing, lawn mowing Michelle was the catalyst for the divorce, why didn't the man in question pursue Michelle at that time (or why haven't we heard that he did)?

I would imagine that, if she was just a seriously underage romp to stoke his ego, he would just be glad all he got was a divorce and no jail time. I can see him just quietly slipping away and considering himself lucky. Then Jim Bob slithers in and can't believe his good fortune. He's got the perfect tool to start his lifetime of controlling his woman.

[SassyPants]

I cannot decide whether or not JB would have settled for "damaged goods"? :wink-kitty:

[doggie]

I cannot decide whether or not JB would have settled for "damaged goods"? :wink-kitty:

he I am sure was a randy goat desperate for godly humping michelle was the best he could convert.

[CorruptionInc.]

he I am sure was a randy goat desperate for godly humping michelle was the best he could convert.

I'm with Doggie - JB didn't exactly win the lottery with Mullet.

[txmommyof4]

I'm with Doggie - JB didn't exactly win the lottery with Mullet.

He thinks he did! She was a typical 80's era backwoods Arkansas cheerleader. A LOT of them left much to be desired but were. ..well, convenient for horny males. Her being damaged goods would have made it that much easier for Jim Bob.

[CorruptionInc.]

He thinks he did! She was a typical 80's era backwoods Arkansas cheerleader. A LOT of them left much to be desired but were. ..well, convenient for horny males. Her being damaged goods would have made it that much easier for Jim Bob.

I see Mullet as a "that'll do" answer. There is no way JB would've got female attention.

I may be an adult, but JB is eww! :ew:

[SnowShine]

I would imagine that, if she was just a seriously underage romp to stoke his ego, he would just be glad all he got was a divorce and no jail time. I can see him just quietly slipping away and considering himself lucky. Then Jim Bob slithers in and can't believe his good fortune. He's got the perfect tool to start his lifetime of controlling his woman.

Txmommy: I I was making the assumption in my original post that Michelle lived next to two people with a troubled marriage that didn't care too much about her (or her bikini bod :) ) to begin with. I realize I could be very wrong and that the possibilities range from "neither knew nor cared"

to what SassyPants said (which, if correct could go a long way toward explaining a lot about Michelle's mega-obsession with purity for her kids).

[txmommyof4]

Txmommy: I I was making the assumption in my original post that Michelle lived next to two people with a troubled marriage that didn't care too much about her (or her bikini bod :) ) to begin with. I realize I could be very wrong and that the possibilities range from "neither knew nor cared"

to what SassyPants said (which, if correct could go a long way toward explaining a lot about Michelle's mega-obsession with purity for her kids).

Yes, I understood your post? However my assumption remains the same. I think something more happened. I think there is a very good chance that she made sure he noticed and they had sex. That is why I said that IF my scenario is the correct one, and it could easily be, he probably had no desire for further contact.

[SnowShine]

I'm of two minds about it.

I largely think that if she was factor in their divorce, there would be some sort of paper trail. Granted, she would have been a minor, so such records would be sealed, but I almost think that if she had any thing to do with it, someone would have dug something a little more concrete up by now. That's why I mostly think that if the family does know of the Duggars, they haven't connected frumpy Michelle Duggar to NIKE! Michelle Ruark.

That said, I can see the possibility that anything from flirting to consensual sex to rape happened (which, like others have said, would explain a lot about Michelle). The main problem I see with that is that the Duggars seem to enjoying airing their dirty linens in public, and if Michelle hadn't been a virgin when she married JB, I can see them exploiting that for whatever they could get.

[eri]

If Michelle definitively caused the divorce, the ex-husband was a pedophile (or the wife was delusional and jealous). However, Michelle's conclusion is probably not true.

The idea that JB guilted her into that conclusion is interesting. We do know that they were dating during the time period when Michelle was mowing in her bikini.

Sad that the insecure ramblings of a young idiot like teen-JB stuck with her so many years, if that is the case.

[lilith]

If Michelle definitively caused the divorce, the ex-husband was a pedophile (or the wife was delusional and jealous). However, Michelle's conclusion is probably not true.

The idea that JB guilted her into that conclusion is interesting. We do know that they were dating during the time period when Michelle was mowing in her bikini.

Sad that the insecure ramblings of a young idiot like teen-JB stuck with her so many years, if that is the case.

Not that I believe the whole "defrauded the neighbour into divorce" theory, but the husband next door checking out the post pubescent teenage girl mowing the lawn next door would NOT make him a paedophile. A creep, certainly, but a paedophile is, by definition, someone attracted to pre pubescent children. Michelle was not pre pubescent.

It bothers me that society is constantly expanding the colloquial definition of paedophilia. Real, acted upon paedophilia is horrific. Watching the mid to late teen girl next door mow the lawn in a bikini doesn't qualify.

[eri]

Not that I believe the whole "defrauded the neighbour into divorce" theory, but the husband next door checking out the post pubescent teenage girl mowing the lawn next door would NOT make him a paedophile. A creep, certainly, but a paedophile is, by definition, someone attracted to pre pubescent children. Michelle was not pre pubescent.

It bothers me that society is constantly expanding the colloquial definition of paedophilia. Real, acted upon paedophilia is horrific. Watching the mid to late teen girl next door mow the lawn in a bikini doesn't qualify.

Sorry, but a middle aged man being attracted to a very young looking woman is creepy. If it isn't pedophilia, what the hell is it? Call it sex predator behavior, then.

Are you really trying to make a distinction between pedopihiles and sexual predators? Sounds semantic to me.

[lilith]

Sorry, but a middle aged man being attracted to a very young looking woman is creepy. If it isn't pedophilia, what the hell is it?

It's creepy. It's not, however, the same as being sexually attracted to children.

[eri]

It's creepy. It's not, however, the same as being sexually attracted to children.

That's fine if you're nit-picking definitions, but my point that it is creepy and inappropriate still stands

It really bothers me that people aren't held accountable for their non-consensual attractions.

[txmommyof4]

While a grown man is not legally allowed to have sex with a teenage girl (and shouldn't be), being attracted to a fully developed female is in no way pedophilia. Not even close. It's also not non consentual if she agreed too It or perhaps even initiated it. Yes it's disgusting. Yes it's wrong. None of that makes it something it clearly is not.

[eh02]

While a grown man is not legally allowed to have sex with a teenage girl (and shouldn't be), being attracted to a fully developed female is in no way pedophilia. Not even close. It's also not non consentual if she agreed too It or perhaps even initiated it. Yes it's disgusting. Yes it's wrong. None of that makes it something it clearly is not.

The pedophilia part of this is true. Being attracted to a 16 year old is clearly worlds different than being attracted to a 6 year old. Of course, many men who actively try to have sex with underage but pubescent teenage girls have other problems - many are probably manipulative at best, or abusive at worst, and look for vulnerable girls to have sex with. Not pedophilia, but still illegal, still predatory, still not OK.

As far as consent - legally, IF a teenage Michelle had sex with her adult neighbor (and I really, really doubt she did), there's a possibility Michelle would have been too young to legally give consent, period. It doesn't really matter if a 15 year old thinks she wants to have sex with a 40 year old man. You can't legally give consent at that age. So it really still is non-consensual.

[lilith]

That's fine if you're nit-picking definitions, but my point that it is creepy and inappropriate still stands

It really bothers me that people aren't held accountable for their non-consensual attractions.

How on earth could anyone be "held accountable for their non consensual attractions"? You can't request somebody's consent before choosing whether or not to find them attractive, and people can't choose who or what they are attracted to. Acting upon any attraction is a whole other matter, of course, and requires explicit consent and the ability to do so from both parties.

A man perving on the teenage girl next door while she mows the lawn though? He's accountable to himself and his conscience, his wife and the boundaries of their relationship, and to the teen (if she notices and finds it uncomfortable and asks him to stop he should respect that). I'm not sure who else you're expecting to hold him accountable.

[Cleopatra7]

I get the feeling that if Michelle had really had some kind of physical relationship with the neighbor that we would have heard about it. As other people have mentioned, fundies like to one-up each other with their "testimonies" by humble bragging about how sinful they were in their pre-saved life. The story of a promiscuous teen who slept with an older married man but saw the light (thanks to pious Christian teen JB) and become a modest quiverfull wife would be too good to pass up. Since we haven't heard anything of the sort, a more likely scenario is that Michelle is just plain narcissistic and thinks that all men are lusting after her. That and/or she takes the modesty doctrine to its most (il)logical conclusion by assuming that the fact that this man may have looked at her in a bikini obviously contributed to his divorce. Both JB and Michelle strike me as people who imagine all kinds of wild scenarios to justify their extreme ideology.

[CorruptionInc.]

I get the feeling that if Michelle had really had some kind of physical relationship with the neighbor that we would have heard about it. As other people have mentioned, fundies like to one-up each other with their "testimonies" by humble bragging about how sinful they were in their pre-saved life. The story of a promiscuous teen who slept with an older married man but saw the light (thanks to pious Christian teen JB) and become a modest quiverfull wife would be too good to pass up. Since we haven't heard anything of the sort, a more likely scenario is that Michelle is just plain narcissistic and thinks that all men are lusting after her. That and/or she takes the modesty doctrine to its most (il)logical conclusion by assuming that the fact that this man may have looked at her in a bikini obviously contributed to his divorce. Both JB and Michelle strike me as people who imagine all kinds of wild scenarios to justify their extreme ideology.

Cleo is on the money here, these people are shameless and if there was a relationship between the neighbour and Mullet of that description, we would most certainly know. I think it's literally the best Mullet could come up with to prove she was "saved"; or TLC made it up; or JB guilted her in to thinking mowing in a bikini was an issue.

[SassyPants]

Cleo is on the money here, these people are shameless and if there was a relationship between the neighbour and Mullet of that description, we would most certainly know. I think it's literally the best Mullet could come up with to prove she was "saved"; or TLC made it up; or JB guilted her in to thinking mowing in a bikini was an issue.

I also agree.

[roddma]

The pedophilia part of this is true. Being attracted to a 16 year old is clearly worlds different than being attracted to a 6 year old. Of course, many men who actively try to have sex with underage but pubescent teenage girls have other problems - many are probably manipulative at best, or abusive at worst, and look for vulnerable girls to have sex with. Not pedophilia, but still illegal, still predatory, still not OK.

As far as consent - legally, IF a teenage Michelle had sex with her adult neighbor (and I really, really doubt she did), there's a possibility Michelle would have been too young to legally give consent, period. It doesn't really matter if a 15 year old thinks she wants to have sex with a 40 year old man. You can't legally give consent at that age. So it really still is non-consensual.

In Tennessee, it is statutory rape if an adult is 4 or more years older than the minor . It is child rape if they child is 12 regardless of consent. Here s Arkansas's laws:

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/re ... e-laws.htm

It may sound creepy but just admiring underage teens isn't criminal.

[zz22zz]

I babysat a lot from age 12-22 so I have a lot of experience with married men being creepy towards teens. Nothing ever happened but some of them sure were letting me know the door was WIDE OPEN if I would like to step inside.

I'm guessing as part of her confessing her sins she told JB this neighbor would come up and talk to her while she mowed the lawn and was flirty and sometimes his wife would come out and say "Billy Bob now wat you doin' talking to that child (meaning hussy) again, I done told you git in the house' and as she closed the screen door she glared at Michelle. She also may have told Michelle "stop mowing your grass half naked I'm tired of dragging my husband back in to our house' thus why Michelle feels she "hated her". JB may even witnessed all this while they were dating.

Anywho couple eventually divorces, JB uses this against Michelle then or some point later in an effort to make her dress modestly and it does make a handy "top this" testimony for their fundy friends.

It goes along with the ATI activity they do with teens at their conferences... take a cup have the first kid spit in it, pass it along to next kid spit, pass it along spit....and so on.... until it reaches the last kid in the room (overflowing with spit, yum!!!) then the speaker asks the last kid to drink it. When all the kids freak out with ewww the speaker tells them that is why you never even kiss outside of marriage because that is like drinking the spit of everyone that person ever kissed and with magic of multiplication if they kissed 10 people prior who kissed 10 people prior to kissing them is the same as drinking a cup of spit from 100 people!!!! If I remember right the Duggar who wound up with the spit cup (cause they were in the back since they were running on Duggar time) was Jana. Which explains A LOT!

p.s. JB and Jchelle have admitted to "being way more physical before marriage than they should have"...not sure if that included sex but there are pics of them kissing.

[Toothfairy]

I wonder what JB did before he married Michelle. He was probably the kind of guy in high school who didn't get any girls to accept him. His ego is bruised. Then he meets Michelle and guilts her with her past.

[JaCrispy]

Mullet is insane or mentally ill as many others here have already said,the fact that she seriously would think that because she wore a bikini and her nextdoor neighbor saw her, "lusted after her" and then divorced his wife, is so completely nuts!!! But that's Mullet for you, I wonder in her and the Boob even know any other positions but missionary?! :?