Glimpses of Mr. Dillard

[antwan]

From an internet article that highlighted OSU students learning to save (uh oh...foreshadows of "buy used, save the difference"???)

Dillard is Pistol Pete, OSU’s mascot, but he doesn’t get paid for his university appearances at athletic events. Students who portray Pistol Pete doesn’t even get a scholarship. Dillard can make some money as Pistol Pete by attending non-university events, like weddings, in costume.

Dillard pays out-of-state tuition, and applies for academic scholarships. He lives on-campus and uses the university’s meal plans.

 

And his Pistol Pete days: (which, btw, we should officially dub him here...Jilly Bean and Pistol Pete)

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/so ... mode=story

 

He has a private blog entitled Himalayan Cowboy (.blogspot.com)

 

His friend from college, Stephen Jones, was in the wedding.

 

Okay, now does anyone have any info or pics from further back? Highschool days?

Where did he even attend highschool?

[nomoxian]

At least he gets to go to a university and live away from the Headship. That's more than many fundie kids get, male or otherwise!

[Jana814]

Thanks for the link to the article!!

[sorchah]

Here's an article about how he became Pistol Pete: http://www.ocolly.com/news/article_89ac ... 7b33f.html (link not broken because it's the university paper)

Easy find, but here's his linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/derick-dillard/31/470/4b3 (not broken because linkedin) I wonder if he wore wholesomewear as a lifeguard and swimming instructor. Maybe he wore a speedo. :lol:

Here are photos from his Eagle Scout ceremony: troop122.com/Pictures/eaglescoutceremony051207/index.htm Looks like his brother was also an Eagle Scout.

[FloraDoraDolly]

If the baby is a boy, he and Jill should name him Pete! 8-)

[Jana814]

If the baby is a boy, he and Jill should name him Pete! 8-)

Agree!

[Katie_Bug]

Hey Peter (Pete for short) is a biblical name!

[antwan]

Hey Peter (Pete for short) is a biblical name!

Peter James Dillard.

P.J.

I like it. :D

[antwan]

Here's an article about how he became Pistol Pete: http://www.ocolly.com/news/article_89ac ... 7b33f.html (link not broken because it's the university paper)

Easy find, but here's his linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/derick-dillard/31/470/4b3 (not broken because linkedin) I wonder if he wore wholesomewear as a lifeguard and swimming instructor. Maybe he wore a speedo. :lol:

Here are photos from his Eagle Scout ceremony: troop122.com/Pictures/eaglescoutceremony051207/index.htm Looks like his brother was also an Eagle Scout.

Derek in a speedo. Haute! :mrgreen:

Hey, nice sleuthing on the Eagle Scout pics. Looks like Derek needed to earn a badge in making (and eating) a burger or two back then, bean pole that he was.

[Coco]

That's so cool that he was an eagle scout! what a catch for Jill, seriously, no snark. He's done a lot of awesome things. 8-)

[VeryNikeSeamstress]

I really hope that Derick and Jill allow their children to do the type of stuff Derick did growing up.

[Becket70]

This is where Jim Bob's plans hit a brick wall. Having gone to college himself, it would seem likely that Derrick would want, at least his son, to go to college. What are the odds that they would let their sons go to college and not let their daughters go to college? That would be too glaring to ignore and difficult to explain. Same with Josh...will he insist that his children be home schooled and nothing beyond that? Josh is living in the real world where his colleagues have degrees and are probably sending their kids to college or trade school. Hopefully, Jim Bob's inane policy of not allowing his children to be properly educated for life in the 21st century will begin and end with the current generation of Duggars.

[uber frau]

Some of the fundiest of fundies have gone to college-Steve and Teri Maxwell, Geoff Botkin, DPIAT, Bill Gothard, to name a few.

Most of the hardcore first generation fundies seem to view their fairly normal formative years as the moral equivalent of playing on the freeway. They might have survived (ie, not been dragged into the kingdom of Satan) but it was a close call and there's no way they'd willingly allow a child into a similar situation.

Having a college degree doesn't guarantee a person will allow their kids.

However, I'm sure JB will have at least some grandkids who do go to college. Partly because their parents will be second generation and probably not as zealous as JB, and partly because it's increasingly difficult to find a job that will fund a comfortable(ish) middle class existence without some sort of higher education.

[Antigone]

That is awesome to see, kind of that Derrick has an education, and perhaps he can influence Jill to kind of learn more, even if it isn't a degree, she can be comfortable with educating herself more in a chosen field, especially to be an example to their child. It would be nice to see JB's "legacy" shot down in flames, and the grandkids (and maybe the littlest kids) educated well instead of gaining a poor SODRT education. Just my two cents, since Severus and I are well educated (now I am, after ten years of working at a BA!) and we want to see our child and her friends, and hell, any child, succeed at education, anywhere from SODRT to private school, anything that works! (and brings to light any oppression! :angry-banghead: JB :angry-banghead:

[mebeforee]

It's interesting that even though the fundies who are educated are very critical of college, people in their communities still respect them and follow them because of that academic background.

I think it's true that Josh is probably uncomfortably aware of his lack of education compared with the successful people around him. He must know at this point that he's largely there because he's lucky, he has a famous family and carries their reputation and a certain amount of their followers with him to the group he works for. But he's not qualified like the others and I'm sure it's actually embarrassing and frustrating on a daily basis to be in so far over his head.

I have some problems with the Boy Scouts of America because of their history of discriminatory practices and their weird connections with the Mormon church. However, it's awesome to me that Derick made Eagle Scout. He's had so many more opportunities and experiences than the Duggars have, even just a basic look at the activities he's been involved with show that he's lived an active life. I wonder if some of the Duggar boys notice the difference between the things they've been allowed to do and what Derick has done. Maybe some of them will work to achieve more when they finally get free of their parents.

I hope Derick and Jill allow their kids to be involved in scouts, though I doubt they would allow their girls in scouting since GSUSA is such a progressive organization and Derick himself wouldn't have personal nostalgia attached to it. But hopefully he and Jill will see the value in having experiences outside of Gothard's sanctioned ones, that not all activities have to be focused wholly on Jesus. Even if their boys do ALERT cadets, I hope they'll get to do Boy Scouts, too, because the opportunities provided in those organizations appear to be very different. Being in a scout troop with people of different backgrounds (even if they're all conservative), leadership from unrelated adults and fun activities where they can go do archery and camping and hang out with their friends outside of their backyard, all that stuff does a lot toward creating independent kids with high self-esteem and a strong sense of self. That kind of exposure to other ideas that may challenge your own doesn't destroy values, it makes them stronger.

[antwan]

Hopefully, Jim Bob's inane policy of not allowing his children to be properly educated for life in the 21st century will begin and end with the current generation of Duggars.

Well, being a home educator myself (and having been in public schools, private schools, and having a college education as well), I personally have experienced more than one way to properly receive an education. Speaking for myself, it isn't that the Duggars chose an alternative education for their children. Rather, it's that they appear to have made it a "one size fits all." All must be homeschooled, all must avoid a physical college campus (even though Jill wanted to attend, or so she expressed in the past), etc.

Our homeschooling experience has included, since the beginning, consideration of each of our children's gifts, needs, and weaknesses, as well as consideration for their futures and what steps we feel must be taken in order for them to successfully navigate that future. When I look at Jessa, in particular, I don't get that sense that anyone has adequately considered these things for her, and she just seems without purpose. She drives one of the Duggar expensive cars, shops, lives in her reality star role, and takes mission trips. But what are her DREAMS and goals, and how is she going after them??? I don't see it at ALL.

Josh is doing fine, both when he had a business (albeit from daddy) and now with his position at FRC. Even when they have no need for him, he will have gained skills and made some great networking contacts to move forward again. John David seems very goal oriented on his own. Jill and Jana kind of buddied up (no pun intended) for their midwifery/doula studies. Ginger seems like she WANTS to have a future (she dreams), so that's at least a start. But Jessa....that girl is LOST. I fault her parents for making their lifestyle, including their education philosophy, a "one size fits all" because it clearly does not fit that young woman well at all. Now she's marrying the man-cub. Maybe being a momma IS her "best possible outcome" in spite of those, here, who think she isn't all that cut out for mega-mommy-dom (myself included in that thinking.) Sigh. :shrug:

[antwan]

And as I sit here and ponder...

It's such an oxymoron that JB appears to want college educated men for his daughters (he clearly DOES realize the potential advantage of that), but is perfectly fine with denying other people's daughters the same advantage through HIS sons. :naughty:

[Jana814]

I really hope that Derick and Jill allow their children to do the type of stuff Derick did growing up.

I hope that also. I get the impression that Derick was not raised in a religious household. I wonder how is mother felt went to turned to religion.

[mebeforee]

Have we heard anything from Derick's family about religion? I assumed he did grow up in a religious home, though not the kind of fundieism you'd expect to marry a Duggar.

[RosyDaisy]

I get the impression that Derick was not raised in a religious household. I wonder how is mother felt went to turned to religion.

Clearly she didn't like the whole courting and accountability thing.

[mebeforee]

Clearly she didn't like the whole courting and accountability thing.

Yeah, she seemed really annoyed by it. And I'd think the implication that her adult son couldn't be trusted would be insulting to her as a mother.

[RosyDaisy]

I know it would be to my mother. I can only imagine what my dad would say....something along lines of "grown ass adults don't need chaperoning and accountability, so butt out you ignorant ass".

[marmalade]

Cathy made the remark to Mullet that they'd both raised their children with the "same instruction manual," which was obviously meant to be the Bible. I imagine they were fairly mainstream Southern Baptist, given Cathy has a Master's and had a long, successful career at WalMart before striking out on her own as a self-employed consultant.

But as we've seen with other college-educated mainstream Christians (or some that weren't raised in the faith), they often become the biggest zealots. I hope this doesn't happen with Derick, but there are no guarantees. He could turn Jill toward a more mainstream path once the cameras go away, or he could turn into a Millenial version of Steve Maxwell.

[Feberin]

I think it's true that Josh is probably uncomfortably aware of his lack of education compared with the successful people around him. He must know at this point that he's largely there because he's lucky, he has a famous family and carries their reputation and a certain amount of their followers with him to the group he works for. But he's not qualified like the others and I'm sure it's actually embarrassing and frustrating on a daily basis to be in so far over his head.

I think Josh has for awhile resented his poor education. He wanted at one point to become a lawyer but all he was allowed was an online law school, which he never completed. I definitely think he's going to send his sons to college but he seems the type who wouldn't send his daughters since he's very biased about genders and favors his boys. And as far as explaining that I'm sure they'll have Mack explain that she doesn't want to go to college like her brothers.

[ViolaSebastian]

I think Josh has for awhile resented his poor education. He wanted at one point to become a lawyer but all he was allowed was an online law school, which he never completed. I definitely think he's going to send his sons to college but he seems the type who wouldn't send his daughters since he's very biased about genders and favors his boys. And as far as explaining that I'm sure they'll have Mack explain that she doesn't want to go to college like her brothers.

I agree with you there--I think his experience at the FRC has resulted in him being surrounded by a colleagues that are head and shoulders above him in terms of education--most likely those with masters degrees and Ph.Ds, which as I understand it is pretty much the rule for employment at a D.C. establishment like that. (The obvious exception being a conservative homeskooled reality T.V. star. :roll: ). I can't imagine him being anything but the butt of a lot of jokes at his place of employment. I imagine that his sudden catapult to executive (of all things...) created a lot of hard feelings amongst the other employees--heavens knows I'd be pissed if someone with barely a 'good enough diploma' came swooping in to be my boss after years of obtaining a college education and putting in the labor at a job remotely related and not, say, a used car lot.