The only moral abortion is my abortion

[znthahmed378]

http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canad ... ales.shtml

Not breaking the link because it's the Pro-choice Action Network.

I don't know if this site has been mentioned before or not, but if it has then the mods can move it. Anyway, the above is a link to an article about anti-choice women who have abortions. There are anecdotes from doctors and others who worked in abortion clinics about their encounters with antis who come in get an abortion.

"In 1990, in the Boston area, Operation Rescue and other groups were regularly blockading the clinics, and many of us went every Saturday morning for months to help women and staff get in. As a result, we knew many of the 'antis' by face. One morning, a woman who had been a regular 'sidewalk counselor' went into the clinic with a young woman who looked like she was 16-17, and obviously her daughter. When the mother came out about an hour later, I had to go up and ask her if her daughter's situation had caused her to change her mind. 'I don't expect you to understand my daughter's situation!' she angrily replied. The following Saturday, she was back, pleading with women entering the clinic not to 'murder their babies.'" (Clinic escort, Massachusetts)

I bet her daughter's situation was no different than a lot of women who showed up at that clinic: not being in the right time or place in their lives for a baby. The cognitive dissonance evident in all of these anecdotes is mind-blowing.

[rward]

http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/anti-tales.shtml

Not breaking the link because it's the Pro-choice Action Network.

I don't know if this site has been mentioned before or not, but if it has then the mods can move it. Anyway, the above is a link to an article about anti-choice women who have abortions. There are anecdotes from doctors and others who worked in abortion clinics about their encounters with antis who come in get an abortion.

I bet her daughter's situation was no different than a lot of women who showed up at that clinic: not being in the right time or place in their lives for a baby. The cognitive dissonance evident in all of these anecdotes is mind-blowing.

It's no different than all the people on some form of welfare (food stamps, WIC, etc.) complaining about welfare queens. I'm just down on my luck, everyone else is an irresponsible idiot, I guess.

(Edited because I do actually understand grammar, I swear.)

[AuntCloud]

It's like a family member who is a naturalized US citizen, not Christian and never served in the military and a former WIC recipient, who is posting the most conservative, militant right-wing bullcrap FB posts. Go figure.

[chaotic life]

It's entirely possible her daughter was a rape victim. However, that is the straw-man argument of the rape exception. If it's okay for a rape victim to have an abortion, why is not okay for everyone else. In fact, it was the issue of the rape exception that made me see the light. It's NO ONE'S BUSINESS what a woman and her doctor feel are best for her life and her body, no matter how she got to the point that she has to make any decision.

[lemonhead]

During the big abortion law debates last summer here in Texas, I listened in total disbelief as woman after woman testified to the legislative committees that they were so remorseful and broken over having chosen abortion--and therefore we should take away that right from everyone. So..."I exercised my right to have an abortion, but you shouldn't be able to because I regret it." The narcissism and cognitive dissonance, as znthahmed378 said, was mind-boggling.

[patsymae]

During the big abortion law debates last summer here in Texas, I listened in total disbelief as woman after woman testified to the legislative committees that they were so remorseful and broken over having chosen abortion--and therefore we should take away that right from everyone. So..."I exercised my right to have an abortion, but you shouldn't be able to because I regret it." The narcissism and cognitive dissonance, as znthahmed378 said, was mind-boggling.

Well, I really regret getting married...

[Miggy]

I had an abortion and have never regretted it therefore every woman should have to have at least one? Same logic, right?

[RosyDaisy]

It's no different than all the people on some form of welfare (food stamps, WIC, etc.) complaining about welfare queens. I'm just down on my luck, everyone else is an irresponsible idiot, I guess.

Sorry to change the subject, but I ask people just who are these welfare queens dressed in fancy clothes, jewelry, and driving fancy cars are. Not a single person I ask can give a first hand account of running into a "welfare queen". It's all well so-and-so said this his/her sees them all the time. Then I say well, if you haven't seen it first hand you are a) a gossip b) believe everything anybody tells you, and c) STFU since you have no clue what you're talking about.

[Swamptribe]

The whole welfare queen thing is a myth.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10/14 ... -must-die/

Do a web search, plenty of more articles on this myth out there.

[docmom]

A friend of mine has very conservative, active in the anti-abortion movement parents. They are doing their absolute best to completely outlaw abortion in the US. Once when she was a teenager my friend asked her parents what they would do if she were raped and became pregnant and couldn't get an abortion here. Answer- they'd take her to Europe for an abortion. My friend is now active in the pro-choice movement.

[Minerva]

Sorry to change the subject, but I ask people just who are these welfare queens dressed in fancy clothes, jewelry, and driving fancy cars are. Not a single person I ask can give a first hand account of running into a "welfare queen". It's all well so-and-so said this his/her sees them all the time. Then I say well, if you haven't seen it first hand you are a) a gossip b) believe everything anybody tells you, and c) STFU since you have no clue what you're talking about.

It's always "Well, I know someone who knows someone who [insert far-fetched anecdote]." Why concede that you can't judge a situation you only know half the facts about, and why refrain from embellishing such an anecdote, when you could be like "I know someone who's had 5 abortions because having multiple surgeries is totes easier than unwrapping a condom every time! She also hates puppies and America!"

[rezski44]

Back when abortion was only legal in a few states a coworker who had been involved in helping women travel to g

et them helped an anti who said that she needed the abortion to keep up with her anti abortion work. Since the service was confidential my coworker told me this years later with no names. The "rules" only apply to others.

[Minerva]

Back when abortion was only legal in a few states a coworker who had been involved in helping women travel to get them helped an anti who said that she needed the abortion to keep up with her anti abortion work. Since the service was confidential my coworker told me this years later with no names. The "rules" only apply to others.

Perhaps for some of them, anti-abortion activism is more of a career, something to keep busy with, or a way of boosting their Church cred than something they genuinely believe in.

Also, when you're young and have chugged the kool-aid, you might believe in a black and white world where everyone who has an abortion does so willy nilly after having slept with 15 people and carelessly getting pregnant. Your anti-abortion activism is about stopping those people. So when you or a loved one gets pregnant, well you're not one of those people, so your views don't apply.

[MamaJunebug]

The first anti-abortion treatise I ever read was foisted upon me when I was 14 or 15 and trying to make sense of a ridiculously huge high school I'd entered. A pretty girl who never before, and never after, gave me so much as a "Hi" in the halls approached me with her posse of 2 or 3 other pretty, uninterested girls. She pushed the paper onto the top of my stack of books so forcefully that the top book nearly fell off, and she snipped "Read this" and swanned on without breaking stride.

It was the heartbreaking thing about "I'm so sweet and gentle, I have blue eyes and blonde hair and I look forward to playing and --- Mommy? Mommy? why are you killing me????"

This was right after abortion became not-illegal, 1967 or so.

That was the only time, as I say, that Miss Thing found it to her liking to acknowledge the existence of a pimply-faced, skinny girl who was just one of the little people. Even as 14-year-old me thought, "Oh, ew! A cute little baby is being killed!", there was some part of my mind that said, "Hmmm..."

FF to the present. The pastor where I attend church rails weekly against abortion and gay marriage. One of my very own sisters has informed me that both are forbidden in the Bible and I need to get on board, and that I'm wrong for accepting laws legalizing abortion. I love all my sibs, therefore it's now a subject I *strictly* will not discuss with any of them. And I'm breaking my personal rule of not making it all about me. But hey, all politics is local, no? Back to lurkmode. :shhh:

[twinmama]

It's entirely possible her daughter was a rape victim. However, that is the straw-man argument of the rape exception. If it's okay for a rape victim to have an abortion, why is not okay for everyone else. In fact, it was the issue of the rape exception that made me see the light. It's NO ONE'S BUSINESS what a woman and her doctor feel are best for her life and her body, no matter how she got to the point that she has to make any decision.

I do not understand rape exception anti-choicers. If you're anti, then you believe abortion is murder right? So it's ok to "murder" a "baby" if it's the product of rape?? WTF. (edited to add that in case it wasn't clear, I'm very very pro-choice)

I've read those stories before and they always make me want to scream my head off at the people, but all that would come out would be incoherent rage.

[slickcat79]

It's entirely possible her daughter was a rape victim. However, that is the straw-man argument of the rape exception. If it's okay for a rape victim to have an abortion, why is not okay for everyone else. In fact, it was the issue of the rape exception that made me see the light. It's NO ONE'S BUSINESS what a woman and her doctor feel are best for her life and her body, no matter how she got to the point that she has to make any decision.

It seems like most of the hard-core "prolifers" no longer care about a rape exception or any other condition. I guess they realized that if they believe abortion is murder, the circumstances behind the conception shouldn't matter. It just makes them sound all the more horrible and uncaring, but the important part is SAVE ALL TEH BAYBEEZ. Nothing else matters.

[Handmaiden of Dog]

It was the heartbreaking thing about "I'm so sweet and gentle, I have blue eyes and blonde hair and I look forward to playing and --- Mommy? Mommy? why are you killing me????"

I have always suspected that many of these Patriarchs who claim they would force their 14 or 15 year old daughters to give birth even if they were raped would sing another tune if the father was black. Particularly here in the South where they preach about brotherly love but want the races kept apart because....something, something...abomination.

[znthahmed378]

It's entirely possible her daughter was a rape victim. However, that is the straw-man argument of the rape exception. If it's okay for a rape victim to have an abortion, why is not okay for everyone else. In fact, it was the issue of the rape exception that made me see the light. It's NO ONE'S BUSINESS what a woman and her doctor feel are best for her life and her body, no matter how she got to the point that she has to make any decision.

Even if that was the case, she and her mother were back picketing the next day. This just makes me rage. So its okay for her daughter to get an abortion and her daughter deserves compassion because of their circumstances, but not those other women who showed up at the clinic to get one even though their circumstances were probably just as dire? Why? Because they're sluts who use abortion as birth control? Like I said, all this just makes me :angry-screaming:

I have a lot of respect for the doctors, nurses, and counselors who deal with antis. I read a little further down on that website that I linked to and there was a passage about a doctor who does abortions and he said that he doesn't perform abortions on antis because "women give either me or my staff an uneasy feeling about their ambivalence or their anxiety about the abortion process". He says he's never been sued before for any abortion that he's performed, so I get that this is mostly to cover liability. Far be it from me to say they shouldn't treat them, but a little further on there's this:

A clinic counselor from Georgia stated:

"...An anti-abortion woman is likely to be uncooperative and will probably not follow post-op instructions or instructions on how to deal with complications. There is actually a case where an anti-abortion patient failed to go as directed to Emergency for an unrelated complication. She ended up dying, and her family sued the physician and badgered him publicly. Additionally, if you have a complication that day, it will be the anti-abortionist. I'm not talking about the patient who says, 'I was against abortion until it happened to me', or 'I'm really against abortion, but I have to do this'. I'm talking about the picketer, the activist, the totally anti-creature who will come back to haunt us."

There's an anti-abortion organization called Life Dynamics Inc. which specializes in malpractices suits against abortions providers. After a quick google search, it seems they're still around and they're based in Denton, Texas. According to the article, Life Dynamics "advertise for and exploit women who regret their abortion decision or who had complications, and try and persuade them to file suit against the doctor or clinic."

The message that abortion is murder has had a profound influence on them, and it may leave them with a legacy of guilt and shame after their abortion, too often borne alone and in silence. When these women find themselves unable to cope with their abortions, they may look for somebody else to blame, and doctors become a convenient scapegoat.

[lemonhead]

(Bolding mine)

So much for personal responsibility. They scream about how women must responsibility for their "poor life decisions" in becoming pregnant, but they don't want to take responsibility for their decision to have an abortion. So they blame the doctor who helped them, at their request.

[treemom]

You know what I obsessed about a lot on the day of my termination? That someone would bomb the clinic and everyone would find out I had an abortion. Not because I was ashamed or anything, but because I live in Memphis and knew what it would be like if people knew. I was not put about it in those days, and since I was pretty far along and wanted pregnancy I just told people I lost the baby without anymore details.

[gardenvarietycitizen]

It's entirely possible her daughter was a rape victim. However, that is the straw-man argument of the rape exception. If it's okay for a rape victim to have an abortion, why is not okay for everyone else. In fact, it was the issue of the rape exception that made me see the light. It's NO ONE'S BUSINESS what a woman and her doctor feel are best for her life and her body, no matter how she got to the point that she has to make any decision.

Exactly. The fact that they have the rape exemption makes it clear that in fact it is NOT "all about the baby." There's a line there, they're willing to "kill" some "babies" for reasons unrelated to physical health.

At which point, okay, let's talk about that line and why they draw it where they do. Usually that suggestion is not met favorably though...

[cindyluvs24]

Seen it, heard it before. When its their daughter......