Jinger and Joseph's relationship

[KelseyAnn]

This is my very first time posting, so I apologize if I'm doing it incorrectly.

I just wanted to point out that Jinger seems to have an odd relationship with Joseph? I think.

It just seems odd to me that Michelle and JimBob would allow them to be that close, seeing as they don't even allow front hugs between siblings.

It just seems bizarre that Jinger calls him 'her man.' and things like that.

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

This is my very first time posting, so I apologize if I'm doing it incorrectly.

I just wanted to point out that Jinger seems to have an odd relationship with Joseph? I think.

It just seems odd to me that Michelle and JimBob would allow them to be that close, seeing as they don't even allow front hugs between siblings.

It just seems bizarre that Jinger calls him 'her man.' and things like that.

Are you insinuating theres incest? Cause I REALLY am not comfortable with that insinuation.

I think its a harmless nickname not unlike my sister and brother claiming they're "the same person." And why the hell wouldn't siblings be allowed to be close friends just because they're brother and sister!?

[Kira]

This isn't the first time someone has called Jinger and Joseph's relationship "bizarre". A couple of years ago there were accusations of incest :roll:

[KelseyAnn]

No, I would never imply incest! Ever!

What I'm saying is that it seems odd that they speak that way to each other.

When he left for Alert, she was so upset.

And didn't she call him sexy once?

[snarkykitty]

What a weird first and second post.

[Milly-Molly-Mandy]

I'm going to assume your not a troll.

I think they are just close and as they don't watch tv etc they are not aware they sound more like bf & gf.

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

No, I would never imply incest! Ever!

What I'm saying is that it seems odd that they speak that way to each other.

When he left for Alert, she was so upset.

And didn't she call him sexy once?

Okay so what are you implying then? I mean you're treating it like there's a sexual element. And a sexual element would mean incest. So if you don't mean incest, what are you getting at?

[DGayle]

They're both legal adults, so I don't feel so squicky saying something.

I don't think there's a chance for anything sexual going on between Jinger and Joseph, which would be incest. Too many cameras. Doesn't mean they don't have romantic feelings for each other. We know the way fundies are raised to see love is pretty fucked up.

But I do think there's a high chance that some of the fundy families without cameras on their every move having siblings who are a bit closer, in a sexual way, because they're not allowed to do anything when their hormones race except pray the tickles away. We already know there's an uncomfortable amount of worship placed on "purity" and "not giving your heart away," but the loophole is you can love your siblings. If you can love your siblings, have hormones going crazy, and there's someone you can identify with who you're allowed to love, then just how often do you think fundy siblings are hooking up because it's the only thing they think they can do?

[KelseyAnn]

They're both legal adults, so I don't feel so squicky saying something.

I don't think there's a chance for anything sexual going on between Jinger and Joseph, which would be incest. Too many cameras. Doesn't mean they don't have romantic feelings for each other. We know the way fundies are raised to see love is pretty fucked up.

But I do think there's a high chance that some of the fundy families without cameras on their every move having siblings who are a bit closer, in a sexual way, because they're not allowed to do anything when their hormones race except pray the tickles away. We already know there's an uncomfortable amount of worship placed on "purity" and "not giving your heart away," but the loophole is you can love your siblings. If you can love your siblings, have hormones going crazy, and there's someone you can identify with who you're allowed to love, then just how often do you think fundy siblings are hooking up because it's the only thing they think they can do?

That's the point I was trying to make. I didn't intend to sound like I was accusing them of committing incest. I just don't think the way they feel towards each other is exactly appropriate.

And I can't imagine how unhealthy that might be for them in the future.

[samurai_sarah]

No, I would never imply incest! Ever!

What I'm saying is that it seems odd that they speak that way to each other.

When he left for Alert, she was so upset.

And didn't she call him sexy once?

Best guess on my part would be that they get along, are close, and the "sexy" stuff is a bit of a joke? During my teens, I sometimes called my brothers sexy just to watch my mates say "ew, he's your brother" and pull faces.

[DefrauderDaughter]

If it's not appropriate but it's not incest, what would you call it? I don't have siblings, but I've always been close with my male cousins and have said in a joking manner that they are attractive, sexy, what have you, because not every person that is attractive is someone I'd like to have sex with.

I'm sorry, but this just isn't okay to be talking about. It's one thing to speculate if someone's pregnant, courting, or whatever, but not that someone is committing a horrible, disgusting, illegal act. This is the internet. What you say never goes away.

[Kellbells]

I think I understand what OP was trying to say...

It seems a bit unusual that Jinger and Joseph seem to have a very close (typical in any other family) where they seem to enjoy hanging out and joking around with each other as we know brother/sister relationships are typically not close in this culture. Their relationship reminds me of the relationship with my brother- we hug occasionally (simply a hug, nothing untoward there), tease each other (I have called my brother a sexy beast because it never fails to make him turn beet red and I love embarrassing him), and we just have fun joking around. I don't think and hope OP wasn't inplying anything incestual...I just think it is interesting to see that those two seem to have a normal brother sister interaction with each other as we usually don't see that from these families.

[CrazyMumma]

I think I get the OP as well...

hey... when you don't date and your contact with the other gender is limited and you're an affectionate person you naturally turn to your brothers... not incestual at all. I'm a very affectionate girl and I totally adored and had close relationships with my brothers... there was no way in hell I was going to let them do anything or instigate anything... but.. yep.. it can look weird.. :D but it doesn't mean that there is anything going on.

[Rescinded and Mended]

I think it's very much like others here of stated, nothing sexual, but because there is so much focus on purity, shame, and keeping the sexes separate in fundamentalism, it often creates a skewed dynamic between siblings. And maybe certain behaviors come out that wouldn't normally be expressed toward one's sibling, or that don't "look right" toward outsiders.

[Boogalou]

WTF??

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

If it's not appropriate but it's not incest, what would you call it? I don't have siblings, but I've always been close with my male cousins and have said in a joking manner that they are attractive, sexy, what have you, because not every person that is attractive is someone I'd like to have sex with.

I'm sorry, but this just isn't okay to be talking about. It's one thing to speculate if someone's pregnant, courting, or whatever, but not that someone is committing a horrible, disgusting, illegal act. This is the internet. What you say never goes away.

I'm completely with you. This topic is uncomfortable and uncalled for.

I don't think there is ANYTHING inappropriate about their relationship. And I really don't think there is ANYTHING wrong with Jinger showing her siblings affection. Just because it's DIFFERENT than other people in their culture doesn't mean it's WRONG or INAPPROPRIATE.

[calimojo]

I can't imagine Jinger or any of the kids living at the TTH using the term "sexy" for any reason.

And I just think they are close. My kids are all very close. we have a large sectional couch and it isn't unusual to find my differently gendered kids piled on the couch together watching movies way into the night. I have come down many a morning at breakfast time to find they have fallen asleep down there. And no, I am very certain nothing hinky is going on. They are just good friends. In a big family I imagine there are lots of individual relationships that form that are stronger than some of the others. Just like Jinger and Jessa appear to be closer than Jinger and Jill.

Maybe it just seems strange to you because honestly, the kids don't seem all that close much of the time, except for Jackson and Hannie.

[Mama Mia]

This is my very first time posting, so I apologize if I'm doing it incorrectly.

I just wanted to point out that Jinger seems to have an odd relationship with Joseph? I think.

It just seems odd to me that Michelle and JimBob would allow them to be that close, seeing as they don't even allow front hugs between siblings.

It just seems bizarre that Jinger calls him 'her man.' and things like that.

They have never, ever said they don't allow front hugs between siblings. Or between parents and children. Ever. For some reason people seem to assume that. But if you look at old episodes the kids hug, they all sit close together on the couch - boys and girls.

Also seen in episodes---just because these are other things people take as a given aren't allowed in duggarland:

-- the little kids are in pajamas in the living room.

--the boys play with a toy kitchen

---the girls play football

---the boys wear pink and purple.

--- the older boys cook

[eri]

I'm completely with you. This topic is uncomfortable and uncalled for.

I don't think there is ANYTHING inappropriate about their relationship. And I really don't think there is ANYTHING wrong with Jinger showing her siblings affection. Just because it's DIFFERENT than other people in their culture doesn't mean it's WRONG or INAPPROPRIATE.

EVERY other word must be CAPITALIZED for emphasis. EMPHASIS.

What is the deal with this style of writing? It sounds so inflammatory and angry. You're not going to agree with every thread topic on FJ, but that doesn't mean topics you dislike don't get to be discussed.

[lisa_m]

The reason people assume they don't allow front hugs between siblings or parents and children is that while we often see Jim Bob or Michelle giving side hugs to their opposite sex children, we don't see them giving them front hugs.

[Boogalou]

The reason people assume they don't allow front hugs between siblings or parents and children is that while we often see Jim Bob or Michelle giving side hugs to their opposite sex children, we don't see them giving them front hugs.

I have a half=baked hypothesis on why they do this - it's so everyone keeps their face towards the camera, like people acting on a stage.

[DefrauderDaughter]

The whole no frontal hug thing is probably because of cameras. Either way, I know that when I hug my mom, it's not ALWAYS a frontal hug. When I hug someone, I don't purposefully go for a front hug or a side hug. It's just a hug between parents/friends/whomever.

[isarhenne]

Here is my guess on why Jinger and Joseph seem to be weirdly close or very close in an odd way. And of course it's NOT incest!!!! WTF!!

Jinger called Joseph "my man" when he was coming back from ALERT. My theory is that Jinger has no clue at all how to interact with young men her age. In my mind she doesn't feel the difference between men inside her family and outside her family. they are all brothers to her. Her parents want her to feel something , well, "special" for young men so she can court in the future. She might never be able to tell the difference but I'm sure her parents are trying to "train" her how to interact with young men and Jinger is expressing that with Joseph, because she does'nt know the difference, she hasn't experienced the "spark" yet, if you know what I mean!

And it is possible she will never be able to tell the difference and never feel the "spark" for any man.

[Mama Mia]

The reason people assume they don't allow front hugs between siblings or parents and children is that while we often see Jim Bob or Michelle giving side hugs to their opposite sex children, we don't see them giving them front hugs.

I'm 99.99% sure I've seen them give their opposite sex! grown children frontal hugs. There's not a marathon on to waste my day on looking for proof, but really, I'm almost positive I've seen it repeatedly. Definitely J.B. and I'm almost certain Michele as well.

I agree with others that a big reason for the side hugs is the cameras, plus that's just the way some people interact in daily life. I had just read this thread and then a bunch of my adult children were over, so I paid attention. When they greeted each other there were a several arms around shoulders, with one leaning in for a kind of 3/4 hug. A couple of no hugs, just " hi" . A couple of arm pats, a couple of side hugs. I'm sure they were wondering why I was watching all of them say hello :lol: :embarrassed:

[Laurene]

I do not think it's a big deal that Jinger call him her man. I mean she said that before he came back from ALERT, which is suppose to be the place where boys become viril, manly men, so it funny and logical that she said that her man will be back.

And both Jessa and Jinger are close to Joseph, Jessa once said that she wants to marry a "guy" like Joseph. He is one of their favorite brother that is all.

(I am french so feel free to correct my english)