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Homosexuality has become a norm in today’s culture and society. For a lot of people, it’s been a recent movement, but actually, it’s been around since Bible times. And it was clear in the Old Testament, and very clear in the New Testament, that practicing homosexuality is wrong. It’s a sin. And no, I’m not the one who’s saying that. God did.

A few OT verses that talk about homosexuality are in Leviticus (18:22, 20:13), but let’s look at the NT portions of Scripture.

In 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, it says, ‘Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals...will inherit the kingdom of God.’

And in 1 Timothy 1, it talks about homosexuality (among other practices) being ungodly, sinful, unholy and profane. So basically, it’s wrong. And I certainly believe it is. It’s not natural, not right and it kills the Biblical view of marriage. And if you’re a Christian, it’s certainly not okay.

Marriage was designed for one man and one woman (Genesis 2:24). When God first created Eve, He brought her to Adam - not to another woman. ‘Gay marriage’ isn’t even a real marriage. Marriage is between one man, one woman - no exceptions. God created a man and a woman’s body differently for one another. I don’t care if two people of the same sex ‘fell in love’. Marriage is not meant for two people of same sex.

‘For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.’

- Romans 1:26-27

But what if a person is born gay, Raquel?

Uh, excuse me? God is the Creator, right? Would He create something He hates? Homosexuality is an abomination in His eyes. Saying He would make someone male with a female ‘instinct’ who’s attracted to the same sex (or vice versa) is going against His whole Being and Who He is.

What if a Christian is gay?

I don’t believe, for one minute that a professing Christian can be ‘gay’ and willingly practice it. I’ve had some people accuse me saying, ‘Well if you’re saying a gay person can’t be a Christian, then how would you defend you living in the sexual sin that you talked about in your testimony?’ Yes, I was living in sin. But so do many other Christians. I know Christian men who struggle with porn, or know of women who are married but are having affairs. That doesn’t automatically make them a non-believer. Christians aren’t perfect. We sin. But it’s when a person is willfully indulging in a sin (with no intention of getting out of it), that the validity of their Christian profession can - and should be! - considered. Homosexuality is a sin. But it’s not greater than any other sin. We are all sinners in need of God’s grace, including me. No one is a better Christian or a bigger sinner. And there is no sin that God can’t forgive.

‘But immorality and any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.’

- Ephesians 5:3-5

Do you hate gay people?

If you are ‘gay’, I won’t hate you. I’ll talk to you. I’ll love you like I’m called (as a Christian) to love people. I have a couple acquaintances who are ‘gay’. We get along great! (And honestly, all the homosexuals that I’ve ever met are actually super nice.)

I’m not writing this to ‘judge’ you or make you feel like you’re being ‘preached at’. But if you claim to be a Christian, I will tell you that you are in sin. Don’t feel that you need to continue living this way. God won’t turn you away if you come to Him, asking for forgiveness.

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‘For you have been bought with a price. Therefore, glory God in your body.’

- 1 Corinthians 6:20

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"Marriage was defined by God a long time ago. Marriage is almost as old as dirt, and it was defined in the garden between Adam and Eve - one man, one woman for life till death do you part. So I would never attempt to try to redefine marriage. And I don't think anyone else should either. So do I support the idea of gay marriage? No, I don't."

- Kirk Cameron

:music-tool: Anyone who quotes Kirk Cameron as evidence doesn't have reason on their side.

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This reads to me like she both wants to toe the party line and condemn homosexuality but leave the door open for a totally awesome gay bff.

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What fabulous person would want anything to do with Raquel? She just barely covers her snobbishness and arrogance.

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Oh, so how come that Muslims, Jews, Atheists etc are able to get married, and how come there have been marriage ceremonies in some form even before people have heard of Christianity.

Christians do not own the term marriage.

Stupid kid.

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God doesn't create anything he hates? So I guess Raquel just told us that God loves pornography, pedophilia, rape, torture, heroin, cancer, war, starvation, plague and kicking puppies. After all, God created everything, so if He doesn't create anything He hates, he loves the million and one ways there are to suffer.

She wants me to worship this monster? :?

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Oh, so how come that Muslims, Jews, Atheists etc are able to get married, and how come there have been marriage ceremonies in some form even before people have heard of Christianity.

Christians do not own the term marriage.

Stupid kid.

I guess that also means Kirk and his buddies should stop claiming any legal benefits of marriage. After all, god didn't say anything about shared insurance benefits or rights of inheritance in the garden of Eden, and the government shouldn't be allowed to "redefine" marriage :roll:

And really Raquel, there's no need for scare quotes around the word gay.

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Does that mean that Rachel and Jacob in the Bible weren't really married? He was already married to Leah, so they were living in sin. They must have gone to hell? Marriage is between one man and one woman, no exceptions. Right? Anything else is just sinning and Rachel and Jacob willfully indulged in a sinful "marriage" with no intentions of getting out. They are just like gay people!!!!! And gay people can't go to heaven!!!!!

I wonder if she would reply to that or just ignore it. Or does she have some sort of "one man, one woman, no exceptions" loophole for non-gay people.

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Ah, Raquel, Corinthians & Timothy weren't written by God; they were written by Paul. And Paul really didn't think that anyone should get married.

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Good point-there were so many Biblical marriages which were not of one man and one woman. I dont see Raquel or any other fundies who want marriage to be as God intended advocating that we allow polygamy. I think this whole Biblical marriage excuse is just because they are grossed out by the idea of gay people..

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She is really so dumb that she doesn't realize that saying one man, one woman, no exceptions means that David, a man after God's own heart, is now in hell. He had a shit ton of wives and concubines and he lived that way with no intentions of changing it. That is not even counting in his relationship with Jonathan, the guy he said this about:

"thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women."

2 Samuel 1:26

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so, God doesn't create anything He hates. But according to Raquel, He will create people and then send them to hell. If that isn't hate, then I don't know what is. Or maybe people just don't go to hell - because God doesn't actually hate people. Or maybe being gay is worse than hell - since God hates the gay :roll: but He doesn't hate people whom He will send to hell.... Fuck, my head is spinning with this ridiculous reasoning.

Raquel, honey, I have no love for your god. I can suspend logic and reasoning for the belief in a God who is actually good, who loves everyone and who will eventually send everyone to heaven. but I cannot love or respect or believe in a god who is a monster. One who creates people to burn in a pit of fire and who considers gay people an abomination - how anyone could have peace following a god like that just blows my mind!

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In Romans 1:26-27, Paul is talking about people who participated in crazy cult-related sexual exploits, not two men who identified as gay in a committed relationship having sex. Taken in context, Paul is telling people NOT TO JUDGE OTHERS, because they themselves do bad things. Paul then goes on to say that 'all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' and that people are justified by faith not by righteous behaviour. The other verses about purity do not mention homosexuality. Read your Bible, Raquel.

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In Romans 1:26-27, Paul is talking about people who participated in crazy cult-related sexual exploits, not two men who identified as gay in a committed relationship having sex. Taken in context, Paul is telling people NOT TO JUDGE OTHERS, because they themselves do bad things. Paul then goes on to say that 'all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' and that people are justified by faith not by righteous behaviour. The other verses about purity do not mention homosexuality. Read your Bible, Raquel.

Can you say this to her on her blog or AMA? I know it probably won't change her mind, but the more she sees, hopefully the more she starts to think.

I'm hoping God's Narcissist won't find her dream husband until her gay friends do. Maybe she'll be invited to be Maid of Honor and she can cross that off her bucket list.

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She only allows comments on her blog when they come from public profiles that haven't just been created. So if anyone has a profile like that that and they don't mind commenting, would you please ask about all the Biblical figures who lived in willful sin because of their many wives? I'm going to go make up a blogger profile now so that next time she writes something this stupid I can comment.

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She'll probably just say something about how all of those figures are in the Old Testaments. Fundies love saying that shit.

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Misrepresenting the New Testament is one thing (and don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that the epistles are totally progressive or that Paul had it all right) - but using the Old Testament to argue against homosexuality is just laughable. You can't do it without also justifying polygamy and a whole host of other bizarre things that even fundies would never accept. There's also all that dancing and drinking...

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She'll probably just say something about how all of those figures are in the Old Testaments. Fundies love saying that shit.

She can't use that argument if she is also going to use OT verses to say "one man, one woman, no exceptions." Which is what she did.

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I don’t believe, for one minute that a professing Christian can be ‘gay’ and willingly practice it. I’ve had some people accuse me saying, ‘Well if you’re saying a gay person can’t be a Christian, then how would you defend you living in the sexual sin that you talked about in your testimony?’ Yes, I was living in sin. But so do many other Christians. I know Christian men who struggle with porn, or know of women who are married but are having affairs. That doesn’t automatically make them a non-believer. Christians aren’t perfect. We sin. But it’s when a person is willfully indulging in a sin (with no intention of getting out of it), that the validity of their Christian profession can - and should be! - considered. Homosexuality is a sin. But it’s not greater than any other sin. We are all sinners in need of God’s grace, including me. No one is a better Christian or a bigger sinner. And there is no sin that God can’t forgive.

The willful ignorance in this one section is magnificent. There is some sort of difference between "living in sin" (ie, a straight person who is a porn addict or a straight person having an affair) and "indulging in sin" (the ghayz)?? What the ever loving Fuck, Raquel? And then the whole homosexuality is not a bigger sin stuff? Uh, you just said that STRAIGHT adulterers and porn addicts (and those in other sexual sins -- tell me, does that include pedophiles that are attracted to the opposite sex :fubar: ?) are Christians while homosexuals cannot be Christians. You're entire argument her is a fucking train wreck of a contradiction. :headdesk:

And, oh, what the previous posters said about rampant polygamy in the bible, often among the most favored of God's servants? That too, you idiot.

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Gosh, how can a practicing Christian be gay? Let's see. Working for the poor, the sick, the disenfranchised---sounds a lot more Christlike than sitting at home taking selfies!

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Can you say this to her on her blog or AMA? I know it probably won't change her mind, but the more she sees, hopefully the more she starts to think.

I'm hoping God's Narcissist won't find her dream husband until her gay friends do. Maybe she'll be invited to be Maid of Honor and she can cross that off her bucket list.

I asked anonymously on her ask. Dunno if she'll reply, she never did answer when I cited articles on the VARIOUS demonstrations of homosexuality in the animal kingdom and asked why god condemns human homosexuality yet animals are just ok. :cray-cray:

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She has to really have her head stuck in the sand if she is going to deny that their are intersex people who are born that way. That is fairly well documented.

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Does that mean that Rachel and Jacob in the Bible weren't really married? He was already married to Leah, so they were living in sin. They must have gone to hell? Marriage is between one man and one woman, no exceptions. Right? Anything else is just sinning and Rachel and Jacob willfully indulged in a sinful "marriage" with no intentions of getting out. They are just like gay people!!!!! And gay people can't go to heaven!!!!!

I wonder if she would reply to that or just ignore it. Or does she have some sort of "one man, one woman, no exceptions" loophole for non-gay people.

And actually Jacob was married to four women: Leah, Rachel, Bilhah, and Zilpah, two of whom were the former two wives' slaves.

And Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines and in case she is totally unaware, a concubine is not married to the man, but used simply for sex.

Lamech has two wives.

Men are to marry the women they rape: If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Deut 22:28-29

Won't even go into the incest that occurs often either.

Also, marriage. It's a noun. According to dictionary.com, marriage is a legally, religiously, or socially sanctioned union of persons who commit to one another, forming a familial and economic bond.

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She willfully indulges in the sin of vanity all the time when she takes pictures of herself. She indulges when she lists various things on her bucket list that she wishes to buy. When she makes an idol of marriage.

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Gay marriage is already legalized in 13 states in the US, it's only time before it's legal to marry the person you love, regardless of gender. Surely you don't want to be on the wrong side of history? I don't care about being on history's wrong side. I don't want to be on the side that's against God.
how nice of her
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