Bontragers - Obama is a communist like Stalin and Hitler!

[pomology]

Forcing you to buy healthcare? Signing the NDAA? Resigning provisions in the patriot act? Bombing the shit out of Pakistan? Only supports gay marriage on the state level?

He sounds pretty fascist to me. I diffidently wouldn't want to live under his leadership. Where I live we have 'free healthcare', we aren't forced to buy anything. We take care of our sick and homeless and we don't bomb countries in the name of 'fighting terror'.

While I would like to dispute some of what you've said here, even if your spin on these issues is true, none of that makes him a fascist.

[OkToBeTakei]

Forcing you to buy healthcare? Signing the NDAA? Resigning provisions in the patriot act? Bombing the shit out of Pakistan? Only supports gay marriage on the state level?

He sounds pretty fascist to me. I diffidently wouldn't want to live under his leadership. Where I live we have 'free healthcare', we aren't forced to buy anything. We take care of our sick and homeless and we don't bomb countries in the name of 'fighting terror'.

Pakistan got bombed? Missed that.

I really think you might want to look up 'Fascism' as others have suggested. The last great Fascist actually euthanised the sick. Not the same thing really is it?

[SpeshulTaterTot]

Forcing you to buy healthcare? Signing the NDAA? Resigning provisions in the patriot act? Bombing the shit out of Pakistan? Only supports gay marriage on the state level?

He sounds pretty fascist to me. I diffidently wouldn't want to live under his leadership. Where I live we have 'free healthcare', we aren't forced to buy anything. We take care of our sick and homeless and we don't bomb countries in the name of 'fighting terror'.

Are you kidding me? There is no such thing as completely free healthcare. Where I'm from everyone has healthcare, poor, unemployed, even the homeless. It's still not free, I see what they take out of my paycheck every month. And if it doesn't work like that where you're from, it's still paid through taxes. NOT free. I'm a huge fan of universal healthcare, but calling it free is ridiculous.

You obviously have no clue what a fascist really is.

[Guest Anonymous]

Yes, Pakistan gets bombed almost daily by the U.S.

Sure, our healthcare is paid for by taxes, but no one is forced to buy insurance from a private company or face a fine.

[linnea27]

Forcing you to buy healthcare? Signing the NDAA? Resigning provisions in the patriot act? Bombing the shit out of Pakistan? Only supports gay marriage on the state level?

He sounds pretty fascist to me. I diffidently wouldn't want to live under his leadership. Where I live we have 'free healthcare', we aren't forced to buy anything. We take care of our sick and homeless and we don't bomb countries in the name of 'fighting terror'.

Yes, I am sure that the people living in Nazi Germany would agree that the parallels are uncanny.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Guest Anonymous]

Obama isn't on the left, he isn't even a moderate.

He's just a crazy as the president before him, he just hides it better.

[argypargy]

so they left the results up to god he chose Obama why are they not happy? Are they not supposed to follow gods lead with a smile on their faces?

Because it's only God's will if God chooses the candidate they want...otherwise, it's satan at work.

It makes no sense.

[OkToBeTakei]

Yes, Pakistan gets bombed almost daily by the U.S.

Sure, our healthcare is paid for by taxes, but no one is forced to buy insurance from a private company or face a fine.

Pakistan's government publicly condemns these attacks, but has secretly shared intelligence with the United States[8] and also allegedly allowed the drones to operate from Shamsi Airfield in Pakistan until 21 April 2011, when 150 Americans left the base.[9] According to secret diplomatic cables leaked by Wikileaks, Pakistan's Army Chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani not only tacitly agreed to the drone flights, but in 2008 requested Americans to increase them.[10]

Year Number of

Attacks Number Killed

Min. Max.

2004 1 5 8

2005 3 12 13

2006 2 90 102

2007 4 48 77

2008 36 219 344

2009 54 350 721

2010 122 608 1,028

2011 72 366 599

2012 40 188 299

Total 334 1,886 3,191

The first column indicates total attacks. 334 in 8 yrs.

NOT exactly daily.

Messages recovered from Osama bin Laden's home after his death in 2011, including one from then al Qaeda No. 3, Atiyah Abd al-Rahman reportedly, according to the Agence France-Presse and the Washington Post, expressed frustration with the drone strikes in Pakistan. According to an unnamed U.S. Government official, in his message al-Rahman complained that drone-launched missiles were killing al Qaeda operatives faster than they could be replaced

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2 ... t-44-times

Not really an Obama issue huh?

[OkToBeTakei]

Obama isn't on the left, he isn't even a moderate.

He's just a crazy as the president before him, he just hides it better.

OK, you know normally I try to be fairly polite and debate sensibly as I would in real life, but I think if you were sitting opposite me I would say the same:

You're a bit thick love.

[Guest Anonymous]

Yes, it's an Obama issue.

He's just killing innocent people. Read Noam Chomsky on al queda and terrorism.

[Guest Anonymous]

Still pinging the trolldar, Fundylyte.

[Guest Anonymous]

OkToBeTakei, get of Obama's nuts and see what I see.

Become a mutualist.

[Guest Anonymous]

sogba ok.

Just ignore me then.

[OkToBeTakei]

OkToBeTakei, get of Obama's nuts and see what I see.

Become a mutualist.

Mutualism is SO yesterday, I am considering Naturism though.

How do I get 'of'' Obama's nuts? Are they giving out freebies? I like a good freebie. Not fussed from where.

[Guest Anonymous]

http://www.infoshop.org/AnAnarchistFAQ

Off, I meant get off his nuts.

[OkToBeTakei]

http://www.infoshop.org/AnAnarchistFAQ

Off, I meant get off his nuts.

AHH ok, thanks for clearing that up. I never would have guessed.

[Guest Anonymous]

You're welcome. :)

[formergothardite]

Fundylyte, you started here with "WHY MUST YOU BE SO MEAN TO TEBOW, YOU HATERS?!" went to "Most fat people are lazy" and now this, if you aren't a troll, then you should probably rethink the way you post, because you come off as one.

[OkToBeTakei]

SQUIRRELS

[Guest Anonymous]

Fundylyte, you started here with "WHY MUST YOU BE SO MEAN TO TEBOW, YOU HATERS?!" went to "Most fat people are lazy" and now this, if you aren't a troll, then you should probably rethink the way you post, because you come off as one.

Yeah, I was just about to do a checklist. Supposedly a female Swedish anarcho-feminist p*rnstar but has the dodgy e-mail address of a guy, fat hating, Tebow defending, and now accusing a very moderate (by U.S. terms) president of being a fascist.

Verdict? Troll.

**ETA: p*rnstar.

[RachelB]

Pakistan got bombed? Missed that.

I really think you might want to look up 'Fascism' as others have suggested. The last great Fascist actually euthanised the sick. Not the same thing really is it?

Drone strikes in Pakistan were on my list of reasons I voted third party in this recent election. Even military intervention that doesn't directly put U.S. service members in harm's way is costly in terms of international goodwill, not to mention the well-being of Pakistani people. I voted for Pres. Obama in 2008 partly because I wanted the U.S. out of the wars we'd entered under Pres. Bush, and because it was clear to me that Sen. McCain was temperamentally more belligerent than anyone I want to see in control of the Armed Forces.

I still think Pres. Obama was better for U.S. foreign policy than McCain would have been. But my cousin, following his second tour of duty in Iraq, died a very preventable death due to inadequately treated war-related PTSD last year. Unlike my conservative aunt and uncle, I do not have the comfort of thinking that he died in the service of an important goal-- I think he died because we spend too much money on sending people off to fight totally unnecessary wars, and far too little money on taking care of their trauma when they return.

So, Pres. Obama is too hawkish for me, farther right in general than I am, and also too willing to compromise with people who aren't bargaining in good faith. But fascist? Not so much. Words mean things.

[OkToBeTakei]

Drone strikes in Pakistan were on my list of reasons I voted third party in this recent election. Even military intervention that doesn't directly put U.S. service members in harm's way is costly in terms of international goodwill, not to mention the well-being of Pakistani people. I voted for Pres. Obama in 2008 partly because I wanted the U.S. out of the wars we'd entered under Pres. Bush, and because it was clear to me that Sen. McCain was temperamentally more belligerent than anyone I want to see in control of the Armed Forces.

I still think Pres. Obama was better for U.S. foreign policy than McCain would have been. But my cousin, following his second tour of duty in Iraq, died a very preventable death due to inadequately treated war-related PTSD last year. Unlike my conservative aunt and uncle, I do not have the comfort of thinking that he died in the service of an important goal-- I think he died because we spend too much money on sending people off to fight totally unnecessary wars, and far too little money on taking care of their trauma when they return.

So, Pres. Obama is too hawkish for me, farther right in general than I am, and also too willing to compromise with people who aren't bargaining in good faith. But fascist? Not so much. Words mean things.

Very sorry for your loss RachelB, it was not a comment on the policies I was making, more pointing out the inaccuracy of the Swedish P*rn-star troll.

[Guest Anonymous]

Supposedly a female Swedish anarcho-feminist pornstar

>>Solo adult film actress. & Yes, I am an Anarchist.

but has the dodgy e-mail address of a guy

>>My boyfriend. I explained this before.

fat hating,

>>I don't hate fat people. Honestly I didn't even mean anything I said that day, I was just trying to fit in.

Tebow defending,

>>He's kinda cute.

and now accusing a very moderate

>>He's not moderate. He's pretty far to the right, just look at what he does, not what he 'claims' he wants to do.

[Guest Anonymous]

Wow, I'm going to try to use this trick in future:

fat hating,

>>I don't hate fat people. Honestly I didn't even mean anything I said that day, I was just trying to fit in.

Excuses herself from any wrongdoing, and strongly implies a culture of fat-shaming here. Nice.

Edited: Wording. I've had a long day, and words just don't make sense to me anymore.

[Guest Anonymous]

Supposedly a female Swedish anarcho-feminist pornstar

>>Solo adult film actress. & Yes, I am an Anarchist.

but has the dodgy e-mail address of a guy

>>My boyfriend. I explained this before.

fat hating,

>>I don't hate fat people. Honestly I didn't even mean anything I said that day, I was just trying to fit in.

Tebow defending,

>>He's kinda cute.

and now accusing a very moderate

>>He's not moderate. He's pretty far to the right, just look at what he does, not what he 'claims' he wants to do.

So you admit to lying, (not meaning anything you said) you defend an extreme fundamentalist on the basis that you think he's "cute", and you call President Obama a far right fascist. Okay player. Troll.

**ETA: Saying things you don't believe because you're "trying to fit in" is really problematic behavior that people tend to be over by they time they leave high school, if not before. You should work on that. It hoses your credibility (if you actually have any, which you don't, with me) and makes you look foolish.