Science doesn't need to be taught- via STFUbelievers

[lilah]

Great find from STFU believers

http://stfubelievers.tumblr.com/image/37660261962

[Maggie Mae]

I feel like that has to be a joke, but I have a feeling it's not.

I don't understand people who don't value education. I just don't understand it at all. I'm not very good at maths, but I try not to tell people that very often. Usually the figure it out if they know me and happen to catch me counting on my fingers. Because of this limitation, I doubt that I would want to try and teach other people higher level maths or geometry. I get the concepts of Algebra, but I never really bothered to do the route memorization, which is a severe impediment. I am aware of this. So any potential children I have in the future will probably be much better at math than myself, because I want the best for my (future) children.

[Minerva]

It must be scary when you're trying to control what parts of science your 12-year-old learns and he's going ahead and learning stuff on his own. Poor parent. :roll:

[samurai_sarah]

:shock: They're posting that on FB, which is only possible because of the divine hand of intervention science? And they're probably using mobile phones, driving around in cars, and using microwaves/air-planes/frigging electricity. Nothing to do with science, right?

[Becket70]

I saw on CNN that scientists may have found a cure for childhood leukemia. Tests on humans have shown promise. How can you not value science? I don't get it.

[Knight of Ni]

I saw on CNN that scientists may have found a cure for childhood leukemia. Tests on humans have shown promise. How can you not value science? I don't get it.

Because if God intended us to find the cure for leukemia he would tell his true followers through a message during prayer. The answer would just fall out of the sky for those who truly believe.

[shesinsane]

I saw on CNN that scientists may have found a cure for childhood leukemia. Tests on humans have shown promise. How can you not value science? I don't get it.

'cause God is all powerful and all knowing and all that. Science is discovered by humans, therefore prayer trumps all. Sure you might point to lots of dead people that were prayed for as proof that prayer isn't an effective medical treatment, but those people didn't pray hard enough or to the correct deity or something.

[happy atheist]

"Creation science"

They know that's an oxymoron, right?

[YPestis]

It's attitudes like that that makes me wary of homeschooling in states with little oversight. While public schools may be mediocre and teach to the lowest common denominator in many places, homeschooling in some areas have NO standards. You get great teachers and really, really horrible teachers and there's no one to verify that a minimal standard is achieved by all. Can't states agree to at least require yearly testing or standards prior to grade promotion? We don't let doctors practice without a license, why do we let teachers teach without one (in homeschooling)?

[BravaAmica]

It must be scary when you're trying to control what parts of science your 12-year-old learns and he's going ahead and learning stuff on his own. Poor parent. :roll:

What kid doesn't learn stuff on his own? Not saying all kids are scientists, but, yeah, all kids are naturally curious and like to find out stuff. I've never met a kid who was like, "No way, dude, I'm only learning what my parents teach me."

[JesusFightClub]

I'm not good at science at all but that hasn't stopped me having huge respect for it and for scientists. In fact the reverse, because I don't understand it I will listen to those who trained to do so and are clever at these things. (All I remember from science at school is that an atom is made out of bits, there is a sparkly chart with names on it and don't put your head in the chamber where one does experiments with liquids and gases.Oh yeah and there was this one time a guy brought in a porn mag.)

People with no more education than me, in some cases less, and they not only show disrespect for this important study but even set themselves up to "defeat" REAL scientists over issues like evolution. :roll: I don't even have words for this stupidity.

I like scientists and the reasons for that:

They constantly have a system of peer review

They study hard to learn a difficult art

Generally (not always but it's the same with everyone) they bring us a benefit

You should respect an expert, they know more about a subject than you.

Not got much time for anyone who says otherwise.

[YPestis]

If a homeschooling parent feels inadequate on a subject, they should outsource the teaching of said subject. Co-ops and homeschooling teaching exchanges happen all the time. This ensure that the child is taught by a teacher who is competent in his field while still maintaining full parental control of school.

I really hate homeschoolers who say they like to "learn with their kids" on subjects they have little understanding of, or their kids can self-teach with a textbook. It shows very little appreciation of the learning process and no respect for the teachers who take their jobs seriously. Of course, I figure most fundies are not concerned about academic learning. It's all about isolating the kids from those heathen, liberal ideas.

[lilith]

I don't get why Christians and creationists don't view the world like a puzzle. Like God gave us all the answers and all the materials we need to reach them and make them work, but it's up to us to find them.

Surely that would be the logical way for a believer to think.

[ILoveJellybeans]

There needs to be more regulations of homeschoolers, theres so many people we talk about on here who are doing it wrong. These kids are never going to be employable or be able to function in the real world if their educational needs are not being met.

[Terrie]

I don't get why Christians and creationists don't view the world like a puzzle. Like God gave us all the answers and all the materials we need to reach them and make them work, but it's up to us to find them.

Surely that would be the logical way for a believer to think.

The rational ones do see it like that. But we don't talk about them here, because there's minimal discussion to be had in "This person is logical and makes sense."

[famof4]

After reading that link, I am no longer peeved at my daughter's science teacher's comment.

The children in middle school and high school are required to “teach†us something they learned that week in science and we, their parents, are to then write what they “taught†us and sign the form. From an educational stand point , this is a good way to review what was taught in class.

The part that peeved me was my daughter’s middle school science teacher told my daughter in front of us to remember do the assignment “because Mom and Dad will learn something.†When I looked peeved she said “It will be good review for youâ€. She also mentioned that my daughter did not get full credit as I had only written down what my daughter had taught me not what I had learned.

What, I still need to learn 6th grade science? I was offended.

I had no idea until reading this link that there are parents that do not understand middle school science. It must be more common then I can even imagine.

[BravaAmica]

There needs to be more regulations of homeschoolers, theres so many people we talk about on here who are doing it wrong. These kids are never going to be employable or be able to function in the real world if their educational needs are not being met.

I'm sorry to say I used to disagree but have revised my opinion. I am sort of close to two homeschooling families. (I say sort of because I am doing the fade away.) And I must say (and I can only say it here) that I am appalled at what's happening to their kids.

One kid is eight and still freaks the hell out when his mom leaves the room. He has behavioral and learning problems that need the attention of a professional. His mom, at the end of her rope one day, confessed that she keeps him home because of how he acts. I pointed out that she lives across the street from an excellent public school. And that they have resources and trained professionals that could help her son and it wouldn't cost her a penny. But of course, it's not run by her church so she can't send her kids there.

Another kid is constantly demeaned or ignored because her interests aren't "godly" (can't have a little girl who wants to be president or a doctor. Oh, no, she must be a nurse or a teacher.) and she's told (or overhears) that she's going to be a slut when she grows up. (She's 6, BTW. Been hearing that since she was about 3.) Why is she going to be a slut, you ask? Because when she was 3, she took her dress off at the park and went in the splash pad in her underpants.

These children are being well educated in some respects, book-wise. they can translate Latin, play the piano beautifully and are doing great work in math. But they are not taught science because it questions God. And they are never, ever around others who look, think or act differently than they do. Because that will tempt them to sin and then they won't be virgins on their wedding nights.

Now, I am not 100% against homeschooling. I do supplement my son's education with some homeschooling- not much, just literature and history. It takes about three extra hours a week and we do it while he's doing his homework. I have not ruled it out doing it full time, either. There are specific situations where I would homeschool and I would use the homeschool co-op provided by my school district. It's the same material as what's taught in the public school classrooms and it's supervised by accredited teachers. (You go in twice a week for classwork, homework help, grading, ect. And if you can't go in, you Skype.)

[ILoveJellybeans]

Homeschooling can be good some times, and there are loads of parents who are doing it right, by giving their children a good balanced education, and also ensuring that they are getting the chance to socialise with kids of their age and also spend some time away from their parents.

Its terrible for a parent to be calling their child a slut because she took her clothes off in public at age 3. Most toddlers go through a naked stage, its completely developmentally appropriate. Verbal abuse is as damaging as physical abuse sometimes, isnt there any way of reporting it?

[Trynn]

I have met homeschoolers who do just fine in the real world... and I have also met homeschoolers who were so obviously sheltered it was painful. The problem was that they were so sheltered they were unaware that they were sheltered. I was pretty sheltered too, but not so much that I wasn't aware of it. These 3 girls, however, just did not have social skills.

[JaChelle Sugar]

:shock: They're posting that on FB, which is only possible because of the divine hand of intervention science? And they're probably using mobile phones, driving around in cars, and using microwaves/air-planes/frigging electricity. Nothing to do with science, right?

Those things, they're like science fiction!

Slight tangent but this clip is pretty applicable.

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*trying to get the youtube thingy to embed

[jenny_islander]

The rational ones do see it like that. But we don't talk about them here, because there's minimal discussion to be had in "This person is logical and makes sense."

Yes; it's a very old position, centuries older than "creation science," even older than science as a formally described system of thought. But nobody is out there on streetcorners waving copies of William of Ockham's Opera philosophica et theologica and screaming insults at passersby. Yes, theologica. Yes, that Ockham.