New Seewald Blog Post - Defending his Future DIL

[JellyHope]

I just can't. I can't comprehend this level of stupidity. I can't believe they don't get why they're wrong & why it's so offensive. I can't continue reading their bullshit because it makes my blood boil. And I can't believe I'm reading a Papa Seewald blog post on a Saturday night, I should be at ACL jamming to Eminem. Oh wait, I'm 6 months pregnant eating ice-cream on the couch. But I digress...

 

seewalds.com/jessa-duggar-slammed-by-hitlers-doppelgangers/#respond

 

 

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In Hitler’s Germany there was legal discrimination against Jews. In our society we may legally discriminate against our own children and eradicate them. Tell me how this is not the same thing.

 

 

Well, it's not. I only have the patience to give you this:

 

verb (used without object), discriminated, discriminating.

1.

to make a distinction in favor of or against a person or thing on the basis of the group, class, or category to which the person or thing belongs rather than according to actual merit; show partiality:

The new law discriminates against foreigners. He discriminates in favor of his relatives.

2.

to note or observe a difference; distinguish accurately:

to discriminate between things.

 

Please, one of you who are better with words & logic & explanations, write him a response to his response.

 

[Ivycoveredtower]

They all make me sick.

[Green Glass]

They all make me sick.

Me too. I used to gawk at the Duggars and enjoy snarking the trainwreck. Now I'm ready for all of them to fade into obscurity.

[Childless]

Wow. I guess in this case opposites don't attract as the Seewalds appear to be as stupid as the Duggars. This guy needs a dictionary because he obviously doesn't know what the word discriminate means. There is officially no hope for Ben and Jessa's children.

[Jelly]

Its clear where Ben gets his intellectual prowess from. Does father seewald mention anything about evolution causing the Holocaust, because that was also kind of a big issue with Jessa's post. I feel like when Ben had the whole catholic blow-up and subsequently retreated offline a bit, Jessa's posts started to become eerily similar in tone to his...

[JellyHope]

Also, his "facts" & "stats" are really grinding my gears. That Gallup poll can't be accurate, can it? I was pretty sure the majority of Americans were pro-choice?? And that bullshit about how most women have horrible shame, regret, depression, etc after abortions. Every person I know who has had an abortion, all say the same general thing: relief. No regret, no depression. Sure, it's probably 1 of the hardest moments of their lives, but that doesn't = regret & depression.

[Trynn]

I can see regret or depression setting in if

1. This was a wanted baby, but for reasons(what we those are) they felt they had no choice BUT to abort

2. They'd been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking abortion was murder, yet had one themselves anyway. I've met some girls like these. They try believe they've committed murder.

[JellyHope]

I can see regret or depression setting in if

1. This was a wanted baby, but for reasons(what we those are) they felt they had no choice BUT to abort

2. They'd been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking abortion was murder, yet had one themselves anyway. I've met some girls like these. They try believe they've committed murder.

Yes, true true.

[uber frau]

I did a big assignment on so-called 'Post Abortion Syndrome' last semester at uni. The best studies I found showed that a. those factors Trynn posted are the biggest reasons for regret, b. that if you account for those things (and a host of other social and economic factors-basically, the risk factors for poor mental health later in life and the risk factors for an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy have a fair amount of overlap), there is no evidence that 'Post-Abortion Syndrome' is a thing. Also, C. It is very, very hard to find good research, even among researchers who really are trying to be unbiased, and the 'pro-life' side is as good at designing unbiased research as AiG is at assessing the science behind evolution.

ETA: Summary of a report published by the APA examining a good deal of the scientific literature.

www.apa.org/pi/women/programs/abortion/ ... ummary.pdf

[Clutched Pearls]

The Seewalds are probably going to be the ones who really mess up the Duggar gravy train. I can just see it: Ben will post something even stupider and more offensive to his social media accounts and Michael and Jessa will post something more inflammatory in an attempt to defend Ben. Then TLC and some Duggar fans might think twice about supporting these hateful and ignorant ass people.

I really feel bad for any children that may come out of the Benessa union. You know Ben & Jessa will homeschool any children that they might have...ugh, I'm shuddering at the thought. Poor future kiddos!

[JHeathen]

Also, his "facts" & "stats" are really grinding my gears. That Gallup poll can't be accurate, can it? I was pretty sure the majority of Americans were pro-choice?? And that bullshit about how most women have horrible shame, regret, depression, etc after abortions. Every person I know who has had an abortion, all say the same general thing: relief. No regret, no depression. Sure, it's probably 1 of the hardest moments of their lives, but that doesn't = regret & depression.

:::raising hand::: me, me, I'm one of those! No regret, no depression. Just fine, thanks, 20-something years after my abortion, with a solid husband and two fantastic little kids.

[anjulibai]

I've known many women who have had abortions, and only one had any regrets about it.

She was a fundie, who had been converted from Catholicism by her boyfriend and his mother. His boyfriend convinced her to have an abortion, despite both of their beliefs that abortion was wrong.

She was a very sweet, but naive and easily manipulated girl, so she did what her boyfriend wanted. After all, they weren't married and he was away a lot in the military.

Poor girl was just traumatized by the whole thing.

Everyone else I've known to have an abortion hasn't been a fundie, and each has considered it an incredibly smart decision, with no regrets.

Gee, I wonder why the fundie had issues and the non-fundies didn't? :roll:

[SPHASH]

These idiots don't realize that Hitler discriminated against Christians too.

[Emme]

The Seewalds are probably going to be the ones who really mess up the Duggar gravy train. I can just see it: Ben will post something even stupider and more offensive to his social media accounts and Michael and Jessa will post something more inflammatory in an attempt to defend Ben. Then TLC and some Duggar fans might think twice about supporting these hateful and ignorant ass people.

I really feel bad for any children that may come out of the Benessa union. You know Ben & Jessa will homeschool any children that they might have...ugh, I'm shuddering at the thought. Poor future kiddos!

I hope so. I hope this is what finally makes the logical world see what the precious duggars are like. They're not quaint or cute or good parents.

[Seren Ann]

I tried to read his blog post and just couldn't, it was too annoying. I hate this mindset where if you talk in a voice that is arrogant and aggressive enough, you can make it sound like you're right even if you're spouting absolute nonsense.

These people don't know what they're talking about. I wish they would just shut up and stop trying to "educate" us, it's offensive.

[BrownieMomma]

My comment is awaiting moderation. Somehow I think it will not see the light of day at seewald.com.

For your perusement:

"Mr. Seewald, it does not even make sense for a person to walk through such a sobering event as the Holocaust Museum and immediately conclude that abortion is a comparable holocaust of our time. Why would a thinking person even connect such a dot?

I have been to the Holocaust Museum. I also gave birth to a child after rape. I have walked the walk personally, Mr. Seewald, I am a Christian and have been so for many years. My son is now 25, and a sweet blessing to my life.

The Holocaust that occurred at the hands of Nazi Germany was not a choice. Their government mandated it, supported it, and carried it out. This is simply not the case in America today in regards to abortion.

ETA: perusement is not a real word but it should be

Abortion is not mandated. The government does not require it of anyone. It is the choice of every woman who has one. Government-led genocide is not even in the same sphere as each American woman's personal choice. There is no middle piece of a Venn diagram here.

It is appallingly disrespectful to every person who suffered or died in the Holocaust to use that as a platform in regards to abortion in America. Neither Jessa Duggar nor her family originated this thought as I have heard this "abortion is a holocaust" often while walking in conservative Christian circles.

It never sat right with me, and Mr. Seewald, how many women do you know who have done what I have done? A woman who became pregnant by force, not pregnant by choice, and not only carried the pregnancy but loved, nurtured and reared the child to adulthood? I have never seen the rapist's face in my son's face. I look at that child and see only the beauty of his singular self. God blessed me to see my son through a mother's loving eyes, not the pained eyes of a victim.

We have free will, Mr. Seewald. Our government allows abortion. The Bible says that God sets every authority on the earth, so apparently God even set Hitler's government? Difficult to understand, yet we believe Scripture, or profess to believe it, do we not? No woman is forced to have an abortion. No one will ever crash through her door and force an unwanted abortion.

I am pro-life, Mr. Seewald. I feel it to the deepest recesses of my soul. It grieves me that a woman feels abortion is the right choice for herself and her child. I wish it were not so. But I find myself outraged at those who cheaply attempt to co-opt the great horror of the German Holocaust to the free choice of American abortion.

Please. Just stop comparing the two. There is no comparison. Please. Respect the dead and respect the history and keep the two things separate. While the number of legal abortions is large and grievous, the fact is that each abortion was a choice exerted by the free will of the mother, one individual. It is not a holocaust unwillingly inflicted by an outside force.

Abortion is not a holocaust, and Jessa Duggar owes an apology for her disrespect to the Holocaust victims."

[MrsYoungie]

Until such time as Jessa can give a short summary of what evolution actually is, she is forbidden to use its theory as an argument for anything.

Note: "From goo to you by way of the zoo" does not count as such a summary.

[JellyHope]

My comment is awaiting moderation. Somehow I think it will not see the light of day at seewald.com.

For your perusement:

"Mr. Seewald, it does not even make sense for a person to walk through such a sobering event as the Holocaust Museum and immediately conclude that abortion is a comparable holocaust of our time. Why would a thinking person even connect such a dot?

I have been to the Holocaust Museum. I also gave birth to a child after rape. I have walked the walk personally, Mr. Seewald, I am a Christian and have been so for many years. My son is now 25, and a sweet blessing to my life.

The Holocaust that occurred at the hands of Nazi Germany was not a choice. Their government mandated it, supported it, and carried it out. This is simply not the case in America today in regards to abortion.

ETA: perusement is not a real word but it should be

Abortion is not mandated. The government does not require it of anyone. It is the choice of every woman who has one. Government-led genocide is not even in the same sphere as each American woman's personal choice. There is no middle piece of a Venn diagram here.

It is appallingly disrespectful to every person who suffered or died in the Holocaust to use that as a platform in regards to abortion in America. Neither Jessa Duggar nor her family originated this thought as I have heard this "abortion is a holocaust" often while walking in conservative Christian circles.

It never sat right with me, and Mr. Seewald, how many women do you know who have done what I have done? A woman who became pregnant by force, not pregnant by choice, and not only carried the pregnancy but loved, nurtured and reared the child to adulthood? I have never seen the rapist's face in my son's face. I look at that child and see only the beauty of his singular self. God blessed me to see my son through a mother's loving eyes, not the pained eyes of a victim.

We have free will, Mr. Seewald. Our government allows abortion. The Bible says that God sets every authority on the earth, so apparently God even set Hitler's government? Difficult to understand, yet we believe Scripture, or profess to believe it, do we not? No woman is forced to have an abortion. No one will ever crash through her door and force an unwanted abortion.

I am pro-life, Mr. Seewald. I feel it to the deepest recesses of my soul. It grieves me that a woman feels abortion is the right choice for herself and her child. I wish it were not so. But I find myself outraged at those who cheaply attempt to co-opt the great horror of the German Holocaust to the free choice of American abortion.

Please. Just stop comparing the two. There is no comparison. Please. Respect the dead and respect the history and keep the two things separate. While the number of legal abortions is large and grievous, the fact is that each abortion was a choice exerted by the free will of the mother, one individual. It is not a holocaust unwillingly inflicted by an outside force.

Abortion is not a holocaust, and Jessa Duggar owes an apology for her disrespect to the Holocaust victims."

I see it I see it! At least, it's there for right now.

Question: When you say you're pro-life, what does that mean to you?

ETA: Your comment is EXTREMELY well-written. :clap:

[JenniferJuniper]

Over the course of my life I've known many women who have had abortions for different reasons. Close friends, aunts, two of my sisters. If any of these women had regrets, they haven't shared them with me.

The analogy these tone-deaf idiots use is flawed for a very obvious reason. It's a false equivalency. On an individual level, the demise of a three month fetus that cannot have any level of consciousness and cannot develop or survive outside of body of another is not the same thing as the murder of an actual human being. Embryos and fetuses are human life, that's true, but they are not human beings. They are only potential human beings. And that potentiality does not grant them human rights. As an embryo or fetus is dependent on a human being with human rights for continued existence, it doesn't have the right to stay should that human being not want it there.

Jessa dear, think hard now, you pretty little shithead. Was the demise of the much celebrated fetus Jubilee really the same thing to you as losing a sibling? Equivalent to losing Jinger or Hannie or Jordyn? Of course it wasn't.

This is why comparing the horrors of Hitler's torture and extermination of entire classes of human beings to abortion is so deeply offensive to thinking people. And it's incredible that anyone could walk through that museum and immediately come out babbling about abortion. Just incredible.

[MrsYoungie]

Jessa made it to "Fundies Say the Darndest Things"

fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=103864

[BrownieMomma]

JellyHope, I spent a lot of time trying to answer your question about what does pro-life mean to me.

I wrote and erased a lot. I took so long that when I submitted it, I was logged out of FJ. It did not submit.

I don't have it in me to try that again. It took a lot from my head and heart to get that down.

I appreciate your comment about my seewald comment being well-written. It surprises me that it meant a lot to me.

idk why Mike Seewald's defense of Jessa got to me enough to comment on his blog when I never felt inspired to address Jessa or write about her other than in posts on FJ.

[anti-antichoice]

Also, his "facts" & "stats" are really grinding my gears. That Gallup poll can't be accurate, can it? I was pretty sure the majority of Americans were pro-choice?? And that bullshit about how most women have horrible shame, regret, depression, etc after abortions. Every person I know who has had an abortion, all say the same general thing: relief. No regret, no depression. Sure, it's probably 1 of the hardest moments of their lives, but that doesn't = regret & depression.

I'm fairly sure the Gallup poll is as accurate as any other Gallup poll. Which is to say not very accurate. The poll is also a few years old and they've released several since that contradict the one used on the blog.

[anti-antichoice]

I left a long-ish comment about Fascism being a right-wing ideology much more similar to theirs than the pro-choice crowd's and about actual abortion policy in Nazi Germany. I continued to say that I felt sorry for Jessa because with her upbringing her chance were very slim that she would have a different opinion, and that it was him I was angry at for spewing ignorance. We'll see if it actually shows up.

[ViolaSebastian]

What amuses me (maybe amuses isn't the right word...something I find interesting) is that the penalties for abortion (for an "Aryan" woman, anyway) were increased under the Third Reich--you could be put to death for providing a woman with an abortion. Yet no one seems to mention this in their tomes about how much pro-choicers are like the Nazis.

For me, the jist of their argument is: a lot of people died during the Holocaust! Fundies feel a lot of people died from abortion! Therefore they are the same and comparable!

[Childless]

Count me as one who did not regret my abortion. If not for that abortion, I might not be here and my children definitely wouldn't be here.

The difference between the death of an embryo/fetus and the death of a living human being can be summed up in my experience. My first pregnancy was very much wanted. When it ended up being ectopic, I was devastated. I cried for 3 days straight. 5 years later, I barely ever think about it except in circumstances like reading this thread. Months can go by and I don't even give it a second thought. However, if I were to loose one of my sons, forget about crying for 3 days, I don't think I could survive. I would think about him every day for as long as I lived before giving into the grief. That is the difference between a human being and the potential for a human being. The Duggars and the Seewalds need to learn this or they will never be taken seriously.