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"catch a baby" that quote is so perfect for so many baby falling out of her stretched out uterus jokes.

I'm still baffled by this. After 19 pregnancies, she now decides to use this term? It's so obnoxious. She's clearly referring to conceiving, not giving birth. If she were referring to giving birth, then it would make sense, but she's not. And I really don't get it. She may get pregnant every time she touches his soap, but it's not airborne :cray-cray:

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I'll admit, other than young children who have needed extensive dental work, I've never heard of anyone getting general anesthesia for any kind of dental work. General is what they give you when you're having major surgery, most of the time you are intubated. Even c-sections usually get a spinal block so you are awake unless it's a true emergency. Almost everyone I've ever know got "twilight" anesthesia, where you are awake and can cooperate but they have pumped you so full of versed that you don't remember anything - like you'd get with a colonoscopy.

Had to go back and check and yes, my daughter's extraction was done under general. Apparently there's a National Board of Dental Anesthesiology, who knew. Oh, the guy who did it is an oral surgeon, not just a dentist (MD DDS).

From his website:

'Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery requires additional years of hospital-based surgical and anesthesia training after graduation from dental school. In addition, Dr. A attended medical school at University of California, San Francisco (UCSF). As an oral and maxillofacial surgeon, Dr. A manages a wide variety of problems relating to the mouth, teeth and facial regions. Dr. A practices a full scope of oral and maxillofacial surgery with expertise ranging from:

Dental Implant Surgery

Wisdom Tooth Removal

Corrective Jaw Surgery. This also includes techniques designed to rebuild bone structure with minimal surgical intervention and optimal patient comfort.

We can also diagnose and treat Facial Pain, Facial Injuries and Fractures.

Our staff is trained in assisting with Intravenous (IV) Sedation or outpatient General Anesthesia in our state-of-the-art office setting. Patients are continuously monitored during and after surgery.

Surgical Staff

The surgical staff at Dr. A’s practice are experienced, certified oral and maxillofacial surgical assistants, who assist in administration of I.V. sedation and surgery. We also have a trained registered nurse (RN) to assist in surgery. All staff are informed administrative personnel, well-versed in health and insurance policies and are CPR certified.'

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IIRC, Kelly Bates sought "fertility treatments" so she could carry to term. I remember when they started being featured on the show, the pop-ups would say she was pregnant with number 18, but she was pregnant for like a year and never changed. She had two? miscarriages between 17 and 18. She saw a fertility doctor to get the proper hormone balance so she could carry to term and have a healthy baby. I can see Michelle checking her levels to see if she needs to do the same. They can't artificially create a pregnancy, but they can help keep it viable.

Also, I think they're okay with injectable fertility treatments, which surprises the hell out of me. The first Above Rubies issue I ever read featured a couple with seven or children. When they got married, she immediately went to a fertility doctor bc she couldn't have children. (She never discussed why this was so and I never understood it until I discovered that they seriously get these things checked out before marriage. Is this like a condition for marriage? I get the house inspected before I buy it so they get their potentials wives inspected before they marry them? Fucked. Up.) They used something and she conceived right away. And then a "miracle" happened and they didn't need fertility treatments anymore because Jesus. Anyway, my point is that Nancy Campbell seems okay with fertility treatments and Kelly Bates seems okay with fertility treatments (even if they're not as "severe" as using conception treatments) so why wouldn't Michelle be okay with fertility treatments.

This brings me back to an earlier comment in another thread about the triple date coming up. Michelle and Jessa and Jill could all be pregnant at the same time. Ew.

IRL it's not about letting God have control of NOT having kids, it's all about MORE kids.... That Above Rubies description is really getting at the heart of what the Duggars believe. They say that they let God decide, but actually they think they are called to have as many as they can any way that they can.

This is what Nancy Campbell from Above Rubies said in an NPR interview:

"The womb is such a powerful weapon; it's a weapon against the enemy," Campbell, of Above Rubies says if believers don't starting reproducing in large numbers, biblical Christianity will lose its voice. "We look across the Islamic world and we see that they are outnumbering us in their family size, and they are in many places and many countries taking over those nations, without a jihad, just by multiplication," Campbell says. Still, Quiverfull is a small group, probably 10,000 fast-growing families, mainly in the Midwest and South. But they have large ambitions, says Kathryn Joyce, who has written about the movement in her book Quiverfull: Inside The Christian Patriarchy Movement. "They speak about, 'If everyone starts having eight children or 12 children, imagine in three generations what we'll be able to do. We'll be able to take over both halls of Congress, we'll be able to reclaim sinful cities like San Francisco for the faithful, and we'll be able to wage very effective massive boycotts against companies that are going against God's will."

source: npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102005062

So, it's about taking over the world :lol:

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Of course the disconnect is, God doesn't need a million quiverfull kids, since following Christ is not about race, it's about choice to be a Christian (or not) and anyone can decide that for themselves no matter what their birth race happens to be. And what happens if the quiverfull kids don't want to be Christian? Especially after a life of huge-family hell? :twisted: But, that's what they believe, and it's why J'chelle is so focused on babies.

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I can't imagine going to a dentist and being put completely under-- it sounds so unnecessary. General anesthesia can have complications and I would rather be in a hospital with an anesthesiologist standing by.

I have Meniere's Disease. Dental work without sedation provokes vertigo and panic attacks from hell. So, I have to be sedated for my own safety. But, My dentist uses oral meds and nitrous oxide rather than IV meds.

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IRL it's not about letting God have control of NOT having kids, it's all about MORE kids.... That Above Rubies description is really getting at the heart of what the Duggars believe. They say that they let God decide, but actually they think they are called to have as many as they can any way that they can.

This is what Nancy Campbell from Above Rubies said in an NPR interview:

"The womb is such a powerful weapon; it's a weapon against the enemy," Campbell, of Above Rubies says if believers don't starting reproducing in large numbers, biblical Christianity will lose its voice. "We look across the Islamic world and we see that they are outnumbering us in their family size, and they are in many places and many countries taking over those nations, without a jihad, just by multiplication," Campbell says. Still, Quiverfull is a small group, probably 10,000 fast-growing families, mainly in the Midwest and South. But they have large ambitions, says Kathryn Joyce, who has written about the movement in her book Quiverfull: Inside The Christian Patriarchy Movement. "They speak about, 'If everyone starts having eight children or 12 children, imagine in three generations what we'll be able to do. We'll be able to take over both halls of Congress, we'll be able to reclaim sinful cities like San Francisco for the faithful, and we'll be able to wage very effective massive boycotts against companies that are going against God's will."

source: npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102005062

So, it's about taking over the world :lol:

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Of course the disconnect is, God doesn't need a million quiverfull kids, since following Christ is not about race, it's about choice to be a Christian (or not) and anyone can decide that for themselves no matter what their birth race happens to be. And what happens if the quiverfull kids don't want to be Christian? Especially after a life of huge-family hell? :twisted: But, that's what they believe, and it's why J'chelle is so focused on babies.

I've read that quote from Kathryn Joyce before. It's horrifying that this is their plan and they're actually succeeding in some areas. There are entire states where evolution must be taught along with christianity's creationism. They want a theocracy and I really think they'll get it, at least in part. I honestly can see the US breaking up into a few smaller countries and one of them being Jesusland. They will seriously call it that, too. And ya know what - let them. Seriously. In a few generations they're be so poor and destitute and uneducated that it'll be a Jesusly-perverted version of Idiocracy. "Why is there moss of the rock, Daddy?" "Bc Jesus" "What can I take for my staph infection?" "Jesus"

ETA: Michelle has "season of life" and I have "seriously" :whistle:

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I've read that quote from Kathryn Joyce before. It's horrifying that this is their plan and they're actually succeeding in some areas. There are entire states where evolution must be taught along with christianity's creationism. They want a theocracy and I really think they'll get it, at least in part. I honestly can see the US breaking up into a few smaller countries and one of them being Jesusland. They will seriously call it that, too. And ya know what - let them. Seriously. In a few generations they're be so poor and destitute and uneducated that it'll be a Jesusly-perverted version of Idiocracy. "Why is there moss of the rock, Daddy?" "Bc Jesus" "What can I take for my staph infection?" "Jesus"

ETA: Michelle has "season of life" and I have "seriously" :whistle:

I think Jesusland wouldn't last very long. So many of these fundies disagree on things that seem to be minutia for us (skirt length etc), but to them it's a big fucking deal. Jesusland would implode over tons of little disagreements.

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Who here is really convinced that J'chelle and J'Bob would be open to IVF? They are obsessed with saving money and it would KILL them to watch thousands go down the drain for something that they've preached against for so long. I'm not saying they're not considering it, but to think they'd actually go through with it is against what we know of their character. Besides, these idiots enjoy sex too much and they would hate to think one of their children was made in a lab rather than made through God's love conceived via willy in the tube.

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Who here is really convinced that J'chelle and J'Bob would be open to IVF? They are obsessed with saving money and it would KILL them to watch thousands go down the drain for something that they've preached against for so long. I'm not saying they're not considering it, but to think they'd actually go through with it is against what we know of their character. Besides, these idiots enjoy sex too much and they would hate to think one of their children was made in a lab rather than made through God's love conceived via willy in the tube.

They TALK about saving money all the time but they also seem to waste a lot of money sometimes.

Sure as hell though, if they did IVF we wouldn't know about it.

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I'll provide this beforehand... :brain-bleach: :brain-bleach: :brain-bleach: :brain-bleach: :brain-bleach:

They couldn't do IVF as Jim Bob would have to masturbate to give his sample. Surely he's never done such a thing before.

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I'll provide this beforehand... :brain-bleach: :brain-bleach: :brain-bleach: :brain-bleach: :brain-bleach:

They couldn't do IVF as Jim Bob would have to masturbate to give his sample. Surely he's never done such a thing before.

Well, that just killed my libido and my fiancée's as well.

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I'll provide this beforehand... :brain-bleach: :brain-bleach: :brain-bleach: :brain-bleach: :brain-bleach:

They couldn't do IVF as Jim Bob would have to masturbate to give his sample. Surely he's never done such a thing before.

I just puked :ew: and don't forget having impure thoughts while giving a sample. JB also hates wasting his precious swimmers, if they are still working properly.

I'm sure if they were really desperate they would do it. But I doubt any doctor would take Michelle as a client.

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Who here is really convinced that J'chelle and J'Bob would be open to IVF? They are obsessed with saving money and it would KILL them to watch thousands go down the drain for something that they've preached against for so long. I'm not saying they're not considering it, but to think they'd actually go through with it is against what we know of their character. Besides, these idiots enjoy sex too much and they would hate to think one of their children was made in a lab rather than made through God's love conceived via willy in the tube.

They were willing to blow $200,000 on political campaigning so I hardly think they would blink an eye on thousands if it meant getting precious number 20 and grabbing the attention of the whole world.

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Well, not only does Boob need a bunch of "swimmers", she's got to produce several eggs ready for fertilization. It's not an easy task. She'd have to get "hyped" up on drugs, then undergo a usually painful procedure to harvest the eggs. I doubt she'd produce many viable eggs at her age.

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IVF will not help her if her uterus is incapable of sustaining life. On top of that, I think they would have serious moral objections. These are the people who are convinced that they accidentally murdered their baby by taking the birth control pill. I don't think IVF would be an option for them.

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IVF will not help her if her uterus is incapable of sustaining life. On top of that, I think they would have serious moral objections. These are the people who are convinced that they accidentally murdered their baby by taking the birth control pill. I don't think IVF would be an option for them.

Agreed, they'd be in an Octomom sort of situation. If they had more than 1 or two viable embryos...what do you do with the rest? can't just kill them, that is for sure.

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Agreed, they'd be in an Octomom sort of situation. If they had more than 1 or two viable embryos...what do you do with the rest? can't just kill them, that is for sure.

daughter wives.

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Michelle would keep on using these embryos until her uterus falls out. There wouldn't be any left over.

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Well, not only does Boob need a bunch of "swimmers", she's got to produce several eggs ready for fertilization. It's not an easy task. She'd have to get "hyped" up on drugs, then undergo a usually painful procedure to harvest the eggs. I doubt she'd produce many viable eggs at her age.

I can't speak to anyone else's experience, but there was no pain whatsoever involved in my egg retrieval. Anesthesia! And when I woke up, no pain either. Other than giving myself injections that were mildly uncomfortable (and really that was just the trigger shot, which is intramuscular and a loooong needle; all the stim drugs were pen needles which you can barely even feel), none of IVF hurts.

But I can't imagine Michelle would make any viable eggs are her age, even with drugs. And if they did somehow end up with a bunch of embryos, I'm sure Michelle would either use them all or allow them to be "adopted."

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Is the doctor they saw on last week's show even a fertility treatment doctor? His white coat said "Maternal-Fetal Medicine."

Everything that's come out of their mouths directly seems to be that they just want to know if having a baby is possible -- they don't seem to be saying anything about possible treatments. Of course, maybe they wouldn't tell anyone if that was what they ultimately choose...

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I can see J'chelle having an Oops baby in a few years. Josh will have two or three more than he has now, Jill and Jessa will each have one or two or possibly three. Another duggar child or two will courting or married, with possibly another set of grandbabies starting, and Jesus will grant her a miracle and bless her with that all mighty precious #20. It's happened before and I can see it happening again. When I first started looking into this family, I remember reading about another quiverfull family and the mother ha her last baby when her eldest was 32! She nearly had teenage grandchildren (I think they were 11 or 12) and a newborn baby herself. J'chelle would probably love that.

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Is the doctor they saw on last week's show even a fertility treatment doctor? His white coat said "Maternal-Fetal Medicine."

Everything that's come out of their mouths directly seems to be that they just want to know if having a baby is possible -- they don't seem to be saying anything about possible treatments. Of course, maybe they wouldn't tell anyone if that was what they ultimately choose...

No he isn't a fertility specialist. TLC was misleading as I've complained about multiple times on the forum.

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I can see J'chelle having an Oops baby in a few years. Josh will have two or three more than he has now, Jill and Jessa will each have one or two or possibly three. Another duggar child or two will courting or married, with possibly another set of grandbabies starting, and Jesus will grant her a miracle and bless her with that all mighty precious #20. It's happened before and I can see it happening again. When I first started looking into this family, I remember reading about another quiverfull family and the mother ha her last baby when her eldest was 32! She nearly had teenage grandchildren (I think they were 11 or 12) and a newborn baby herself. J'chelle would probably love that.

She'd be nearly 50. Not impossible, but highly improbable

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She'd be nearly 50. Not impossible, but highly improbable

Nothing's impossible for Jesus :worship:

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Nothing's impossible for Jesus :worship:

except the ability to raise their own children jesus can't make miracles happen.

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Jesus blessed her with 19 kids. What else does she want? If she does manage(which I highly doubt) to get pregnant with baby 20 carry it to full term, what will happen after that? Would she try for number 21. I always think that Jb and michelle see their children as trophies that they show off.

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