Lamb and Lynx Gaede

[OnceModestTwiceShy]

Important note:

It's hard to hate anyone while smoking pot.

:D :clap:

[FloraDoraDolly]

Because I'm a little bit crazy, I went to S tormfront to see what they were saying about this, and they are deleting all threads about the story. It was something about the media twisting their words. The mother is an active member of the site, so it is interesting.

You're not the only crazy one. I went over there too for that very same reason. And yes, the mods at Stormfront are deleting all the threads about the twins. I did find a 20-plus page discussion (which includes comments from April Gaede) at VNN Forum, a white nationalist website overrun with hardcore types who have been kicked off Stormfront. If anyone wants to read the thread, do an Internet search for VNN Forum and "April's gonna hate this." But be forewarned-- virtually every post on this forum is anti-Semitic, racist, misogynist, homophobic, xenophobic, or all of the above.

[Kaylee]

Because I'm a little bit crazy, I went to S tormfront to see what they were saying about this, and they are deleting all threads about the story. It was something about the media twisting their words. The mother is an active member of the site, so it is interesting.

April has a lot of the mods there wrapped around her fucking fingers, partially because she knows who to kiss ass to and back in an argument and who to privately flirt with and lean on for "support" with her sob stories.

This goes as far as having at least one guy who was pretty high up in the movement banned from Stormfront because they had a nasty breakup and she didn't want him telling people the scoop on her.

She now claims she was engaged to this guy, but he says they weren't. If they were, she was carrying on online relationships (And begging money from) other men at the same time. They broke up because he was flying out to see her, sending her money for plane tickets, etc while implying she was interested in other men and asking them for the same monetary favors. My husband was one of these men, and he broke it off with her to start dating me - I was surprised to found out he was "dating" the same woman who was also dating an older friend of mine at the same time (the older friend was the one she got banned from SF). I love how she now claims she was engaged to the older guy while at the same time she was talking on the phone to my hubby, asking him for money so she could fly out and visit, and putting her girls on the phone with him to ask if he was gonna be their new daddy. I've sense found out she did this with at least 4 other men.

Anyway, she was totally just doing all this for the attention. She has always been an attention whore, to the point of riding a horse through the streets of Bakersfield naked as part of a radio contest. She tried to get the girls and her into showbiz first by getting them a part in a horror movie, and turned to music when that didn't work. Early on, people were questioning some of the short skirts and poses, but she blew them off. Even after finding out that a guy who was busted for child porn was photoshopping her daughter's faces onto other pictures, she still defended the guy and says she didn't see anything wrong with anything she'd done.

It's more than just VNN. A lot of people in the movement saw what she was and what she was doing to her children years ago, but she's pulled enough strings in enough groups to stay cozy with the people who can keep her in the limelight and funnel "donations" her way. Many women in the movement hate her, because she is extremely catty and loves to talk about how women should be banned from things, but makes exceptions for herself. (There's a private forum that's mostly women, for people who've caught crap in the WN movement for being too "feminist" or not towing the line to certain men's bullshit, and she comes up every so often on there). She also has a bad habit of flirting with or making sexual comments towards other people's significant others.

OK, personal rant over. If it's not apparent now, I spent a large portion of my life in the WN movement and still have a few friends till involved with it and a lot who've left it for various reasons (some ideological, others just got tired of the bullshit or realized it wasn't really compatible with a normal life). Most of the people who try to push their kids into hardcore racist ideology fail. For one, most kids rebel. For another, the racist movement is one of the best arguments against itself - so many of the people in it are examples of what they rail against and blame on other races (violent, lazy, on drugs, not able to keep a job, etc). Kids are smart, and will eventually realize that things aren't as simple as they were taught to believe, and that usually leads them away from the movement and the ideology. It can take a long time for people to change, but they can. The ones who really do seem to change are more the people who move away from it slowly, one realization at the time, than the ones who are racist one month and hardcore anti-racist the next - many of the later just swing from one type of extremism into another and still end up screwed by it in the end & one of the biggest reasons more people probably don't leave is this ideal that, to no longer be a racist, you have to immediately turn antifa and denounce or inform on all your former friends and/or family.

[Maggie Mae]

You're not the only crazy one. I went over there too for that very same reason. And yes, the mods at Stormfront are deleting all the threads about the twins. I did find a 20-plus page discussion (which includes comments from April Gaede) at VNN Forum, a white nationalist website overrun with hardcore types who have been kicked off Stormfront. If anyone wants to read the thread, do an Internet search for VNN Forum and "April's gonna hate this." But be forewarned-- virtually every post on this forum is anti-Semitic, racist, misogynist, homophobic, xenophobic, or all of the above.

I really wish I had listened to the warning. I'm wishing I hadn't done that internet search and read 5 pages of people hating.

[FloraDoraDolly]

I really wish I had listened to the warning. I'm wishing I hadn't done that internet search and read 5 pages of people hating.

Maybe my warning wasn't strong enough. If so, I apologize. I did a sociology class project on white nationalism a few years ago and my brain usually switches into academic mode when I read their writings. I still get upset-- right now, I know better than to click on any white nationalist thread pertaining to the recent massacre in Norway-- but much of the shock has worn off. The white nationalists tend to say the same things over and over and over again, not unlike fundies who quote the same Bible verses to justify their stance on abortion or homosexuality or Quiverfull. But it can be overwhelming for a newbie who isn't used to that kind of language.

[Maggie Mae]

Maybe my warning wasn't strong enough. If so, I apologize. I did a sociology class project on white nationalism a few years ago and my brain usually switches into academic mode when I read their writings. I still get upset-- right now, I know better than to click on any white nationalist thread pertaining to the recent massacre in Norway-- but much of the shock has worn off. The white nationalists tend to say the same things over and over and over again, not unlike fundies who quote the same Bible verses to justify their stance on abortion or homosexuality or Quiverfull. But it can be overwhelming for a newbie who isn't used to that kind of language.

I'm sure your warning was fine. I've always read warnings and thought, well, I'm strong, smart, and above all, curious. I was surprised. I've been living under the delusion that neo-nazism is limited to small, creepy towns in very rural places, and that it's looked down upon by everyone. But I think the internet has caused some of these ideas that could have died out quickly a longer death, as people find like minded people to share their hate with. It's crazy to me to realize that there are that many people who still believe in the supremacy of race. Even the elderly (tm Sarah Maxwell) that I've known to occasionally say semi-racist things, were never really hateful. It's crazy and scary.

[Guest Anonymous]

You're not the only crazy one. I went over there too for that very same reason. And yes, the mods at Stormfront are deleting all the threads about the twins. I did find a 20-plus page discussion (which includes comments from April Gaede) at VNN Forum, a white nationalist website overrun with hardcore types who have been kicked off Stormfront. If anyone wants to read the thread, do an Internet search for VNN Forum and "April's gonna hate this." But be forewarned-- virtually every post on this forum is anti-Semitic, racist, misogynist, homophobic, xenophobic, or all of the above.

Flora, if you'd be comfortable relaying it, I'd like to know what Mommy Dearest has to say (in a nutshell) about Lamb and Lynx leaving the movement. I think I'm too chicken to visit the site.

[JesusFightClub]

Two points:

Free Jingerists, please don't drive up Stormfront's post count or page views. Just don't. The fash watch people who do that, for a start.

Raine, I was amazed to hear you were fash. You are a good person, I can tell by the posts you make. I am glad you left and hope you stepped away from it fully now. Please don't go back! PM me if you would like to talk privately about how you came to be there and stuff. I promise you it won't be on any front page the next day. Or put on this thread if you are comfortable.

And I know you were fash because you said certain things. But every fascist who changes their mind like Lamb and Lynx, even if they didn't yet get all the way, is doing a tough thing and if you are doing that, fucking well done to you.

You don't have to dump all your mates even if they still are fash as well...Oh I'll ramble on about this all day. But, this is good and I am so happy you stepped away from this horrible creed. Keep on going! And like I said, PM me if stuck.

[FloraDoraDolly]

Flora, if you'd be comfortable relaying it, I'd like to know what Mommy Dearest has to say (in a nutshell) about Lamb and Lynx leaving the movement. I think I'm too chicken to visit the site.

There are maybe 4 or 5 different posts from April buried in that one thread, all of them responses to comments/questions from people in the movement. Basically, April's response goes a little something like this:

1. Reporters have been pestering Lynx and Lamb for interviews ever since they turned 18. They agreed to do just the one interview to get the media off their backs, plus they got paid for it.

2. The media omitted some of the twins' comments and took others out of context.

3. April says she has a good relationship with her daughters, but she also referred to them as spoiled brats. She and some of the other posters discussed how living in an all-white town in Montana and going to an all-white high school has given Lynx and Lamb a false picture of the wonders of diversity. Somebody made a crack about how they need to spend a couple of weeks in Detroit. (Since I am from the Detroit area, I found this comment somewhat amusing.)

4. April expects the twins will return to the white nationalist movement when they're older and have children of their own. Right now, they're at a stage in life where they care mostly about fitting in and getting along with people. April herself was not so concerned with racial issues when she was their age. This is something that came about as she grew older and worried about the kind of world her children would inherit. So she thinks Lynx and Lamb will follow a similar pattern.

5. Some of the VNN posters jumped on April and criticized her for pushing the twins into the media spotlight when they were just little girls. (Those particular comments were probably the most mainstream of the bunch.) But April doesn't really regret it, because Prussian Blue and the surrounding media circus exposed many more people to white nationalism. She said something to the effect of how she did this for her white great-grandchildren.

6. When some posters criticized the twins for smoking pot, April did defend them. She said Lynx in particular was very sick and medical marijuana really helped her.

[tehgoobster]

I hope all of April's children marry someone who isn't white.

[TheJewAmongUs]

Here is the article ABC pulled those quotes from, which I find more interesting and informative than the report.

[debrand]

I must have posted on the wrong thread. Sorry. :oops: :?

[LilMissMetaphor]

These girls still sound like assholes to me.

I bumped this because I thought it was a new article, but it looks like the same one as posted last year earlier in the thread, just re-worded somewhat and with a few different quotes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ppies.html

Incidentally, if Raine is still here and reading this I wonder if she has anything more to say about being involved with the WN movement.

[Olivia]

I know that my beliefs have changed since I was 19, I was still very much working through my childhood indoctrination crap at that point, so I bet they are too. I hope they continue to think critically about their upbringing and ultimately reject all of it.

That's how I feel about it too. I think if people don't grow up around any off thought processes themselves, they tend to think everyone should just intrinsically know better. But, I think many or perhaps most of us have to go through a process of thinking through and rejecting the ideas we grew up with, whether that's fundamentalism or racism or whatever.

[xDreamerx]

I watched the Neo Nazi doc maybe a month or so ago on YouTube because I enjoy all things Louis. Anyway, I'm glad to see they've grown up now and are starting to think a little for themselves and move away from it. I always felt rather sorry for them. Being made into racists wasn't their fault and it will probably take them decades to think in a way that's similar to that of a normal person who wasn't brainwashed for years.

Apparently Pot and Public Schools are a fucking wonderful combo. Gives all new possibilities to PTA bake sale.

[pixydust]

That's how I feel about it too. I think if people don't grow up around any off thought processes themselves, they tend to think everyone should just intrinsically know better. But, I think many or perhaps most of us have to go through a process of thinking through and rejecting the ideas we grew up with, whether that's fundamentalism or racism or whatever.

Exactly, when I was 19 I was still working through my beliefs about fundie-dom and Christianity on a whole (to be honest, I simply believed that I was going to go to hell). They may come to complete 180 or they may not, but they have a lot of growing to do. At least they've started.

Oh, and April? Everyone said I would go back to church and my old beliefs when I had kids...didn't happen! Your daughters are their own people.

[mirele]

Apparently Pot and Public Schools are a fucking wonderful combo. Gives all new possibilities to PTA bake sale.

After seeing a friend who is notorious for introducing pot to her local high school back in the early 1970s, I just wanted to highlight this.

[Minerva]

When that came out a year ago, I was pissed that they could be so douchy about the Holocaust, but after much reading here I realize what a process shedding that kind of indoctrination is.

April is wrong. Her daughters believed what they believed because they were sheltered and shown a heavily altered version of reality. God only knows where they'll ultimately end up on the political spectrum, but they can't be de-exposed to the real world, which is what it would take for them to go back to being white supremacists.

[Alecto]

I also wonder if their reactions to the holocaust question are also partially because they get asked about it all the time. They are over the question, so to speak and wish everyone else would be, too.

[pixydust]

I also wonder if their reactions to the holocaust question are also partially because they get asked about it all the time. They are over the question, so to speak and wish everyone else would be, too.

I wondered about that. With the quote you can't really tell what "it" is.

[Daenerys]

I also wonder if their reactions to the holocaust question are also partially because they get asked about it all the time. They are over the question, so to speak and wish everyone else would be, too.

In a sense, they are as much parroting the views they have been told to have as many other people. The average American high school kid hasn't seen any evidence beyond pictures that the holocaust was real, but they believe it because they are told it is true by everyone around them.

*I'm not denying the holocaust at all here, I'm just trying to point out how much we take for granted in terms of believing things just because they are widely accepted by those around us as true. I hope they come to change their views but it's not going to happen overnight.

[valsa]

I've read that the father is from Iceland, and that the mother chose him because he was "good Aryan breeding material". She said her only regret about the relationship ending was how many more perfect Aryan children it could have produced, had it lasted. Sick.

Not to defend the mother at all but their father was fucked up as well. He lost all custody when they were little because he went on a rampage and threatened to kill his wife and daughters (even writing letters to that effect) I don't remember whether it was outright stated or just implied that he was under he influence of serious drugs at the time but that's definitely the impression I got. Interestingly enough, on a documentary years later (after he got clean), he pinged my gaydar something fierce.

[FloraDoraDolly]

Not to defend the mother at all but their father was fucked up as well. He lost all custody when they were little because he went on a rampage and threatened to kill his wife and daughters (even writing letters to that effect) I don't remember whether it was outright stated or just implied that he was under he influence of serious drugs at the time but that's definitely the impression I got. Interestingly enough, on a documentary years later (after he got clean), he pinged my gaydar something fierce.

Yeah, I remember seeing him in that documentary. He didn't ping my gaydar, but he did seem "off" for whatever reason.