You're Right Patrice Lewis; Nobody in the Good Old Days...

[GolightlyGrrl]

...got help from the government cause you know, boot straps or some shit.

wnd.com/2013/08/the-tyranny-of-low-expectations/

Yep, our elders never got help from the GI Bill, Medicare, Social Security, public libraries, college grants, small business grants, etc. They did it all on their own.

[Pam]

...got help from the government cause you know, boot straps or some shit.

wnd.com/2013/08/the-tyranny-of-low-expectations/

Yep, our elders never got help from the GI Bill, Medicare, Social Security, public libraries, college grants, small business grants, etc. They did it all on their own.

The stupid...........it burns!!

The government decided health care is a “right†and must be nationalized. National health care monitors, tracks and controls people to a frightening degree. It removes peoples’ vigilance for their own health and hampers and discourages countless doctors for whom the medical field is becoming a bureaucratic nightmare.

Yep, I can definitely see how unaffordable-for-many, privileged health care increases people's vigilance for their own health, and how a variety of HMOs, PPOs, uninsureds, etc., would be a bureaucratic dream for the medical field.

[rward]

Is he fucking stupid? "I have health care- I should eat Big Macs five times a day, drink vodka instead of water and smoke crack, wheeeee!"

The truth is that people without insurance ignore early symptoms because they can't afford care. So instead of getting care at a point where a prescription or physical therapy would work, they end up getting far more expensive emergency care later.

And US health care is a beurocratic nightmare because there are so many health insurance companies to deal with. Single payer would have fixed that right up.

[DomWackTroll]

"Boy, the way Glenn Miller played..."

[GolightlyGrrl]

Is he fucking stupid? "I have health care- I should eat Big Macs five times a day, drink vodka instead of water and smoke crack, wheeeee!"

The truth is that people without insurance ignore early symptoms because they can't afford care. So instead of getting care at a point where a prescription or physical therapy would work, they end up getting far more expensive emergency care later.

And US health care is a beurocratic nightmare because there are so many health insurance companies to deal with. Single payer would have fixed that right up.

Patrice is actually a woman. Actually she's a self-satisfied bitch.

You are so right about US healthcare being a bureaucratic nightmare. I've worked in both the healthcare field and insurance on the administrative side and it is a true clusterfuck. I also used to work for a consulting company that helped hospitals increase their revenue streams. Sadly, healthcare is seen as a business, not a service, and a lot of our hard-earned dollars are going to fill hospital CEO's pockets, not into the pockets of doctors and nurses (though plenty of them are paid very well).

Journalist Steven Brill wrote about this issue in his eye-opening Time magazine article "Bitter Pill" a few months ago. It's pretty long, but a very worthy read.

http://www.uta.edu/faculty/story/2311/M ... dGreed.pdf

On-topic: Patrice is writing out of her ass.

[Pam]

The truth is that people without insurance ignore early symptoms because they can't afford care. So instead of getting care at a point where a prescription or physical therapy would work, they end up getting far more expensive emergency care later.

And US health care is a beurocratic nightmare because there are so many health insurance companies to deal with. Single payer would have fixed that right up.

Exactly!! I can't even fathom how she comes to the conclusions that she does about national (or universal, or whatever one wants to call it) health care.

[MysteryHaggis]

The government decided health care is a “right†and must be nationalized. National health care monitors, tracks and controls people to a frightening degree. It removes peoples’ vigilance for their own health and hampers and discourages countless doctors for whom the medical field is becoming a bureaucratic nightmare.

Well yes! Too fucking right! Healthcare IS a right! OK the NHS isn't perfect, but countries without ebil socialised medicine baffle me. Medical treatment is not- or at least should not be- a privilege based on one's ability to pay. Healthcare is a human right.

Why is that so awful for conservatives?

Again: healthcare is a human right.

[GolightlyGrrl]

Well, this is interesting:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-10 ... genumber=1

I'll be the first to admit government is not perfect; there is red tape, disorganization, etc. But we deal with this BS in the private sector, too. And this may piss Patrice off, but the the last time I was at the DMV and the time I spent at the Social Security office getting a new SS card beat any day shopping at Wal-Mart. And the guy who helped me at the Social Security office looked a bit like the actor Taye Diggs. Dayum.

You don't see a whole lot of Taye Diggs types at Wal-Mart.

[Emkay]

I don't understand people who claim to be pro-life and then want to say health care isn't a basic human right. I guess your quality of life doesn't matter, just that your mother carried you to term.

Side note- any other HIMYM fans think 'DAMN IT, PATRICE!' When they saw the thread title? I'm not familiar with this woman, so that was my first thought.

[Emkay]

Sorry to threadjack, but I posted before I saw Golightlygirl's post. Taye Diggs, mmmmm. Have you ever heard him sing? His wife is a lucky (beautiful, and ridiculously talented) woman!

[GolightlyGrrl]

Sorry to threadjack, but I posted before I saw Golightlygirl's post. Taye Diggs, mmmmm. Have you ever heard him sing? His wife is a lucky (beautiful, and ridiculously talented) woman!

Yes I have. And Idina is a lucky duck. And Taye is a lucky man.

On-topic: "Wah! Wah! I don't like to pay taxes. Let the private sector handle everything."

rural-revolution.com/2012/10/why-i-can-complain-about-taxes.html

[Peas n carrots]

Wow, lets go back to the times of a life expectancy of 55, high infant/child mortality and no cures for jack shit. Yep, life was just peachy keen then and all those folks were so happy they could pull themselves up by their bootstraps and fall over dead.

Anyways, bitch don't know she is already paying for a lot of ER visits, medicare/Medicaid receipients etc.

[bananacat]

Anyone who complains that people feel entitled to not die is a horrible monster worthy only of contempt. She wants people to die.

[tanksmom]

:roll: You know what? My area is in a PR war at the moment with the largest provider of health insurance in the country and the company who owns pretty much every hospital in my area (who also provides health insurance) Every day I'm treated to a pissing match of commercials on TV why one company is being stupid and the other company cares. I'm done! A national health insurance plan/treatment would avoid all of this!

I for one have no issue paying for my health insurance and would love it is the corporate machines didn't turn it into a pissing match of who is better. When I get sick I want to be able to go to the closest hospital without it bankrupting me. Call me selfish :roll:

ETA: Taye Diggs....drool

[PennySycamore]

We have Blue Cross/Blue Shield. I recently went to the urgent care clinic run by the hospital system. We ended up being charged almost $200 for the visit of which our wonderful insurance paid $65. We got stuck with having to pay more than $120 for a doctor visit where she did almost nothing.

My grandparents and grandparents both benefitted from Social Security and Medicare and several uncles went to college after WWII was over on the GI bill. In their elder years, they benefitted from Social Security and Medicare, too.

[ADoyle90815]

I don't understand people who claim to be pro-life and then want to say health care isn't a basic human right. I guess your quality of life doesn't matter, just that your mother carried you to term.

Side note- any other HIMYM fans think 'DAMN IT, PATRICE!' When they saw the thread title? I'm not familiar with this woman, so that was my first thought.

This. As George Carlin once said, "once you're born, you're fucked." These people only care that your mother carried you to term, nothing more. I think that if you believe in the right to life, that should mean universal healthcare where people don't have to worry about deciding between medical care and putting food on the table, or ending up with medical bills that lead to bankruptcy.

[Black Aliss]

"Boy, the way Glenn Miller played..."

"Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again."

[rward]

:roll: You know what? My area is in a PR war at the moment with the largest provider of health insurance in the country and the company who owns pretty much every hospital in my area (who also provides health insurance) Every day I'm treated to a pissing match of commercials on TV why one company is being stupid and the other company cares. I'm done! A national health insurance plan/treatment would avoid all of this!

And you're paying for that bullshit! Your premiums pay for those commercials, but pity the poor insurance companies, having to pay for a those sick people.

[dairyfreelife]

I like how she links to Hillsdale College in Michigan. It costs $31K/year. Harvard costs that much without room and board. She's a clueless idiot, but we all know that.

[MrsYoungie]

I consider our (Canadian) national health program a sleep aid. I sleep better knowing that ALL our citizens can have their health needs taken care of.

I don't understand these "Christians" who think the working poor should just roll over and die if they can't afford a doctor. It's cruel and inhumane.

[Pam]

I don't understand these "Christians" who think the working poor should just roll over and die if they can't afford a doctor. It's cruel and inhumane.

I think it might be that those particular "Christians" have a strong belief that the just-world fallacy is actually reality. The working poor should just roll over and die if they can't afford a doctor, because if it weren't for their moral failings, God or Jesus would ensure that they could afford a doctor. It makes them feel better about themselves, because since they can afford a doctor, God or Jesus is rewarding them for their righteousness.

[Cartmann99]

I think it might be that those particular "Christians" have a strong belief that the just-world fallacy is actually reality. The working poor should just roll over and die if they can't afford a doctor, because if it weren't for their moral failings, God or Jesus would ensure that they could afford a doctor. It makes them feel better about themselves, because since they can afford a doctor, God or Jesus is rewarding them for their righteousness.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but it's hubris to think that you are too [fill in the blank] to ever experience the harsher realities of life.

[JMarie]

I like how she links to Hillsdale College in Michigan. It costs $31K/year. Harvard costs that much without room and board. She's a clueless idiot, but we all know that.

She complains about how much college costs and how much of a waste it is (but of course both she and her husband have masters degrees). All of her followers agree with her. Then she writes about how her teenage daughter wants to attend nanny school. $10K for a four month program. And she thinks real college costs too much?

[Anxious Girl]

Every time I hear somebody whine about paying taxes, I always say, "You can move to North Korea. They don't pay taxes there."

[rward]

Every time I hear somebody whine about paying taxes, I always say, "You can move to North Korea. They don't pay taxes there."

I can't take libertarians seriously. If they were true to their supposed ideals, they'd move to Somalia and enjoy the tax free paradise.