Feminists encourage patriarchy

[dairyfreelife]

We are just giving men what they want, that's all.

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Dear Feminist,

Please stop fighting for my rights now. I'm very happy that we have laws against violence towards women, and it's nice to have the right to vote, but honestly, my husband and I are one and wouldn't care if our vote counted as one anyway. I know you started out wanting men to see women as worthwhile and strong...but why now do you want them to see us as men?

I'm sorry to say, but in your fight for women's rights, you're stripping away the rights of those who actually still want to be women.

Complete freedom for men, and we're still not seen as equals, we are now just seen as sex objects who should oblige the men's desires and get back to taking care of ourselves. You are giving men what they want, and there's nothing in it for you.

Oh, boy, where to even start with this...have at it forum. :lol:

[BrownieMomma]

Just don't exercise your rights.

Gah.

Yeah, you and your hubs are one right up to the point that you aren't anymore and then your right to vote, along with various and sundry other rights, are going to become extremely valuable to you.

What are you, 12?

Edited because calling someone names like stupid bitch and idiot are not the way to get the idea across.

[polecat]

We are just giving men what they want, that's all.

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How so? She's going to have to explain this claim a little more because it makes no sense to me.

[Burris]

Please stop fighting for my rights now. I'm very happy that we have laws against violence towards women, and it's nice to have the right to vote, but honestly, my husband and I are one and wouldn't care if our vote counted as one anyway.

1) She's a narcissist, and out of touch with reality if she believes her own level of happiness has anything to do at all with the civil rights of other people.

2) Most women don't check their brains at the altar - and there is nothing stopping this woman from voting in step with her husband if she agrees with him.

I know you started out wanting men to see women as worthwhile and strong...but why now do you want them to see us as men?

This has nothing to do with 'making everyone into men' and everything to do with ensuring the universal recognition that women are human - as human as men are.

I'm sorry to say, but in your fight for women's rights, you're stripping away the rights of those who actually still want to be women.

You should be sorry for writing that, because it's a lie. No matter what a person does - works at a good job, at a bad job, or stays at home with or without kids - there will always be someone else around to criticize. That isn't a trait unique to feminism, and nor it is a trait necessary in feminism. And critical opinions are just that: Opinions. No one is forcing anti-feminists to get jobs.

If anything, fundamentalists who write thinly veiled anti-suffrage materials are the ones interfering with the choices of other people. And unlike feminists, fundies want to see their personal beliefs, values, and judgments backed by force of law.

Complete freedom for men, and we're still not seen as equals, we are now just seen as sex objects who should oblige the men's desires and get back to taking care of ourselves. You are giving men what they want, and there's nothing in it for you.

She assumes feminists don't engage in monogamous relationships, don't run successful households, and don't demand any sort of commitment from a partner; that feminism is just code for sex-on-demand. (That pretty much proves she has never read a single serious article on the subject of feminism, even despite its status as a boogieman among the women in her social circle.)

Yes, those few words have it all: False humility, a backhanded plea asking why we can't 'just all get along,' a failure to define feminism, and of course the claim that equal rights are actually bad for women.

[Marshmallow World]

You know... I just can't with today.

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[artdecades]

As a woman, do I not have the right to stay home, raise a family and take care of my husband? Do I not have to right to be cared for and provided for by my husband? Is there something wrong with two married people caring for each other and supporting each other so no one person has to "do it all?"

Dear feminist, you would have us all believe that choosing this way of life is beneath women, unworthy and despicable. That if we choose a domestic life it must be an add on to our career, an afterthought, but most certainly not our only ambition.

You know whats funny is that her whole argument hinges on choice feminist ideas that individual choices are what feminism is all about. So without intending to, she is basically engaging in a feminist argument. Frankly, I can't stand that idea. I don't give a shit about your personal, happy home and feelings. To me feminism, like other forms of activism, is about social change for all of society to create a fair and equitable system.

As a feminist, I don't believe that our choices exist in a vacuum and believe that "choice feminism" is complete and utter bullcrap. You made that choice because of patriarchal social norms, and to pretend like you suddenly decided you wanted to this yourself is a complete lie. If there was no more inequality and patriarchy, and you made that choice, no one would second guess it because it would actually be a choice, but in our current society that is impossible.

[NachosFlandersStyle]

"As a woman, do I not have the right to stay home, raise a family and take care of my husband? "

Well, since you aren't writing this from a jail cell where you were thrown by the Womyn's Revolutionary Police Force the moment you quit your job, I think you've answered your own question.

But by "stripping away her rights" she means that she thinks her marriage will crumble if she ever asks her husband to wash a dish, or if he ever has opportunity to look at a sexily-dressed lady, or if anyone ever raises a doubt about the notion that she is a god-ordained blessing to her husband and their marriage is an unbreakable eternal bond. The rest of us aren't properly coddling her massive insecurities, and therefore we're destroying her way of life!

[NachosFlandersStyle]

Also feminism is all about "giving men what they want." Because in the past, when a man could expect a woman to do all of his cooking and cleaning and look pretty for him, and sex before marriage was all naughty fun-- for the men, and there was no concept of marital rape and men never had to fear competition or challenges from women in the workplace or in the public sphere-- that was terrible for men. They spent all those centuries just waiting for women to come around to their groovy ideas. But no, women were too busy getting pregnant when they didn't want to, and doing menial labor for no or low pay, and being quiet while the men were talking.

[Feministe9000]

"I'm sorry to say, but in your fight for women's rights, you're stripping away the rights of those who actually still want to be women."

So according to her, women's rights are......whatever her husband decides they should be.

:angry-banghead:

[Delilah]

When this lady talks about feeling that feminists are stripping away the rights of those who want to be women, she reminds me of my mom. In the 70's, my mom was offended by the women's movement because she felt it was insulting her. She thought the feminists were telling her that being feminine wasn't good enough. I dismissed her as being old-fashioned. I didn't gain understanding of her point of view until I went to college in the mid-80's and heard a lecture by a female professor who had been active in the women's movement.

The professor said that in the 70's, many feminists purposefully presented themselves in a masculine way. They thought that the way to be a ground-breaking woman was to act more like a man. Pantsuits would get more respect than dresses, and lower voice tones would be listened to move than higher ones. This approach backfired because many women couldn't relate to the feminists. In the 80's, the message was more about equal opportunities and rights for all people, but you still get to be yourself. No pantsuits required!

It's too bad that this lady still sees feminism as it was in the 70's. There have been many changes over the past 3 or 4 decades.

[Coco]

"As a woman, do I not have the right to stay home, raise a family and take care of my husband? "

Well, since you aren't writing this from a jail cell where you were thrown by the Womyn's Revolutionary Police Force the moment you quit your job, I think you've answered your own question.

But by "stripping away her rights" she means that she thinks her marriage will crumble if she ever asks her husband to wash a dish, or if he ever has opportunity to look at a sexily-dressed lady, or if anyone ever raises a doubt about the notion that she is a god-ordained blessing to her husband and their marriage is an unbreakable eternal bond. The rest of us aren't properly coddling her massive insecurities, and therefore we're destroying her way of life!

If she and her husband are in total harmony and completely happy with their family setup, then why is she afraid that feminism expects too much of women her? It's sad that she's so stuck in kowtowing to overbearing, entitled men that she worries feminism will demand that she takes up all the roles while he lazes around. Her messed up definition of feminism is: Women bear all the load. That's not how it works when women and men respect each other and have true equality.

[CelticGoddess]

It amazes me how these twits act like feminism is all about becoming a man. My great-grandma was forced to work outside the home by her abusive husband. My great-aunt was forced to quit school in 6th grade to go out and work. My grandma stayed at home and took care of her younger sisters. (Sadly, 2 of them died of the flu in childhood).

Feminism is all about choice. My grandma and her two surviving sisters were able to make choices that her mother was not allowed to make. Her older sister was able to make decisions about her life after she married (her second husband, the first one was an abusive jerk). She CHOSE to continue working as a wall paper hanger. (She made good money). The other sister chose to join the WAACs, then she got married and chose to stay at home until her children were grown, then she worked outside the home. My grandma made the choice to also stay at home until her children were grown and she also worked outside the home.

This is what true feminism and women's rights is all about. Choice. Now, feminists and women's rights advocates are fighting for equal pay.

Mysoginistic assholes will always be that way. And women like blessings and simplicity are playing into their patriarchal bullshit.

BTW: I was able to stay at home to raise my children until they were in school, when I started working towards my nursing degree. I CHOSE to stay at home, and I CHOSE to become a nurse. Just like my grandma and her sibs were finally able to CHOOSE.

[KittenMitten]

I'm sorry to say, but in your fight for women's rights, you're stripping away the rights of those who actually still want to be women.[/quote

Wow. I'm not a woman. My husband and son would be shocked to learn that.

Complete freedom for men, and we're still not seen as equals, we are now just seen as sex objects who should oblige the men's desires and get back to taking care of ourselves. You are giving men what they want, and there's nothing in it for you.

What? I'm equal in my world, thank goodness. But I do agree that we still have a long way to go for women to be equal in society. Yes, I give my husband what he wants: Support, love, laughter, a paycheck, a kid, a happy home and so much more. He gives me the same. Also, my husband is a feminist I wonder what she would make of that.

[salex]

I'm sorry to say, but in your fight for women's rights, you're stripping away the rights of those who actually still want to be women.[/quote

Wow. I'm not a woman. My husband and son would be shocked to learn that.

What? I'm equal in my world, thank goodness. But I do agree that we still have a long way to go for women to be equal in society. Yes, I give my husband what he wants: Support, love, laughter, a paycheck, a kid, a happy home and so much more. He gives me the same. Also, my husband is a feminist I wonder what she would make of that.

Based on what Lorken and L. Ron Cupboard say, they assumption would be that he was some type b personality, a bit of a pleaser, a wimpy husband.

Given my own and what others have told me about my husband, this doesn't remotely fit, but Lorken and L. Ron Cupboard aren't known for any sort of fine analysis.