Duggar Fertility Doctor Visit

[DGayle]

Is it really a majority who get local? I refused anything but general (which turned out to be a mistake because I react badly to it, but this was my first surgery, so who can blame me,) and I thought it was 50/50 as far as local vs general for wisdom teeth.

My doctor also said that general anesthesia for wisdom teeth isn't real general anesthesia... I forget the exact explanation, though. Did I say doctor? I meant an anesthesiologist explained this to me. But I was on morphine at the time, so I could be mis remembering?

Sometimes it's general, and sometimes it's twilight sedation, Versed which doesn't require 12 hours of fasting. When one of my daughters had to have some dental work done, it took appealing to the insurance company to get them to cover any sedation, instead of strapping her to a board. When going through all that, the dentist told us that insurance companies rarely cover anything they see as elective, like root canals on the back-most set of molars (those usually get pulled), and any sedation, even for kids and for adults getting wisdom teeth taken out, and most people decide to skip it. Sometimes dentists do it anyway and just eat the cost so they don't lose out on the rest of the money, and sometimes they charge you the fee, which usually isn't tons unless you need to go to a hospital, which my younger did.

I'm not a dentist, just repeating what the dentist told me in February.

[Trynn]

Wait.... I knew that children In 3rd world countries go without anesthesia... And I've donated to that fund when it still existed...

But here in America children are expected to go without anesthetic?!?!? I think I'm going to be sick.

[16strong]

Wait.... I knew that children In 3rd world countries go without anesthesia... And I've donated to that fund when it still existed...

But here in America children are expected to go without anesthetic?!?!? I think I'm going to be sick.

Oh, disgusting. :ew: I've had 5 teeth pulled in my life (2 for braces, 3 wisdoms), and both times I was at least put under local (although I'm the only one I know in my circles that hasn't gone for general). It turns out I need quite a bit more anesthesia for my size (about 2-3x more) than most doctors measure, so I've been glad both times. They wouldn't continue pulling until I went completely numb and no longer felt the pain, which was quite a bit. I can't imagine not having ANY anesthesia. *shudder*

[Coconut Flan]

The oral surgeon we've used assured us he had the magic words to get all the wisdom teeth removed for our kids using sedation being covered by insurance and so far he's done it.

[Cheetah]

Wait.... I knew that children In 3rd world countries go without anesthesia... And I've donated to that fund when it still existed...

But here in America children are expected to go without anesthetic?!?!? I think I'm going to be sick.

Not without anesthetic entirely, just with local rather than with general (in many cases).

My daughter had her wisdom teeth out last summer. She did have general anesthesia. We paid extra for that. I'm not really sure how much cheaper it would have been for just local, but she had a lot of anxiety about the procedure and it was worth it to just put her under and have it be less stressful for her.

[Toothfairy]

:doh:

Why is everything they do on this show portrayed as soooo special and unique? They bring cookies to the first aid squad. Wow. They visit a school. My god, how amazing. They find out the sex, oops, GENDER, of their baby. Well, this is worthy of a live announcement on the Today show. Michelle stops her periods. Ordinary women take some estrogen and buy a Chillow. Michelle enters a special season of life. After all these years on the show, I think she actually believes her own hype.

:pray:

Because people in the real world don't to through this :roll:

[Toothfairy]

They had mentioned adoption before on the show..but do you really think they would ? A person not made of their genes, someone they couldn't control and brainwash from birth..I doubt it. They'd never get a newborn, the waiting lists are years long.

They will never adopt. First in fundieland that's not allowed(thank goodness) second we all know how Michelle and Jim Bob love to brag about how each and everyone of their children are theirs. She delivered every single one of them. Third, no agency is going to choose the Duggars over a couple who really wants children. Children are not trophies.

[Ave Maria]

I got a big laugh out of how Josh "learns a very special lesson" when he drank some ice tea before having his wisdom teeth out because all those snowflakes had to have general anesthesia instead of local like the overwhelming majority of us. It's like they were trying to make it all out to be a significant life-altering lesson worthy of a moment of silence and awe.

General, or at least twilight sleep, seems like the norm for this generation. Then again, DH and I still have our wisdom teeth, so I don't know *that* much about it, but my friends and cousins were all put under. It was one reason that I opted out -- pain doesn't scare me, but drugs do.

[ADoyle90815]

General, or at least twilight sleep, seems like the norm for this generation. Then again, DH and I still have our wisdom teeth, so I don't know *that* much about it, but my friends and cousins were all put under. It was one reason that I opted out -- pain doesn't scare me, but drugs do.

I was one of those who was put under general, as a couple of my wisdom teeth were impacted so they had to surgically remove them. The insurance my parents had at the time covered it, as it was considered a necessity as it was to prevent any future infections and problems later in life. This was done when I was in high school, so I was still covered under my parents' insurance.

[DGayle]

Wait.... I knew that children In 3rd world countries go without anesthesia... And I've donated to that fund when it still existed...

But here in America children are expected to go without anesthetic?!?!? I think I'm going to be sick.

No no, there's always local. Getting general to knock you out is different, and it's definitely not always covered. When my dad had a impacts in all four, no general under insurance, but he paid the extra. When I had all mine out, even though I em epileptic and stress can set off seizures, insurance didn't cover it, and I could either shell out $200 on the spot I didn't have, or reschedule and fight the insurance company. Since I was having issues with one tooth, I risked it and had it done with only local. One of my daughters needed general, and we had to fight for a few months. Her dental work was extensive enough to need to go to an actual OR. She has a tooth issue, not bad hygiene. The other is terrified of drill sounds, so we had to pay $120 for her to have gas. Not everyone can afford the extra for gas, and sadly, those on state aid are less likely to have the funds, and Medicaid is even tougher to get to cover stuff like that since it's seen as not necessary for the work to be done since local anesthesia exists.

[singsingsing]

I was under general when I had my wisdom teeth out, and trust me, there was no choice. They weren't coming through yet and they had to take out all four. They had to take them out because I'd just finished two years of braces and all that time/money/angst would have gone to waste once the teeth started coming in messing everything up. That may very well have been the case for the Duggars, too, or at least some of them, given that they've had a lot of dental/orthodontic work done.

[louisa05]

I was under general when I had my wisdom teeth out, and trust me, there was no choice. They weren't coming through yet and they had to take out all four. They had to take them out because I'd just finished two years of braces and all that time/money/angst would have gone to waste once the teeth started coming in messing everything up. That may very well have been the case for the Duggars, too, or at least some of them, given that they've had a lot of dental/orthodontic work done.

Mine were impacted as well. One was side ways. I had five years of braces about to be wasted. But I did it with a local. I didn't want general, too much time and trouble. An oral surgeon did it and it was quick. I felt pressure in my jaws, but no actual pain.

[singsingsing]

Mine were impacted as well. One was side ways. I had five years of braces about to be wasted. But I did it with a local. I didn't want general, too much time and trouble. An oral surgeon did it and it was quick. I felt pressure in my jaws, but no actual pain.

Well, good for you, then. All I know is that medical professionals told me I needed general - local was never even an option - and for some reason I listened to them.

[Rebelwife]

General, or at least twilight sleep, seems like the norm for this generation. Then again, DH and I still have our wisdom teeth, so I don't know *that* much about it, but my friends and cousins were all put under. It was one reason that I opted out -- pain doesn't scare me, but drugs do.

I'll admit, other than young children who have needed extensive dental work, I've never heard of anyone getting general anesthesia for any kind of dental work. General is what they give you when you're having major surgery, most of the time you are intubated. Even c-sections usually get a spinal block so you are awake unless it's a true emergency. Almost everyone I've ever know got "twilight" anesthesia, where you are awake and can cooperate but they have pumped you so full of versed that you don't remember anything - like you'd get with a colonoscopy.

[Trynn]

Mine were impacted, and I had a choice. No one here is saying you shouldn't have listened to the professional. We are just longing out that impacted teeth don't always require general.

Haha I was NOT awake and cooperative for my procedure. My grandma was there when they knocked me out... And like, I was in the twilight stage for quite a while before I finally knocked out. The surgeon said that because I was nervous the adrenaline was preventing the anesthesia from working, so they had to use more than the normal amount to put me under.

Grandma said I was in zombie state but not out enough for surgery, and then finally I sighed and dropped my head. At that point, grandma was asked to leave the room.

[Flossie]

I'll admit, other than young children who have needed extensive dental work, I've never heard of anyone getting general anesthesia for any kind of dental work. General is what they give you when you're having major surgery, most of the time you are intubated. Even c-sections usually get a spinal block so you are awake unless it's a true emergency. Almost everyone I've ever know got "twilight" anesthesia, where you are awake and can cooperate but they have pumped you so full of versed that you don't remember anything - like you'd get with a colonoscopy.

People are sedated for colonoscopies? I had one once with no anesthesia, no big deal. Maybe I didn't have a colonoscopy, I had to lay on my side at the doctor's office while a tiny camera on the end of a flexible tube was threaded up my butt to check out my colon. There was a TV in the room showing everying the camera was seeing. After a while I got bored and pulled out my trashy paperback romance book (that I'd brought to have something to read while in the waiting room), and started reading the book instead.

I recently spoke with someone who had the same procedure and was given some meds to make him 'happy', but I'd assumed that it was because he has anxiety problems.

[Handmaiden of Dog]

Mine were impacted as well. One was side ways. I had five years of braces about to be wasted. But I did it with a local. I didn't want general, too much time and trouble. An oral surgeon did it and it was quick. I felt pressure in my jaws, but no actual pain.

I had the same experience. I can't imagine going to a dentist and being put completely under-- it sounds so unnecessary. General anesthesia can have complications and I would rather be in a hospital with an anesthesiologist standing by.

[nokidsmom]

They will never adopt. First in fundieland that's not allowed(thank goodness) second we all know how Michelle and Jim Bob love to brag about how each and everyone of their children are theirs. She delivered every single one of them. Third, no agency is going to choose the Duggars over a couple who really wants children. Children are not trophies.

I don't think they will adopt either. Besides that it's not allowed in fundieland, the J'parents have built their brand around having more kids. Now that J'chelle looks to be going through that "season of life" and all likelihood is done having more kids, they have to do something that makes them look they are still trying. So adoption and fertility specialist are talked about but really I think it's exactly that: talk to keep the interest in the whole "will they have no. 20?" question going amongst their audience.

If in the event they would try to adopt I would hope that any agency would take a very hard look at their lifestyle plus also the fact mentioned above that they already have 19 kids versus a couple that doesn't have any.

[amydamy]

Sometimes it's general, and sometimes it's twilight sedation, Versed which doesn't require 12 hours of fasting. When one of my daughters had to have some dental work done, it took appealing to the insurance company to get them to cover any sedation, instead of strapping her to a board. When going through all that, the dentist told us that insurance companies rarely cover anything they see as elective, like root canals on the back-most set of molars (those usually get pulled), and any sedation, even for kids and for adults getting wisdom teeth taken out, and most people decide to skip it. Sometimes dentists do it anyway and just eat the cost so they don't lose out on the rest of the money, and sometimes they charge you the fee, which usually isn't tons unless you need to go to a hospital, which my younger did.

I'm not a dentist, just repeating what the dentist told me in February.

When I had my wisdom teeth out with twilight sedation my dental insurance covered the surgery but my health insurance paid for part too. I only paid about $200 out of pocket. I think it was my heath insurance that covered the sedation.

[karen77]

I had my wisdom teeth pulled, under general sedation, Don't remember a thing!! Just waking up. I don't think mine were through yet though. Insurance covered it (this was 16 years ago, mind)

[nausicaa]

All right--time to tell my crazy wisdom teeth story. I let mine grow in for too long and there was some infection in the gums. Two were impacted and two were not. I finally got them pulled when I was twenty four. Dude rubbed a little bit of a topical numbing agent on my gums and then went at it.

I wasn't in pain but could feel everything. The cutting, the digging, even the squeaking as the wisdom tooth rubbed against my last molar (oh God the squeaking!). I was so uncomfortable he finally shot something into my gums.

I didn't even know that general anesthesia was available for wisdom teeth until a few weeks ago when some friends were talking about it. If I had known that was an option, you bet your ass I would have taken it!

[twinmama]

I had the same experience. I can't imagine going to a dentist and being put completely under-- it sounds so unnecessary. General anesthesia can have complications and I would rather be in a hospital with an anesthesiologist standing by.

I think lack of a hospital doesn't necessarily mean lack of anesthesiologist (holy shit it took me a while to type that word). For my IVF cycle I was at my RE's office, not in a hospital, and I was under twilight for egg retrieval. We had to pay the anesthesiologist out of pocket, by check, right before my procedure ($500, IVF is awesomely expensive). And my brother has horrible dentist anxiety so he goes to a sedation dentist, even for a tooth cleaning he's under general (or twilight, not sure how his doc does it actually). Sounds insane to me, but it is the ONLY way he would ever set foot in a dentist's office.

[twinmama]

All right--time to tell my crazy wisdom teeth story. I let mine grow in for too long and there was some infection in the gums. Two were impacted and two were not. I finally got them pulled when I was twenty four. Dude rubbed a little bit of a topical numbing agent on my gums and then went at it.

I wasn't in pain but could feel everything. The cutting, the digging, even the squeaking as the wisdom tooth rubbed against my last molar (oh God the squeaking!). I was so uncomfortable he finally shot something into my gums.

I didn't even know that general anesthesia was available for wisdom teeth until a few weeks ago when some friends were talking about it. If I had known that was an option, you bet your ass I would have taken it!

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[singsingsing]

I had mine done at the orthodontist's practice and there was an anaesthesiologist there. How could there not have been? I don't think you can put someone under general anaesthesic without an anaesthesiologist? Trust me, general anaesthesia freaks me out and I would never do it unless it was absolutely necessary, and in this case it most definitely was.

[MandyLaLa]

"catch a baby" that quote is so perfect for so many baby falling out of her stretched out uterus jokes.