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(from the Bates show) 12paines.com

 

At age 40, he quit his practice as a Family Physician to get a "job" stuffing letters or whatever for The Institute in Basic Life Principles. He honestly felt he could serve God "better".

 

How about using his talent and trainning to actually HELP people. There are so many hardworking folks (not just fundies) who can't afford medical care. If he didn't want to help poor Americans, he could have traveled to Haiti, Central America, or another poor country.

 

What the heck is The Institute in Basic Life Principles anyway? It's got to be something Gothard....

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It's Gothard.

Fuck, I cannot imagine doing this. A rewarding, well-paying career vs. stuffing envelopes? Really?

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Oh, and he's got a batch of "reversal kids", too! Move over Stevie!!

Maybe it's "fate". Maybe some of Stevie's reversal kids should marry some of Dr. Paines! :drool:

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I have a client whose DH quit privat epractice due to malpractice insurance rising an dwould not do probono cases because he knew several DRs who had been sued by probono clients when they did NOTHING wrong. He now works for the local hopsital but is considering quitting medicine altogether because of the crap that goes on. Sad that a good honest surgeon will quit because Obamacare is not going to help Dr's trying to do th eright thing..

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Soooooo instead of using his medical knowledge to save lives, he is off doing a boring job working for a cult leader?

Im sure saving lives is way more godly.

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The idiocy with Gothard and his followers keeps getting worse and worse. Can none of these people THINK? :think: :think: :think: :think:

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Reminds me of a non-profit that skimped on admin staff so that the directors were the ones answering the phones and doing the mailouts. Sure, totally makes sense to not hire a $15/hr office junior and instead force the head of the organisation to pitch in on their $45/hr salary. Totally inefficient. As I understand it, rural areas suffer from a lack of specialists and GPs. Why couldn't he have uprooted himself to somewhere remote to serve god by providing medical care to a population who'd otherwise have to travel hours just to get a script refilled? He could have tithed the cost of an admin worker to stuff envelopes and so provided Jesus with two workers for his crusade here on earth or something.

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I have a client whose DH quit privat epractice due to malpractice insurance rising an dwould not do probono cases because he knew several DRs who had been sued by probono clients when they did NOTHING wrong. He now works for the local hopsital but is considering quitting medicine altogether because of the crap that goes on. Sad that a good honest surgeon will quit because Obamacare is not going to help Dr's trying to do th eright thing..

What does this mean? Oh, and you may want to check your spacing, it was hard to decipher this post.

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(from the Bates show) 12paines.com

At age 40, he quit his practice as a Family Physician to get a "job" stuffing letters or whatever for The Institute in Basic Life Principles. He honestly felt he could serve God "better".

Somehow, I think there's more to this story...

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Dr Paine could have offered one of his multitudinous children up as "tithe" for the office busy work also while he did something that couldn't easily be handled by almost anyone.

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Soooooo instead of using his medical knowledge to save lives, he is off doing a boring job working for a cult leader?

Im sure saving lives is way more godly.

a job you could hire a monkey to do. (but that may cost more then this doctor) God works in mysterious ways.

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I too think there is more to this story....maybe something happened to hasten his "quitting" medicine and also explain why he's not medically ministering to the needy?

ETA - something other than swallowing koolaid or losing his marbles, that is

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I too think there is more to this story....maybe something happened to hasten his "quitting" medicine and also explain why he's not medically ministering to the needy?

With his full name & state(s) where he's licensed to practice medicine, an enquiring mind may find out more...

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I have a client whose DH quit private practice due to malpractice insurance rising an would not do probono cases because he knew several DRs who had been sued by probono clients when they did NOTHING wrong. He now works for the local hopsital but is considering quitting medicine altogether because of the crap that goes on. Sad that a good honest surgeon will quit because Obamacare is not going to help Dr's trying to do th eright thing..

This is crap. There are nut jobs who sue everybody. Malpractice rates and claims have both declined in recent years. Doctors leave clinical practice for a variety of reasons.Some docs decide to pursue other interests. Some go into a more administrative role. Some docs leave because they have been skating on the edge of legitimacy for a long time and now they are being watched. Some docs really do feel too old to make all of the adaptations that are happening so quickly. Obamacare will make some things better and other things harder. It is NOT socialized medicine, despite what some people think. It is just commercial insurance with tougher regulations.

The real deal is that Obamacare will make some doctors more money. It is just different doctors than the ones who traditionally make a fortune now. Invasive Cardiologists and Spine surgeons and Cardiothoracic surgeons who have made 10 boatloads of money will only be making 3 boatloads of money and will have to share it with the Pediatricians and Family Docs and Endocrinologists who do important work, but do not have a lot of high ticket procedures to do.

Insurance companies, which are really just investment banks, will be required to actually spend the premiums on health care rather than just reinvesting our money to make money for them. They will have to insure the higher risk people and they will not have such an easy time shutting people out. It is true that there will be a clampdown on unnecessary procedures. In the process of figuring all of this out, there will be some things that are deemed "unnecessary" that actually are necessary. The pendulum will eventually right this, but not before some people get shut out of care they need. On the other hand, there will be less people who undergo the risk of the procedures when they really have no need to do so.

The real downside of the government intervention in healthcare is the loss of privacy. As a PCP, I am adapting to the electronic record. I can see that much of my reimbursement for Medicare is coming from the need to collect enormous amounts of data. While the primary interest of the government is to use the data to make better decisions how to spend healthcare money, there is always the danger that the information can be used in more personal ways. Understand, however, that the insurance companies have been collecting this data for decades now. When you get insurance, you have to sign for it. When you sign for it, you give up your right to privacy to the Insurance Company (Bank). It has always been this way. And guess what, you also give the Insurance Company the right to sell your information to other insurance companies. Some choice....We give up our privacy to these private companies as we have been or we give it up to the government.

Personal freedom exists in health care only for folks who can pay cash for their care. This is virtually no one. Even most of the 1% cannot and will not comportably pay for all of their health care needs. They can afford to pay for the extras, of course, so it doesn't really matter much to them.

Health care has been rationed for a long time. Our only choice is whether we want a private company to ration it so that they can make a profit or we want the government to ration it so that even the poorest people can get some basic health care. Both choices suck in their own way. Government tends to be wasteful and sometimes misdirected.

My own thought is that in the case of a private company, I get no say as to the rationing unless I sit on the Board of Directors. With the government, at least I get a vote.

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This is crap. There are nut jobs who sue everybody. Malpractice rates and claims have both declined in recent years. Doctors leave clinical practice for a variety of reasons.Some docs decide to pursue other interests. Some go into a more administrative role. Some docs leave because they have been skating on the edge of legitimacy for a long time and now they are being watched. Some docs really do feel too old to make all of the adaptations that are happening so quickly. Obamacare will make some things better and other things harder. It is NOT socialized medicine, despite what some people think. It is just commercial insurance with tougher regulations.

The real deal is that Obamacare will make some doctors more money. It is just different doctors than the ones who traditionally make a fortune now. Invasive Cardiologists and Spine surgeons and Cardiothoracic surgeons who have made 10 boatloads of money will only be making 3 boatloads of money and will have to share it with the Pediatricians and Family Docs and Endocrinologists who do important work, but do not have a lot of high ticket procedures to do.

Insurance companies, which are really just investment banks, will be required to actually spend the premiums on health care rather than just reinvesting our money to make money for them. They will have to insure the higher risk people and they will not have such an easy time shutting people out. It is true that there will be a clampdown on unnecessary procedures. In the process of figuring all of this out, there will be some things that are deemed "unnecessary" that actually are necessary. The pendulum will eventually right this, but not before some people get shut out of care they need. On the other hand, there will be less people who undergo the risk of the procedures when they really have no need to do so.

The real downside of the government intervention in healthcare is the loss of privacy. As a PCP, I am adapting to the electronic record. I can see that much of my reimbursement for Medicare is coming from the need to collect enormous amounts of data. While the primary interest of the government is to use the data to make better decisions how to spend healthcare money, there is always the danger that the information can be used in more personal ways. Understand, however, that the insurance companies have been collecting this data for decades now. When you get insurance, you have to sign for it. When you sign for it, you give up your right to privacy to the Insurance Company (Bank). It has always been this way. And guess what, you also give the Insurance Company the right to sell your information to other insurance companies. Some choice....We give up our privacy to these private companies as we have been or we give it up to the government.

Personal freedom exists in health care only for folks who can pay cash for their care. This is virtually no one. Even most of the 1% cannot and will not comportably pay for all of their health care needs. They can afford to pay for the extras, of course, so it doesn't really matter much to them.

Health care has been rationed for a long time. Our only choice is whether we want a private company to ration it so that they can make a profit or we want the government to ration it so that even the poorest people can get some basic health care. Both choices suck in their own way. Government tends to be wasteful and sometimes misdirected.

My own thought is that in the case of a private company, I get no say as to the rationing unless I sit on the Board of Directors. With the government, at least I get a vote.

//End Rant

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And something tells me that a doctor who quits the medical profession to stuff envelopes may have come down with a case of malpracticitis at some point in his career. Either that, or he is squandering a rare and useful resource - his medical knowledge - to the determent of society and, I believe, to the continual dismay of the being the created us.

Nothing shows the ATI's lack of concern for human life quite so poignantly as a scenario like this: Instead of helping those without money for medical care, or going over seas, this doctor has been “called†to stuff mass mailers. And the higher ups at that cult are actually allowing this guy to bury his talents in a pile of junk mail.

...the fuck?

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It's Gothard.

Fuck, I cannot imagine doing this. A rewarding, well-paying career vs. stuffing envelopes? Really?

Really. Don't the vast majority of us aspire to do the reverse?

If he walked away from his practice, he shouldn't be addressed as "Doctor" anything. He's Mr. Paine who earned an MD and last practiced medicine something like 10 or more years...looks to be in his early/mid-50's.

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I have a client whose DH quit privat epractice due to malpractice insurance rising an dwould not do probono cases because he knew several DRs who had been sued by probono clients when they did NOTHING wrong. He now works for the local hopsital but is considering quitting medicine altogether because of the crap that goes on. Sad that a good honest surgeon will quit because Obamacare is not going to help Dr's trying to do th eright thing..

HUH?? Color me confused by your post.

Good doctors practice good medicine. Bad doctors, well... they're bad.

This Dr. Paine may not have been very good at his job or it was a bad fit. I'd think he could find something more productive to do than stuff envelopes, but to each his own. Remember that doctor we discussed awhile back who left her practice (or didn't finish residency or something) in order to focus on ministry and family? She was on some propaganda commercial video for Jesus books...

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I have a client whose DH quit privat epractice due to malpractice insurance rising an dwould not do probono cases because he knew several DRs who had been sued by probono clients when they did NOTHING wrong. He now works for the local hopsital but is considering quitting medicine altogether because of the crap that goes on. Sad that a good honest surgeon will quit because Obamacare is not going to help Dr's trying to do th eright thing..

Is that a political statement about healthcare for all? Last I heard the Hippocratic oath might be something your friend should check out.

Medicine is not a career to make money...and that in itself is such a daft statement. But seriously...doing it wrong. By it's challenges it can 'pay' well. but I detest those that use it so. The BEST surgeons/Consultants. They balance their OBAMA care with private practice. But you know you have to be good.

The most eminent and cutting edge medics. They are known for taking chances...and that tends to be not paid. Your pal needs to go into plumbing. That is a career that earns money. There is a shortage. It also does not involve humans. Not sure Obama will recompense him if he has an off day though. OH WELL :?

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I have a client whose DH quit privat epractice due to malpractice insurance rising an dwould not do probono cases because he knew several DRs who had been sued by probono clients when they did NOTHING wrong. He now works for the local hopsital but is considering quitting medicine altogether because of the crap that goes on. Sad that a good honest surgeon will quit because Obamacare is not going to help Dr's trying to do th eright thing..

I'm honestly confused about what your anecdotal evidence and mention of the Affordable Care Act have to do with anything? I'm pretty sure this Paine guy left his practice well before the ACA was passed.

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(from the Bates show) 12paines.com

At age 40, he quit his practice as a Family Physician to get a "job" stuffing letters or whatever for The Institute in Basic Life Principles. He honestly felt he could serve the ATI/Gotard cult(s) God "better".

How about using his talent and trainning to actually HELP people. There are so many hardworking folks (not just fundies) white Chrisian people who can't afford medical care. If he didn't want to help poor Americans, he could have traveled to Haiti, Central America, or another poor country.

What the heck is The Institute in Basic Life Principles anyway? It's got to be something Gothard....

Fixed that for ya. ;)

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This is crap. There are nut jobs who sue everybody. Malpractice rates and claims have both declined in recent years. Doctors leave clinical practice for a variety of reasons.Some docs decide to pursue other interests. Some go into a more administrative role. Some docs leave because they have been skating on the edge of legitimacy for a long time and now they are being watched. Some docs really do feel too old to make all of the adaptations that are happening so quickly. Obamacare will make some things better and other things harder. It is NOT socialized medicine, despite what some people think. It is just commercial insurance with tougher regulations.

The real deal is that Obamacare will make some doctors more money. It is just different doctors than the ones who traditionally make a fortune now. Invasive Cardiologists and Spine surgeons and Cardiothoracic surgeons who have made 10 boatloads of money will only be making 3 boatloads of money and will have to share it with the Pediatricians and Family Docs and Endocrinologists who do important work, but do not have a lot of high ticket procedures to do.

Insurance companies, which are really just investment banks, will be required to actually spend the premiums on health care rather than just reinvesting our money to make money for them. They will have to insure the higher risk people and they will not have such an easy time shutting people out. It is true that there will be a clampdown on unnecessary procedures. In the process of figuring all of this out, there will be some things that are deemed "unnecessary" that actually are necessary. The pendulum will eventually right this, but not before some people get shut out of care they need. On the other hand, there will be less people who undergo the risk of the procedures when they really have no need to do so.

The real downside of the government intervention in healthcare is the loss of privacy. As a PCP, I am adapting to the electronic record. I can see that much of my reimbursement for Medicare is coming from the need to collect enormous amounts of data. While the primary interest of the government is to use the data to make better decisions how to spend healthcare money, there is always the danger that the information can be used in more personal ways. Understand, however, that the insurance companies have been collecting this data for decades now. When you get insurance, you have to sign for it. When you sign for it, you give up your right to privacy to the Insurance Company (Bank). It has always been this way. And guess what, you also give the Insurance Company the right to sell your information to other insurance companies. Some choice....We give up our privacy to these private companies as we have been or we give it up to the government.

Personal freedom exists in health care only for folks who can pay cash for their care. This is virtually no one. Even most of the 1% cannot and will not comportably pay for all of their health care needs. They can afford to pay for the extras, of course, so it doesn't really matter much to them.

Health care has been rationed for a long time. Our only choice is whether we want a private company to ration it so that they can make a profit or we want the government to ration it so that even the poorest people can get some basic health care. Both choices suck in their own way. Government tends to be wasteful and sometimes misdirected.

My own thought is that in the case of a private company, I get no say as to the rationing unless I sit on the Board of Directors. With the government, at least I get a vote.

//End Rant

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This is a very classic cult tactic. It's so common to make people give up their livelihood to do menial work for the cult. The main reason this cult isn't called out for what it is is only because people don't all move in together on some Gothard compound.

On the other hand, I'm glad that this fundie evangelical doctor is no longer practicing. Because is a cult member, he would surely give false information to patients about reproduction, birth control, abortion, and sexuality. It's better for the world that he won't tell some poor woman that an embryo is a fully formed baby and that she killed that fully formed baby by using birth control years before. That means fewer Michelle Duggars.

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FlorenceHamilton remains my hero for telling it like it is without the expletives that somehow make their way into all of my posts :)

Seriously, I feel like you have a responsibility to use that medical education. People fight tooth and nail to get into medical school and then a decent residency. Paine took a spot that another doctor, one who actually might practice medicine, could have had. And with the shortage of primary care providers in the US, he definitely could have been used. Alleviating suffering is one of the only truly good things we normal people can do to help out in this fucked up world. Paine reminds me of the man who buries his talents rather than investing them in the parable of the talents. He has the ability and training to make a difference and he chooses not to use either. ffs, my kids can stuff envelopes.

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