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I imagine the majority of members actually do believe that those views are correct. Otherwise, why would they be there?

I'm not denying that. I agree that they do. But until they realize that that theology is the core of the problem, all the by law changes and financial reports in the world are not going to change anything.

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Maybe some people are waking up and realizing how twisted MH's doctrine is.

“I was shocked,†Abolafya said. “Mark officiated our wedding four days after he had initiated that thread. It really upset me to know that was the kind of stuff that was going on in his head at that time.

“I’d had no personal beef with Mark Driscoll,†she said. “But his preaching had really done a number on my head. It permeated our marriage, affected how I looked at myself as a woman, how I viewed my husband. I wasn’t able to view it for what it was while I was inside that environment, but within a matter of days since deciding we weren’t going back, it was like a cloud was lifted. All of a sudden I could breathe again.â€

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/ ... lexml.html

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http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/ ... lexml.html

Excellent article, which sums up the key issues, the timeline, the critics, the dysfunctional dynamics, the bodies under the bus -- all of it. Kudos to that writer. Also, they credit the Janet Mefford plagarism accusation interview as a pivotal point. It is worth re-reading Pastor Mark'sTM very manipulative on-the-spot response to the accusation. But more importantly, it caused Mefford and other bloggers (Throckmorton among them) to really begin digging.

The picture of Pastor MarkTM in raggedy ass jeans and a Carhart shirt, however, ewwww.

Well done and thanks for posting that link, shedemei.

I do think the utter vitriol in the William Wallace posts may have been a last straw for some (many?) people, even though the William Wallace aka Driscoll comments were posted back when, because it is obvious that he stepped way over some line, and had never really crossed back to the sane side.

Maybe some people are waking up and realizing how twisted MH's doctrine is.

“I was shocked,†Abolafya said. “Mark officiated our wedding four days after he had initiated that thread. It really upset me to know that was the kind of stuff that was going on in his head at that time.

“I’d had no personal beef with Mark Driscoll,†she said. “But his preaching had really done a number on my head. It permeated our marriage, affected how I looked at myself as a woman, how I viewed my husband. I wasn’t able to view it for what it was while I was inside that environment, but within a matter of days since deciding we weren’t going back, it was like a cloud was lifted. All of a sudden I could breathe again.â€

This, exactly this.

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I was chastised by the woman quoted in the article above on the "We Are Not Anonymous" FB page for suggesting that any woman still attending MH is ignoring the misogynist elephant in the room: ALL of their pastors/leaders subscribe to the "women have no right to a voice" doctrine put forth by Driscoll. I "don't understand" because I am "outsider". Uh, I left the cult -- oops, church I grew up in. I've been there, done that, and have the therapy bills to prove it.

Another article came out yesterday. More evidence that women are second-class citizens in that "church". Driscoll's demands that his wife have their children by Caesarian because he "doesn't like wide hips"? Women there compete with each other to be seen as the "perfect" wife? Uh, NO.

http://www.seattleweekly.com/home/95463 ... -mars-hill

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More evidence that women are second-class citizens in that "church". Driscoll's demands that his wife have their children by Caesarian because he "doesn't like wide hips"?

sheese, apparently it is possible for this guy to be even more repellent....

Demanding that your wife give birth by Caesarian doesn't have to do with wide hips, it has to do with HIS sexual preference, i.e., he doesn't want to have sex with a woman who has delivered vaginally because he fears she may not be as "toned" down south after giving birth.

The creepster/perversion factor for this guy is definitely eleventy.

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It will be interesting to read the forthcoming book on this debacle -- Biblical Porn.

How fitting.

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It will be interesting to read the forthcoming book on this debacle -- Biblical Porn.

How fitting.

I can't wait to read it as well. I hope she has a publisher lined up already.

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sheese, apparently it is possible for this guy to be even more repellent....

Demanding that your wife give birth by Caesarian doesn't have to do with wide hips, it has to do with HIS sexual preference, i.e., he doesn't want to have sex with a woman who has delivered vaginally because he fears she may not be as "toned" down south after giving birth.

The creepster/perversion factor for this guy is definitely eleventy.

Gross.

Without getting too TMI, my ex husband and I had no issues after two vaginal deliveries. Maybe the problem lies with Mark, if ya know what I mean.

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Gross.

Without getting too TMI, my ex husband and I had no issues after two vaginal deliveries. Maybe the problem lies with Mark, if ya know what I mean.

Yup, I do know what you mean!

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Well, he's compensating for _something_, that's for damn sure.

He's overcompensating. He's been overcompensating for a long time now.

I'm guessing he thinks nobody's ever going to figure that out, too.

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I created a marshill.com account so I could watch the live stream of Mark's announcement a few weeks ago. I just got an email from them "Click here to view your annual giving statement." LOL, obvs it said $0.

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Sutton Turner, second in command at Mars Hill and their "executive pastor", has resigned as of yesterday. Please note his departure date in the letter from the third-in-command -- days before Driscoll is due back from his extended vacation. If it hasn't hit the fan already at MH, something more is coming, IMHO.

www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorto ... uncertain/

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Resignation announcement:

His personal decision is a sober acknowledgement that it would not be financially feasible for him to stay on staff as the church rightsizes itself

Translation: He's been making absolute butt loads of money at Mars Hill and they are cutting his salary. Back to the world of bidness and godless big bucks for him. He'll also be at a distance when the terminal poop hits the fan and can avoid being spattered.

Warren Throckmorton quoted Sutton's 2012 comment on transparency and financial affairs at Mars Hill:

It is my belief that the reason we have such poor giving by our Church is the lack of stewardship in the Church staff. Churches with excellent stewardship see greater giving because people know that every dollar they give will go towards the mission of the Church. It is very clear this has not been the case at Mars Hill Church.

Likely Sutton Turner knows where the (financial mismanagement) bodies are buried, and may know the church is about to implode financially. In the 2012 quote, he is admitting that the church hierarchy has been lying/deceptive about how money is being used in the church.

Throckmorton's 2012 post is certainly worth revisitng: Sutton Turner in 2012 on Mars Hill Church’s Financial Situation: “We are in a big mess†, both for the details it contains and to be reminded how long the crisis has been going on.

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