Maxwell parents naive or just simple?

[SunnyAndrsn]

That's why his 'church' is at a nursing home. A captive audience. Many just wheeled in without actually choosing to be there.

Obviously, they haven't been around them enough then if he thinks they can't talk back. Maybe it's just that all the wicked elderly are up here in the upper midwest.

Heck, I had a lady "kick" me this week and laugh, saying "I just killed your baby". I cheerfully replied (It was a heartbreaking situation...I wasn't cheerful, just trying to help keep me and my coworkers calm) that it was all okay, it was just my french fry baby.

Then she called me a fucking cunt and said she was going to twist my tit off.

Can you imagine how fast old Steve would have them out of the nursing home if they heard stuff like that?

[jenny_islander]

Obviously, they haven't been around them enough then if he thinks they can't talk back. Maybe it's just that all the wicked elderly are up here in the upper midwest.

Heck, I had a lady "kick" me this week and laugh, saying "I just killed your baby". I cheerfully replied (It was a heartbreaking situation...I wasn't cheerful, just trying to help keep me and my coworkers calm) that it was all okay, it was just my french fry baby.

Then she called me a fucking cunt and said she was going to twist my tit off.

Can you imagine how fast old Steve would have them out of the nursing home if they heard stuff like that?

I'm told that the average old folks' home might as well be a geriatric singles cruise with all the bedhopping going on. Can you imagine old Steve finding out!!

I wonder if his "elderly" sit and stare solemnly at him and let him feel all preacherly and stuff because they need snark fodder for boring Tuesday afternoons, and they know that if they actually laughed at him while he was in the room he would run away.

[VodouDoll]

Seriously. They're old, not stupid. My grandparents wouldn't have tolerated Steve's garbage. They'd probably have wound up the subjects of one of those mournful posts Sarah used to make (like this one: www.titus2.com/blog/index.php/2009/06/10/a-second-chance/) about the poor stubborn Catholic Elderly who declined attendance at Steve's church service so God sent them to hell. She doesn't do those anymore. I wonder if they got a lot of negative feedback from their readers.

[wild little fox]

Seriously. They're old, not stupid. My grandparents wouldn't have tolerated Steve's garbage. They'd probably have wound up the subjects of one of those mournful posts Sarah used to make (like this one: www.titus2.com/blog/index.php/2009/06/1 ... nd-chance/) about the poor stubborn Catholic Elderly who declined attendance at Steve's church service so God sent them to hell. She doesn't do those anymore. I wonder if they got a lot of negative feedback from their readers.

That is AWFUL!!! The LAST thing I would want if I were that sick with sepsis would be to have some snotty Bible thumper trying to "win my soul for Jebus" :evil:

[IrishRose]

I read that blog post...does it specifically say the lady was Catholic? I have no doubt that the Maxwells thinkCatholics are in a false religion.

[VodouDoll]

Not in this blog post, but Sarah's called Catholicism a false religion before so.... I mean, it doesn't really make a difference if this specific woman were Catholic or Jewish or Lutheran or anything else. Sarah would've made the post no matter what because the lady wouldn't convert to the Cult of Steve. He has his kids convinced that anyone who doesn't follow him is going to hell.

[JesusFightClub]

How can cats be objectively better than dogs or vice versa? That's just daft.

[Guest Anonymous]

Seriously. They're old, not stupid. My grandparents wouldn't have tolerated Steve's garbage. They'd probably have wound up the subjects of one of those mournful posts Sarah used to make (like this one: http://www.titus2.com/blog/index.php/20 ... nd-chance/) about the poor stubborn Catholic Elderly who declined attendance at Steve's church service so God sent them to hell. She doesn't do those anymore. I wonder if they got a lot of negative feedback from their readers.

A SECOND CHANCE

Posted on June 10, 2009 by Sarah

My heart was burdened today as I read the brief obituary of a lady who had been at the nursing home for a little while. It was probably about a year ago she was there, recovering, and I enjoyed interacting with her. There were opportunities I took to share the Lord Jesus with her. She softened as the weeks went by (even being interested in/accepting a Bible!), but I don’t think she came to church (if she did, it would have only been a time or so), and she stayed firm in her false religion. Christopher and I visited her in ICU when she had a septic infection. Oh, it was sad. A woman who desperately needed Jesus, but who wouldn’t give her life to Him, and she was sad and despondent. I think she allowed us to pray with her, although I’m not positive on that. After her hospital stay, she must have gone to another care place or home.

The Lord gave her a second chance to accept Him. Now, she has slipped into Eternity. From all I knew of her, it is a hopeless Eternity without the Lord Jesus. Yet, could it be that maybe, just maybe, in her last days, she repented and turned to Jesus. I’ll never know until Heaven.

Ministering at the nursing home gives us opportunities to share Jesus. It may be the last time they hear about Jesus, but the Lord is giving them another chance.

Sarah

“… and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?†(Romans 10:14).

That post is weird on so many levels, and the bolded makes me think a particular WTF?! Sarah knew the woman enough to have preached to her but wasn't sure whether the woman ever attended their (tiny, hard to miss anyone) church service, and can't even recall whether or not they prayed with her?

But she is sure the woman was destined for hell..... Was Sarah on drugs that day?

[Justme]

That post is weird on so many levels, and the bolded makes me think a particular WTF?! Sarah knew the woman enough to have preached to her but wasn't sure whether the woman ever attended their (tiny, hard to miss anyone) church service, and can't even recall whether or not they prayed with her?

But she is sure the woman was destined for hell..... Was Sarah on drugs that day?

How is it Sarah was reading her obituary? Per Stevie, they don't read newspapers and their internet is strictly limited. Do they troll obituary sites? The one I use requires you to enter a persons name.

[gardenvarietycitizen]

But she is sure the woman was destined for hell..... Was Sarah on drugs that day?

I don't know, but notice how certain Sarah is that she herself is going to heaven, of course. :roll:

[precious_one]

First off, kids should never be punished with food. If I had been the brothers I would have wanted to beat the crap out her. I don't know about other siblings but I know I argued with mine a lot and my own kids did the same. We were never punished and never were my kids. We were shut told to shut up!!!

Secondly, why would a parent even punish a kid over a silly argument about a cats and dogs? I wouldn't even call that an argument I would have probably called it a debate. I would have told the brothers that is fine that you like dogs better and it is fine that she likes cats better. No big deal

[moodygirl86]

Punishing kids for normal kid behaviour? Why am I not surprised? *headdesk*

[Guest Anonymous]

Punishing kids for normal kid behaviour? Why am I not surprised? *headdesk*

He used to send them away from the table to await 'consequences' if they behaved 'badly' at the dinner table too. He resolved his anger problem by not speaking to them about the issues, but just silently raising a finger for each 'offence' and then requiring them to leave when they reached his limit.

He wrote a long post about it. He seemed very proud to have worked out a way to silently take away their dinner and send them away to await a likely beating, rather than doing the perfectly normal parenting thing, such as saying "Finish chewing before you talk, please love" or "Just ask if you need something passing, sweetheart, don't stick your elbow in my dinner, please!" It may be tiresome at times to feel like you are eating in a small zoo, but the rage he seemed to experience at normal childish behaviour was way off any normal scale of frustration....

[moodygirl86]

He used to send them away from the table to await 'consequences' if they behaved 'badly' at the dinner table too. He resolved his anger problem by not speaking to them about the issues, but just silently raising a finger for each 'offence' and then requiring them to leave when they reached his limit.

He wrote a long post about it. He seemed very proud to have worked out a way to silently take away their dinner and send them away to await a likely beating, rather than doing the perfectly normal parenting thing, such as saying "Finish chewing before you talk, please love" or "Just ask if you need something passing, sweetheart, don't stick your elbow in my dinner, please!" It may be tiresome at times to feel like you are eating in a small zoo, but the rage he seemed to experience at normal childish behaviour was way off any normal scale of frustration....

I guess children aren't individual humans to him, just props for his idea of the perfect American family.

[lilwriter85]

I remember the Catholic lady at the nursing home incident being discussed last in another thread. I read that posting was annoyed with Sarah. The Maxwells at times have very crappy towards the nursing home residents. I hated when Steve called them "castaways from society" or something like that. Steve uses that nursing home as another way of isolating his kids. I believe part of the reason they left their former church was because of stuff like youth groups. I remember Steve or Teri posted some email from someone who said that they stopped letting their kids go to their church youth group and they felt that their family improved.

[Jana814]

How is it Sarah was reading her obituary? Per Stevie, they don't read newspapers and their internet is strictly limited. Do they troll obituary sites? The one I use requires you to enter a persons name.

This perticular post has a meaning to me it was one of the 1st ones I read on their blog, and made me really think about weird this family is. I have an issue w/ the Maxwell family thinking that an elderly person wants to hear about Jesus, in many cases if they are in nursering home they just want to be left alone and not told what they should do. It really bothered me that Sarah thought this woman is now in Hell because she did not except Jesus!!

[jockosmom]

This perticular post has a meaning to me it was one of the 1st ones I read on their blog, and made me really think about weird this family is. I have an issue w/ the Maxwell family thinking that an elderly person wants to hear about Jesus, in many cases if they are in nursering home they just want to be left alone and not told what they should do. It really bothered me that Sarah thought this woman is now in Hell because she did not except Jesus!!

But that's the way these people think. And by "these people" I don't mean just the Maxwells; I mean all these folks who are so certain sure that their belief system is the ONLY correct one and unless you believe EXACTLY what they do, you're going to hell or will be in a voidless eternity or some such nonsense. They can't simply let a person be, even on their deathbed.

[Jana814]

I remember the Catholic lady at the nursing home incident being discussed last in another thread. I read that posting was annoyed with Sarah. The Maxwells at times have very crappy towards the nursing home residents. I hated when Steve called them "castaways from society" or something like that. Steve uses that nursing home as another way of isolating his kids. I believe part of the reason they left their former church was because of stuff like youth groups. I remember Steve or Teri posted some email from someone who said that they stopped letting their kids go to their church youth group and they felt that their family improved.

Thank you Thank you Thank you for writing this comment!! I agree with you 100% I was totally going to say the same thing. Steve has a BIG problem w/ churches that seperate the kids and adults. He has even told people to leave their church if they start to do it. This is I think why Steve started the nursing home church so he can control even more of his kids life.

[Jana814]

I agree with you, I just don't understand why The Maxwell's and the people like them, think that their way is the only way to heaven!

[lilwriter85]

The fact that Steve is against youth groups or other church programs that are fun scares me because he is control freak and his family are being damaged his controlling ways. I knew a fundie lite family who homeschooled and had their sons involved in church youth groups because they wanted their kids to have good socialization skills. This family also had their boys involved in ebil youth sports leagues.I suspect that the reversal Maxwell kids don't have great social skills They probably do ok with being around other hardcore fundie teens or young adults. They wouldn't know to socialize with mainstream Christians or some of the fundie lite types. I'm not a huge fan of Miss Raquel, but she is living a more normal life than Mary Maxwell. MR isn't always hanging out with her siblings.

[moodygirl86]

The more I read about Steve Maxwell, the more I think he wouldn't have been out of place in Puritan times...

[jockosmom]

The more I read about Steve Maxwell, the more I think he wouldn't have been out of place in Puritan times...

I think the exalted Steve would be out of place in most times. The Puritans were settlers in a new world. They had to work together for the good of the whole group. I don't think Steve would do well at working in a group unless he's the head of the group. He can't even attend a church as a member; he has to be the head of his own made-up church.

[nokidsmom]

I think the exalted Steve would be out of place in most times. The Puritans were settlers in a new world. They had to work together for the good of the whole group. I don't think Steve would do well at working in a group unless he's the head of the group. He can't even attend a church as a member; he has to be the head of his own made-up church.

Yeah, he's the type who needs to be in charge and to call all the shots. I know several people like this; they can't really work within a group because they think they know best and whatever the group does has to be what they want. They can't stand it if different decisions are made. But Steve is an extreme example.

[SisiL78]

I think the exalted Steve would be out of place in most times. The Puritans were settlers in a new world. They had to work together for the good of the whole group. I don't think Steve would do well at working in a group unless he's the head of the group. He can't even attend a church as a member; he has to be the head of his own made-up church.

Totally agree. Steve can't take orders from ANYONE other than Steve. He'd probably have pissed off his Puritan brothers pretty quickly. He's also supremely lazy. He seems to be happy to sit back and let his wife and children do all the heavy lifting and work. He seems to spend a lot of alone time in his study. No doubt doing things that he'd never let his children do on the internet. Probably spends a few hours a day trolling this forum. Then off to some porn and maybe online games. He'll come down and read some Bible and eat some dinner.

[gardenvarietycitizen]

The fact that Steve is against youth groups or other church programs that are fun scares me because he is control freak and his family are being damaged his controlling ways. I knew a fundie lite family who homeschooled and had their sons involved in church youth groups because they wanted their kids to have good socialization skills. This family also had their boys involved in ebil youth sports leagues.I suspect that the reversal Maxwell kids don't have great social skills They probably do ok with being around other hardcore fundie teens or young adults. They wouldn't know to socialize with mainstream Christians or some of the fundie lite types. I'm not a huge fan of Miss Raquel, but she is living a more normal life than Mary Maxwell. MR isn't always hanging out with her siblings.

Hilarious part is Steve-O thinks his kids have great social skills, and his evidence is how they are willing to walk up to just anyone at all and start preaching, handing out tracts, etc without any sense of embarrassment.

Of course one way preaching and shoving a tract at someone is very much not the same thing as social skills (I suspect they'd fail hard in any sort of actual negotiations over anything - social skills involve give AND TAKE after all) and the fact that they have no shame in doing it is just another sign that they are so isolated that they have no idea that normal people find that behavior off-putting.

In some Corner or other they mention that even without attending youth group, when the family went to a normal church with other people of all ages, Sarah was being influenced by the fashion the other girls were wearing, even just seeing them sitting there in the pews. She was starting to want fashion her parents didn't approve of, so - isolation time.

I'd love to know what the nursing home staff thinks of the event, also if there are other churches that stop by or what.