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Haha, I first read that as your roommate has small boobage because she doesn't wear Mormon undergarments :lol:

Ha ha! If LDS garments could make me well-endowed, I may actually be tempted to convert! :lol:

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For the too lazy to google, here is what Mormon undergarments look like:

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Wow, I have never seen them before.

I kinda figured asking a Mormon missionary if I could see his underwear (even if I offered to show mine first) might make him run away. Might guarantee that I would never see another missionary again though.

Btw I like your avatar. Jinger has such adorable weird facial expressions.

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Sort of off-topic question, but do young, modern Mormon couples tend to wear the garments? I've seen quite a few young, temple- married couples and it just doesn't seem like those ridiculously huge garments could be hiding under the clothes they wear (form-fitted, yet modest shirts, etc).

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Sort of off-topic question, but do young, modern Mormon couples tend to wear the garments? I've seen quite a few young, temple- married couples and it just doesn't seem like those ridiculously huge garments could be hiding under the clothes they wear (form-fitted, yet modest shirts, etc).

There are a lot of Mormons where I live, and as far as I know, they do. The picture posted as an example shows garments that are a tad more cumbersome than the typical garments-- perhaps they are a little outdated? From what I've seen/heard about garments, they are tighter than shown, especially the women's top. Kind of like a typical camisole, but with cap sleeves. And the bottoms are a tad shorter as well. Women can't wear "regular" shorts with their garments (or else they would show), but they can wear things like Bermuda shorts that come a couple of inches above the knee.

Guy garments are less of an issue since guys typically tend to wear looser clothes. They are basically like undershirts and slightly longer than usual boxers/boxer-briefs. Not sure how tight they are for men.

There are four S's for when you don't need to wear the garments-- let me see if I can remember them. Sleeping, sports, swimming, and showering, I think. I always forget one and want to say it's sex! :embarrassed:

Actually, maybe it is! I'm just looking online, and at least one site has sex instead of sleeping. Though I can't imagine they'd be too strict about sleeping in garments.

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I suspect that at some point there will be an(attempt?) at a break away off shoot of the LDS that ordains women and openly accepts gay people (without telling them they have to be celibate) before that church agrees to ordain women officially. IIRC they only received testimony about black men in leadership positions after it had become politically impossible to ignore. I think this will be a while yet in coming but its I'd like to say its impossible if they want to survive. OTOH I don't think the Catholic Church is anywhere near ordaining women, nor mainstream SBC, but I have seen a greater number of articles questioning priestly celibacy in the last couple of years. I don't think that's happening soon but its becoming a more mainstream question.

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There are a lot of Mormons where I live, and as far as I know, they do. The picture posted as an example shows garments that are a tad more cumbersome than the typical garments-- perhaps they are a little outdated? From what I've seen/heard about garments, they are tighter than shown, especially the women's top. Kind of like a typical camisole, but with cap sleeves. And the bottoms are a tad shorter as well. Women can't wear "regular" shorts with their garments (or else they would show), but they can wear things like Bermuda shorts that come a couple of inches above the knee.

Guy garments are less of an issue since guys typically tend to wear looser clothes. They are basically like undershirts and slightly longer than usual boxers/boxer-briefs. Not sure how tight they are for men.

There are four S's for when you don't need to wear the garments-- let me see if I can remember them. Sleeping, sports, swimming, and showering, I think. I always forget one and want to say it's sex! :embarrassed:

Actually, maybe it is! I'm just looking online, and at least one site has sex instead of sleeping. Though I can't imagine they'd be too strict about sleeping in garments.

I was going to mention, technically you are meant to wear them when sleeping (and doing Yard work - they specifically talked about this a couple of conferences ago). I will say though, I have friends/family who wear them at all times (even to yoga!), and others who definately bend the rules, and consider things like "it's hot, so I want to wear a tank top for my walk" reason to not wear them...

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I was going to mention, technically you are meant to wear them when sleeping (and doing Yard work - they specifically talked about this a couple of conferences ago). I will say though, I have friends/family who wear them at all times (even to yoga!), and others who definately bend the rules, and consider things like "it's hot, so I want to wear a tank top for my walk" reason to not wear them...

Thanks! Yeah, my roommate confirmed that you are supposed to wear them while sleeping. And when I looked up the guidelines, I saw the thing about yard work which I guess gets translated to sports too-- if it's feasible to wear them during a sport, you are supposed to, even if that makes it uncomfortable. But like you mentioned, the site I was on said that rule was apt to be bent, especially by the younger crowd.

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My first impression upon seeing those is that heat would be a concern as well. The last thing I'd want to do in a desert is throw on another layer underneath what I'm wearing. I have a genuine--but genuinely stupid--question: Do the ladies wear regular 'heathen' panties under the bottom garments? Or is full contact required? Because I wouldn't want to wear just those rather flimsy looking things during my period.

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Mormon communion (when I saw it) was cubes of Wonder Bread and tap water so she can indulge to her heart's content.

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My first impression upon seeing those is that heat would be a concern as well. The last thing I'd want to do in a desert is throw on another layer underneath what I'm wearing. I have a genuine--but genuinely stupid--question: Do the ladies wear regular 'heathen' panties under the bottom garments? Or is full contact required? Because I wouldn't want to wear just those rather flimsy looking things during my period.

I would guess that at least for the women they wear heathen panties underneath, cuz putting a pad on those things would be asking for trouble. I'm curious too now.

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I would guess that at least for the women they wear heathen panties underneath, cuz putting a pad on those things would be asking for trouble. I'm curious too now.

For the women in my family, they wear them without other underwear, except when they have their periods. Apparently there is a strip in there that can be used, but it is permissible to use panties during your period (this conversation came up when I took a younger female family member to the ER one night and she mentioned she might buy a pair of plain, bikini cut "ER" panties after being examined by a young, male Dr. and feeling really awkward as we come from an area with a very low LDS population)

I also know at least some wear bras over the top, as I walked in on a different family member getting changed once, but from what I understand that is a guideline, not a rule.

On a side note: I believe today is the day they are making a decision on John Dehlin.

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For the women in my family, they wear them without other underwear, except when they have their periods. Apparently there is a strip in there that can be used, but it is permissible to use panties during your period (this conversation came up when I took a younger female family member to the ER one night and she mentioned she might buy a pair of plain, bikini cut "ER" panties after being examined by a young, male Dr. and feeling really awkward as we come from an area with a very low LDS population)

I also know at least some wear bras over the top, as I walked in on a different family member getting changed once, but from what I understand that is a guideline, not a rule.

On a side note: I believe today is the day they are making a decision on John Dehlin.

As far as I know, the Mormon women I do know wear those garments with regular underwear underneath during their periods, but in general, underwear generally isn't a topic most people discuss, and certainly nobody will mention garments. These women even live in Las Vegas, which as you know gets pretty hot in the summer, yet they still wear garments unless they're actually going swimming. The married women who've had children tend to favor tankini suits with either a skirt bottom or shorts bottoms, while younger Mormons tend to wear bikinis.

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Yes, that is what the garments look like. You can get them in several styles--as seen above, a cap-sleeve camisole, and one-piece*. You're "supposed" to wear your bra over them, which is why you might now be able to see them under clothes, as the embroidered symbols would be covered by the bra cups.

* The one pieces are opened at the crotch, for those wondering how using the bathroom would work. It opens all the way from the belly button to the back above your crack, so when you go to sit down to pee, you just spread the fabric apart. When I wore them, the one-pieces were surprisingly more comfortable than 2-piece because there's no constant adjusting of 2 extra layers of fabric.

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It's interesting that women are allowed to show More arm than men. The men's' sleeves come almost down to his elbows while you see almost all of the woman's upper arm.

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Regarding garments, I was just going through a blog that I used to follow until it went private two years ago and I just found out it was public again. The author is LDS, and I saw this photo and was thinking it was odd that you could see her sister-in-law's bra strap but not a garment line, but then I wondered--are the white shirts they're wearing actually the garments themselves? If so, is this normal for LDS women to show their garments like this?

Photo in question: 1.bp.blogspot.com/_8MrCtFiQoHI/SmkPzHhp4SI/AAAAAAAACEE/vjLVoH1Yfsg/s0/DSCF0459.JPG

BTW, I actually started following her for other reasons (at the beginning a lot of the blog was about her recovery from anorexia) and didn't even know she was LDS for a while. She and her family are definitely not fundie going by some of what she writes about, and I've seen a lot of bikini photos and tank tops with bare shoulders even on the married women, but they all attend church regularly I get the impression they're pretty high in the church hierarchy. There was a mention of the current prophet being an old family friend and doing the sealing for one couple, and her parents were the head of the Utah Provo mission for a few years. I think her father used to work for the church in some capacity. I always thought it was surprising that they definitely don't fit my stereotype of a Mormon, but they seem quite devout.

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To answer some more questions:

When I wore them, for my period I'd wear a pad in regular undies with garments over the top. You're supposed to wear them with full contact (bra over them with no undies underneath) but lots of people bend that rule. If you get them a couple sizes smaller they aren't so baggy.

As for that picture... no, you're not supposed to let your garments be seen like that.

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Regarding garments, I was just going through a blog that I used to follow until it went private two years ago and I just found out it was public again. The author is LDS, and I saw this photo and was thinking it was odd that you could see her sister-in-law's bra strap but not a garment line, but then I wondered--are the white shirts they're wearing actually the garments themselves? If so, is this normal for LDS women to show their garments like this?

I couldn't see the pic, but, no, the garments are never supposed to be shown.

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Here, I re-hosted the picture.

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Maybe they just have the same white t-shirt, but I know they are both temple-going Mormons.

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I don't think these are garment tops, but can any LDS or former LDS FJers chime in?

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Googling images of LDS women's garments I don't think it is either; I was just confused about why they would need the modesty t-shirt when they wear sleeveless tops and bikinis all the time. :lol:

There were a lot more pictures of women's garments than I expected. It seems like there's some kind of Mormon soft-core porn site. :?

I really am being creepy for wondering what kind of underwear people wear, but I do see lots of outfits that seem like they wouldn't accommodate garments, but the same people go to church every week and to the temple often. Do they often just not wear the garments at all? I obviously don't care if they do or not, but I want to know what's going on here. :lol:

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They make garments with that neckline and in that fabric. Without seeing the fronts uncovered (to see the embroidered symbols), I can't tell you for sure. The church says you're supposed to wear them at all times except for bathing, swimming, and sex (and maybe for giving birth or having surgery) and to get your temple recommend renewed the bishop will even ask if you wear them at all times, but they could just lie and say that they do. You're also "supposed to" wear your bra over them, not under, so again... without seeing the front, I can't tell if it's a garment top or just a white shirt that looks exactly like garments.

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Googling images of LDS women's garments I don't think it is either; I was just confused about why they would need the modesty t-shirt when they wear sleeveless tops and bikinis all the time. :lol:

There were a lot more pictures of women's garments than I expected. It seems like there's some kind of Mormon soft-core porn site. :?

I really am being creepy for wondering what kind of underwear people wear, but I do see lots of outfits that seem like they wouldn't accommodate garments, but the same people go to church every week and to the temple often. Do they often just not wear the garments at all? I obviously don't care if they do or not, but I want to know what's going on here. :lol:

Not all Mormons have been to the temple, and even then, there are times when they don't have to wear garments, such as swimming, sex, sports, and things like childbirth or surgery. Also, it's also likely that people might lie to their bishop about how often they wear garments, especially if by being honest means they won't attend a sibling's or child's temple wedding. There are also layering t-shirts made by companies catering to Mormons and others concerned about modesty that come in different colors, including white which is the same color as Mormon garments.

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You're also "supposed to" wear your bra over them, not under

Yeah, is this an actual rule or just tradition? I've seen some women say they were instructed to wear the garments under the bra, and then some who said they were told it doesn't matter. Is it like men wearing white shirts and women wearing skirts to church, where there's no actual rule against wearing colored shirts or pants on women, but it just isn't done?

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Yeah, is this an actual rule or just tradition? I've seen some women say they were instructed to wear the garments under the bra, and then some who said they were told it doesn't matter. Is it like men wearing white shirts and women wearing skirts to church, where there's no actual rule against wearing colored shirts or pants on women, but it just isn't done?

It's just tradition. In my experience, mostly older women are really adamant about it.

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