LGBT duggar kids

[Mel314]

Hi guys! This is my first post here, so please forgive me/correct me if I'm doing anything incorrectly.

 

 

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[Ivycoveredtower]

oh no we try not to speculate on sexuality of the Duggar kids

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[Rita]

Hi, Welcome, Mel!

Unfortunately, your first post is not appropriate, per FJ site rules. Here's the quote :

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Do NOT post speculation concerning the sexual orientation of any minor children. These kids have no say in their lives being put out for public consumption and their lives are hard enough without their homophobic parents getting the idea from us that one of their children may be gay. Users who are unable to abide by this rule after warnings have been issued will be placed on a Journey to the Heart to consider their actions.

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I hope you have many more posts, but I suggest reading up, first. This is the new member page.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15470

Again, hope you stick around.

Mods, you can delete this post if you want to just erase the thread.

[Three and Done]

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[doggie]

Plus any kid that was gay may not even know or be so far in the prayer closet you would only see glowing eyes.

[Toothfairy]

Doesit really matter if anyone of these kids come out? If it happens it happens. If it doesn't who cares.

[dawbs]

alright, mea culpa here--I didn't need to do as much editing as I did there.

I got my Duggars confused (it's all the damn j's!) and I was thinking there was speculation on the wrong people. My timing was especially bad because I did "argh, will you guys knock it off" post editing before ending up dropping of the 'net for a day or 2. So Ivycoveredtower, that's on me, I'm sorry.

[Ivycoveredtower]

alright, mea culpa here--I didn't need to do as much editing as I did there.

I got my Duggars confused (it's all the damn j's!) and I was thinking there was speculation on the wrong people. My timing was especially bad because I did "argh, will you guys knock it off" post editing before ending up dropping of the 'net for a day or 2. So Ivycoveredtower, that's on me, I'm sorry.

It's okay I understand. and I should have been more clear in my post so that's on me too. I should have said I was sad for him to always be stuck at Alert and that he's always the Duggar that is singled out by people. because that's what I meant but instead i just said poor him which I can see how that could be taken as speculation.

[Mel314]

We can delete this! Sorry for breaking the rules. I'll just have to wait till they leave home lol.

[DGayle]

Doesit really matter if anyone of these kids come out? If it happens it happens. If it doesn't who cares.

It does, but only how it matters is if the kids who are gay ever feel safe coming out. I hope that any who aren't into only opposite-sex white people can find the courage to come out instead of having to talk about being ex-gay or something. If a kid is gay and doesn't come out, that's sad, and it'll be because they don't feel safe and have to hide who they are.

[doggie]

How could one come out with brother hating on gays? The prayer closet has to be like Narnia.

[lawlifelgbt]

Well, at least in Narnia, the one I suspect could hang out with Mr. Tumnus! :whistle: ;)

I'll show myself out.

[Coco]

Well, at least in Narnia, the one I suspect could hang out with Mr. Tumnus! :whistle: ;)

I'll show myself out.

awww that's actually sweet. Mr. Tumnus was a wonderful friend. No judging, i wish more people could be accepted for exactly who they are, with no bullying from family.

[lawlifelgbt]

Well, I can tell you from experience that even diehard-liberal parents have trouble when a kid comes out (my parents are lifelong Democrats, union people, accepted mine and my brother's non-white, immigrant best friends, and told me, their daughter, that I could do anything a man could). However, when I came out, I was repeatedly asked if I was "sure", told that they would pay for me to talk to someone (read: go to Bachmann's clinic), and implicitly and explicitly told to keep quiet about it. (Once, on a college tour, I wanted to ask about their LGBT student orgs and support, and my mom stood on my foot when I opened my mouth).

So I can't even imagine how it would be for religious fundies.

I feel bad for Josiah; being shipped off like that. He would have more fun in actual Narnia.

[ncb]

I think maybe this thread should be deleted as it is clear from many responses which kid the original poster was talking about.

[lawlifelgbt]

Actually, I don't see a problem. The rule is not being violated. I feel that if he's being sent away for so long, and looking gaunt and sad, his family does know to some degree and is trying to "fix" him. I think it would be better to allow discussion, since most of us have a lot of sympathy for him and don't believe he needs fixing, which would be really valuable for him (or even leghumpers!) to hear should they ever read this. He would know he's supported, and it could make the leghumpers doubt how good the family really is.

Before you attack me...I'm gay. I wouldn't want people on the Internet wondering about me, but if my family already knew, then it wouldn't matter to me.

[Toothfairy]

It does, but only how it matters is if the kids who are gay ever feel safe coming out. I hope that any who aren't into only opposite-sex white people can find the courage to come out instead of having to talk about being ex-gay or something. If a kid is gay and doesn't come out, that's sad, and it'll be because they don't feel safe and have to hide who they are.

I just don't see what the big deal is. If some kids come out as gay or if they are gay I don't think it's something to spectate about. Maybe none of the Duggar kids are gay maybe some are who knows.only time and the future will tell if they decide to come out or decide to keep it a secret. I just don't see what the big deal is regarding their sexuality. Now their cult is a different story

[DGayle]

Well, I can tell you from experience that even diehard-liberal parents have trouble when a kid comes out (my parents are lifelong Democrats, union people, accepted mine and my brother's non-white, immigrant best friends, and told me, their daughter, that I could do anything a man could). However, when I came out, I was repeatedly asked if I was "sure", told that they would pay for me to talk to someone (read: go to Bachmann's clinic), and implicitly and explicitly told to keep quiet about it. (Once, on a college tour, I wanted to ask about their LGBT student orgs and support, and my mom stood on my foot when I opened my mouth).

So I can't even imagine how it would be for religious fundies.

I feel bad for Josiah; being shipped off like that. He would have more fun in actual Narnia.

I'm so sorry your parents weren't supportive. Maybe they weren't as liberal as they thought. If one or both of my kids is gay, that's fine with us.

How were your parents "sure" they're straight?

[DGayle]

I think maybe this thread should be deleted as it is clear from many responses which kid the original poster was talking about.

I don't know which, but I'm also not looking.

[FloraDoraDolly]

It does, but only how it matters is if the kids who are gay ever feel safe coming out. I hope that any who aren't into only opposite-sex white people can find the courage to come out instead of having to talk about being ex-gay or something. If a kid is gay and doesn't come out, that's sad, and it'll be because they don't feel safe and have to hide who they are.

If a Duggar kid comes out, I expect the fundie leghumpers will be absolutely BRUTAL. It's one thing if a Hollywood celebrity comes out-- the fundies and fundie-lites already think they're a bunch of heathens, plus by the time most celebs come out most of the public has already figured it out and aren't surprised. But it's totally different when the person coming out is a famous Christian. A few weeks ago, I posted an article about a Christian pop star named Vicky Beeching who recently came out as a lesbian. I have continued to follow her story. Some of the reactions I've seen from supposed Christians are downright frightening. Go to her Facebook page and you'll see what I mean. She is getting a lot of support, but it's coming from mainline Christians, the LGBT community, and other allies. A few fundies and fundie lites have posted that they're willing to agree to disagree. But the level of hatred is off the charts, way beyond anything I've ever seen after a Hollywood celebrity came out. If a Duggar kid ever comes out, this is what he/she will have to deal with. The leghumpers will view it as some kind of a personal betrayal. They will turn against that J-kid and anyone who supports him/her, including other Duggar family members.

[Vex]

We can delete this! Sorry for breaking the rules. I'll just have to wait till they leave home lol.

Or you could not speculate on something so deeply personal at all, maybe?

As a gay person, it makes me sick to my stomach when people speculate on people's sexuality without cause. Since there is literally nothing any of the Duggars have done to suggest they might be gay (ie stories about same sex encounters, something they themselves have said about their own sexuality) there is no reason other than 'gaydar' or 'just a feeling' to speculate upon it in this manner.

It's one thing to talk about how being gay could impact the lives of those who grow up in fundamentalist families, or discussing a hypothetical situation wherein a Duggar realises they're gay and what would result from that, or discussing the sexuality of people in the movement who are known to be gay/bisexual - those are important discussions that need to be had - but it's another to speculate for the sake of speculating. Personally, I find it very offensive, especially when people speculate based on their 'gaydar'.

I am not saying all gay people find this offensive, or that because I'm gay and say it's offensive it is, just that I personally find it distasteful and offensive. I'm sure this wasn't your intention, I'm just letting you know how it makes me feel.

[isarhenne]

I admit I find it extremely interesting to see how many of the kids of mega families turn out to be gay. there are not many mega families and the research on homosexuality is just beginning.

they found out that the more sons a woman has the higher the chance the following son is gay. michelle has 10 sons. Kelly has 9 sons! think about the arndt family, they have 12 sons and 1 daughter! could this study be confirmed if we used mega families?

also michelle has a openly lesbian sister! it would just be interesting to see how genetics and birth order play a role in this. and mega families would be perfect to be a subject to studies like this. unfortunately most of them hate gays.

but let's admit it: mega families are just interesting because you can see how genes manifest themselves in different ways.

[scc12]

If any of the fundies had AIS,I wonder how they would handle it? That is androgen insensitivity syndrome.The DNA of them person is male,yet they develop into a female,just without the proper internal parts to reproduce.Biologically,according to their DNA,they're male.

It doesn't get noticed usually till the teen years when the person fails to get their period.

[bumblebee]

As a bisexual person discussion on whether someone is gay can make me uncomfortable because its often based on some annoying sterotypes. OTOH we do speculate on some deeply personal issues here, including things like how people's first times are likely to have gone and whether or not a couple is secretly using birth control, so I don't think adult sexual orientation should be off limits, as long as its within the rules.

Doesit really matter if anyone of these kids come out? If it happens it happens. If it doesn't who cares.

I realise you are coming from a positive place and I long for the day when coming out doesn't matter, but for now, especially in conservative families and many liberal families IMO, yes coming out matters.

When you haven't it can feel like it's taking over you life, that not being able to acknowledge a big part of yourself publicly is killing you and keeping you separate from the rest of the world. Being able to acknowledge it outloud to another person is a massive deal. Especially in a highly conservative, highly religious culture that is obsessed with gender roles and having as many babies as is humanly possible, who's *best* response would be to send to you a reparative therapy course. And as someone posted upthread, a lot of liberal familiesfind talking the talk easy and walking the walk much harder.

This is especially true of any celebrity in this culture see: Vicky Beeching as FloraDoraDolly mentioned. She was so stressed about her secret that she suffered from a nasty auto immune disease despite being a smart, talented and beautiful woman.

Now in terms of what it means to random strangers and not friends and family, many people won't care but a lot will and they aren't shy about expressing their disgust. OTOH sometimes its positive. knowing someone who's gay or knowing a celebrity you admire is gay means people are more likely to support gay rights.

Now in terms of whether any Duggar or other well known mega family kid is actually gay, no it doesn't matter one way or the other but its probably statistically likely. But if they are and they ever do want to come out, then yes, it will matter.

[isarhenne]

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