Feminists Will Never Be Happy

[Kira]

generationcedar.com/main/2014/12/why-feminists-will-never-be-happy.html :angry-banghead:

If Feminists really cared about women and their happiness, Feminists would not cheer for women to dress immodestly or to live promiscuously. :pull-hair:

[polecat]

I had a lot of fun and was completely happy in my promiscuous youth. :D :lol: :D

Just saying.

[ThisOlGirl]

Did her daughter ever get married? I don't follow Kelly too closely, but I haven't heard much about Bria's fiancé. If he's going to be a doctor, Kelly's speshul snowflake just may have to get a *whispers* job to get her husband through school.

ETA: Maybe the reason for Kelly's post is because Bria said the J word.

[RosyDaisy]

Bitch, please! Feminist fought an still fight for women to dress and act as they please.

Yes, Bria got married per my cousins who live near her, but that's all I know. My cousins loathe Kelly. She's been a hateful bitch to them.

[Kira]

I thought her Bria was getting married on December 13th?

[Coco]

One good thing about this article is that it's going to get fundies (and maybe younger SAHDs) familiar with the names and books of the women's movement, for later when they're wondering what other points of view are out there. And the comments are fantastic. Some real debate going on there.

[Sola]

Funny that. I am very happy. So is my husband and he's a feminist too. I was also very happy whoring around in my youth too. Go figure.

[RosyDaisy]

I thought her Bria was getting married on December 13th?

Sorry, my bad. Bria is getting married on December 13. There was a lot of wedding talk going on when I talked to my cousins. There are 4 other weddings in my family coming. A younger cousin is getting married on January 3. I just got confused.

[thoughtful]

If Since Feminists really cared about women and their happiness, Feminists would not cheer for women to dress immodestly or to and live promiscuously. as they choose.

Fixed that for you, Kelly.

[Marshmallow World]

Here's the thing: I am a feminist. I wear what I want. I'm smart about my sexuality and practice how I please. I am confident. I am happy.

I grew up in fundamentalist/evangelical circles. In that mindset (I know I'm preaching to the choir here), what I am is completely unfathomable. It is not even on the radar, and I grew up around women who wanted so badly what I have but convinced themselves that the "biblical" way is superior, and while women like me are whoring it up, they are remaining pure and are therefore better. Strong, happy, confident women are, simply put, just not possible.

Yeah, I'm taking it personally and rambling a bit. But it's still so hard for some people in my life to understand that I am a feminist, and that being a feminist is not a bad thing. It's too engrained in them.

So I will just continue to bee the godless feminist whore that I am :nenner:

[Deist woman]

This person's name? Is this a man or a woman? """Guest Post by Reagan Ramm """. The name sounds like a porn star's name. Sad that fact is the most interesting part of the post.

[thoughtful]

This person's name? Is this a man or a woman? """Guest Post by Reagan Ramm """. The name sounds like a porn star's name. Sad that fact is the most interesting part of the post.

I know his name has come up on FJ before, because, well, let's face it -- it's a pretty unforgettable name! :lol:

Here's a thread:

viewtopic.php?t=23665

His blog:

reaganramm.com/

[Mice]

My husband and I are both ardent feminists , and were discussing this blog post over coffee this morning. We ended up having quite a family discussion when we got to the part where she said:

"The good life, the life God wants for us, can only be found through living in His kingdom, and doing what He wants to be done—loving God and our neighbors as ourselves."

That quote is only a good thing if you 1) actually have a self and 2) you love that self in a healthy manner. Otherwise you end up with that special love of God and neighbor that is sanctimonious, sick and twisted and all about meeeee! How often do we see this?

[dairyfreelife]

I know his name has come up on FJ before, because, well, let's face it -- it's a pretty unforgettable name! :lol:

Here's a thread:

viewtopic.php?t=23665

His blog:

reaganramm.com/

Male, yes. He's a young college student from Ohio who thinks he knows it all. He is above all those other heathens at his public university and totally sees all the indoctrination against Christians going on there. Why, he even got a C for defending Christianity and not because he did not do as the assignment asked, y'all! Oh, and American football is the manliest man sport there is and all boys should play it.

[polecat]

Don't judge me for my (old, old, old) musical tastes, but this thread has me listening to "Good Girls Go to Heaven (Bad Girls Go Everywhere)."

[feministxtian]

I commented...

December 6, 2014 at 2:05 pm

I tried the traditional SAHM life. I hated it. My talents do not lie in homemaking. I finally finished my degree and went into the workforce, in a male dominated field. I discovered I enjoyed being in that field, I still enjoy it. The challenges, the ability to use the brain God gave me, still thrills me.

My kids didn’t benefit from a mom who hated her life as a SAHM and was just going through the motions because that was what was expected of her. They’re all grown now and talk about mom BC and AC (before and after career), they all agree that mom was a whole lot easier to get along with AC, they enjoyed mom.

The feminist movement is what gave me the ability to choose between being a SAHM and having a career. If being a SAHM makes you happy, then by all means…do it. However, understand that being a SAHM is not for everyone. There are those of us who prefer being in the workforce.

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â—¦ Kelly Crawford says:

December 6, 2014 at 2:39 pm

Caroline,

You may have hit upon the biggest problem I have with feminism: the “doctrine†of “do whatever makes you happy, no matter who it affects.â€

And I get that the article was discussing happiness, thus your comment, which is relevant in light of the topic. Still, when I read it, I realize one of the things that makes feminism so opposed to Christianity and following Christ. To follow Christ often means to deny your own wishes, your own desires and even your own goals in order to do what is best for others. And truly, real happiness can only come from that. Seeking our own desires may give us a temporary or false satisfaction, but deep peace and joy comes when we realize the importance of sacrifice and submit to that.

Feminism promotes self; the opposite of what God says will fulfill a life and advance the Gospel.

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â—¾ Caroline says:

December 6, 2014 at 2:47 pm

So you’re saying that my children would have been better off with a mother who hated staying home? My children were miserable when I was home full-time. I was and am not “suzy homemakerâ€. I don’t like to cook, clean, decorate, or any of those “domestic artsâ€. I can do them, I can keep a house, I can cook, I just don’t like to do it. I find absolutely no enjoyment in it.

My children noticed the change when I would come home charged up, full of life and ideas. They suffered more when mom was home and miserable.

The idea of “self-sacrifice†is not to live a life that makes you miserable. It was best that I entered the workforce. It is what gave me the ability to be able to be the best mom I could be.

However, I do know there are those who prefer to stay home. If that’s what you do best, then do it. Just realize there are those who do not enjoy that lifestyle, who don’t want to live that lifestyle and it doesn’t make us lesser, or worse Christians than others. It is a choice.

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â—¾ Kelly Crawford says:

December 6, 2014 at 4:05 pm

I’m saying I think the decision should be based on what is best for our children and family, not on what we enjoy. And I am saying we would enjoy it more if we had a vision beyond what you think of homemaking. It’s little to do with cleaning and cooking and much more to do with building lives–discipleship, which is a full time job, being available for service to those around you, and being available to meet the needs of your husband and children.

I think our dissatisfaction is fueled when we lose that vision and see the home as just a trivial, peripheral task to be done rather than the world-changing job it is.

I’ve also compared it to my husband’s responsibilities. He provides. Period. That responsibility falls on him and he does it whether he particularly enjoys the task or not. He’s not miserable either, because he finds fulfillment in providing for his family, knowing that it’s his responsibility. He doesn’t say, “I’m done with this job because it doesn’t make me feel fulfilled anymore†even though there’s a lot about his work that is hard, laborious and exhausting. He puts us first and understanding that he is doing that brings satisfaction.

But, satisfaction isn’t the aim. It’s the result of a life given in service to others.

By the way, the post wasn’t necessarily opposed to women working, ever. And neither am I. I’m just opposed to the ideology that “I can do anything I want to do, and should be allowed to do that, contrary to what it means for my family.â€

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â—¾ Caroline says:

December 6, 2014 at 4:37 pm

isn’t that the fundamental of choice? I have the choice to consider what is best for my family AND me? My family does not profit from someone who is miserable at home no matter how many volunteer activities she is involved in. None of that was where my strengths lie.

It had nothing to do with money (although I do make a nice living), it had everything to do with what was best for all of us.

[RosyDaisy]

Ah, Kelly. Bitchy, bitchy Kelly. How's about you stop parroting and actually read the comments.

[salex]

Oh, goody, another post by some unmarried young male trying to teach his granny to suck eggs.

Please, young man, tell me again what you've read about my friends' and my life experiences over the last 40 years.

[samurai_sarah]

I'm happy.

[August]

Yay Kelly, so even if Man hates being the breadwinner, and Woman hates being dependent, they will magically be 'satisfied' with those roles because Jesus. Instead of just figuring out some mutually satisfactory compromise like normal people.

Speaking of people who will never be happy...

[DGayle]

I'm proud of my whore past because it means I was living for myself in a way that didn't hurt anyone. I also regularly cover more skin than the Duggars. I guess I get an F in feminism. Oh well. I don't want to pass Kelly-Feminism 101.

[GolightlyGrrl]

Bitch, please! Feminist fought an still fight for women to dress and act as they please.

Yes, Bria got married per my cousins who live near her, but that's all I know. My cousins loathe Kelly. She's been a hateful bitch to them.

Kelly's a hateful bitch? Ooh, do tell. I want the details.

[Olive Plant]

I don't have kids. Using Kelly's own words, "being available to meet the needs of your husband and children" means I WORK AT A JOB where I make money to support my future kids and current partner. My partner is pretty traditional in some ways, like he loves it when I cook dinner and clean up, but he also likes to cook sometimes and he's proud of how good he is at it. Also, even if I cooked dinner every day, that doesn't take all freaking day. We can both work and come home and make from-scratch dinners every night. This gives us one steady income all year (mine) while he works in real estate, which is more feast or famine. He is WAY less stressed than he would be if I sat at home and passed my time polishing the floors with a toothbrush to "serve" him. Serving him and serving our partnership means I contribute in the best way possible, and by the way I love my job, so this also works well for me. Guess what, I also mend and I also help him with his job from home from time to time, so homemakers got nothin on me in that regard. But getting dressed for work, going out and using my brain makes me want to come back home and have sex way more than cleaning does. So my man's needs are fulfilled in every way by me working.

Kelly says "I think our dissatisfaction is fueled when we lose that vision and see the home as just a trivial, peripheral task to be done rather than the world-changing job it is." Kelly, cleaning the floors IS a trivial task. You can hire someone to do them for you and it won't negatively impact your spiritual union with your husband.

[RosyDaisy]

Kelly's a hateful bitch? Ooh, do tell. I want the details.

My cousins live near Kelly. One of them is fighting breast cancer. Kelly pretty much told her it was God's punishment for "living in sin" with her husband before they married. She has also made offensive comments about an older cousin who is mentally challenged. She said that it was God's punishment for her sin. My cousin became seriously ill as a young child, and it left her mentally handicapped.

Then came the tornado on 4/27/11 that destroyed her house which she called a blessing. That pissed off a lot of people who lost everything that day. ~250 people died in Alabama alone that day, and thousands injured. That bitch had the nerve to call that tornado outbreak a blessing. Oh, and the Crawfords didn't lift a single finger to help anyone. At the same time she said those who died were punished by God. I just found out that little tidbit not long ago.

I have never met Kelly, but I believe what I have been told. Kelly is just plain mean, and needs to be knocked off her high horse.

[eh02]

Happy feminist here. :D And I am currently unemployed because I just finished grad school and I can definitely say I am thoroughly NOT ENJOYING this newfound short-term role as a "homemaker," which is basically me doing all the work I already did before when I was in school or working full time, but without all of the intellectual stimulation I had from work or school. We're given gifts and skills to USE THEM.

It's pretty obnoxious when people act like they are so irritated by "angry feminists." THERE IS A LOT TO BE ANGRY ABOUT! We have a right to be angry that women, people of color, queer people and ethnic minorities are still both systematically and silently oppressed.