Bathing Attire and Scott Brown

[debrand]

The name of the article is:

Why I am Against Bikini Clad Girls and Bare Chested Boys Swimming in My Lake

Well, if Scott Brown owns a lake on his property, he can certainly create any rules that he wishes. Although I am not certain who would swim without his permission. That is trespassing.

If he doesn't own the lake he can go jump in the proverbial lake.

But if you go to the shopping malls to look for clothing and walk the streets and the beaches to see what folks were wearing, you would think that the purpose of clothing was to reveal your body to excite and entice men, not cover it. The predominance of tight shirts, halter tops, string bikinis, tube tops, mini skirts, belly shirts, swimwear, and athletic clothing tell the story quite effectively.

Fundie men must spend all their time looking at women so that they can be shocked. Seriously, most people can notice a good looking person without leering or getting offended. If Scott Brown can't do this, he doesn't need to be allowed in public.

For example, most everyone reveres the artistic contributions of Michelangelo and Leonardo Da Vinci, who are arguably the most talented painters and sculptors in the history of mankind. Who were these men? Their works were primarily influenced by pagan Greek philosophy which glorified and exposed the naked body. Under the influence of homosexuality, they produced some of the most adored homoerotic sculptures and paintings of the gay community. We call it art.

This just sounds crazy. However, I like the fact that doing something so simple as enjoying art and wearing a bathing suit is considered rebellious by Brown.

The Bible says that nakedness should be covered and that you should be ashamed of yourself if you “flaunt it.â€

He sounds like a grumpy old man

So, here are some guidelines that I believe are consistent with the biblical teaching on modesty and clothing and nakedness. So, if you are swimming here in my domain, here are some suggestions. Women, should wear a shirt and shorts over their bathing suits. There should be an effort to cover the details. For men, I ask for shirts or some kind of upper body covering. And, obviously, no speedos!

Again, does the man own a lake? If not, he must realize that he can't make rules for other people on public property.

[debrand]

scottbrownonline.com/why-i-am-against-bikini-clad-girls-and-bare-chested-boys-swimming-in-my-lake/

[hoipolloi]

Another piece of pontificating dreck from Scott Brown.

Here, Scott, let me fix some of your verbiage for you:

Jeff Pollard says it this way, “Fashion designers have used swimwear to undress America.†Who can deny this? It is as obvious as a fly on your nose or as the beam in your eye, Scott.

ETA: I am so fucking sick and tired of these cosmic assholes telling everyone else how to live and judging them because they're doing it wrong.

[FJismyheadship]

Glad he isn't saying I have to wear clothes to shower

[Childless]

I find the best approach to assholes like this is to ignore them and dress how you want.

[ViolaSebastian]

For example, most everyone reveres the artistic contributions of Michelangelo and Leonardo Da Vinci, who are arguably the most talented painters and sculptors in the history of mankind. Who were these men? Their works were primarily influenced by pagan Greek philosophy which glorified and exposed the naked body. Under the influence of homosexuality, they produced some of the most adored homoerotic sculptures and paintings of the gay community. We call it art.

Maybe someone should let him in on the fact that da Vinci was tried for sodomy but the case was dropped for lack of evidence. That wasn't exactly easy in Italy in the 15th century.

[Miggy]

"So, here are some guidelines that I believe are consistent with the biblical teaching on modesty and clothing and nakedness. So, if you are swimming here in my domain, here are some suggestions. Women, should wear a shirt and shorts over their bathing suits. There should be an effort to cover the details. For men, I ask for shirts or some kind of upper body covering. And, obviously, no speedos!"

Well, Scott Brown, I am quite happy to see my husband in a shirt and no speedos but don't you think that might be quite defrauding to other ladies present.

[ILoveJellybeans]

Scott's just jealous that he doesn't look half as good in a bikini as they do.

[Maggie Mae]

Women, should wear a shirt and shorts over their bathing suits. There should be an effort to cover the details. For men, I ask for shirts or some kind of upper body covering. And, obviously, no speedos!

Obviously he has never swam for speed, nor participated in a triathlon. (Which, USAT tries to make "family friendly," by requiring full torso coverage for men and women, and penalizing times for offenders). Also, fuck him for trying to police what I work out in. I don't own a bikini, I prefer to actually be able to swim, but something tells me he'd find my suit offensive anyway. And no, I'm not going to look for modest athletic clothes to work out in. I buy for function. I wear tight running shorts or capris because my thighs touch and it's more comfortable. I wear tight shirts because they are more comfortable on me than the oversize baggy shirts that some women prefer. I wear bike jerseys because they are longer in the back, comfortable, and form fitted to reduce drag.

[Chowder Head]

For example, most everyone reveres the artistic contributions of Michelangelo and Leonardo Da Vinci, who are arguably the most talented painters and sculptors in the history of mankind. Who were these men? Their works were primarily influenced by pagan Greek philosophy which glorified and exposed the naked body. Under the influence of homosexuality, they produced some of the most adored homoerotic sculptures and paintings of the gay community. We call it art.

How truly sad that any "art" that shows any skin or lord forbid nakedness is considered a sin/lust/proversion.

The Bible says that nakedness should be covered and that you should be ashamed of yourself if you “flaunt it.â€

Where? i need facts ... I thought that at the beginning we were running around willy nilly with out clothes.

[lillybeth]

He was awfully descriptive in that list. Probably because he was stuck in a headspace thinking about all those outfits :barf:

[16strong]

Scott Brown, your gums are flapping again. You might want to find a doctor and get that fixed. It seems to be a real problem for you.

[BalconySmoker]

Somebody needs to explain the difference between art and erotica to this moron. I don't know a single person who jerks off to the images on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Likewise, you cannot get a degree in Hustler Magazine. That's because nudity in art and nudity in pornography aren't the same damn thing.

[Cleopatra7]

This paragraph explains in a nutshell why modern "religious" art is bad by definition. Modern Christians are so busy trying to preach to others that they their attempts to create art always end up being crude apologetics. Medieval and Renaissance art is real, even when it depicts scenes from the Bible or Greek mythology. That is to say, the art from these periods wasn't afraid to get down and dirty in the grotesqueness of real life, whether its adultery, plagues, murder, war, infanticide, corrupt clergy, etc. The Decameron tales are probably the most Catholic stories you'll ever read, but modern conservo-trad Catholics would never read it because the stories make fun of the Church and have medieval people in general behaving badly. Same for the Canterbury Tales. "Paradise Lost" was written by a Puritan, but I doubt the posters on the Puritan Board will read it because Lucifer is portrayed as being glamorously evil. Ovid's "Metamorphosis" and Virgil's Aeneid were adored during the era of European Christendom, but today's tender young Christians can't be exposed to pagan authors, now can they? These patriarchal/quiverfull people remind me of Islamists, in that both are bent on eliminating art, music, and joy from life.

[JesusFightClub]

Without question, the modern swimsuit has created a new spectator sport called girl watching.

Of course, men never watched women and girls before the swimsuit was invented. :angry-banghead:

[geeklove]

Has he never seen La Pieta?

[docmom]

For example, most everyone reveres the artistic contributions of Michelangelo and Leonardo Da Vinci, who are arguably the most talented painters and sculptors in the history of mankind. Who were these men? Their works were primarily influenced by pagan Greek philosophy which glorified and exposed the naked body. Under the influence of homosexuality, they produced some of the most adored homoerotic sculptures and paintings of the gay community. We call it art.

I have to say that when seeing these works for the first time, I never once said to myself "What amazing homoerotic sculptures and paintings these are".

Scottie, women could be dressed in burkas and your dirty little mind would still be filled with lust. Maybe a little SELF control- not EVERYONE ELSE control...

[AnywhereButHere]

So, here are some guidelines that I believe are consistent with the biblical teaching on modesty and clothing and nakedness. So, if you are swimming here in my domain, here are some suggestions. Women, should wear a shirt and shorts over their bathing suits. There should be an effort to cover the details. For men, I ask for shirts or some kind of upper body covering. And, obviously, no speedos!

So, it's okay if I wear a bathing suit, I would just have to cover it up with shorts and a t-shirt, thereby negating the need for a suit in the first place. What's the point? I have a sneaking suspicion that he would find most styles of women’s shorts to be indecent anyway. Men, however, apparently only need to wear a shirt with bottoms being optional? Talk about defrauding… Then again, he does go on and on about nude sculpture in a way that sounds almost admiring, so hmmmm, something to think about? :P

[browngrl]

Could Scott Brown be a "never nude" like Tobias Funke? It would explain so much. :lol:

[ladyamylynn]

Could Scott Brown be a "never nude" like Tobias Funke? It would explain so much. :lol:

There are literally dozens of us!

[acheronbeach]

Does he have no idea that this is not normal? Most men - most people, actually - don't look at art and think "ooh, what a naughty looking sculpture... I'm getting all hot n' bothered," and most men don't gawk at other women on the beach.

He's got some very abnormal, I'd even say deviant, thoughts about sex. And he's trying to normalize his problem.

[itsnikki05]

What makes him think he can tell folks what to wear? Mind you, I wear a tighter 3/4 length sleeves shirt over my swimsuit now after getting a bad burn last year, but I promise y'all, I'm not paying much attention to everyone else and what they are wearing while swimming, that's just silly. (Although I did scratch my head at the girl who always wore socks at the swimming area last year, but whatever! Not my feet!!)

[Nothing2CHere]

Where? i need facts ... I thought that at the beginning we were running around willy nilly with out clothes.

This! Adam & Eve were running around naked and everything was all fine and dandy until that serpent the devil tempted them to eat the fruit which made them realize, "Hey, we're naked!" So if anything, the devil is in favor of us covering up, not God.

[fun2beme]

I am cracking up at the comments here. I, like several others, was not moved to sinful thoughts when I saw David or the Sistine Chapel. Now, some of the fully clothed Italian men - that's a different story!

I wonder if the image of Jesus on the cross (shirtless) is also offensive to him?

"Bible says that nakedness should be covered and that you should be ashamed of yourself if you “flaunt it." His use of quotes around "flaunt it" makes it appear that this is a direct Bible quote. Certainly never saw that in my version.

[louisa05]

I am cracking up at the comments here. I, like several others, was not moved to sinful thoughts when I saw David or the Sistine Chapel. Now, some of the fully clothed Italian men - that's a different story!

I wonder if the image of Jesus on the cross (shirtless) is also offensive to him?

"Bible says that nakedness should be covered and that you should be ashamed of yourself if you “flaunt it." His use of quotes around "flaunt it" makes it appear that this is a direct Bible quote. Certainly never saw that in my version.

Most fundies don't like images of Jesus on the cross because they are "too Catholic". It was also explained to me when I taught at fundy-lite school that Catholics have crucifixes because they don't believe in the resurrection. :? Still not sure what we are doing at Catholic church on Easter in light of that.