Joseph Duggar starts College

[Mandysue]

I didn't find a schedule of classes. Do the clases all begin at the same time? So are all the students in class from eight until noon then from one to four?

Can they pick their own schedule? Like no eight o'clock classes? What if there is a instructor you don't like, can you take someone else's class instead?

The have student societies but they are meh...Young Rebulicians! Auto club!

I wonder if the instructors are on rate my professor? They are!

http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/campusR ... p?sid=4593

[Sundaymorning]

They actually did scrap that one, or at least remove it from the handbook. The image of the handbook that went around is from 2009; the 2014 one I posted does not contain that ridiculous and backwards rule.

At least something. Although I wouldn't be surprised at all if the rule still existed and they simply didn't publicly display it anymore.

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

I didn't find a schedule of classes. Do the clases all begin at the same time? So are all the students in class from eight until noon then from one to four?

Can they pick their own schedule? Like no eight o'clock classes? What if there is a instructor you don't like, can you take someone else's class instead?

The have student societies but they are meh...Young Rebulicians! Auto club!

I wonder if the instructors are on rate my professor? They are!

http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/campusR ... p?sid=4593

I suspect that the "everyone has to be up by 730" rule means that you don't get to choose your class schedule. And they probably wouldn't allow such things because it's a lot easier to keep track of everyone when everyone's supposed to be in certain areas at the same time.

[Mandysue]

I suspect that the "everyone has to be up by 730" rule means that you don't get to choose your class schedule. And they probably wouldn't allow such things because it's a lot easier to keep track of everyone when everyone's supposed to be in certain areas at the same time.

It's like the goal of CC is to take away the individuality away from the students but that seems to be to goal of ATI.

I wonder if girls can get into the Auto mechanics program. Ummmm

[LittleOleMe]

The pj rule might have had to do with what kinds of clothes girls call pjs. I had a lot of friends in high school who would have been walking the halls in teddies and such, if given the opportunity.

I knew these girls. Their version of pajamas was one of those cute matching sets you can get at target or old navy. Flannel pants/shorts with a matching shirt that was either short sleeved or long sleeve, not a tank top or anything. I dress pretty conservatively for a variety of reasons, but I still wear tank tops a lot. I'm a fan of the tank top with skinny jeans look. And I know I'm probably still one of the least conservative people of that group. It just felt like it was a way to control people and use power of them.

[Coco]

Pensacola Christian College (the home of the A Beka homeschooling empire) also has extremely strict rules. They even have a goon squad that goes through everybody's stuff to make sure there are no forbidden books/music/magazines/electronics.

:lol: That reminds me of a super strict Mennonite Bible School (Calvary Bible School - three weeks long at a time) that i almost went to. I had to have a letter of recommendation from one of the pastors. And it isn't even really worth anything - it's just indoctrination and meeting other conservative youth outside the small local group. One of our other pastors had been when he was young, and he said that they went through their tapes. He just "gave" his tapes to a friend right before the inspection so he didn't have to lie that he "owned" any bad music - like gospel. Then his friend gave them back. Legalism at its finest.

[Coco]

Agree with all of you ladies. Lateness= disrespect of others' time.

They use those kids as an excuse, but I'd venture to say that JB and M have always been part of the late crowd.

My mom is one of those people and as a child it drove me crazy.

And the Duggars brag about it! Why do late people brag about it? :angry-banghead: and think it's funny?

Seems like if they realize being late causes other people stress and they really can't manage time for whatever reason they would just write down an appointment as 30 minutes earlier than the actual time. One of my FB friends posted at 7:30 one morning how she needed to get out of bed for her child's 8am appointment. With three kids - and one of them a newborn. I guess they showed up in pajamas? Or held up the rest of the day for every other person who had appointments? :doh:

It's so funny how people get into time ruts without realizing it. My parents used to drag us all out of bed ridiculously early on Sunday mornings for church and we'd all sit in the van and watch the other people get there and park and it was almost always in the same order of arrival every Sunday.

[nastyhobbitses]

Holy shit! These rules are insane!! Who would want to go to this place? There are more rules at this school than at a children's summer camp or even my Catholic elementary school.

This just makes me all the more appreciative of the hippy-dippy liberal arts college I went to, where there were clothing-optional dorms, streaking was considered passé, the student convenience store had to put up a sign specifying that not only did you need to wear a shirt and shoes, but something below the waist as well (enough people tried to screw with them by walking in pantsless), criticizing the administration was so normal that if you agreed with the administration you were considered an establishment tool, no one cared at all what you did outside of class as long as you didn't do anything flagrantly illegal, and interracial dating was commonplace and accepted.

[calimojo]

If I were younger and faster, I think it would be a blast to streak through the CC campus. What a hoot! Kidding of course, but I wonder how they would handle that?

[Four is Enough]

It's so funny how people get into time ruts without realizing it. My parents used to drag us all out of bed ridiculously early on Sunday mornings for church and we'd all sit in the van and watch the other people get there and park and it was almost always in the same order of arrival every Sunday.

I used to work at an elementary school. My office was quite near the main entry door. There were always the same faces showing up late; EVEN WHEN we had two hour delays. I could never explain that one.

[SassyPants]

And the Duggars brag about it! Why do late people brag about it? :angry-banghead: and think it's funny?

Seems like if they realize being late causes other people stress and they really can't manage time for whatever reason they would just write down an appointment as 30 minutes earlier than the actual time. One of my FB friends posted at 7:30 one morning how she needed to get out of bed for her child's 8am appointment. With three kids - and one of them a newborn. I guess they showed up in pajamas? Or held up the rest of the day for every other person who had appointments? :doh:

It's so funny how people get into time ruts without realizing it. My parents used to drag us all out of bed ridiculously early on Sunday mornings for church and we'd all sit in the van and watch the other people get there and park and it was almost always in the same order of arrival every Sunday.

We would have been the last station wagon screeching into the parking lot...and then have to sit in the front row because all the other seats were taken= week after week, it was embarrassing.

[16strong]

Honestly, if I ever have to deal with the Duggars, I'd find out how late they are on average, and then give them a time that is that much earlier than the actual time I need to meet with them. That's how you deal with people like that. Although they usually get pretty pissed, but whatever. It works.

[nastyhobbitses]

If I were younger and faster, I think it would be a blast to streak through the CC campus. What a hoot! Kidding of course, but I wonder how they would handle that?

Not quite streaking, but I've heard that other fundie colleges like Bob Jones and Oral Roberts (BJU and Oral Roberts...sorry, I cannot suppress my giggles) do have policies for dealing with people who come to tour campus as a joke. One part of me thinks that it's rude to waste tour guides' time and act like a smartass, but part of me really, really wants to go on a tour just out of curiosity.

[Sundaymorning]

Not quite streaking, but I've heard that other fundie colleges like Bob Jones and Oral Roberts (BJU and Oral Roberts...sorry, I cannot suppress my giggles) do have policies for dealing with people who come to tour campus as a joke. One part of me thinks that it's rude to waste tour guides' time and act like a smartass, but part of me really, really wants to go on a tour just out of curiosity.

That would be really interesting. I wonder what they do with someone like that, I guess they have security around who will escort such intruders off campus?

It would also be interesting how they would deal with someone who is even more fundie than them, like the PP.

[Alachantal]

I am not familiar with the concept of this kind of Christian Colleges, but they strike me as odd - so maybe somebody could tell me:

Are this Colleges part of any kind of umbrella organization? Are they solely private funded or are they also "half-public"/public?

To which kind of regulations do they have to answer, regarding the Curriculum or general campus rules?

For example, the rule about dating (or gawdforbid interracial dating!). Is this even legal? Could they impose such a rule, because "FU that´s OUR College and OUR property, we could do whatever we damn want to do here...!"

How does that work, who oversees them?

Im sure this has already been addressed - I just started reading this thread. They probably have a "covenant" type thing where the student gets removed from the school for such acts? They probably "provide formal accountability procedures to address actions by their students that represent a disregard for their covenant."

This reminded me of this Christian university (trinity western: twu.ca/studenthandbook/university-policies/community-covenant-agreement.html) that's less than 30 minutes from me. It has a covenant where students can be removed from school for drinking, having sex, etc. Im pretty sure its an accredited school (except the law department since they're very anti gay so they weren't accepted by the government) so I could see Clown college having something similar?

A friend of mine went to New Tribes Bible Institute in MI and they also can/will ask a student to leave if they don't have "Christ-like" behaviour. They're also unaccredited, have a loose connection to Gothard (my friend's dad worked at HQ when she was little before they moved here - I just know what she's told me. We used to sit around at work and discuss 19 kids, some interesting conversations there! But then she went to school and got married and I've gone way off topic but it takes too long to delete on tablet so ignore me! ), offer bible and missionary training and cost about $9000/ year. Plus apparently both their campuses are only a few hours drive to Gothard HQ.

[rosaline]

Im sure this has already been addressed - I just started reading this thread. They probably have a "covenant" type thing where the student gets removed from the school for such acts? They probably "provide formal accountability procedures to address actions by their students that represent a disregard for their covenant."

This reminded me of this Christian university (trinity western: twu.ca/studenthandbook/university-policies/community-covenant-agreement.html) that's less than 30 minutes from me. It has a covenant where students can be removed from school for drinking, having sex, etc. Im pretty sure its an accredited school (except the law department since they're very anti gay so they weren't accepted by the government) so I could see Clown college having something similar?

A friend of mine went to New Tribes Bible Institute in MI and they also can/will ask a student to leave if they don't have "Christ-like" behaviour. They're also unaccredited, have a loose connection to Gothard (my friend's dad worked at HQ when she was little before they moved here - I just know what she's told me. We used to sit around at work and discuss 19 kids, some interesting conversations there! But then she went to school and got married and I've gone way off topic but it takes too long to delete on tablet so ignore me! ), offer bible and missionary training and cost about $9000/ year. Plus apparently both their campuses are only a few hours drive to Gothard HQ.

There are even accredited schools with restrictive honor codes (see any BYU campus) that you can be expelled for violating. Not a lawyer, but I think the point Alachantal makes explains how it is legal--private schools can make a covenant that students sign voluntarily (read: because of parental pressure and brainwashing), and if they don't abide by it, they have to leave.

[Alachantal]

Crown College's auto repair school could be 10-18 months, and it would probably cost about $14K to complete, even with accreditation. Joseph would then be prepared to do computer assessments and repairs of most makes/models of cars. Not sure if all the expensive ones are included there.

One of my sons was interested in trade school two years ago. He chose HVAC; it was a 10 month course, and it cost $17K. (We live in the mid-Atlantic region.) They also had electrical trades, auto and big rig repair and truck driving school, priced similarly. I'd say any of these (minus truck driving, no on the road accountability) would suit a Duggar boy. No chance of seeing a vagina there..

There totally is accountability in truck driving! I am a trucker - a female one at that too! Right now I do long haul to Alberta (the dream is cross border to California etc, anyway) if a Duggar kid (girls drive trucks too Jim Bob!!!) Did long haul he could do it as part of a team. So, for example, Joe and JD could be a team and while one drives the other sleeps, and so forth. My FIL does long haul this way to Ontario and back - they pretty much don't stop. And driving In Town/Local you could always have someone tagging along if you don't have a stop every few kilometers (think stopping to off load at grocery stores).

Its expensive to own your own truck ($10,000 just for tires, as an example) but they'd make good money, could work for themselves, and could make it a family business and be accountable through team driving.

That said, unless it's one of the Duggar girls - stay out of my industry! Lmao :wink-kitty: :lol:

[RosyDaisy]

I still can't help but think he's going there because he's interested in Tori or Carlin Bates. Isn't Tori attending CC as well?

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

I knew these girls. Their version of pajamas was one of those cute matching sets you can get at target or old navy. Flannel pants/shorts with a matching shirt that was either short sleeved or long sleeve, not a tank top or anything. I dress pretty conservatively for a variety of reasons, but I still wear tank tops a lot. I'm a fan of the tank top with skinny jeans look. And I know I'm probably still one of the least conservative people of that group. It just felt like it was a way to control people and use power of them.

I'm not saying THEY would wear anything inappropriate but often those types of rules exist as a precautionary tactic than a "we know youll mess up."

And instead of saying "no ______ pajamas" they just said no pajamas because that way someone wouldn't find a loophole.

[rosaline]

I still can't help but think he's going there because he's interested in Tori or Carlin Bates. Isn't Tori attending CC as well?

Why yes she is. The Bates' official website says that "Tori is pursuing her major in education at Crown College of the Bible" in the Bio section.

[bluebird]

Despite a covenant/contract it would seem to me that any rule that is stepping upon a basic human right would be dicey, but I am not a lawyer. For example the now defunct rule of no interracial relationships or more current the no marriage w/o permission rule. What about having to separate yourself from a primary group because you are wearing work clothes..btw, any insight on the purpose of this rule? I understand rules about drugs, alcohol, smoking, crime, etc. In the handbook there was a section on health. What if a student gained a significant amount of weight..is that punishable?

[txmommyof4]

Despite a covenant/contract it would seem to me that any rule that is stepping upon a basic human right would be dicey, but I am not a lawyer. For example the now defunct rule of no interracial relationships or more current the no marriage w/o permission rule. What about having to separate yourself from a primary group because you are wearing work clothes..btw, any insight on the purpose of this rule? I understand rules about drugs, alcohol, smoking, crime, etc. In the handbook there was a section on health. What if a student gained a significant amount of weight..is that punishable?

Obviously this is just a guess but I think I almost understand the eating separate if you are in work clothes rule. Fundies seem to fancy themselves as rather old fashioned. Meal time used to be something people dressed for. When my mother was a child her father required every one of them to be spit shined before every meal even though they were dirt poor living in the backwoods of Arkansas.

[KittenMitten]

I do wish Joe luck at college. I hope he can expand a tiny bit or expand a lot. Not sure that will happen though

[Dandruff]

I have no idea whether some of those rules would be legally enforceable, but I think peer pressure would tend to keep the students obedient. Imagine being surrounded by hundreds of students who are all expected to maintain the same standards and firmly believe in the "brother's keeper" rule.

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

I have no idea whether some of those rules would be legally enforceable, but I think peer pressure would tend to keep the students obedient. Imagine being surrounded by hundreds of students who are all expected to maintain the same standards and firmly believe in the "brother's keeper" rule.

It's legally enforceable if a person over the age of 18 (or his/her parents if the person is under the age of 18) consent to the rules in the form of a signed contract and were not in duress. It's a private institution and, as long as there is a signed contract, they can have and enforce whatever rules they want.