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Kathryn31 wrote:

Koala wrote:

demgirl wrote: I'm sorry guys, but I just feel like this stuff has to be documented.

I'm determined for this to be a good day! Miss L woke up once again breaking house rules trying to get me mad, but I'm killing her with kindness and speaking or prophesying over her today. After she was disobedient, dishonoring and breaking my rules. I hugged her real tight and said THANKS FOR BEING A GOOD GIRL AND BEING SO OBEDIENT today is going to be a good day and to my surprise she received it and is now doing a diligent job scrubbing the shower after not wanting to step into the bathroom just moments b4! Praise God! This tactic doesn't always work sometimes she gets really angry that she wasn't able to push my buttons, but today it worked! ... It's now 4:23pm and I should have known that I spoke to soon! Today is a work day because we are hosting a BBQ at our home tomorrow so we have been working all day. Miss L has been doing her assign jobs, but she was making sure to make stops to purposefully try and annoy me.

Seriously? Prophesying over her? No wonder the kid was terrified and maybe acting out... strange country, strange home, strange people, strange food and some crazy white lady "prophesying over" you all day? And has anyone else noticed that these supposed "incidents" mostly seem to occur when Mom is trying to get the young child to do chores that are not necessarily age-appropriate, like scrub the shower? I mean, what, the kid had been in her new home for a few months at MOST and she has to do a "work day" all day long?

And this horrible RAD behavior? Apparently it involves coming into the house when being told to stay outside all day:

She kept coming in and out to try and push my buttons, but I'd just send her back outside and told her to stay outside today so of course she went out and then came right back in moments later. She did this on a few occasions. I didn't loose my cool, but the last time I told her if she came in again she wouldn't be getting lunch. I told her, "So if you are not hungry just let me know by coming in again."

FUCKING BITCH. Threatening to withhold food from a child who lived in an orphanage in an impoverished country because she came inside when she wasn't supposed to? There are no words. There are just no fucking words.

I said, "You can say sorry." She said, "Sorry" but with a nice size grin on her face. Sorry my hiney! But I held it in because it's become a game let's tick mommy off. However, I am also pretty competitive and I am strong enough (most of the time) to win her at her own game at least in front of her face.

So this is a GAME? A COMPETITION? Seriously? Fucking seriously? Is this some sort of sick and twisted joke?

I have come to realize that I deal with rebellion much easier than with a pathetic spirit. Mr. J is pathetic with a capital P most days. Have you ever watched Winnie the Pooh, well Mr. J is like Eeyor.... poor poor me I'm so pathetic. Now that drives me up the wall! But that's another post.

You are SICK lady. SICK.

You know, with each post I think it can't possibly get worse....and then it does. This woman is the worst excuse for a human being I have ever seen

Koala I keep thinking the same thing. There is something really, really wrong here. She is too twisted to not need some serious help. I cannot believe this is out in blogland. Has someone taken screen shots or something because this should be documented. I literally fear for her kids mental and physical safety and that is something I have never said about a fundie blogger.

Especially when the little girl was only 5 and the boy (I assume this is "Mr. J") was only 7.

eaglemom

I wonder how we can find out where that poor little girl ended up. I didn't see any follow up about her? Did I just miss it? I hope so. I'm scared she is either buried in their backyard, or working as domestic help for some fundie elite. I don't often HATE the fundies we read about here, but I can say that I DESPISE this woman. She makes me feel scared. We must find out who let this woman adopt and make sure they know how tragically wrong this decision was. I'll try and get screen captures of as many pages as I can. I have a friend who is very involved in adoptive child advocacy and I'll ask her for advice about who to contact.

Emma brings to mind the mother in the book "A Child Called It". I am going to have a hard time sleeping tonight.

Koala

I agree. I keep wondering where she (Lovelie) is and why she isn't being mentioned.

I firmly believe Emma needs to be investigated. Something is very seriously wrong with her, and I truly worry for her children.

Koala

eaglemom wrote:I am going to have a hard time sleeping tonight.

Me too...

I would venture that most of the moms here hugged their kids a little tighter tonight.

notTHATkind

quinoa mama wrote:I feel sick. http://radchallengedotblo...-play-dumb.html#comments

She has a video of the little girl "playing dumb" not knowing how to turn off the vacuum cleaner. You can hear her voice talking to her daughter in a very sarcastic way. I guess her excuse for video taping it is that she wants to use this to teach other parents how to deal with this situation. It comes across as her being very proud of herself, and it's incredibly demeaning to the child.

To be fair, that's not her kid. But if public humiliation and shaming in front of younger siblings is her parenting technique, I'm not surprised she abandoned her kids.

notTHATkind

ladypuglover wrote:Where is the devil picture? Why would she even do that? Please for my own reasons would someone link to the photo?

Gawd this is bringing back bad nightmares for me. For example my dad took some time one day to go through every single picture of me to make me look like I was a devil with horns and ptichfork and long red tail. All the ones in frames I should say and then proudly hung them up on the wall. He had invited some of his friends over and then called me to come look at what he did that day. There were all these photos of my childhood in front of his friends making me look evil but in my dad's words my true self. I felt destroyed and couldn't even react. When I didn't react in the temper or crying to prove how evil I really was my dad beat me to show how he had to be forced to deal with me. I was 10 years old and I thought I was over it and this bitch is still a child in such an evil way. My little girl self is crying for this other hurt child and my grown self wants to take her out back for a "Come to Jesus" meeting.... meaning tighten her shot group. How could she keep abusing this child when he is gone?

This made me cry. I am sorry that your dad was such a violent and abusive creep. If I knew him, I would punch him.

The picture was a negative image of the photo under the video on this page: strongquiver.blogspot.com/p/adoption.html

She must have read this and taken it down.

eaglemom

OK, so I did screen captures of most of her RAD site and some of her Strong Quiver site (mostly the adoption related posts). I thought we should have them just in case anyone needs them, or she pulls it.

or, to translate into SOTDRese:

o.k. sew eye Did screen capshures of most, of her RAD sight and some, of her Strong qwiver sight (mosely the adopshun relative posts). Eye thowt we shood have them gist in cays anyone needs, them oar she Pulls it.

AthenaC

eaglemom wrote:OK, so I did screen captures of most of her RAD site and some of her Strong Quiver site (mostly the adoption related posts). I thought we should have them just in case anyone needs them, or she pulls it.

or, to translate into SOTDRese:

o.k. sew eye Did screen capshures of most, of her RAD sight and some, of her Strong qwiver sight (mosely the adopshun relative posts). Eye thowt we shood have them gist in cays anyone needs, them oar she Pulls it.

Trilingual translation:

The Lord put it upon my heart to purpose to document her blogs about her DS and DD. We may have provident need of them, in the Lord's time, and she may try to hide the evidence of her sin. His will be done!

eaglemom

thanks for the additional translation, love it!

Another thought: isn't Gothard very anti-adoption? Interesting that this family got their ATI box in the mail just a few months after dumping their adoptive kids, no?

Lillybee

demgirl wrote:I'm sorry guys, but I just feel like this stuff has to be documented.

I'm determined for this to be a good day! Miss L woke up once again breaking house rules trying to get me mad, but I'm killing her with kindness and speaking or prophesying over her today. After she was disobedient, dishonoring and breaking my rules. I hugged her real tight and said THANKS FOR BEING A GOOD GIRL AND BEING SO OBEDIENT today is going to be a good day and to my surprise she received it and is now doing a diligent job scrubbing the shower after not wanting to step into the bathroom just moments b4! Praise God! This tactic doesn't always work sometimes she gets really angry that she wasn't able to push my buttons, but today it worked! ... It's now 4:23pm and I should have known that I spoke to soon! Today is a work day because we are hosting a BBQ at our home tomorrow so we have been working all day. Miss L has been doing her assign jobs, but she was making sure to make stops to purposefully try and annoy me.

Seriously? Prophesying over her? No wonder the kid was terrified and maybe acting out... strange country, strange home, strange people, strange food and some crazy white lady "prophesying over" you all day? And has anyone else noticed that these supposed "incidents" mostly seem to occur when Mom is trying to get the young child to do chores that are not necessarily age-appropriate, like scrub the shower? I mean, what, the kid had been in her new home for a few months at MOST and she has to do a "work day" all day long?

And this horrible RAD behavior? Apparently it involves coming into the house when being told to stay outside all day:

She kept coming in and out to try and push my buttons, but I'd just send her back outside and told her to stay outside today so of course she went out and then came right back in moments later. She did this on a few occasions. I didn't loose my cool, but the last time I told her if she came in again she wouldn't be getting lunch. I told her, "So if you are not hungry just let me know by coming in again."

FUCKING BITCH. Threatening to withhold food from a child who lived in an orphanage in an impoverished country because she came inside when she wasn't supposed to? There are no words. There are just no fucking words.

I said, "You can say sorry." She said, "Sorry" but with a nice size grin on her face. Sorry my hiney! But I held it in because it's become a game let's tick mommy off. However, I am also pretty competitive and I am strong enough (most of the time) to win her at her own game at least in front of her face.

So this is a GAME? A COMPETITION? Seriously? Fucking seriously? Is this some sort of sick and twisted joke?

I have come to realize that I deal with rebellion much easier than with a pathetic spirit. Mr. J is pathetic with a capital P most days. Have you ever watched Winnie the Pooh, well Mr. J is like Eeyor.... poor poor me I'm so pathetic. Now that drives me up the wall! But that's another post.

You are SICK lady. SICK.

That boy was 5 years old, you fucking bitch, and has probably gone through more horror in his short life that you can imagine. I am sorry for my language, first time I have ever used it on line but this woman is a fucking bitch.

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notTHATkind

I can't find the post, but earlier someone directed me to the Minchin family blog. I have been reading it intermittently when Emma's crazy gets to be too much. There is a woman who is raising RAD kids right! I am in love with each of her four children, her, and her husband. What a fun and loving family. I hope that Emma's ex-kids have forever families like the Minchins.

FloraDoraDolly

IF these children have RAD-- and that's a big IF-- I wonder if they developed it while they were living in this woman's home? I see a lot here that would make a traumatized child worse. Scrubbing the shower? Did this woman take parenting lessons from Joan Crawford? And threatening to withhold food from that little girl is absolutely the wrong thing to do. Food issues are extremely common among children who have been traumatized. They need the security of knowing that Mom and Dad will always feed them; psychologically, they're like infants in that respect.

Lillybee

I sometimes follow a blog called smilesandtrials.blogspot. It is written by a woman who has six children that she birthed and nine that have been adopted. Three or four of the are from disputed adoptions. Some of the adopted children have handicaps both mental and physical. I think one has rad along with his other problems. I don't think she is even fundie-light but a truly religious mainline protestant. I am amazed with how this mom is able to know each child's needs and how hard she works to help them. Some are home schooled, some go to regular school and some are in classes for kids with special needs. She is doing something right and it makes this bitch look like the idiot she is.

Anyhow, she was talking to a mom who also had a rad adoption and surrendered the child to a placement that she though would work for the child. The sad thing is that the new dad beat this child to death 14 days after the surrender.

My heart is broken after reading Emma's blog and then finding out what happened to a surrendered child.

camdendayton

Kathryn31 wrote:Another thing I love is how she explains away any wrong doing by saying this is not what her "calling" is about and she stepped into another persons "gifting" which is why the adoption failed. It couldn't possibly be due to the black heart and elephant sized ego could it? Nah.....

Next time my students are driving me insane in the middle of a school year I think I'll take a page out of Emma's book and tell my principal, you know, I just realized I wasn't "called" to do this. ((BARF))

notTHATkind

I can't find the post, but earlier someone directed me to the Minchin family blog. I have been reading it intermittently when Emma's crazy gets to be too much. There is a woman who is raising RAD kids right! I am in love with each of her four children, her, and her husband. What a fun and loving family. I hope that Emma's ex-kids have forever families like the Minchins.

FloraDoraDolly

IF these children have RAD-- and that's a big IF-- I wonder if they developed it while they were living in this woman's home? I see a lot here that would make a traumatized child worse. Scrubbing the shower? Did this woman take parenting lessons from Joan Crawford? And threatening to withhold food from that little girl is absolutely the wrong thing to do. Food issues are extremely common among children who have been traumatized. They need the security of knowing that Mom and Dad will always feed them; psychologically, they're like infants in that respect.

Lillybee

I sometimes follow a blog called smilesandtrials.blogspot. It is written by a woman who has six children that she birthed and nine that have been adopted. Three or four of the are from disputed adoptions. Some of the adopted children have handicaps both mental and physical. I think one has rad along with his other problems. I don't think she is even fundie-light but a truly religious mainline protestant. I am amazed with how this mom is able to know each child's needs and how hard she works to help them. Some are home schooled, some go to regular school and some are in classes for kids with special needs. She is doing something right and it makes this bitch look like the idiot she is.

Anyhow, she was talking to a mom who also had a rad adoption and surrendered the child to a placement that she though would work for the child. The sad thing is that the new dad beat this child to death 14 days after the surrender.

My heart is broken after reading Emma's blog and then finding out what happened to a surrendered child.

camdendayton

Kathryn31 wrote:Another thing I love is how she explains away any wrong doing by saying this is not what her "calling" is about and she stepped into another persons "gifting" which is why the adoption failed. It couldn't possibly be due to the black heart and elephant sized ego could it? Nah.....

Next time my students are driving me insane in the middle of a school year I think I'll take a page out of Emma's book and tell my principal, you know, I just realized I wasn't "called" to do this. ((BARF))

camdendayton

Lillybee wrote:

Anyhow, she was talking to a mom who also had a rad adoption and surrendered the child to a placement that she though would work for the child. The sad thing is that the new dad beat this child to death 14 days after the surrender.

Wow. Frightens me more for Ms. L. sighhh...

For those of you who can still snark and are not speechless, i'm jealous. This thread has zapped any creative ability out of my brain. But I don't think this one needs any help from me: (From Modesty wasn't my middle name...Not even my First! @ strongquiver.blogspot.com/2009/03/modesty-wasnt-my-middle-namenot-even-my.html)

And, Persuaded, you are my hero. Thank you so much for being able to stay polite enough to get this crazy be-atch to take that devil picture down. You truly emulated Jesus kindness in the way you wrote that.

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Sola

I think she is trying to tell us something;

Today's post http://strongquiver.blogs...011/06/word-for-day.html

Jencendiary

I'd like to tell her to kiss the fattest part of my ass.

pippa2

I am shocked and sad and angry! How can we stop this woman from inflicting more harm? I am so proud of FJ for exposing these kind of people! You guys are amazing!

persuaded

flyonthewall wrote:(I couldn't help but chuckle when she mentioned tomatoes in her reply to you)

I found that rather humorous as well.. hehehe. And thanks to all of you for the warm words. I labored over the wording of that comment for wayay too long (and kinda neglected my own kids in the process, eek.) I am so relieved that she took that photo down though. So relieved.

persuaded

t0r0sebud1 wrote:WTG Persuaded! I read your blog and know you are the most wonderful adoptive mom around. I couldn't see you putting up with any of it!

Thanks t0r0sebud.... you're just so sweet♥ You know one of the things that really upsets me about this-to the point of tears- is that I would so love to adopt another child, but most likely never will be able to (because of things like finances and my age and so on.) A little boy like J would just about be my ideal! Noah is positively pining to be a big brother, and the poor kid would love to have another male in the house.... I just want someone who still fits in children's clothingWink

camdendayton

Lillybee wrote:

Anyhow, she was talking to a mom who also had a rad adoption and surrendered the child to a placement that she though would work for the child. The sad thing is that the new dad beat this child to death 14 days after the surrender.

Wow. Frightens me more for Ms. L. sighhh...

For those of you who can still snark and are not speechless, i'm jealous. This thread has zapped any creative ability out of my brain. But I don't think this one needs any help from me: (From Modesty wasn't my middle name...Not even my First! @ strongquiver.blogspot.com/2009/03/modesty-wasnt-my-middle-namenot-even-my.html)

And, Persuaded, you are my hero. Thank you so much for being able to stay polite enough to get this crazy be-atch to take that devil picture down. You truly emulated Jesus kindness in the way you wrote that.

As far as images use the button 6 from the left at the top of the comments bar.

Sola

I think she is trying to tell us something;

Today's post http://strongquiver.blogs...011/06/word-for-day.html

Jencendiary

I'd like to tell her to kiss the fattest part of my ass.

pippa2

I am shocked and sad and angry! How can we stop this woman from inflicting more harm? I am so proud of FJ for exposing these kind of people! You guys are amazing!

persuaded

flyonthewall wrote:(I couldn't help but chuckle when she mentioned tomatoes in her reply to you)

I found that rather humorous as well.. hehehe. And thanks to all of you for the warm words. I labored over the wording of that comment for wayay too long (and kinda neglected my own kids in the process, eek.) I am so relieved that she took that photo down though. So relieved.

persuaded

t0r0sebud1 wrote:WTG Persuaded! I read your blog and know you are the most wonderful adoptive mom around. I couldn't see you putting up with any of it!

Thanks t0r0sebud.... you're just so sweet♥ You know one of the things that really upsets me about this-to the point of tears- is that I would so love to adopt another child, but most likely never will be able to (because of things like finances and my age and so on.) A little boy like J would just about be my ideal! Noah is positively pining to be a big brother, and the poor kid would love to have another male in the house.... I just want someone who still fits in children's clothingWink

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garciarodrigezmarzetti

Ooh. Ow. That latest post gave me the feeling that we just got the biggest bless your heart type fundIe f you. Aw, special.

Latraviata

FloraDoraDolly wrote:IF these children have RAD-- and that's a big IF-- I wonder if they developed it while they were living in this woman's home? I see a lot here that would make a traumatized child worse. Scrubbing the shower? Did this woman take parenting lessons from Joan Crawford? And threatening to withhold food from that little girl is absolutely the wrong thing to do. Food issues are extremely common among children who have been traumatized. They need the security of knowing that Mom and Dad will always feed them; psychologically, they're like infants in that respect.

I asked the same question in post nr. 176

I can't find it on her blog whether they are diagnosed with RAD, perhaps my English is not good enough, well... good enough to conclude that this woman is maliciously insane.

"And as a result you are diagnosed (officially, by a professional??) RAD"

Generation Cedarchips

Koala wrote: I agree. I keep wondering where she (Lovelie) is and why she isn't being mentioned.

I firmly believe Emma needs to be investigated. Something is very seriously wrong with her, and I truly worry for her children.

I agree. The way in which she threw away those poor adopted Haitian children is chilling and I worry about what is happening to the other kids in that house.

Rowan

Sola wrote:I think she is trying to tell us something;

Today's post http://strongquiver.blogs...011/06/word-for-day.html

So we're judging her based on what SHE wrote about what SHE chooses to do, but her judgement and condemnation of innocent children is ok?

The hypocrisy, it BURNS!

Latraviata

Latraviata wrote:

FloraDoraDolly wrote:IF these children have RAD-- and that's a big IF-- I wonder if they developed it while they were living in this woman's home? I see a lot here that would make a traumatized child worse. Scrubbing the shower? Did this woman take parenting lessons from Joan Crawford? And threatening to withhold food from that little girl is absolutely the wrong thing to do. Food issues are extremely common among children who have been traumatized. They need the security of knowing that Mom and Dad will always feed them; psychologically, they're like infants in that respect.

I asked the same question in post nr. 176

I can't find whether they were officially diagnosed on her blog, perhaps my English is not good enough, well... good enough to conclude that this woman is maliciously insane.

"And as a result you are diagnosed (officially, by a professional??) RAD"

gracegrace

Those poor, poor kids. All of them, the bio kids and the two she adopted. Like everyone else, I'm speechless.

formerGothardite

I thought about those poor children and this evil woman all night long. The total lack of personal responsibility just astounds me. She places all the blame on the children and doesn't accept any on herself for adopting children before she did any research. They came "home" (if you can call that hell-hole home) right when she had a baby who had a lot of medical needs, she was barely at home for the first three months they were here, so she needs to step up to the plate and admit that it wasn't them, it was her choosing to bring them into a situation in which the adults would not be able to properly give them the care and attention they need. They are children, the adults who put them in a situation where they were set up to fail are the ones to blame.

eaglemom

Ah, hiding behind her Jesus card, nothing drives me up a wall faster than someone who knowingly, purposely, and continually acts atrociously, but then pulls out the whole "but Jesus died for my sins, so I am forgiven" bit.

If this weren't so heartbreakingly real, it would be almost comical. She is like a walking, talking Disney villain. Cinderella's stepmother comes to mind, or Cruela Deville. I hope this doesn't sound like "tattle tailing"

Austin

eaglemom wrote: OK, so I did screen captures of most of her RAD site and some of her Strong Quiver site (mostly the adoption related posts). I thought we should have them just in case anyone needs them, or she pulls it.

or, to translate into SOTDRese:

o.k. sew eye Did screen capshures of most, of her RAD sight and some, of her Strong qwiver sight (mosely the adopshun relative posts). Eye thowt we shood have them gist in cays anyone needs, them oar she Pulls it.

That's great.

For those that asked, I did ask Alecto about backing up this thread and she said that it's not possible to back up just one thread. Screen shots at the way to go, and it looks like Eaglemom has done that. Smile

booksnbeats

eaglemom wrote:If this weren't so heartbreakingly real, it would be almost comical. She is like a walking, talking Disney villain. Cinderella's stepmother comes to mind, or Cruela Deville. I hope this doesn't sound like "tattle tailing"

Seriously. I keep trying to remind myself there must be many parents in the world worse than this woman. It's just her complete self-obsession and lack of reflection beyond her own belly button that makes me extra sick.

The Minchin blog also helped me regain my trust in humanity last night.

Unfortunately, accidentally finding this story crushed it again this morning: http://www.thedenverchann...ews/24778712/detail.html Hmm, sounds familiar.

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notTHATkind wrote:

quinoa wrote: Full disclosure: I started potty training my son as soon as he could sit up on his own by doing basically this very thing. We sat him on the potty after meals and nap, and periodically throughout the day. If he peed or pooped in the potty, we'd point it out to him matter-of-factly - "Oh look, you pee-peed in the potty," and move on with our day. If he used his diaper, we just cheerfully changed it and made no comment either way. By 11 months, he only soiled diapers overnight. (In all other aspects of my parenting, I think I'm pretty middle of the road.)

If I could have kids, I would do it this way, too. I have a friend who didn't have to change poopy diapers all day by the time her daughter was 9 months, and that just sounds like a bonus to me.

OK, I haven't read 80% of this thread, but-

This mother of now-adult children, and current grandmother, says-- you are nuts. What you are talking about it "training" the mother. Infants cannot be potty trained. Period.

And only and idiot passes her/himself off as an expert on something she/he has not done. (But we see that all the time on FJ...)

formerGothardite

Can someone pretty please copy her latest post because it appears that she is so evil that my computer doesn't even like her and will only load the header, nothing else. I'm not having problems with any other sites, just hers.

oscar

apple1 wrote:

notTHATkind wrote:

quinoa wrote: Full disclosure: I started potty training my son as soon as he could sit up on his own by doing basically this very thing...By 11 months, he only soiled diapers overnight.

If I could have kids, I would do it this way, too. I have a friend who didn't have to change poopy diapers all day by the time her daughter was 9 months, and that just sounds like a bonus to me.

OK, I haven't read 80% of this thread, but-

This mother of now-adult children, and current grandmother, says-- you are nuts. What you are talking about it "training" the mother. Infants cannot be potty trained. Period.

My brother was very difficult to toilet train, because he was so darn afraid of sitting on a potty seat with a hole in it. I can see how normalizing the experience of sitting on a potty seat before he was developmentally ready to toilet train could have made things much, much easier.

That aside, thinking about this awful woman kept me up all night. I desperately hope the children whom she so miserably failed at parenting have found their way into a safe and happy situation, and I feel terrible for her biological children, who don't deserve a mean-spirited piece of crap for a mother, either. Those poor kids - I hope they realize, as they grow up, that she was the one with the problems and it had nothing to do with them.

Want More Babies

I have a Bible verse for her! Matt 18:6 But if you give them a hard time, bullying or taking advantage of their simple trust, you'll soon wish you hadn't. You'd be better off dropped in the middle of the lake with a millstone around your neck. Doom to the world for giving these God-believing children a hard time! Hard times are inevitable, but you don't have to make it worse—and it's doomsday to you if you do.

See God can't be happy with her, and the fact that she leaves those blogs up with her hate filled words mean that what she posted today doesn't apply to her. Sorry, an evil person cannot claim the promises of God. They are for those who love Him. And how do we know if someone loves Him? They love other people, and that would include traumatized orphan children!

oscar

formerGothardite wrote:Can someone pretty please copy her latest post because it appears that she is so evil that my computer doesn't even like her and will only load the header, nothing else. I'm not having problems with any other sites, just hers.

formerGothardite, she quotes Isaiah 54:17 and John Gill's Exposition - http://www.biblestudytool...-bible/isaiah-54-17.html - on that verse.

Then she writes,

I thank you YVHV that every tongue that rises against me in condemnation You, oh Lord, will be my defense. My life is hidden in you and it is before you YVHV that I stand or fall. My many sins have been covered in your blood. My life has been purchased by your Son. I am not perfect, but I am thankfully forgiven by your gracious mercies. Make me new everyday. Amen

Those appear to be her own words.

Then she cites Romans 12:19, and concludes by saying,

If you are reading this I pray you will be blessed today and that the LOVE of Christ would feel your hearts with HIS peace and HIS understanding.

What a fucking bitch.

capt sugaree

If you Google, you will find a ton of human interest news stories on their adoption. I mean, they really gave a ton of interviews.

Here's a story about the opening of that women's shelter she worked for. http://www.currypilot.com...OF-NEW-BROOKINGS-SHELTER

Which has been closed due to financial reasons: http://bogm.org/?page_id=134 Maybe she ran it into the ground

capt sugaree

Ooooh, new comment on that last self-pitying blog entry

Do not let revilers harm you. Report them to YUKU and if need be, contact your attorney.

Okay, kids, someone save this thread, please. Also, bring on the Internet attorneys! I just love when they reference the Internet attorneys!

failsafe

This mother of now-adult children, and current grandmother, says-- you are nuts. What you are talking about it "training" the mother. Infants cannot be potty trained. Period.

I just asked my mother and she reiterated - I stopped using diapers altogether at 1 year, and was basically potty trained by 9mo, but she used diapers overnight in case of accidents. I asked her if she thought *she* was trained, and she said no, at first it was watching me to look for cues, but around 9 months it was just that it was a predictable schedule, and I would "hold it" until she got me to a potty. But she said none of her American friends believed her either, but she was raised in India in the late 50s, early 60s, and no children wore diapers - and most were potty trained quite early as well. My grandparents saw nothing strange about it.

She said it would have been hard if only *she* was trained, since she worked part time and I had a nanny and grandmother who also took care of me. She said she'd leave instructions on the time I needed to be over the potty, and I wouldn't go until then.

apple1

Yeah, well, my (now deceased) mother always told everyone that I (a preemie, BTW) was potty trained by 13 months, too.

I just love it when those who haven't done something are experts on the subject.

Oh well, more to the point--

That woman is clearly severely psychotic. I truly hope CPS gets involved and removes any and all children from her care. Yes, I think she does win the "prize" for the most horrible fundy ever discussed on FJ. And she is so clearly psychotic that the fundy-ism probably is only a side issue. Someone that psychotic is a clear danger to children no matter what his or her belief structure. Unfortunately, it makes it worse when Pearl-isms and Gothard-isms get added to the already dangerous situation.

I am actually speechless on this one. It is way past snark-worthy. Absolutely devastating. If her children are not taken away and re-established in a healing environment, I predict a multiplicity of severely disturbed adults (assuming that they all actually survive, as in biological life, to adulthood).

loveandwar

Want More Babies wrote:

I have a Bible verse for her! Matt 18:6 But if you give them a hard time, bullying or taking advantage of their simple trust, you'll soon wish you hadn't. You'd be better off dropped in the middle of the lake with a millstone around your neck. Doom to the world for giving these God-believing children a hard time! Hard times are inevitable, but you don't have to make it worse—and it's doomsday to you if you do.

This x 10000!!!

I can't even go over to her blog. Reading this thread is bad enough.

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capt sugaree wrote: Ooooh, new comment on that last self-pitying blog entry

Do not let revilers harm you. Report them to YUKU and if need be, contact your attorney.

Okay, kids, someone save this thread, please. Also, bring on the Internet attorneys! I just love when they reference the Internet attorneys!

I can't get screenshots here at work.

I do hope this doesn't get censored, though. Commenting on a public web page doesn't violate any law that I'm aware of.

apple1

capt sugaree wrote: Ooooh, new comment on that last self-pitying blog entry

Do not let revilers harm you. Report them to YUKU and if need be, contact your attorney.

Okay, kids, someone save this thread, please. Also, bring on the Internet attorneys! I just love when they reference the Internet attorneys!

I do hope that someone FJ-ite does have all the screen shots and that the screen shots are sent to CPS.

And, yes, I expect Yuku to pull this thread. And I have now decided that I am in favor of moving this board (I was previously unsure about my opinion on moving).

Austin

Generation Cedarchips wrote:

capt sugaree wrote: Ooooh, new comment on that last self-pitying blog entry

Do not let revilers harm you. Report them to YUKU and if need be, contact your attorney.

Okay, kids, someone save this thread, please. Also, bring on the Internet attorneys! I just love when they reference the Internet attorneys!

I can't get screenshots here at work.

I do hope this doesn't get censored, though. Commenting on a public web page doesn't violate any law that I'm aware of.

I agree, but the thread that Yuku yanked last time was FJers commenting on public records.

Take screen shots. Alecto says a single thread can't be backed up, so that's the only thing we can do.

thoughtful

capt sugaree wrote:

Here's a story about the opening of that women's shelter she worked for. http://www.currypilot.com...OF-NEW-BROOKINGS-SHELTER

I noticed this quote from her:

"I believe this building is the reason (her family) came here six years ago."

Why must everything be a calling, a mission, with some This Is The Real Reason I Am Here statement?

I know she has other, um . . . problems . . . than just being fundie, but I think this is another way that the over-zealous are obnoxious. Every decision has to be declared a calling from God.

And she makes it look especially bad. Someone can say they've been called to dress modestly, then to follow a courtship model, then be a helpmeet, then be a parent, etc. Those things layer on top of one another.

But she's made choices and then changed her mind and done something contradictory. If those urges came from God, he sure is inconsistent!

How about just saying that something is what she decided to do next?

Not self- aggrandizing enough, I guess.

fundiefan

thoughtful wrote:

capt sugaree wrote:

Here's a story about the opening of that women's shelter she worked for. http://www.currypilot.com...OF-NEW-BROOKINGS-SHELTER

I noticed this quote from her:

"I believe this building is the reason (her family) came here six years ago."

Why must everything be a calling, a mission, with some This Is The Real Reason I Am Here statement?

I know she has other, um . . . problems . . . than just being fundie, but I think this is another way that the over-zealous are obnoxious. Every decision has to be declared a calling from God.

And she makes it look especially bad. Someone can say they've been called to dress modestly, then to follow a courtship model, then be a helpmeet, then be a parent, etc. Those things layer on top of one another.

But she's made choices and then changed her mind and done something contradictory. If those urges came from God, he sure is inconsistent!

How about just saying that something is what she decided to do next?

Not self- aggrandizing enough, I guess.

Because if she takes responsibility for a decision she is then responsible for its outcome. If it was god's will, then it's his fault, not hers, if things don't work out.

treemom

I just now managed to read this whole thread. This woman is awful. While I feel very badly for the children this adoption was disrupted I am very glad they no longer live with her. I sincerely hope their new families are prepared and not abusive like this woman was.

Eponine

I really can't even begin to comment on this sick woman but just wanted to add: Alecto did succeed in backing up the board last night so presumably most of this thread was included. Some posts were after she did that but I feel better knowing most of this won't just go away if Yuku takes the thread down.

thoughtful

fundiefan wrote:

thoughtful wrote:

capt sugaree wrote:

Here's a story about the opening of that women's shelter she worked for. http://www.currypilot.com...OF-NEW-BROOKINGS-SHELTER

I noticed this quote from her:

"I believe this building is the reason (her family) came here six years ago."

Why must everything be a calling, a mission, with some This Is The Real Reason I Am Here statement?

I know she has other, um . . . problems . . . than just being fundie, but I think this is another way that the over-zealous are obnoxious. Every decision has to be declared a calling from God.

And she makes it look especially bad. Someone can say they've been called to dress modestly, then to follow a courtship model, then be a helpmeet, then be a parent, etc. Those things layer on top of one another.

But she's made choices and then changed her mind and done something contradictory. If those urges came from God, he sure is inconsistent!

How about just saying that something is what she decided to do next?

Not self- aggrandizing enough, I guess.

Because if she takes responsibility for a decision she is then responsible for its outcome. If it was god's will, then it's his fault, not hers, if things don't work out.

Oh, yeah -- that, too. I did think of that, just didn't say it.

I wonder, with a person like this, how much do they really feel/think/believe what they say, how much do they talk themselves into, and how much is flat-out lying. No way to know -- maybe not even for her.

failsafe

I wonder, with a person like this, how much do they really feel/think/believe what they say, how much do they talk themselves into, and how much is flat-out lying. No way to know -- maybe not even for her.

I really hope it is mostly embellishment and flat out lies. I truly truly hope she is playing it up for internet attention. Because a lot of what she writes is downright scary, and I would feel very comforted if I knew much of it was overstated.

formerGothardite

fundiefan wrote:

thoughtful wrote:

capt sugaree wrote:

Here's a story about the opening of that women's shelter she worked for. http://www.currypilot.com...OF-NEW-BROOKINGS-SHELTER

I noticed this quote from her:

"I believe this building is the reason (her family) came here six years ago."

Why must everything be a calling, a mission, with some This Is The Real Reason I Am Here statement?

I know she has other, um . . . problems . . . than just being fundie, but I think this is another way that the over-zealous are obnoxious. Every decision has to be declared a calling from God.

And she makes it look especially bad. Someone can say they've been called to dress modestly, then to follow a courtship model, then be a helpmeet, then be a parent, etc. Those things layer on top of one another.

But she's made choices and then changed her mind and done something contradictory. If those urges came from God, he sure is inconsistent!

How about just saying that something is what she decided to do next?

Not self- aggrandizing enough, I guess.

Because if she takes responsibility for a decision she is then responsible for its outcome. If it was god's will, then it's his fault, not hers, if things don't work out.

Yes, it is like she can't take any sort of personal responsibility and admit that she screwed up big time with adopting these children. She has to place all the blame on them and God, none on herself for making unwise choices. Also, since she is into Gothard now, she should check out the character quality of flexibility. It doesn't just apply to children. She was the one responsible for bringing them here, therefore she should be the one to be flexible in changing her life to assist them in adapting.

Where is the new board because I don't want to be left behind.Frown

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formerGothardite wrote:

Where is the new board because I don't want to be left behind.Frown

FG, sign up here: http://freejinger.yuku.com/topic/7700/New-Mailing-List

garciarodrigezmarzetti

I can't even get to her blog now. It redirects me to Google sign in page. I was just on there too and hit the older posts tab and now I can't get to it.

fundiefan

Good. It's good that she isn't publicly naming and degrading innocent children. If she goes & stays private, better the world.

Kathryn31

After having nightmares about this woman I am still having problems processing that this is real although it obviously is very real. She seems to be making great efforts to cover everything she has written or posted on youtube. I cannot access any of her horrendous blogs as they now seem to be set to private.

Here is another story about the adoption and how they about beat themselves senseless trying to pat their own backs.

http://www.currypilot.com...HAITIS-HOMELESS-CHILDREN It should be called "NO hope for the Haiti Homeless.

Is there anyone here who lives in OR who is familiar with CPS laws? I cannot tell you how seriously I take this question. WE had neighbors who made a hobby out of calling CPS to our house for anything and although it was always unsubstantiated 5 minutes after they walked in, the fear for the kids is quite real. That being said, I honestly fear for the sanity and well-being of her kids and she needs to be barred from EVER adopting in the future.

apple1

Kathryn31 wrote: After having nightmares about this woman I am still having problems processing that this is real although it obviously is very real. She seems to be making great efforts to cover everything she has written or posted on youtube. I cannot access any of her horrendous blogs as they now seem to be set to private.

Here is another story about the adoption and how they about beat themselves senseless trying to pat their own backs.

http://www.currypilot.com...HAITIS-HOMELESS-CHILDREN It should be called "NO hope for the Haiti Homeless.

Is there anyone here who lives in OR who is familiar with CPS laws? I cannot tell you how seriously I take this question. WE had neighbors who made a hobby out of calling CPS to our house for anything and although it was always unsubstantiated 5 minutes after they walked in, the fear for the kids is quite real. That being said, I honestly fear for the sanity and well-being of her kids and she needs to be barred from EVER adopting in the future.

From the above link--

"On the trip to Haiti in May they took approximately 150 pounds of donated items to the village, including children's toothbrushes, medical supplies, clothing, and other supplies donated by Dr. Richard Edmiston, Oak Street Health Care Center, and the Brookings Seventh Day Adventist Church.

Emma's photography, "Haiti, Her Beauty and Her Sorrows," will be displayed at the Seventh Day Adventist Church, 102 Park Ave., in August. Emma will be at the church from 4 to 7 p.m. Aug. 9 and is hoping Second Saturday Art walkers will find their way to the church to meet her, view her photographic art, and talk about Haiti."

Question: Does anyone know if the whole demon-ism, "word", beliefs and actions that she applied to the adoptive kids is typical of 7th Day Adventists? I know little about 7DA, but have never heard anything like this. (We have a few hospitals in our region that are 7DA-associated, and they do things like prohibit shellfish or pork in their food service areas, but I have not heard stuff like this...) Or is it another one of those things that cults hide until they have their hooks into people? I have thought of 7DA as something I disagree with, but not necessarily cultish. Maybe I have been ignorant on this.

ETA: I acknowledge that I know next to nothing about 7DA. And I realize there may be night and day differences there, just as there are night and day differences between the Phelps' W e s t b o r o B a p t i s t Church and numerous legitimate Baptist churches.

robertposteschild

@apple1 - if she is doing ATI, then she is very eclectic. Like I posted before, the resurrecting dead fetuses video is from a Pentecostal church in Redding, CA. I think her beliefs are a crazy quilt patchwork of different sources, for a crazy lady to hide her crazy under.

apple1

robertposteschild wrote: @apple1 - if she is doing ATI, then she is very eclectic. Like I posted before, the resurrecting dead fetuses video is from a Pentecostal church in Redding, CA. I think her beliefs are a crazy quilt patchwork of different sources, for a crazy lady to hide her crazy under.

I agree about the "crazy"-- actually, DANGEROUSLY psychotic. I truly fear for those close to her.

booksnbeats

I also agree that the religion seems to be an outlet for this woman's problems rather than the cause. I know only one person who is a 7th Day Adventist and she happens to be a bit of odd duck, but incredibly sweet--definitely not evangelizing/threatening. I don't know how wacky they really are, though.

AthenaC

I doubt she's 7th Day Adventist.

They're much more "normal."

Also, half of her recipes were for beef and real Adventists are vegetarians.

Further evidence: she didn't make it a point to tell us that Saturday is the Sabbath.

persuaded

I don't know if this is a possibility, but could one of the mods kind of preemptively email YUKU regarding the complaints that will likely be coming their way? Just to say, yes, we know that particular folks are not happy with us, but we believe ourselves to be well within our rights as well as within YUKU guidelines. Please do not delete threads without informing us... or something like that. As it is now, they may just get a complaint and just delete, thinking that it's not that big of a deal anyway. They may delete threads no matter what we do, but it's worth a try to state our case don't you think?

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AthenaC wrote: I doubt she's 7th Day Adventist.

They're much more "normal."

Also, half of her recipes were for beef and real Adventists are vegetarians.

Further evidence: she didn't make it a point to tell us that Saturday is the Sabbath.

At one point she did say something about Sunday being a "work" day because they rest on the Sabbath. Since she bahleeted I can't go back and find it. I agree with you though, that she's probably just free form crazy.

Edited because I riffled.

camdendayton

If Ms. Emma lives in Brookings, OR, as is reported in this article: here (news article), according to Oregon Department of Human Services (http://www.oregon.gov/DHS...ldren/abuse/index.shtml) you would contact her county office at:

Curry 541-247-5437 local

(Main office number)

I haven't read through enough of this s-h-i-t personally but since someone asked here it is...

AthenaC

camdendayton wrote:

If Ms. Emma lives in Brookings, OR, as is reported in this article: here (news article), according to Oregon Department of Human Services (http://www.oregon.gov/DHS...ldren/abuse/index.shtml) you would contact her county office at:

Curry 541-247-5437 local

(Main office number)

I haven't read through enough of this s-h-i-t personally but since someone asked here it is...

I already called.

thoughtful

From her old ATI blog:

Tuesday, December 21, 2010

Wisdom Book 2 -Self DENIAL

This month's character quality is Self-Control, but I had the kids cross out control and right DENIAL.

I know too much about "Self-Control". Self control says you can have just one, which we all know is the start down a slippery slope for many, but I love SELF DENIAL because it says "No, I will not have even JUST one. I will not".

You don't know what your missing until you have tasted and have seen that it felt or tasted "good" but doesn't sin always have some kind of pleasure for the moment?

All or nothing at all, moderation in no things. The Maxwells would be proud of her.

Koala

Lissar wrote:

AthenaC wrote: I doubt she's 7th Day Adventist.

They're much more "normal."

Also, half of her recipes were for beef and real Adventists are vegetarians.

Further evidence: she didn't make it a point to tell us that Saturday is the Sabbath.

Edited because I riffled.

Okay, you all have to stop saying "riffled". I crack up every time I read it, and I about 99% sure that I will slip up one day and say it in a "real life" setting.

MC

Would someone be kind enough to copy her flounce for those of us that missed it?

formerGothardite

thoughtful wrote: From her old ATI blog:

Tuesday, December 21, 2010

Wisdom Book 2 -Self DENIAL

This month's character quality is Self-Control, but I had the kids cross out control and right DENIAL.

I know too much about "Self-Control". Self control says you can have just one, which we all know is the start down a slippery slope for many, but I love SELF DENIAL because it says "No, I will not have even JUST one. I will not".

You don't know what your missing until you have tasted and have seen that it felt or tasted "good" but doesn't sin always have some kind of pleasure for the moment?

All or nothing at all, moderation in no things. The Maxwells would be proud of her.

It says a lot about a person when Gothard isn't even strict enough for you. And yes, I'm sure she and the Maxwells would just love each other.

OnceModestTwiceShy

Looks like she has something in common with the Lazy Organizer. Today she has a new post on atifamily, where she talks about how she likes to randomly throw away her kids' things to "declutter", and expects gratitude for teaching them how to "let go":

"I am always stream lining, looking to put the old out when I bring the new in…. constantly discarding things that weigh our life down. I actually love to throw things away, I feel a sense of relief when I can, let’s say, throw a shampoo bottle away because we had one too many in the shower.

I don’t like clutter and I HATE paper piles with a passion. I tell my kids, “OH I FEEL LIKE THROWING THINGS AWAY, get a box!†They immediately look around the rooms to make sure things are tidy because I can be ruthless when I feel like de-cluttering.

Gratefully, they actually have learned to appreciate these mommy madness moments and they have learned to feel a great relief to allow themselves to let things go that are unnecessary in their lives."

mamalea

I'm newish here, I read a lot but hardly ever post because you guys say it all. I couldn't help delurking here to say WTG Athena. I didn't catch the post on her blog were she was making a five year old who is new to her family, scrub the shower. But reading that here made me wonder if that was grounds to call CPS. Also I'm adopted so I wanted to send hugs and high fives to the wonderful moms by adoption here.

Want More Babies

AthenaC wrote:

camdendayton wrote:

If Ms. Emma lives in Brookings, OR, as is reported in this article: here (news article), according to Oregon Department of Human Services (http://www.oregon.gov/DHS...ldren/abuse/index.shtml) you would contact her county office at:

Curry 541-247-5437 local

(Main office number)

I haven't read through enough of this s-h-i-t personally but since someone asked here it is...

I already called.

Please tell me they were receptive to your call. Thank you so much for calling. I would give you a hug if I could.

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Her ATI blog is still up, if you want to abuse your eyeballs and your brain. In addition to winning the Bitch of the Year award, I think we should also grant her the Worst Writer trophy. Fucking grammar, how does it work?

Why do the dumbest ones always keep their kids out of school?

Koala

OnceModestTwiceShy wrote:

Looks like she has something in common with the Lazy Organizer. Today she has a new post on atifamily, where she talks about how she likes to randomly throw away her kids' things to "declutter", and expects gratitude for teaching them how to "let go":

"I am always stream lining, looking to put the old out when I bring the new in…. constantly discarding things that weigh our life down. I actually love to throw things away, I feel a sense of relief when I can, let’s say, throw a shampoo bottle away because we had one too many in the shower.

I don’t like clutter and I HATE paper piles with a passion. I tell my kids, “OH I FEEL LIKE THROWING THINGS AWAY, get a box!†They immediately look around the rooms to make sure things are tidy because I can be ruthless when I feel like de-cluttering.

Gratefully, they actually have learned to appreciate these mommy madness moments and they have learned to feel a great relief to allow themselves to let things go that are unnecessary in their lives."

From the biggest neat freak in the world:  WHY, oh WHY must these bitches throw their kids things away???  Why can't these moms respect the fact that what has little value to them, might hold great value to their child?  

I guarantee you that her kids have learned to not show a reaction to her "mommy madness moments" because they know that when she gets a reaction out of them she just throws more away.  Emma seems like the type that would be happy to see her children all in tears, and would probably assume that the "clutter" was a personal attack against her in the first place.

AthenaC

Want More Babies wrote:

Please tell me they were receptive to your call. Thank you so much for calling. I would give you a hug if I could.

She took it totally seriously.

I feel like a moron for making her flounce, but it's too late now.

failsafe

My friends mom used to randomly log into her AIM or FB page and delete her friends at random. Her theory was that "If they're really your friends, they won't mind re-friending you." It was nutso and if my mom did that, I'd be really annoyed.

Koala

Lissar wrote:

Her ATI blog is still up, if you want to abuse your eyeballs and your brain. In addition to winning the Bitch of the Year award, I think we should also grant her the Worst Writer trophy. Fucking grammar, how does it work?

Why do the dumbest ones always keep their kids out of school?

Do you have the link?  She has so many I can't keep them straight.

Koala

AthenaC wrote:

She took it totally seriously.

I feel like a moron for making her flounce, but it's too late now.

you did the right thing.

oscar

Here's her wacky diet blog:

phase4life.blogspot.com/

and here's the ati one:

atifamily.com/

thoughtful

formerGothardite wrote:

It says a lot about a person when Gothard isn't even strict enough for you. And yes, I'm sure she and the Maxwells would just love each other.

I just noticed that she made them "right" denial, not write it.

And "you don't know what your missing."

And seeing that something felt or tasted good.

A fine candidate for homeschooling, this one.

Bekah

I AM The Sin In The Camp

apple1 wrote:

OK, I haven't read 80% of this thread, but-

This mother of now-adult children, and current grandmother, says-- you are nuts.  What you are talking about it "training" the mother.  Infants cannot be potty trained.  Period.

And only and idiot passes her/himself off as an expert on something she/he has not done.  (But we see that all the time on FJ...)

I don't know exactly what methods Quinoa and NTK's friend used, but I used a method involving cues that was highly effective with my DD. It wasn't 100%, but pretty darn close, and it's kind of the opposite of training the mother. It's the exact same method used by indigenous cultures. It all hinges around the fact that there is an inherent, universal instinct for a newborn to pee when they hear a "Psssssss" sound. This is how mothers in many parts of the world manage to get by without diapers, every hour or so they take the baby out of the sling or whatever and 'cue' it with a 'psssss' sound to pee. Baby pees, and mom pops him back in the sling and goes about her day. It worked for us. My DD has known since she was a newborn what a potty is for and what you do in it. when she was about 6 months old I didn't even have to cue anymore, just popped her over the potty and she went. It was a really neat party trick 

Anyway, that's just my story, and it made me realize babies are a whole lot smarter than most people think

Lissar

Koala wrote:

Do you have the link?  She has so many I can't keep them straight.

atifamily.com/ 

Sola

In the comments section at http://atifamily.com/?p=984#comment-746

From the 'infamous' Mrs. B (not our Mrs B or Pagan Soccer Mom I hasten to add)

"Mrs.B says:

June 10, 2011 at 3:37 pm

I’m sorry to post in comments, I can’t find a contact tab.

Have your husband contact the police, your lawyer and YUKU.

http://freejinger.yuku.com/topic/7838/I-just-dropped-a-dime

These people despise and fear Conservative Christians and they want to harm your family! I am genuinely alarmed."

Koala

Lissar wrote:

atifamily.com/ 

Thanks!

TerrieES

Mrs B is genuinely alarmed? Well, now we're even. I mean, we want to make sure J and L are in safe homes that can provide properly for them. If that makes us terrible people, I'm okay with that.

Robobotkin

Sola wrote:

In the comments section at [url}http://atifamily.com/?p=984#comment-746

From the 'infamous' Mrs. B (not our Mrs B or Pagan Soccer Mom I hasten to add)

Oh sweet, effing Jesus.  Really?  She's concerned for her family?  Where the hell was she when this woman was giving these children away????  Where was she when she was making a newly adopted child scrub her showers?  Where was she when she left her out in the cold???  Get friggin real lady.  Call the police.  PLEASE.  Draw attention to yourselves.  You may not realize how crazy you sound, but everyone else DOES.  In a big way.

Want More Babies

Yes, please call the police!!

That way your pansy ass husband can't save you from the psych ward which is where you need to be! There are medications out there to help you become more "normal". You are truly a sick person. You need help.

What was she claiming her husband did while in the military? I am so freaking sick and tired of people making up grand stories of what they did in the service.

And yes, her husband is a pansy to allow her to treat those children in such a way. He is no man, that is for sure!

pearl

I would say that it's interesting that Emma would adopt children from Haiti without researching about their culture, but, based on the way she writes (she's ignorant) and the fact that she couldn't be bothered to understand the negative side of adoption, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Haitian children are taught that it is respectful to not look an adult in the eye. I was taught this in college because we have a large Haitian population in my state and it is important to understand this. In America, if a child doesn't look adults in the eye when we are talking to them it looks like they are hiding something or are being disrespectful. In Haiti looking an adult in the eye is disrespectful. So, if her children weren't looking her in the eye, then that is the reason.

Secondly, there is something called the silent period that people go through when they are stranded in a new country with a new language. People won't speak during this period and are just processing everything around them. In fact, if you meet people who are new to this country, they'll usually just smile and nod and say yes because it's the easiest way for them to get out of having to try and talk in a language they don't understand. These children probably figured smiling and saying 'sorry' was the way to get pass this weird conversation - of which they might know only 5-10 words.

Austin

Sola wrote:

In the comments section at http://atifamily.com/?p=984#comment-746

From the 'infamous' Mrs. B (not our Mrs B or Pagan Soccer Mom I hasten to add)

ROFLMAO! 

Have your husband contact the police, your lawyer and YUKU  ???????  Because the wimmins shouldn't contact teh government?  

Oh, Mrs. B.  You're funny.  I shouldn't laugh at someone who is obviously crazy, but in your case, I just can't help it.

fundiefan

Does the infamous Mrs. B work for the Conservative Christian Haters Watch branch of the Bradrick security/protection agency?

She sure does get around, warning all these poor persecuted Christians. I wonder if they are paying for the watchdog services or if she is doing it as a charitable act?

aeryn406

(Note for clarity: Insert sarcasm here)

But, Pearl, dear ... Why would Emma have to learn anything about the poor, backward culture that her little foundlings came from? They should be sooooo grateful to be here in the good ol' US of A that they should immediately hop-to and understand how to participate in the English-speaking, conservative christian (lower case used on purpose), patriarchal, visionary household that they've just been hired by .... I mean, adopted into.

I really hope the local media and CPS can find those kids and make sure they're doing OK. What a horrific experience they went through - and that was just a follow-up to previous terrible things!

aeryn406

@ fundiefan : A blog-watching division of Bradrick Security ... That's a great idea! The perfect job for all those keepers-at-home. They can be more of a help-meet to their brave & manly menz who are part of Petey's Platoon! * SAHDs over age 17 can help also - with proper supervision and blog screening from their father.

oscar

fundiefan wrote:

Does the infamous Mrs. B work for the Conservative Christian Haters Watch branch of the Bradrick security/protection agency?

Ha! That's fantastic!

Austin

Eponine wrote:

I really can't even begin to comment on this sick woman but just wanted to add: Alecto did succeed in backing up the board last night so presumably most of this thread was included. Some posts were after she did that but I feel better knowing most of this won't just go away if Yuku takes the thread down.

Looks like we have everything that was posted through last night backed up independent of Yuku.  The rest should be caught in the next back-up - maybe that scheduled date could be moved up?????

Kathryn31

fundiefan wrote:

Does the infamous Mrs. B work for the Conservative Christian Haters Watch branch of the Bradrick security/protection agency?

She sure does get around, warning all these poor persecuted Christians. I wonder if they are paying for the watchdog services or if she is doing it as a charitable act?

No kidding!  She must spend her life trolling (haha) the internet looking for teh ebil purse-ee-cuters. 

Athena--Did you give them a link to her crazy blog(s)?  I could totally hug you for standing up for those poor kids. 

AthenaC

Kathryn31 wrote:

No kidding!  She must spend her life trolling (haha) the internet looking for teh ebil purse-ee-cuters. 

Athena--Did you give them a link to her crazy blog(s)?  I could totally hug you for standing up for those poor kids. 

I gave them a link, but she yanked her blog after a few hours, so I don't know how much they got.

cassandra

Sola wrote:

In the comments section at http://atifamily.com/?p=984#comment-746

From the 'infamous' Mrs. B (not our Mrs B or Pagan Soccer Mom I hasten to add)

You know what? If she were truly a good parent who treated her bio and adopted children well, who adopted and discarded these children legallgy she shouldn't be worried. Yes, CPS will be a HASTLE! But, if she did nothing wrong, as she claims, then it really shouldn't be a problem for them.

but I sincerely doubt that was the case. I hope you get what you deserve Emma.

GolightlyGrrl

Lissar wrote:

Her ATI blog is still up, if you want to abuse your eyeballs and your brain. In addition to winning the Bitch of the Year award, I think we should also grant her the Worst Writer trophy. Fucking grammar, how does it work?

Why do the dumbest ones always keep their kids out of school?

And the scary thing is Emma's horrible writing is the least foul (or fowl) thing about her.

I'm so glad CPS has been notified. I can't even imagine what it is like to be raised by a psychopath like Emma. Persuaded, I know you tried to talk some sense into her, and you definitely did it with more restraint than I would, but I'm afraid it will not be heeded. Psychopaths don't accept responsibility for their actions.

You know, if a Law and Order did a show with this type of storyline, I'd think the writers were smoking some heavy doobage. So scary this story is true.  

cassandra

GolightlyGrrl wrote:

And the scary thing is Emma's horrible writing is the least foul (or fowl) thing about her.

I'm so glad CPS has been notified. I can't even imagine what it is like to be raised by a psychopath like Emma. Persuaded, I know you tried to talk some sense into her, and you definitely did it with more restraint than I would, but I'm afraid it will not be heeded. Psychopaths don't accept responsibility for their actions.

You know, if a Law and Order did a show with this type of storyline, I'd think the writers were smoking some heavy doobage. So scary this story is true.  

I LOVE Law and Order SVU (oh hai, Christopher Meloni)and this would (sadly) fit right in with the rest of the series.

holly

I always miss the fun...

Sola

She's removed Mrs. B's comment.

"admin says:

June 10, 2011 at 7:11 pm

Mrs B thanks for your post. I got it

Reply"

aeryn406

Oooh! If L & O picks up the storyline, FJ-ites should be invited to the set! I'd love to meet Richard Belzer! (I know - it's a weird crush but he's an animal lover and an unsolved-mysteries/sci-fi nut. I love me some conspiracy theories! Did you know if you unscramble the words Reveries Elfin Jig, you get "Free Jinger is evil."? Too weird, huh? )

bea

I'm with you on Belzer.  And I wouldn't mind a sit-down with Ice-T, either.  He always seemed like an interesting guy.

As I keep saying about the flouncers, it's amazing that these bloggers get upset when there's public comment on their public blog.  Do they really think they're speaking into a vacuum?  If you don't privatize or password-protect your blog, it's public.  All your photos, all your writing, all your stupid-ass comments about religion, right out there in the open for any stranger to see.  How stupid do you have to be to think that people who disagree with almost everything you say won't comment on your statements?

Koala

aeryn406 wrote:

Oooh! If L & O picks up the storyline, FJ-ites should be invited to the set! I'd love to meet Richard Belzer! (I know - it's a weird crush but he's an animal lover and an unsolved-mysteries/sci-fi nut. I love me some conspiracy theories! Did you know if you unscramble the words Reveries Elfin Jig, you get "Free Jinger is evil."? Too weird, huh? )

They had one....

People were adopting children and using them as servants.  Made my cry...I have a really hard time seeing things like that.  

Koala

bea wrote:

 Ice-T, either.  He always seemed like an interesting guy.

I love him on that show!

failsafe

They had one....

People were adopting children and using them as servants. Made my cry...I have a really hard time seeing things like that.

They also had an RAD episode with foster kids (maybe one was an international adoption? Can't remember). It talked about rebirthing therapy.

Koala

failsafe wrote:

They had one....

People were adopting children and using them as servants. Made my cry...I have a really hard time seeing things like that.

They also had an RAD episode with foster kids (maybe one was an international adoption? Can't remember). It talked about rebirthing therapy.

Oh god, I remember that one.

LynnKaboom

In case she ever sees this-

Emma, fuck you. I'm a young adult with paranoid personality disorder. I wasn't adopted, and was raised by my biological parents, but I know it was difficult for them. How many parents want to see their teenager terrified that the government is going to come and kidnap her, or that the insurance company is going to kill her father? What kind of parent would be grateful to see their child incredibly suspicious of their younger sibling because they think that same younger sibling is reporting everything they see that happens to the government? No parent wants to see their child refuse to go to high school because they think they're being watched and that their classmates want to kill them. My parents didn't. But they didn't push me off to some random person because they couldn't deal with me.

Now, I wasn't adopted. I am my parents' mentally ill biological child. But even if I was adopted, it wouldn't have been OK to shunt me off because I was crazy. No, I went in for psychiatric help and therapy, and you know what? I still have a personality disorder, but it's under control. I no longer think the world is out to get me (well, at least most of the time I don't). I feel so sorry for your poor children- and they were your children. Once you signed those papers, they were your kids. Their mother didn't give a flying fuck about them, not even enough to acknowledge that they had come from a horrific situation outside of the USA, and would need to adjust to it. No, the reason you adopted these kids was so you could lord it over everyone else how awesome you were. No. That's not how this works, and I hope you choke on your own bitter, bile-filled words.

Justus and Lovelie, there's hope for you guys. It can get better. Hopefully your new parents will let you get the help you need. Just because you have mental health issues (if you do indeed have mental health issues, Emma's description just sounded more like kids being kids) doesn't mean you can't live a productive life. I hope that you will be able to thrive in your new environment, and know that you're not alone in this world, and that not everyone will treat you poorly because of mental health issues (real or perceived). I want to give you both big hugs and buy you some snacks. I'm sure that both of you will be able to become productive, successful adults, even moreso now that you're out of that psychopath's clutches.

<3 to Justus and Lovelie, and a hearty "Eat a bag of dicks" to Emma,

LynnKaboom

anniebgood.gumborefugees

Chris is leaving L&O-SVU and Marissa is taking a lesser role. He couldn't come to a contract agreement. I don't know if I'll watch the new episodes, but God knows USA plays them all the time.

I'd like to see Bobby Goren interview Emma, that would be a scene worth keeping.....Bending over and looking at her sideways. Yessssss. One could only dream can't we?

nailhead

Two bags of dicks!

GolightlyGrrl

anniebgood wrote:

Chris is leaving L&O-SVU and Marissa is taking a lesser role. He couldn't come to a contract agreement. I don't know if I'll watch the new episodes, but God knows USA plays them all the time.

I'd like to see Bobby Goren interview Emma, that would be a scene worth keeping.....Bending over and looking at her sideways. Yessssss. One could only dream can't we?

Bobby Goren interviewing Emma? I would totally orgasm over that! And you know Eames would bring the snark.

  

GolightlyGrrl

nailhead wrote:

Two bags of dicks!

Judging from a certain picture Emma used in one of her modesty posts. She looks like she's had plenty of dicks in her mouth.

http://freejinger.yuku.com/topic/7806/Emma-at-Strong-Quiver?page=30

Latraviata

anniebgood wrote:

Chris is leaving L&O-SVU and Marissa is taking a lesser role. He couldn't come to a contract agreement. I don't know if I'll watch the new episodes, but God knows USA plays them all the time.

I'd like to see Bobby Goren interview Emma, that would be a scene worth keeping.....Bending over and looking at her sideways. Yessssss. One could only dream can't we?

Yes that would be a wonderful idea, I love Bobby Goren!

Fortunately, Law and Order is all over the Dutch telly as well.

I used to be very fond of the late Jerry Orbach.

booksnbeats

Did you guys catch the post about how she and her husband didn't want kids, then he changed his mind after marriage and she was super resentful? And then one day she randomly saw the pile o' fancy strollers/babies at church and she was suddenly like "okay, children are great and I want some"? Interesting, and definitely not surprising.

GolightlyGrrl

booksnbeats wrote:

Did you guys catch the post about how she and her husband didn't want kids, then he changed his mind after marriage and she was super resentful? And then one day she randomly saw the pile o' fancy strollers/babies at church and she was suddenly like "okay, children are great and I want some"? Interesting, and definitely not surprising.

So most people put more thought into what pizza toppings they want than Emma puts into having children. Mmm, interesting.

cassandra

booksnbeats wrote:

Did you guys catch the post about how she and her husband didn't want kids, then he changed his mind after marriage and she was super resentful? And then one day she randomly saw the pile o' fancy strollers/babies at church and she was suddenly like "okay, children are great and I want some"? Interesting, and definitely not surprising.

That's pretty much one of my biggest fears, that I'll get into a serious relationship with someone who says the don't want kids, and then they change their mind and try and guilt me into it. Perhaps Emma should have listened to her gut and not her husband.

booksnbeats

I agree that she should have recognized she's just not meant to be a mother. She wouldn't be nearly so crazy if she had just been able to live for herself and her husband. Still, most reluctant parents seem to do an okay or even a great job and not be complete psychopaths. Unlike Emma.

Want More Babies

Maybe Emma can give the rest of her children away too, and then live the life she regrets not having. Birth control should be her best friend.

Wonder what all the ATI families thought of her at Big Sandy.

Kathryn31

If FJ ever comes across someone crazier than this we all need to build bomb shelters immediately because hell froze over and the world IS ending. I am still in utter and complete shock/horror over this woman. I truly hope CPS gets to the bottom of what is going on in the house of spackled makeup horrors.

JMarie

I seemed to have missed the craziness that is Emma, and now she's gone. Why are people so eager to share the tiniest details of their lives on a blog, then yank said blog when criticism emerges? So she's upset that she adopted Creole-speaking Catholic children from a tropical island and brought them into her Northern climate English-speaking fundie home, and they didn't assimilate immediately? Oh, the struggles she's endured! And there was something about her showing a miscarried fetus to her children? Not only did Karen (Mrs. Rick) Santorum do the same thing, she wrote a book about it. Think about that every time you read about or see Rick on the '12 campaign trail.

http://freejinger.yuku.com/topic/7806/Emma-at-Strong-Quiver?page=40&dr_log=-1&linkout=http%3A//www.amazon.com/Letters-Gabriel-Karen-Garver-Santorum/dp/1568145284/ref%3Dcm_cr_pr_product_top

booksnbeats

I'm no fan of Santorum, but their child was stillborn, I believe...I think seeing a child in that circumstance can be healing for the family. This was an eight-week miscarriage, a palm-sized, um, bloody, BLOB O FETUS AAHHHHHHHH I CAN'T STOP SEEING IT

demgirl

JMarie wrote:

I seemed to have missed the craziness that is Emma, and now she's gone. Why are people so eager to share the tiniest details of their lives on a blog, then yank said blog when criticism emerges? So she's upset that she adopted Creole-speaking Catholic children from a tropical island and brought them into her Northern climate English-speaking fundie home, and they didn't assimilate immediately? Oh, the struggles she's endured! And there was something about her showing a miscarried fetus to her children? Not only did Karen (Mrs. Rick) Santorum do the same thing, she wrote a book about it. Think about that every time you read about or see Rick on the '12 campaign trail.

http://freejinger.yuku.com/topic/7806/Emma-at-Strong-Quiver?page=40&dr_log=-1&linkout=http%3A//www.amazon.com/Letters-Gabriel-Karen-Garver-Santorum/dp/1568145284/ref%3Dcm_cr_pr_product_top

Should we invite this lady over here to join us?

http://www.amazon.com/Letters-Gabriel-Karen-Garver-Santorum/product-reviews/1568145284/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R2GI6Z322AAVK7

IDK, I'd think seeing a 20 week old fetus could be traumatizing for young children.

Edited not for riffles, but to beg all FJers not to vote for this man. I lived with him as Senator for much of my life and he's truly awful.

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treemom

A 20 week fetus looks like a very tiny baby. Not a blob of tissue.

I don't like santorum either, but I don't think you can compare the two at all.

AthenaC

Two things SUPER bug me about the miscarriage:

She took a picture and posted it on her blog! And told us all about how she picked out a name for it and showed it to her kids!

She seems to treat this 8-week old fetus as one of her children and a member of the family but the two LIVING, BREATHING kids she had? They're the demon seed.

Kathryn31

Here is the pic of the miscarriage. Be warned that this is graphic. I love how she stated she used "special lighting" as if that turns it into something that is not awful. To have had her children look at this and then pray over it is disgusting and I imagine this scarred those kids for life.

http://4.bp.blogspotdotcom/_dOR4H9kYbI8/SgtU7dyF3VI/AAAAAAAABMo/OFRr3mFFgDs/s1600-h/Baby+McMillan+may+13+09.jpg

oscar

Kathryn31 wrote:

Here is the pic of the miscarriage. Be warned that this is graphic. I love how she stated she used "special lighting" as if that turns it into something that is not awful. To have had her children look at this and then pray over it is disgusting and I imagine this scarred those kids for life.

http://4.bp.blogspotdotcom/_dOR4H9kYbI8/SgtU7dyF3VI/AAAAAAAABMo/OFRr3mFFgDs/s1600-h/Baby+McMillan+may+13+09.jpg

For several weeks prior to this, she convinced her children that, if they had faith the size of a mustard seed, then God would bring the dead fetus back to life. She had them pray for a miracle over her stomach and asked them if they had prophetic dreams about it. Can you imagine what those poor kids must have been thinking and feeling when she showed them that?! I sincerely hope that none of her children believes that if they had prayed harder and had more faith, the fetus would have lived. That woman is a total fruitcake nutjob.

Oddeverything.shocklinesforum

Kathryn31 wrote:

Here is the pic of the miscarriage. Be warned that this is graphic. I love how she stated she used "special lighting" as if that turns it into something that is not awful. To have had her children look at this and then pray over it is disgusting and I imagine this scarred those kids for life.

http://4.bp.blogspotdotcom/_dOR4H9kYbI8/SgtU7dyF3VI/AAAAAAAABMo/OFRr3mFFgDs/s1600-h/Baby+McMillan+may+13+09.jpg

This woman is straight up mentally ill.

I also cannot help but note that the special lighting made it look like she was holding a handful of especially blessed fig preserves.

  

Kathryn31

So basically it is again someone else's fault. Her kids didn't pray hard enough, no faith, their fault that the palm-size horror did not leap up out of the palm. *shudder*

deelaem

oscar wrote:

For several weeks prior to this, she convinced her children that, if they had faith the size of a mustard seed, then God would bring the dead fetus back to life. She had them pray for a miracle over her stomach and asked them if they had prophetic dreams about it. Can you imagine what those poor kids must have been thinking and feeling when she showed them that?! I sincerely hope that none of her children believes that if they had prayed harder and had more faith, the fetus would have lived. That woman is a total fruitcake nutjob.

Ok, so far I've just been reading and being horrified by this Emma woman. I haven't posted because everyone seems to be covering all the right points. But when I read this, it sent my horror over the edge. I'm absolutely stunned that she would force little children to pray over a dead fetus, tell them if they had the faith they could bring it back to life, then show them the dead fetus. That is pure sadism. Those children will never forget that, and in that atmosphere, they will never get over it. This is the sort of sick behavior that you hear about the parents of serial killers doing to them. It's also the sort of thing that if that child were young enough, could cause it to split psychologically. I know I sound dramatic, but I'm serious. I've read  case histories for many years in my job in mental health, and have seen many permanently damaged people who were exposed to sick things like this as a child. Please, plead, Oregon CPS, do SOMETHING!

Sola

GolightlyGrrl wrote:

So most people put more thought into what pizza toppings they want than Emma puts into having children. Mmm, interesting.

I've thought since I read her blog yesterday that she sees kids as accessories, the way some people see handbags.  The adopted kids were just the new special 'look at me' handbag which soon became too much trouble.

The thing is, I don't think even Emma herself realises this.  The entire thing from the way she blogs, to the way she is with ALL her kids (and I am not including miscarried foetuses in this) all screams, 'look at me!', even the ATI stuff.

Some people are like that; some of them buy the latest designer fashions and then throw them out 3 weeks later, some of them buy the little 'handbag dogs' and carry them around in a Gucci bag until the dog craps in the bag and then they take them to the animal shelter and some of them get adopted 3rd world kids.  We know how that ended.

ChunkyBarbie

MuseMama

treemom wrote:

A 20 week fetus looks like a very tiny baby. Not a blob of tissue.

I don't like santorum either, but I don't think you can compare the two at all.

Totally agree.

This is a link to a picture of my daughter who was born at 22 weeks 3 days: http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/AnneBasso/SarahBunny-1.jpg

She was quite obviously a very small baby.  Perfectly formed on the outside apart from a bump on the top of her head (which is covered by a hat).  Her outer formation belied the many things that had gone wrong for her on the inside.  My photos of her are very precious to me.  She was not born alive, and I had only those few hours with her body.  Only those pictures we took right then, to make up for a lifetime of missed memories.

There is a huge difference between a first trimester loss and a later loss.  That said, grief is grief and I don't wish loss on anyone.  Not even this woman, though my opinion of her as a mother is piss poor.  

Latraviata

ChunkyBarbie wrote:

I have had two miscarriages and can't even wrap my brain around... I just can't think about it. That woman is seriously fucking disturbed. The picture, video and resurrection prayers are clearly scary evidence she is bat.shit.crazy and needs professional help.

The mother of  Sybil.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075296/

ChunkyBarbie

That movie gave me nightmares. Heart breaking.

thatonechick

"Share a funny story relating to being a mom of many.

I guess every big family has a similar story, at least that is what I tell myself to keep myself from feeling to ashamed. Ha..ha..ha.. J

A couple of months ago we all rushed out of the truck into the church because we were running a few minutes late. We stopped in the foyer to briefly talk to some people while my children dispersed to their classrooms.  A few minutes into the conversation I said, “Where is the baby?†Our baby was 2 at the time.    I ran downstairs to his classroom… Nope, not there! I ran into each of my children’s rooms… Nope not there! Panic set in and now I was on the verge of hysteria and started enlisting people to help me find him.  Just as EVERYONE was about to start getting really worried I ran upstairs to catch a glimpse of my husband walking in the entrance with my tearful son in his arms.  And then all of the sudden it hit me! I said, “Didn’t you ever take him out of the car?Oops… bad, bad daddy that was his job. At least that’s what I kept telling my son that day. All he could respond was, “But you weft me in the truck and I was cwying… “(Baby pronunciation J)"

http://atifamily.com/?page_id=2

Why, for the love of all things Nutella, were these people allowed to adopt?

kb

OK, I don't think plopping a bloody blob of tissue with a very little fetus in it and telling your kids to pray over it so their little sibling won't stay dead forever is appropriate. Or very nice. Or good for the psyche.

But I don't think that showing a fetus to kids would be always bad. Maybe do a little prep work first, like telling them what to expect it to look like. Try to separate it from all the blood, because blood is pretty much always a sign that someone was hurt. It also might be humane to ask your kids if they wanted to see it first. And maybe have an age cutoff too, because if you don't even really know where babies come from it would all be impossible to understand. I could just be a complete weirdo, but sometimes people like to rationalize as a way of coping with tragedy, so I could see making it a study of human development. It would be nicer for your kids though, to not force it on them.  ETA: especially bloodily.

thatonechick

"What experiences or knowledge has helped you on your journey?

One important lesson I learned about trusting God is that He does truly care for children. He cares so much for them that He gives us parents the monumental task of protecting them the best of our ability. I understand some people fail miserably but that was never His plan or intention. Sin is the problem not God.  I take the mandate seriously and I understand fully that children are hurt by people who parents trust. Knowing that I do not leave my children to babysat with just anyone and I only have one family I trust. Our  number one rule is a man is never to be present if we do leave our children somewhere, not even a teenager boy or a preadolescent one.  Yes, girls hurt too, but boys and men do so more often. I worked as a Director for a Women’s and Children’ Shelter for 2.5 years. Everyone of those women and children were hurt by someone their parents trusted or some cases by their own parents.  As you can see I’m passionate about protecting children."

http://atifamily.com/?page_id=2

Ya don't say. Huh. 

pebbles

My heart breaks for those poor kids, and I hope their new adoptive family has a realistic view of the immense difficulty of the adoption process so they don't throw them on the scrap heap too when a traumatised 5 year old interrupts fruit 'n' prayers time for something insignificant like his emotions. "I don't understand, I fed it, I watered it... why isn't it working?!'

Honestly didn't think I could read a blog more despicable than some of the usual dregs of society here but this woman wins by a country mile. She is excrement made flesh.

thoughtful

She is very repetitive, so it is hard to tell, but I don't know if this page has been discussed yet. This is from a visit, before they were adopted:

webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:IaaxiRRnaiwJ:haitiadoptions.blogspot.com/2009_01_01_archive.html+justus+%22lovelie%22&cd=19&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

Where were God's promises? Where wer my hand picked children? It was as if someone had replaced my angels with 2 little heathens, they were: disobedient, destructive, mischievious, disrespectful and not too mention ungrateful at times. What?! These were not the kids I signed up for! Writing on bedroom sheets and on dressers, biting a whole in a friends sarong for the fun of it, throwing their food on the ground in displeasure and rebellion, sticking their tongue at me, laughing in my face when I tried to administer training, turning off the lights on me everytime I went to the bathroom just to name a few things...

This was all bad, but I could handle these little shinanegans and I figured they just needed some extrememe structure. The heart break came when another adoptive mother came up to me and in her best way said, " Maybe it would be a good idea if you learned Creole Curse Words!" I was like, "huh?" She said, "After we ate lunch together earlier my kids were listening to your kids talk while they were playing and they hear them cussing and freely using the "F" word! As a matter of fact it wasn't the little boy, but they little girl using it and not only that but they called me kids some animal names like dog and monkey or something like that."

I have to say that was the straw that broke the camels back! I started to SOB uncontrolably. I cried and said, "my kids are pure and so sweet and I'm supposed to bring this into my house? Isn't that sabatoge?" We don't even use words like shut-up in our house because it's too mean.

All of the sudden I realized the shear evil in the situation and I became frightened, very frightened and confused. Shinanegans I could deal with, but this was TOO much, and much too severe.

I'm talking about a all out battle for their souls! At around that moment they started to act up and a friend that was sitting with us in pure disgust, slammed the table with her hands at the kids and yelled in a VERY firm voice, NO!, to the kids so they would stop acting up. They knew something was up.

The thought of them not receiving the free gift of salvation and change meant I'd be knowingly be bringing this potentially demonic influence not only into my home, but to live with my children in their rooms!

Wow, this is much more than any mom could bare let alone one that is as protective as I am. The ramifications were far much greater than I could stand for the moment. Agony, agony. Can anyone understand the agony I went through at that moment? I felt like screaming, "OK can you please show me the emergency exit and give me a parachute so I can escape and jump to save my whole family from sure despair!!!!

Yes, every word, ever dream, every promise momentarily vanished.... poof gone! When I shared the news with Clinton his response on the chat were shockingly the same, I'm talking verbatim down to each word and description. We were so far away and yet for that time one in thought and response...."OUT! and NO!" was all we could say for the moment. Yet I had a friend Lynette tryng to bring turth and God's promises into the situation and remind me of the bigger picture and the Heavenly call. She prayed over me and it helped. I looked at the chat and I said, "Look it's like Clinton heard from God and has had an epiphany!" He said, "OK so this isn't what I was expecting... It's still the same journey, but now we have a different mission. Before our mission was to rescue starving Haitian kids, but now it's to save two kids from the pathway to Hell, so their souls can be saved!"

Wow! Now it begins... The joureny on the road less traveled, the harder road, the road that leads to Jesus' heart. This road seems unbearable like a road to sure death, but this road has a way that it can be traveled. It can be traveled with the help of the Holy Spirit and Christ. Yes, it does lead to a death of the flesh, but on it your Spirit gains new life. This road is one of purpose, one with great highs and lows.

Emma do you still want to go?

Lord, I want to please you. I want to know you in an even greater way, but this road Lord is one I can't go down without my husband. He is my covering. He is my everything on this earth. Where he goes, I go. Be with him and reveal to him your plan for our family Lord. I really know you already have... and heal him from his chronic illness so that he can be strong for this journey. Nevertheless in everything...Your will be done, in your perfect timing. Be with Lovelie and Justus and their care givers and do a miraculous thing for your glory. Give them contrite hearts, hearts full of Godly conviction that leads to Godly actions I pray for their salvation. Amen

When their Nanny came to pick them up in the morning I told her all that happened and she was very upset and questioned the kids and they admitted to what they had done. She told me not to give up on them and that she would work on training them this next year and hold them accountable for their actions. When they dropped me off at the airport I started to walk away when I realized I didn't say by to them, so I ran back to the truck and opened the door and found Justus crying his eyes out with boogers and the whole nine yards.... I said, "why is he crying?" The nanny said, I told him because of his bad behavior you might not take them.... I told her tell them I forgive them, but THEY must change their ways. And, then I kissed them both and left.

When I left I put the adoption in God's hands

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twin2

^^^^^^This is how she felt before the adoption and they "agency" still let them adopt.  They are as culpable as she for this mess.  Just when I think it is not possible to despise this women anymore.

MuseMama

kb wrote:

OK, I don't think plopping a bloody blob of tissue with a very little fetus in it and telling your kids to pray over it so their little sibling won't stay dead forever is appropriate. Or very nice. Or good for the psyche.

But I don't think that showing a fetus to kids would be always bad. Maybe do a little prep work first, like telling them what to expect it to look like. Try to separate it from all the blood, because blood is pretty much always a sign that someone was hurt. It also might be humane to ask your kids if they wanted to see it first. And maybe have an age cutoff too, because if you don't even really know where babies come from it would all be impossible to understand. I could just be a complete weirdo, but sometimes people like to rationalize as a way of coping with tragedy, so I could see making it a study of human development. It would be nicer for your kids though, to not force it on them.  ETA: especially bloodily.

kb, my oldest was about 7 when we lost our baby girl.  I didn't even force it on him.  I didn't know how he'd feel about a baby sister who was dead.  It turns out he was upset that he hadn't seen her.  He felt left out.  He wanted to say goodbye to her.  The funeral home let me bring him in to see her.  She looked just the same as she had in the hospital except for her color was less pink and she was cleaner.  He didn't want to hold her, but did say goodbye.  I can't imagine forcing my children to look at a miscarriage.  

As for her pre-adoption visit: to know that they were that afraid of losing their home before they'd even gotten it, it makes her betrayal and abandonment of them so much worse.  They did what truamatized kids do.  They tested their boundaries to see if this was truly the safe home they hoped for.  And they found it wasn't.  I don't have a vile enough word for her. 

Hane.engrishmessageb...

The part I find most telling is her annoyance over the kids' interrupting her special, early-morning me prayer time. Call me a wacky chick, but I think the Almighty might give you a pass if you decided to use the time to tend to your children instead.

ChunkyBarbie

OMG!!! not the F word!! Well, that just justifies everything doesn't it? This was before the adoption? The bitch just wanted to save face at the expense of these two babies. Why oh why, did her friend and husband talk her into going through with this. And where the Hell was the adoption agency or social workers??!?!

Edited for typos ETA. I love how people act like a word is so evil, when their own actions are so much worse than that word can ever be. Bad sentence structure on my part, Jesus says it is okay when I do it.

thoughtful

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A Funny Story

I guess every big family has a similar story, at least that is what I tell myself to keep myself from feeling to ashamed. Ha..ha..ha..

A couple of months ago we all rushed out of the truck into the church because we were running a few minutes late. We stopped in the foyer to briefly talk to some people while my children dispersed to their classrooms. A few minutes into the conversation I said, “Where is the baby?†Our baby was 2 at the time. I ran downstairs to his classroom… Nope, not there! I ran into each of my children’s rooms… Nope not there! Panic set in and now I was on the verge of hysteria and started enlisting people to help me find him. Just as EVERYONE was about to start getting really worried I ran upstairs to catch a glimpse of my husband walking in the entrance with my tearful son in his arms. And then all of the sudden it hit me! I said, “Didn’t you ever take him out of the car?†Oops… bad, bad daddy that was his job. At least that’s what I kept telling my son that day. All he could respond was, “But you weft me in the truck and I was cwying… “(Baby pronunciation )

Austin

She both hated and feared these children before she ever brought them into her home.  She is a sociopath who views others as cardboard cutouts or mere accessories and when they lose their allure or can't do anything for her any longer, she discards them, just as you or I would discard a broken appliance.  She is beyond mentally ill.  She is evil.

I feel terrible that her other children remain with her and that's what is so disturbing that I can't just forget about it.

Austin

thoughtful wrote:

From here:

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A Funny Story

I guess every big family has a similar story, at least that is what I tell myself to keep myself from feeling to ashamed. Ha..ha..ha..

A couple of months ago we all rushed out of the truck into the church because we were running a few minutes late. We stopped in the foyer to briefly talk to some people while my children dispersed to their classrooms. A few minutes into the conversation I said, “Where is the baby?†Our baby was 2 at the time. I ran downstairs to his classroom… Nope, not there! I ran into each of my children’s rooms… Nope not there! Panic set in and now I was on the verge of hysteria and started enlisting people to help me find him. Just as EVERYONE was about to start getting really worried I ran upstairs to catch a glimpse of my husband walking in the entrance with my tearful son in his arms. And then all of the sudden it hit me! I said, “Didn’t you ever take him out of the car?†Oops… bad, bad daddy that was his job. At least that’s what I kept telling my son that day. All he could respond was, “But you weft me in the truck and I was cwying… “(Baby pronunciation )

Yeah, that's effing hilarious, lady. 

Mistakes happen and I can maybe understand a child being accidentally left in a car for a few moments - totally inadvertently - but then the parents should feel terrible about it as soon as it's discovered (and presumably they didn't get too far away).  Obviously the kid was sitting there crying, so he did not find it funny.  But to these people, that's humor.

  

RAD MYTH

I have started a new thread to discuss the MURDERS of children who supposedly had RAD here;

http://freejinger.yuku.co...orture-Death-of-Children

1. RAD is a very specific diagnosis with a narrow window of "symptoms".

2. What passes for RAD amongst adoptive parents these days is often a long list of varied behaviours that all kids have. Its too wide and varied to have any real meaning.

3. This Nancy person who is supposed to be a RAD expert is NOT an expert and has been involved in various criminal cases, a few involving MURDER OF CHILDREN who supposedly had RAD.

4. "Holding Therapy" and "Attachment Therapy" and various other methods of dealing with this non-scientific form of "RAD" have resulted in the DEATHS of several children.

5.. The dread-locked White woman (Christine?) who other women on this forum have said is "awesome" and "knows how to deal with RAD correctly" is another narccissistic nut-mom. Watch her videos..........closely.

If you want to read more about real RAD, faux RAD, Holding Therapy, Attachment Therapy, this Nancy "expert", and the resultant cases of DEATH, complete with videos, go here;

http://www.childrenintherapy.org/

and here;

http://stopchildtorture.org/

TRIGGER WARNING: Everything you will read there is EXTREMELY disturbing.

These people MUST be stopped!

Let's discuss this here;

http://freejinger.yuku.co...orture-Death-of-Children

thoughtful

Austin wrote:

Yeah, that's effing hilarious, lady. 

Mistakes happen and I can maybe understand a child being accidentally left in a car for a few moments - totally inadvertently - but then the parents should feel terrible about it as soon as it's discovered (and presumably they didn't get too far away).  Obviously the kid was sitting there crying, so he did not find it funny.  But to these people, that's humor.

And notice that she makes sure to say that it was Dad's fault, not just in telling the story, but to the kid, repeatedly, that day!

demgirl

I want to know who did this adoption and stop the agency until at least their qualifications for adoptive parents have been completely investigated and overhauled. I have no idea how to do this, but someone here must have connections that could help us. If ever there has been a mission for us, this is it. No child should experience what these children did and we need to do everything we can to prevent it from happening again.

valsa

How can she have expected to bond with these children, and they with her, if she viewed them as demonic and evil even before the adoption? Children aren't dumb. They know when they're not being treated the same as bio kids and they certainly know when you view them as a demonic influence to the "pure" and "sweet" bio kids.

Oh wait, she never had any intention of bonding with these poor children OR treating them as her own. Per her own posts, her priority in the beginning was to "rescue starving Haitian kids" (must be why she was so pissed off they didn't immediately kiss her ass for "saving" them) and then her goal changed to "save two kids from the pathway to Hell" (which is just a fundie way of saying "I'm winning brown people for the Lord! Never mind they were likely already Christians")

thoughtful

demgirl wrote:

I want to know who did this adoption and stop the agency until at least their qualifications for adoptive parents have been completely investigated and overhauled. I have no idea how to do this, but someone here must have connections that could help us. If ever there has been a mission for us, this is it. No child should experience what these children did and we need to do everything we can to prevent it from happening again.

This blogger appears to be involved with the place where the kids were pre-adoption:

laceyinhaiti.blogspot.com/

mausi

I finally read over this all. I feel very strongly that an amount of racism was involved in her treatment of the children, a sentiment only made worse by the "pure and sweet" description of her biological children in direct contrast to the adoptive children.

SunnyAndrsn

Valsa, this is something I can agree with you on, those poor children!  Those poor children.

valsa wrote:

How can she have expected to bond with these children, and they with her, if she viewed them as demonic and evil even before the adoption? Children aren't dumb. They know when they're not being treated the same as bio kids and they certainly know when you view them as a demonic influence to the "pure" and "sweet" bio kids.

Oh wait, she never had any intention of bonding with these poor children OR treating them as her own. Per her own posts, her priority in the beginning was to "rescue starving Haitian kids" (must be why she was so pissed off they didn't immediately kiss her ass for "saving" them) and then her goal changed to "save two kids from the pathway to Hell" (which is just a fundie way of saying "I'm winning brown people for the Lord! Never mind they were likely already Christians")

cassandra

mausi wrote:

I finally read over this all. I feel very strongly that an amount of racism was involved in her treatment of the children, a sentiment only made worse by the "pure and sweet" description of her biological children in direct contrast to the adoptive children.

I think it's definitely tempting to pass this all off as racism, and there may be some racist elements in there, however I honestly think this woman is just pure batshit, and she would have treated any "ungrateful" adoptive child the same way no matter the skin color. Though it is interesting that she wanted a European adoption, but the Haitian adoption was more affordable.

Alecto

mausi wrote:

I finally read over this all. I feel very strongly that an amount of racism was involved in her treatment of the children, a sentiment only made worse by the "pure and sweet" description of her biological children in direct contrast to the adoptive children.

I wonder if it's not more xenophobic since they are "others"

WTF is going on with her hair? (Bc I'm superficial like that...)

Austin

holly wrote:

WTF is going on with her hair? (Bc I'm superficial like that...)

Then I'll be superficial along with you, as I can only take so much of thinking about what this woman really did to those poor kids.

I cracked up laughing when someone posted earlier on that she clearly had her makeup gun set to "whore".

Brilliant!

Alecto

holly wrote:

WTF is going on with her hair? (Bc I'm superficial like that...)

She's stuck in 1992. Every girl in my junior high had hair like that.

holly

Austin wrote:

Then I'll be superficial along with you, as I can only take so much of thinking about what this woman really did to those poor kids.

I cracked up laughing when someone posted earlier on that she clearly had her makeup gun set to "whore".

Brilliant!

My brain is too drained from reading this thread to come up with something witty.  All I have to say is that it is god-fucking-ugly.  Surely she can't do that to her hair on purpose?  Right?  Right?

oscar

thatonechick wrote:

"Share a funny story relating to being a mom of many.

I guess every big family has a similar story, at least that is what I tell myself to keep myself from feeling to ashamed. Ha..ha..ha.. J

A couple of months ago we all rushed out of the truck into the church because we were running a few minutes late. We stopped in the foyer to briefly talk to some people while my children dispersed to their classrooms.  A few minutes into the conversation I said, “Where is the baby?†Our baby was 2 at the time.    I ran downstairs to his classroom… Nope, not there! I ran into each of my children’s rooms… Nope not there! Panic set in and now I was on the verge of hysteria and started enlisting people to help me find him.  Just as EVERYONE was about to start getting really worried I ran upstairs to catch a glimpse of my husband walking in the entrance with my tearful son in his arms.  And then all of the sudden it hit me! I said, “Didn’t you ever take him out of the car?Oops… bad, bad daddy that was his job. At least that’s what I kept telling my son that day. All he could respond was, “But you weft me in the truck and I was cwying… “(Baby pronunciation J)"

http://atifamily.com/?page_id=2

Why, for the love of all things Nutella, were these people allowed to adopt?

thatonechick, I couldn't agree more. It seems very unlikely that she would have made it through homestudy with a reputable adoption agency.  Her writing indicates that she has little insight into how her words and actions appear to others - it does not seem like she'd be able to conceal the many, many red flags apparent in her writing. From this entry, for example:

atifamily.com/?p=858

I have had an ongoing problem with my response to my children for years.   I love them dearly and I am very, very affectionate mommy who gives a lot of hugs and kisses, but I am lacking in sweetness of words and the way I give instruction.  I tend to lean more towards a drill sergeant sometimes to be honest.  It is a habitual problem sometimes, and one that I have not easily conquered...Just last night we had communion with our children and I confessed what YHVH had been prompting me about in this area and my desire to change. I also told them I was going to make a vow be for the Lord and I invited them to help me by nicely reminding me with the words “Be nice†if I was getting impatient, sarcastic or moody with them.  They all forgave me and it was a nice evening of confession one to another.

...

I have a very strong leadership kind of personality , who tends to HATE emotionalism in any form.  I tend to see emotions as a form of manipulation (Sorry this comes from my former baggage).

...

How can I expect anyone to serve me if my Lord did not come to be served, but to serve as a man on this earth?

I have long learned that lesson with my husband, but yet to learn it with my children.  I expect them to serve me and when they don’t or don’t meet my expectations… well, I’m not too nice about it.  I just made my vow yesterday unto God and I proclaimed it to my children, but days before all of my kids said they are seeing some real changes in me since we have returned from the conference… more peaceful, speaking in kinder tones etc.

So...she continues to make her children responsible for policing her behavior and emotional state. She has made it their responsibility to indicate when she is speaking unkindly, and to reward her with praise when she is using kinder tones. Despite her claims to have dedicated herself to Christlike service to her children, it sounds a heck of a lot like she is asking them to parent her - and what's more, she's proud of this.

Edited to start a new thread regarding questions on adoption agency.

Koala

thoughtful wrote:

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A Funny Story

I guess every big family has a similar story, at least that is what I tell myself to keep myself from feeling to ashamed. Ha..ha..ha..

A couple of months ago we all rushed out of the truck into the church because we were running a few minutes late. We stopped in the foyer to briefly talk to some people while my children dispersed to their classrooms. A few minutes into the conversation I said, “Where is the baby?†Our baby was 2 at the time. I ran downstairs to his classroom… Nope, not there! I ran into each of my children’s rooms… Nope not there! Panic set in and now I was on the verge of hysteria and started enlisting people to help me find him. Just as EVERYONE was about to start getting really worried I ran upstairs to catch a glimpse of my husband walking in the entrance with my tearful son in his arms. And then all of the sudden it hit me! I said, “Didn’t you ever take him out of the car?†Oops… bad, bad daddy that was his job. At least that’s what I kept telling my son that day. All he could respond was, “But you weft me in the truck and I was cwying… “(Baby pronunciation )

What the fuck does she think is funny about leaving a kid in the car?  God, what if it had been hot out that day???  That car could have turned into an oven.  

"laughing in my face when I tried to administer training,."

Well we all know what that means.  She didn't waste any time did she?  Evil....just pure and out evil.  Oh and Emma?  Not the kids honey, you.  They were never the bad ones.  It was always you.

The heart break came when another adoptive mother came up to me and in her best way said, " Maybe it would be a good idea if you learned Creole Curse Words!" I was like, "huh?" She said, "After we ate lunch together earlier my kids were listening to your kids talk while they were playing and they hear them cussing and freely using the "F" word! As a matter of fact it wasn't the little boy, but they little girl using it and not only that but they called me kids some animal names like dog and monkey or something like that."  I have to say that was the straw that broke the camels back! I started to SOB uncontrolably. I cried and said, "my kids are pure and so sweet and I'm supposed to bring this into my house? Isn't that sabatoge?" We don't even use words like shut-up in our house because it's too mean.

Lady if "bad" words are the worst thing your kids ever do, then you've got it made in the shade, and if you started crying over the above story, then you are certifiably nuts.  

All of the sudden I realized the shear evil in the situation and I became frightened, very frightened and confused. Shinanegans I could deal with, but this was TOO much, and much too severe.

I'm talking about a all out battle for their souls! At around that moment they started to act up and a friend that was sitting with us in pure disgust, slammed the table with her hands at the kids and yelled in a VERY firm voice, NO!, to the kids so they would stop acting up. They knew something was up.

The thought of them not receiving the free gift of salvation and change meant I'd be knowingly be bringing this potentially demonic influence not only into my home, but to live with my children in their rooms!

It must take a special kind of crazy to let a couple of kids dropping the F-bomb "frighten" you into thinking they were demons.  Again, Problem=Emma....not kids, EMMA.  

WHAT DID SHE EXPECT????  Oh, yeah.  She expected them to serve her.  Because when Emma isn't "served" then it's "not nice".  Got it.

Kathryn31

Austin wrote:

Then I'll be superficial along with you, as I can only take so much of thinking about what this woman really did to those poor kids.

I cracked up laughing when someone posted earlier on that she clearly had her makeup gun set to "whore".

Brilliant!

That you for saying it!  I have been looking at those Shirley Temple spirals and thinking it looks like she went to the groomer instead of the salon!  Holy hell those curls must take hours in the morning.  No wonder she needs so much time in the morning.  They resemble a vegetable from Iron Chef. 

oscar

For those interested in figuring out WHAT the FUCK IS UP with the adoption facilitator that placed these children with that bitch, I started a new thread in case dox get this one axed.

http://freejinger.yuku.co...doption-agency-red-flags

flyonthewall

Nothing excuses Emma from treating her adopted kids so badly, blogging about it, then giving them up,and blogging about again. So, how and why did the kids change so much over the course of the few times she met with them before the adoption. It was 2 years in the works right. Could the orphanage workers or even the other children have made the kids lives a living hell while still in Haiti? Could it be that because they were fortunate enough to be adopted that they were treated differently and in a bad way?

I have a friend that works in an orphanage in Malawi were the kids are very well taken care of and educated. He says that when he started to work there he was told not to single out any specific child as a favorite because it would be difficult for the child to live amongst the other children after that. Almost like a superstitious shunning of the child by the whole village. He didn't elaborate on that much, but it makes me think maybe these kids were put through the wringer before they ever entered Emma's life. I can't help but think of these kids and what they have been through during their short lives.

Edit:riffle

fundiefan

Going a direction that doesn't make me feel ill, her inability to spell, create a sentence or express a coherent thought is appalling. Her children will be illiterate with her as their teacher.

I reached the point yesterday of being glad those two babies made their escape, even if it was her own evil, sadistic behavior that engineered it. They're safe from her and will hopefully have a chance at love, family and a decent education. They lucked out. Her biological kids have no chance.

fundiefan

flyonthewall wrote:

Nothing excuses Emma from treating her adopted kids so badly, blogging about it, then giving them up,and blogging about again. So, how and why did the kids change so much over the course of the few times she met with them before the adoption. It was 2 years in the works right. Could the orphanage workers or even the other children have made the kids lives a living hell while still in Haiti? Could it be that because they were fortunate enough to be adopted that they were treated differently and in a bad way?

I have a friend that works in an orphanage in Malawi were the kids are very well taken care of and educated. He says that when he started to work there he was told not to single out any specific child as a favorite because it would be difficult for the child to live amongst the other children after that. Almost like a superstitious shunning of the child by the whole village. He didn't elaborate on that much, but it makes me think maybe these kids were put through the wringer before they ever entered Emma's life. I kept help but think of these kids and what they have been through during their shorts lives.

One of the videos that was up yesterday but yanked today had her saying that the little girl, at least, was 'not her daughter'; not the child she committed to but a different one with the same name. Someone pulled a fast one on her and gave her an evil child instead of the daughter she should have had, who she met and LOVES. 

She is the most self congratulatory victim I've ever had the displeasure of knowing existed.

thoughtful

thatonechick wrote:

"Share a funny story relating to being a mom of many.

I guess every big family has a similar story, at least that is what I tell myself to keep myself from feeling to ashamed. Ha..ha..ha.. J

A couple of months ago we all rushed out of the truck into the church because we were running a few minutes late. We stopped in the foyer to briefly talk to some people while my children dispersed to their classrooms.  A few minutes into the conversation I said, “Where is the baby?†Our baby was 2 at the time.    I ran downstairs to his classroom… Nope, not there! I ran into each of my children’s rooms… Nope not there! Panic set in and now I was on the verge of hysteria and started enlisting people to help me find him.  Just as EVERYONE was about to start getting really worried I ran upstairs to catch a glimpse of my husband walking in the entrance with my tearful son in his arms.  And then all of the sudden it hit me! I said, “Didn’t you ever take him out of the car?Oops… bad, bad daddy that was his job. At least that’s what I kept telling my son that day. All he could respond was, “But you weft me in the truck and I was cwying… “(Baby pronunciation J)"

http://atifamily.com/?page_id=2

Why, for the love of all things Nutella, were these people allowed to adopt?

I didn't realize this had already been posted -- sorry to be redundant!

emmyfair

fundiefan wrote:

.  She is the most self congratulatory victim I've ever had the displeasure of knowing existed.

I think she must be totally bucking fonkers. And, you know what? After three, I can't have any more children, but I'd give my right freaking arm for those two kids she tossed like trash! I can't imagine the god she believes in would be pleased with her .... but right, those children were EEEEEEVVVVIIIIIILLLLLLLLL...

No, wait, she's the one that's evil. Cow from hell. I'd have taken those kids from her in a heartbeat.

SnarkyJan

All things considered, the kids are lucky she gave them up and didn't try to exorcise the devil out of them.

Kathryn31

emmyfair wrote:

I think she must be totally bucking fonkers. And, you know what? After three, I can't have any more children, but I'd give my right freaking arm for those two kids she tossed like trash! I can't imagine the god she believes in would be pleased with her .... but right, those children were EEEEEEVVVVIIIIIILLLLLLLLL...

No, wait, she's the one that's evil. Cow from hell. I'd have taken those kids from her in a heartbeat.

  We should hand out an annual fundie most "Bucking Fonkers" trophy.  I don't think anyone will run against her this year and I imagine she may be uncontested next year as well. 

SnarkyJan

Kathryn31 wrote:

  We should hand out an annual fundie most "Bucking Fonkers" trophy.  I don't think anyone will run against her this year and I imagine she may be uncontested next year as well. 

We might as well hand her the trophy in perpetuity.

RAD MYTH

I'm crossing post this from my RAD Myth, Adoption Lies thread (come join us there) because these White people who adopt foreign Black kids have NO CLUE!

White people adopting Black kids from majority Black countries and then who wonder why the kids are "looking at them funny" LOL!

Studies have been done that show babies and children respond positively to the FAMILIAR.

Studies have also been done that babies and children respond positively to the PRETTY.

Dreadlocked Christine and any other un-attractive Moms and Dads should consider that maybe their kids are "looking at them funny" coz they be UGLY.

Regarding that "Playing Dumb" video that Christine had the damn nerve to post to the entire world - I left a comment of concern for her child below it that got deleted ( but of course!).

Imagine being a child, in a foreign country, living in a house full of strange looking and weird acting White people, and being VIDEO TAPED ALL DAY LONG.

WTF???

Why oh why do these people feel the need to expose their children to the ENTIRE WORLD like this?

Why do these people (women mostly, or exclusively) spend so much time online psycho-analysing every tiny little thing "their kids" do and say?

Who died and left them Freud?

Which medical doctors have "diagnosed" these kids with Reactive Attachment Disorder?

Its all incredibly, incredibly deranged.

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holly

Did we ever figure out what happened to the little girl?

Alecto

RAD MYTH wrote:

Studies have also been done that babies and children respond positively to the PRETTY.

Dreadlocked Christine and any other un-attractive Moms and Dads should consider that maybe their kids are "looking at them funny" coz they be UGLY.

So should unattractive people not adopt?

Daisy4

I'm not sure if this link will work but here is a cached version of one of her blogs:

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She talks about how well behaved the little girl (I don't want to use her name) was for the first two months but that she knew that she had it in her to be bad:

"She has been as sweet as a flower, but I've just been standing by waiting for the "real" her to be uncovered. Tada it is time!Don't forget this is the same little one that was calling another child an "F" word and other names in Haiti! So I knew she had it in her."

Right, a child who said Fuck is obviously a horrible demon.

I'm starting to wonder how much of the problems these kids had were caused by Emma.

Daisy4

Ugh, I finally reached the end of this thread and I am disgusted. I'd like to contact all the news agencies that fawned over her when they first adopted and tell them how she treated those poor kids.

brashchick

Alecto said "So, should unattrative people not be allowed to adopt?" 

Alecto, I don't know about the dreadlocked mom because I don't want to see the video, but what struck me about Emma's appearance was that in all her pictures she looks hard.  She looks cold with a weird smile that doesn't reach her eyes.  I have known people with facial deformaties who certainly didn't look "normal", but I was happy to look at them because I like them, and they are sweet.  People who are unattractive like Emma is unattractive probably shouldn't be allowed to adopt.  She has the kind of "ugly" that, as the saying says, "goes to the bone". 

RAD MYTH

Unattractive people can adopt, but they should read up on the science of what babies and children respond positively to, and realize that if your kid is "looking at you funny" or doesn't WANT to look you in the eyes, it could be because you ain't easy on those eyes in the first damn place.

Christine goes on and on about her Black daughter not wanting to "make eye contact" and thus having Reactive Attachment Disorder (diagnosed by whom - a SAHF - Stay At Home Freud?)

Um, lady, look in the damn mirror.

brashchick wrote:

Alecto said "So, should unattrative people not be allowed to adopt?" 

Alecto, I don't know about the dreadlocked mom because I don't want to see the video, but what struck me about Emma's appearance was that in all her pictures she looks hard.  She looks cold with a weird smile that doesn't reach her eyes.  I have known people with facial deformaties who certainly didn't look "normal", but I was happy to look at them because I like them, and they are sweet.  People who are unattractive like Emma is unattractive probably shouldn't be allowed to adopt.  She has the kind of "ugly" that, as the saying says, "goes to the bone". 

She's ugly from the inside out.  If she weren't such an evil woman, I don't think anyone here would have ever commented on her appearance.  It's like all of the "bad" in her just shines through....she looks mean.

chengdu

Where are her adopted kids now? (I'm new to this one)

Koala

chengdu wrote:

Where are her adopted kids now? (I'm new to this one)

The little boy is with a "new mom" who couldn't adopt before (I have no idea why)

The little girl just seems to have disappeared....which just about worries me to death

 I so hope that precious little girl is safe and happy, with parents that love her.

fundiefan

Ugly is as ugly does.

I don't think the woman with the dreads is physically 'ugly' but what she does is very, very ugly.

Emma, on the other hand, is both physically creepy looking and the inner ugliness oozes out of her. She looks dead. Seriously. There is nothing in there! That inner ugly makes her unfortunate hair and make up choices the least of her problems.

ChunkyBarbie

It is considered rude and disrespectful for children in Haiti and other countries to look an adult in the eye. It is tragic that little girl was being respectful and was hated for it.

Want More Babies

Do we know if that little girl is even alive? I hate to ask but....

SunnyAndrsn

Then biological babies of ugly parents don't make eye contact either?  WTF?  You're really reaching now

RAD MYTH wrote:

Unattractive people can adopt, but they should read up on the science of what babies and children respond positively to, and realize that if your kid is "looking at you funny" or doesn't WANT to look you in the eyes, it could be because you ain't easy on those eyes in the first damn place.

Christine goes on and on about her Black daughter not wanting to "make eye contact" and thus having Reactive Attachment Disorder (diagnosed by whom - a SAHF - Stay At Home Freud?)

Um, lady, look in the damn mirror.

emmyfair

Want More Babies wrote:

Do we know if that little girl is even alive? I hate to ask but....

I know. I wondered that. So scary and so bloody sad, huh?

Kathryn31

Not to thread jack here but why is the poster "Rad Myth" posting the EXACT same thing in multiple threads? Word for word in most with a paragraph added here and there. Also the use of "white people" and how they are always wrong when they adopt "black people" has run its course as well.

Just sayin'.

RAD MYTH

The one thing I noticed about Emma, Christine and a number of the other women who suffer from Big Family Adoption Addiction is that they are all incredibly narccissitic and spend a lot of time online.

Now you tell me - if you've got a housefull of kids, half of whom have "RAD" and you are homeschooling - where the hell do you find even 1 minute to get online???

That Emma woman actually contacted her local news channel to do a story on her!

How self-absorbed can you be?

I thought motherhood was supposed to be the most "self-sacrificing" vocation ever in the history of specieskind!

What is it with these women and their blogs, websites, youtube channels, et el?

They have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much time on their hands.

I PITY THE MEN MARRIED TO THESE SHRILL HARRIDANS!

LynnKaboom

Koala wrote:

The little boy is with a "new mom" who couldn't adopt before (I have no idea why)

The little girl just seems to have disappeared....which just about worries me to death

 I so hope that precious little girl is safe and happy, with parents that love her.

I really, really hope she is alright.

Oddeverything.shocklinesforum

Koala wrote:

The little boy is with a "new mom" who couldn't adopt before (I have no idea why)

The little girl just seems to have disappeared....which just about worries me to death

 I so hope that precious little girl is safe and happy, with parents that love her.

Until the identity of the new mom who took the little boy is revealed and recent pictures of the child are produced (or better, the child himself), I am worried to death about both of them.  A woman who would make her children pray to bring back to life an 8-week miscarriage is clearly mentally unsound, though I would be generous enough to say this woman may be Andrea-Yates-unhinged and not just utterly-wicked-crazy.   People don't just give away the children they think are bad or of the devil, not even the most deranged fundies (although one of the Campbell daughters did that with the kids she got from Liberia so maybe it's becoming a fundie trend).  I am fearful for both children and will remain so until they proven definitively by authorities to be safe and sound.

RAD MYTH

"It is considered rude and disrespectful for children in Haiti and other countries to look an adult in the eye. It is tragic that little girl was being respectful and was hated for it. "

Yes, Chunky Barbie, that's part of my point.

These people have a very Anglo-American-centric view of the entire world.

They don't even bother to learn the languages of the children they are adopting, forget about learning their cultural customs.

Its a shame.

There needs to be intensive training when it comes to cross-cultural adoptions, in my opinion. Language classes, cooking classes, the whole nine yards.

Otherwise just adopt a kid from your own damn country.

Its not like the United States has no orphans.

But adopting an American child just doesn't have that exotic, faux-international sex appeal that adopting foreign kids has, does it?

valsa

To be fair, as someone who would prefer to adopt internationally rather than from the foster care system, there are legitimate reasons to pursue an intercountry adoption rather than a domestic one.

RAD MYTH

Valsa: "To be fair, as someone who would prefer to adopt internationally rather than from the foster care system, there are legitimate reasons to pursue an intercountry adoption rather than a domestic one. "

SUCH AS???

Lainey.digestioninform...

Wow, I finally reached the end of the thread! Who is this dreadlocked woman "Christine" everyone keeps referring to? The only video I saw talking about playing dumb was just a woman talking about her daughter--there was no kid shown in the video at all. 

Alecto

RAD MYTH wrote:

Valsa: "To be fair, as someone who would prefer to adopt internationally rather than from the foster care system, there are legitimate reasons to pursue an intercountry adoption rather than a domestic one. "

SUCH AS???

You can adopt internationally as a gay man or woman or a single easier in some cases than in some states in the US.

valsa

RAD MYTH wrote:

Valsa: "To be fair, as someone who would prefer to adopt internationally rather than from the foster care system, there are legitimate reasons to pursue an intercountry adoption rather than a domestic one. "

SUCH AS???

For one, you can find younger and healthier children internationally. U.S. foster care in many places gives the bio parents far too long to work their plan, in my opinion. Kids can end up in foster care for 2+ years before being released for adoption and usually the foster parents get first dibs on them. So the children who are both free for adoption and not adopted by their foster parents tend to be the ones who have significant special needs or are older. Also, almost all the kids available through foster care adoption were removed for abuse or neglect, which means they have more trauma to deal with. Children in other countries can be released for adoption due to poverty and if they're in a country with a good foster care system, they're likely to be much better adjusted than kids who have both abandonment issues (which almost all adopted kids deal with) and trauma from abuse or neglect.

Also, many people feel that adopting internationally is better than domestically because even the worst situations that former foster care children may find themselves in later on in American aren't as bad the situations that orphans face in other countries. At least 10% of orphans in Russia commit suicide once they age out of the system with no understanding of how to function in the real world and estimates state that between 40%-60% end up on drugs or in jail. We have social support systems in American that aren't available in other places to help vulnerable people.

bea

Some adoptive parents shy away from domestic adoptions because of the risk of the birth parents ending the adoption process.  Also, it can be difficult - or was, when my aunt and uncle were adopting - to get a second child after adoption the first domestically.  My older cousin was adopted domestically; my younger cousin was adopted internationally because the chances of being matched with a second child was pretty slim.  In addition, as Alecto mentioned, there are rules about single people, gay couples, etc. adopting in the US that aren't a factor in some countries overseas.  Same thing with transracial adoptions. 

RAD MYTH

Valsa, naturally you will take language and culture courses to learn the language and culture of the child you will adopt, right?

valsa

RAD MYTH wrote:

Valsa, naturally you will take language and culture courses to learn the language and culture of the child you will adopt, right?

Of course I will. And I would also never consider pursuing an adoption through an agency who didn't offer both pre- and post-adoption cultural resources.

emmyfair

valsa wrote:

Of course I will. And I would also never consider pursuing an adoption through an agency who didn't offer both pre- and post-adoption cultural resources.

Valsa, good for you. It's always been my dream to adopt internationally, and even though it seems less than likely right now, I still haven't given up hope.

valsa

emmyfair wrote:

Valsa, good for you. It's always been my dream to adopt internationally, and even though it seems less than likely right now, I still haven't given up hope.

Thanks. I wish you good luck with being able to adopt internationally. Right now, my ability to do so will depend pretty much on my finances once I'm ready (in about 10 years) Of course, it's a bad time to be wanting to adopt right now anyway, since a lot of countries are slowing down or stopping adoptions altogether. But hopefully they will be able to end the corruption in those countries by shutting them down for a time.

Also, to RAD, I'd like to point out that learning an adopted child's culture doesn't only pertain to intercountry adoption. Domestic transracial and transcultural adoption also requires learning about the child's culture.

RAD MYTH

"Domestic transracial and transcultural adoption also requires learning about the child's culture. "

I know.

I've read plenty of American adoption sites with Black kids adopted by White parents who resented it.

Adoption is hard enough to deal with. 

Add on top the racial/cultural divide - ovey!

Jencendiary

RAD, are you opposed to adoption all the way around, or are you just unceasingly negative?

failsafe

Valsa: "To be fair, as someone who would prefer to adopt internationally rather than from the foster care system, there are legitimate reasons to pursue an intercountry adoption rather than a domestic one. "

SUCH AS???

Perhaps if you are of a minority (typically model minorities) with children that do not end up in the foster care system to the extent primarily white, black and Hispanic children do and you want to go back to your ancestral country to adopt?

valsa

RAD MYTH wrote:

"Domestic transracial and transcultural adoption also requires learning about the child's culture. "

I know.

I've read plenty of American adoption sites with Black kids adopted by White parents who resented it.

Adoption is hard enough to deal with. 

Add on top the racial/cultural divide - ovey!

I'm taking it that you're against transracial adoption? So why don't you tell us everything you've done to recruit more AA adoptive families?

Alecto

I plan on adopting from the US foster care system after grad school. I am doing this knowing fully I will likely end up adopting a Hispanic or African American child. While there are obstacles with transracial adoptions, I think that there are also many lovely success stories. I know of a family that has adopted children of three different ethnic backgrounds, and all of their children have grown up to be successful. I am smart enough to know that I won't know everything, and I will be happy to use the resources that are available to me to make sure my child has a grasp on his adoptive and biological heritage.

glamourdollxoxo

As someone who was adopted transracially I can tell you that me as well as my 9 siblings (also transracial) and many of the others who were adopted transracially do not resent it. While you do have some parents who do a lousy job of parenting minority children in a white society the good I have found outweigh the bad. I was a foster child and wasn't free for adoption until I was 4 and my parents wanted to adopt me but the state wanted to return me to my bio father who had just been released from jail all because they didn't think I would thrive with white parents. My parents got my bio father to agree to adoption and he visited off and on until I was five. My parents did an amazing job and surrounded themselves with other transracial families who adpoted. My mom was an amazing hair stylist who mastered almost any African American hairstyle you could think of and I would get looks of amazement when people asked who would do my hair and I would explain my mother who was white did it. These are just a few examples of my how my parents really did step it up and I know many others have to. So don't let the few bad examples taint interracial adoptions.

RAD MYTH

Failsafe,

"Perhaps if you are of a minority (typically model minorities) with children that do not end up in the foster care system to the extent primarily white, black and Hispanic children do and you want to go back to your ancestral country to adopt? "

Model minority means Desi?  Wanting to go back to South Asia and adopt?

Whether I'm for or against any sort of adoption - I've mixed feelings. 

I'd advise anyone contemplating adoption to read the blogs and forums of adoptees first. 

Trans-racial and trans-cultural adoptions can be even more problematic for obvious reasons. 

Anyone who doesn't think so is just naive.

Then you've got the issue of trans-religious, but of course these born again Christians will expect whatever kids they adopt to naturally want to be a born again fundie too, right?

failsafe

Could be Indian. Could be Korean or Japanese or Filipinos or even in some cases American Jews.

Jencendiary

Speaking as a transracial adoptee myself, it is my opinion that children are better in a loving (and carefully inspected) home, being raised by trained and informed parents (or parent, and I don't care the gender or race of said parents/parent) than in foster care or an institution. So, there we go.

Kathryn31

Jencendiary wrote:

RAD, are you opposed to adoption all the way around, or are you just unceasingly negative?

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I don't understand this person and their posts that continue to pee on every parade that comes by.  Also what is with the bashing of Whites who adopt Blacks (their verbage and caps)?

valsa

RAD MYTH wrote:

Trans-racial and trans-cultural adoptions can be even more problematic for obvious reasons.  

It can be problematic but it's also rather unavoidable. Go to adoptuskids.org and search the kids. 45% of the 3451 kids who are available for adoption free-and-clear are AA. 40% are white. In 2008, the racial breakdown of the U.S. was 13% AA and 66% white. Those numbers mean that transracial adoptions are going to happen a lot and there's not much that can be done about it, other than urge more AA families to adopt (though it should be pointed out many AA families consist of kinship adoption before the bio parents' right are completely terminated)

lovefromgirl

RAD MYTH wrote:

Valsa: "To be fair, as someone who would prefer to adopt internationally rather than from the foster care system, there are legitimate reasons to pursue an intercountry adoption rather than a domestic one. "

SUCH AS???

Dunno about you, but I'd have loved to see efforts made (and publicized) to connect Haitian orphans to Haitian-hyphenate families in other countries, if that was truly the best route to take. And by "orphans" I mean "kids who legitimately do not have anyone left to look after them". I don't know if there are floods of German children in similar predicaments, but if there were, I'd probably consider adopting one at some point. (And we'd end up speaking a hilarious hodgepodge of Bavarian German, proper German, English, and possibly French.) Given my own difficulties assimilating* after I spent my early childhood in my mother's country, I'd be bringing more realistic expectations to the table than this Emma nut. I mean, if the US was that much of a shock for me coming from freakin' Europe, how much worse is it when you don't look like anyone else around you and have absolutely no roots in common?

Incidentally, there's this brilliant Snape-adopts-Harry fanfic out there that shows how Harry Potter might have turned out had he not been the hero of a series of kids' books, complete with RAD-type issues (but his first adoptive family was terribly abusive, and that is taken into account; it's not just "OMG ADOPTION RAD"). Worth reading if you're a Harry Potter fan who likes fanfiction.

* And I had both of my bio-parents living with me. Not, however, always caring for me; there were five nasty years when I all but lived with this WASPy bitch who made a huge deal about being "Irish" but probably would've gone "Northern Ireland whut?" if I'd thought to ask. Hah, there's a conversation I'd love to have with her these days. Mainly she was a bully who didn't give a shit whether I froze to death in her backyard, broke my neck on her swing set, or died in a car crash because her van couldn't schlep all of us safely.

failsafe

Also what is with the bashing of Whites who adopt Blacks (their verbage and caps)?

I think the theory is many (but not all) Whites who adopt Black children do it "wrong" so it's easy enough to condemn the whole practice. I don't like the way that sounds, because it implies there is a "right" way, as opposed to just some things being wrong and a lot of different things being right, but there you go. And the fact is there is no need to condemn the practice as a whole - it can be done, of course, but it takes education, recognition of privilege, commitment, trial and error and for people to know what they don't know - which is always difficult.

Jencendiary

Kathryn31 wrote:

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I don't understand this person and their posts that continue to pee on every parade that comes by.  Also what is with the bashing of Whites who adopt Blacks (their verbage and caps)?

I don't think it's bashing exactly. There is MAJOR cultural baggage surrounding being a person of color in America that White families are just not equipped to deal with. Because they've never had to think about it. But, as long as the family is willing to learn, accept criticism, accept help, and not ignore those issues -- the kids turn out OK. You just have to make folks aware. 

I do think RAD underestimates the willingness of people in these situations to learn and educate themselves, though. However, I could be optimistic. 

Y'know. Because, Emily. 

Jencendiary

Er. What failsafe said.

Raine

This is random, but when did Emily actually give up the kids? I noticed there is no mention of them in either of the ATI blogs, and part of me wonders if Gothard's views on adoption may have figured into the decision. He is very much against it, promotes the idea that the "sins" of the child's father may pass into the adoptive family through the child, and tells stories about failed adoptions where the children "had to be sent back".

It just seems odd that in her earlier adoption blogs she talks about being aware of their issues, trying to work things out, etc, and then on the ATI blogs it's like those two children never existed and they've always been this Quiverful WASP family that is trying to hard to fit in with the other ATI groupies.

valsa

Raine, I think someone said the kids were gotten rid of by July and that just 3 months after the kids were gone, she got her first ATI box.

RAD MYTH

failsafe wrote:

Could be Indian. Could be Korean or Japanese or Filipinos or even in some cases American Jews.

Well, majority of Indians are Hindus.  Don't expect a Hindu kid to want to convert to an Abrahamic faith.  Many Koreans and Japanese are Buddhist or Shinto.  Don't expect them to want to convert to an Abrahamic faith.

Trans-religious and trans-cultural adoptive parents must be culturally and religiously sensitive.

RAD MYTH

lovefromgirl wrote;

Given my own difficulties assimilating* after I spent my early childhood in my mother's country, I'd be bringing more realistic expectations to the table than this Emma nut. I mean, if the US was that much of a shock for me coming from freakin' Europe, how much worse is it when you don't look like anyone else around you and have absolutely no roots in common? 

BINGO!

dirtyhippiegirl

One of my mom's last foster kids was a black baby. His birth mom did meth. Jesus Christ, wouldn't let that happen to my worst enemy. But yeah. Cool story, bro:

Family A wanted to adopt this kid. They were whitey-white-white. Did very very well on home visits however. Meth baby, now nearly three years old, needed structure and discipline which he received from said family.

Family B wanted to adopt this kid and all eight of his siblings, none of which he'd ever met (being taken at birth) and of course none of them had ever met him. Family B was also black and very, very, very religious. There were numerous issues with this family *not* returning the kid back to my mom on time (Jesus time ran over), and the baby often returning with bruises etc. on him. My mom reported this.

Family B ended up adopting all eight kids because they were black and willing to take a sibling group.

Family B ended up having to give up custody of all kids once it was realized that they beat the holy living hell out of the adoptive kids (duh) because Jesus told them to. I believe they were Baptists.

Family A had already adopted another kid by that time and last I heard, nearly five years later, child is still in the system.

/csb

Michiru

I don't know if there are floods of German children in similar predicaments, but if there were, I'd probably consider adopting one at some point

No floods of German children up for apdoption.

They have huge waitinglists for those who want to adopt.

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failsafe

Well, majority of Indians are Hindus. Don't expect a Hindu kid to want to convert to an Abrahamic faith. Many Koreans and Japanese are Buddhist or Shinto. Don't expect them to want to convert to an Abrahamic faith.

The government of India actually restricts this, so no worries there. But there are PLENTY of both Muslim and Christian kids awaiting adoption in India too - and most are not recent converts.

Besides, my point had nothing to do with conversion, which is, I think, a personal decision. You asked why someone would want to adopt internationally. That's one reason.

Doc Sharon4321

Late to the party, as usual.  I really cannot add anything to the horror that is this woman.  Her complete lack of empathy for those kids and the glaringly obvious fact that she adopted them to draw attention to herself and her fabulous fundiosity and gave them away like castoffs to Goodwill speaks for itself.  I don't know a lot about adoption, but those kids don't seem to have RAD to me, either.  What she described sounds like typical behavior for kids in a situation that is completely foreign to them and who are fearful that the adults in their lives won't take care of them. Smart kids. 

It's no wonder she wanted those kids gone, she was obviously terrified that they'd instill a little personality into her own kids and she cannot have that.  Anyone else pick up that she seemed to think the little girl was displaying inappropriately sexual behaviors?  If in fact she was (not sure because Emma has no credibility with me), wouldn't it be logical to suspect that perhaps this poor child had been molested at some point?  And wouldn't any decent human being (not parent, just any decent human being), then get that child in to a specialist for evaluation and therapy ASAP?  I've got a little professional experience in dealing with molestation, but surely it doesn't take any special education to wonder why a young child is behaving in a sexually inappropriate way and to want to find out why and help her.  Instead, this fuckwit is worried because her 9 year old got a prepubescent boner!  Newsflash to Emma!  It's the evil on earth that teaches little kids stuff like that, not the devil in hell.

Anyone else notice how she had a donation button on her website for people to give her money to finance the adoptions?  Maybe that's where Lyndsie picked it up.  I also noticed that in the many, many news articles about the adoption, she always got in a mention of the tremendous expenses involved, no doubt soliciting donations.  Wonder if she's notified the donors and returned their money?  Well, no, I don't.

Between running multiple blogs with tons of posts and constantly alerting the media to the adoption, it's no wonder she doesn't have time to parent her kids, let alone actually homeschool them.  I wonder if Emma rushed to the phone to notify the local TV stations and newspapers to let them know that, after less than 6 months, she'd thrown the kids out for not being perfect little fundiebots?  Nope, we all know she didn't.  I guess it didn't occur to her that, with her bio kids, she was able to begin the indoctrination process at birth so that by the time they were walkin' and talkin' her birth kids were already intimidated enough to toe the line.  No matter what she knew or didn't know about adoption, she apparently knows nothing whatsoever about kids.  Who expects a 5 and 7 year old to not have thoughts and ideas and behaviors of their own, no matter what their background?  Does anyone think she could've taken in a couple of white kids born in her own hometown at the same ages and gotten them to behave as she expects at all times? Only a fundie who's managed to brainwash the personalities right out of her own kids to the point where they are her 'servants' would be so stupid.  The fact that at least half of the 6 months they were with her she was dealing with pregnancy, childbirth, a sick infant and serious illness in her own family and yet she cuts them no slack nor does she lessen her expectations of them is mind boggling.  This is especially true since she expects nothing of herself, apparently.  It's all about the kids fulfilling her needs, doing her bidding, behaving her way.

Anyone else notice that so many of these fundy homeschoolers give their kids nicknames on the blogs to indicate how super smart the kids are(n't)?  Boychildren seem especially likely to be praised for their brainitude, usually by a homeschoolin' fundie mom who doesn't give a rat's patootie about actual edumacation as long as the kids can quote the Bible and praise Jebus.  This nutjob actually brags about how she doesn't do academics with her kids and once she's learned 'em to read, they're on their own.  Yet, one of her boys is Mr. Inventor because he's just so brilliant.  Sure he is.  Then again, considering her writing skills, I suppose my dogs would seem to be the second coming of Einstein to her.  Anyone got a link to a blog discussing parts of speech, spelling and little things like homonyms we could send her?  Her blog is so time consuming to read because of her lack of knowledge of her own dam* language and she then has the nerve to be pissed that her adopted kids can swear in Creole?  Her writing makes me think she was homeschooled by a fundie mom just like her.

twin2

Doc Sharon4321 wrote:

Late to the party, as usual.  I really cannot add anything to the horror that is this woman.  Her complete lack of empathy for those kids and the glaringly obvious fact that she adopted them to draw attention to herself and her fabulous fundiosity and gave them away like castoffs to Goodwill speaks for itself.  I don't know a lot about adoption, but those kids don't seem to have RAD to me, either.  What she described sounds like typical behavior for kids in a situation that is completely foreign to them and who are fearful that the adults in their lives won't take care of them. Smart kids. 

Anyone else notice how she had a donation button on her website for people to give her money to finance the adoptions?  Maybe that's where Lyndsie picked it up.  I also noticed that in the many, many news articles about the adoption, she always got in a mention of the tremendous expenses involved, no doubt soliciting donations.  Wonder if she's notified the donors and returned their money?  Well, no, I don't.

Between running multiple blogs with tons of posts and constantly alerting the media to the adoption, it's no wonder she doesn't have time to parent her kids, let alone actually homeschool them.  I wonder if Emma rushed to the phone to notify the local TV stations and newspapers to let them know that, after less than 6 months, she'd thrown the kids out for not being perfect little fundiebots?  Nope, we all know she didn't.  I guess it didn't occur to her that, with her bio kids, she was able to begin the indoctrination process at birth so that by the time they were walkin' and talkin' her birth kids were already intimidated enough to toe the line.  No matter what she knew or didn't know about adoption, she apparently knows nothing whatsoever about kids.  Who expects a 5 and 7 year old to not have thoughts and ideas and behaviors of their own, no matter what their background?  Does anyone think she could've taken in a couple of white kids born in her own hometown at the same ages and gotten them to behave as she expects at all times? Only a fundie who's managed to brainwash the personalities right out of her own kids to the point where they are her 'servants' would be so stupid.  The fact that at least half of the 6 months they were with her she was dealing with pregnancy, childbirth, a sick infant and serious illness in her own family and yet she cuts them no slack nor does she lessen her expectations of them is mind boggling.  This is especially true since she expects nothing of herself, apparently.  It's all about the kids fulfilling her needs, doing her bidding, behaving her way.

Anyone else notice that so many of these fundy homeschoolers give their kids nicknames on the blogs to indicate how super smart the kids are(n't)?  Boychildren seem especially likely to be praised for their brainitude, usually by a homeschoolin' fundie mom who doesn't give a rat's patootie about actual edumacation as long as the kids can quote the Bible and praise Jebus.  This nutjob actually brags about how she doesn't do academics with her kids and once she's learned 'em to read, they're on their own.  Yet, one of her boys is Mr. Inventor because he's just so brilliant.  Sure he is.  Then again, considering her writing skills, I suppose my dogs would seem to be the second coming of Einstein to her.  Anyone got a link to a blog discussing parts of speech, spelling and little things like homonyms we could send her?  Her blog is so time consuming to read because of her lack of knowledge of her own dam* language and she then has the nerve to be pissed that her adopted kids can swear in Creole?  Her writing makes me think she was homeschooled by a fundie mom just like her.

To bolded point 1:  Someone posted a link to a newspaper article on here that was written before the adoption, where at the bottom she gives a means to donate money to cover the expenes for one of her trips to Haiti.  I am convined all this women wanted was attention, or a reality show.

To bolded point 2:  I hate Nancy Grace with the fire of a thousand and one suns, but if she picked up on this and decided to make Emma and "the agency" behind this her new pet project, I could get behind that.

  

Edited x3 because the anger this Emma brings out in me makes me riffle too much 

CanadianMom

I spent a good deal of last night catching up on this, and I am sick to my stomach over it. I guess her quiver isn't all that strong. I am so glad that the proper authorities were alerted as this woman sounds absolutely crazy and should not be parenting children at all. Please keep us updated on what happens and the follow through. I am also curious as to what happened to the two kids that she "gave away". I hope they are safe and with people who love and care for them.

MuseMama

dirtyhippiegirl wrote:

One of my mom's last foster kids was a black baby. His birth mom did meth. Jesus Christ, wouldn't let that happen to my worst enemy. But yeah. Cool story, bro:

Family A wanted to adopt this kid. They were whitey-white-white. Did very very well on home visits however. Meth baby, now nearly three years old, needed structure and discipline which he received from said family.

Family B wanted to adopt this kid and all eight of his siblings, none of which he'd ever met (being taken at birth) and of course none of them had ever met him. Family B was also black and very, very, very religious. There were numerous issues with this family *not* returning the kid back to my mom on time (Jesus time ran over), and the baby often returning with bruises etc. on him. My mom reported this.

Family B ended up adopting all eight kids because they were black and willing to take a sibling group.

Family B ended up having to give up custody of all kids once it was realized that they beat the holy living hell out of the adoptive kids (duh) because Jesus told them to. I believe they were Baptists.

Family A had already adopted another kid by that time and last I heard, nearly five years later, child is still in the system.

/csb

That just makes me sad.  God forbid a black child be raised by white people or vice versa.  Better to put them in abusive homes!  Or, maybe we should listen to RAD MYTH and leave orphans to rot in the third world countries that can barely afford to feed and clothe them, rather than make them live in another country.

I'm all for encouraging sensitivity and understanding with cross-cultural/racial adoption.  But then again, RAD MYTH has only shown me that it's something that could happen.  Not that it's commonplace enough to warrant his/her ire.

Lumping all adoptive parents into Emma's group is grossly unfair. 

persuaded

RAD MYTH wrote:

Studies have also been done that babies and children respond positively to the PRETTY.

Dreadlocked Christine and any other un-attractive Moms and Dads should consider that maybe their kids are "looking at them funny" coz they be UGLY.

Oh my goodness... I'm certainly glad that you weren't in charge of doing my homestudy!

  

Truthfully, I think children are much more attuned to and respond positively to the KIND and NURTURING. In my experience, a parent's level of attractiveness (which is highly subjective and culturally based anyway) is pretty meaningless to a child. Actually when you ask a young child who is the "prettiest" person they know, they'll often say their mama... even when their mama is yanno, pretty much anything but attractive. It's called love♥

Koala

persuaded wrote:

Oh my goodness... I'm certainly glad that you weren't in charge of doing my homestudy!

  

Truthfully, I think children are much more attuned to and respond positively to the KIND and NURTURING. In my experience, a parent's level of attractiveness (which is highly subjective and culturally based anyway) is pretty meaningless to a child. Actually when you ask a young child who is the "prettiest" person they know, they'll often say their mama... even when their mama is yanno, pretty much anything but attractive. It's called love♥

well said persuaded.

GolightlyGrrl

persuaded wrote:

Oh my goodness... I'm certainly glad that you weren't in charge of doing my homestudy!

  

Truthfully, I think children are much more attuned to and respond positively to the KIND and NURTURING. In my experience, a parent's level of attractiveness (which is highly subjective and culturally based anyway) is pretty meaningless to a child. Actually when you ask a young child who is the "prettiest" person they know, they'll often say their mama... even when their mama is yanno, pretty much anything but attractive. It's called love♥

Good call. I'm not Heidi Klum, and some people might call me downright plain, but kids do respond to me in a positive way. Maybe it's because I'm friendly and nurturing. Or maybe they like my red hair because it reminds them of Ariel the Little Mermaid.

Speaking of redheads we need to cleanse the palate of Bad Emma. Here is some Good Emma.

Emma%20Pillsbury.jpg

slickcat79

Anyone else pick up that she seemed to think the little girl was displaying inappropriately sexual behaviors? If in fact she was (not sure because Emma has no credibility with me), wouldn't it be logical to suspect that perhaps this poor child had been molested at some point? And wouldn't any decent human being (not parent, just any decent human being), then get that child in to a specialist for evaluation and therapy ASAP?

Yes, this. Seriously, you claim that you were molested by a 7-year-old child as a fully grown adult? I would wonder where it was that the kid learned how to "touch inappropriately". Age-inappropriate sexual knowledge is a blindingly obvious red flag of physical/sexual abuse that a child has most likely been through. At that age, evaluation and counseling could actually save that child from being indelibly scarred for life or becoming a true abuser herself. Yet Emma's reaction is "get rid of the devil child".

apple1

DocSharon is spot on, as usual.

Has anyone figured out where the girl is now?

Austin

slickcat79 wrote:

Yes, this. Seriously, you claim that you were molested by a 7-year-old child as a fully grown adult? I would wonder where it was that the kid learned how to "touch inappropriately". Age-inappropriate sexual knowledge is a blindingly obvious red flag of physical/sexual abuse that a child has most likely been through. At that age, evaluation and counseling could actually save that child from being indelibly scarred for life or becoming a true abuser herself. Yet Emma's reaction is "get rid of the devil child".

Well, Emma's reaction to it was to claim the the girl had "violated" her (keeping in mind it is All-About-Emma-All-The-Time) and made evil advances on her bio son, as well.  The son was punished for "disobedience" in relation to this somehow, which seems to indicate that he had an erection.

chengdu

I think that people who oppose TRA are acting racist themselves.

They are saying, "Who cares if these minority children spend their lives in orphanages or foster care. Better they should stay there till we find the EXACT PERFECT PLACEMENT for them."

Truthfully (and speaking from experience here), kids wants love, stability, and caring grownups to look after them. They are not looking at race. It is the racist grownups around them that think black must go with black, and white with white.

I'd hate to think of my own children of color having to spend the rest of their lives in a third-world orphanage, because some crazy white middle-class liberal thought their parents had to match them.

deelaem

Doc Sharon said - It's the evil on earth that teaches little kids stuff like that, not the devil in hell.

I love this line! It sums Emma, and indeed all fundiedom, up exactly.

capt sugaree

Austin wrote:

Well, Emma's reaction to it was to claim the the girl had "violated" her (keeping in mind it is All-About-Emma-All-The-Time) and made evil advances on her bio son, as well.  The son was punished for "disobedience" in relation to this somehow, which seems to indicate that he had an erection.

Or, because I strongly suspect Emma is crazy in a Carrie's mom kind of way, Emma read into him some sexual thought or urge that you or I could not have seen. She really seems to project onto her kids.

Raine wrote:

This is random, but when did Emily actually give up the kids? I noticed there is no mention of them in either of the ATI blogs, and part of me wonders if Gothard's views on adoption may have figured into the decision. He is very much against it, promotes the idea that the "sins" of the child's father may pass into the adoptive family through the child, and tells stories about failed adoptions where the children "had to be sent back".

It just seems odd that in her earlier adoption blogs she talks about being aware of their issues, trying to work things out, etc, and then on the ATI blogs it's like those two children never existed and they've always been this Quiverful WASP family that is trying to hard to fit in with the other ATI groupies.

Raine, they came to live with the family in January, and by July, Emma was blogging that the boy was with his new family, and that the girl was still in her house, but not for long.

almostfundylyte

God, this thread is breaking my heart. Those poor, poor kids! Now I need to go hug my son.

americanniqabi

damn, i got here too late. Now her blog is open to invited readers only.

Kathryn31

Austin wrote:

Well, Emma's reaction to it was to claim the the girl had "violated" her (keeping in mind it is All-About-Emma-All-The-Time) and made evil advances on her bio son, as well.  The son was punished for "disobedience" in relation to this somehow, which seems to indicate that he had an erection.

I just cannot imagine punishing my son for every pubescent erection that occurs and blaming it on his lack of willpower.  Wow.  Srsly where is dad in all this?  Can he not explain that males wake up like this?

fundiefan

Kathryn31 wrote:

I just cannot imagine punishing my son for every pubescent erection that occurs and blaming it on his lack of willpower.  Wow.  Srsly where is dad in all this?  Can he not explain that males wake up like this?

The dad is either willfully ignorant or just as crazy. I am sure they believe that natural biological functions of the human body are evil and he would never admit that he, too, had erections outside the marital bed with the momma. Just as all the crazy fundies are - there is no such thing as natural, normal bodily functions or even desires that are not evil. If it were acknowledged enough to be explained or discussed, they might have to acknowledge that it is not a sin. 

demgirl

I also wonder what the "inappropriate advances" were. I don't know, because she goes into no detail, but in some of these fundie families, the Christian side-hug rules, and even a full frontal boy-girl hug could be considered an inappropriate advance.

Latraviata

'I just cannot imagine punishing my son for every pubescent erection that occurs and blaming it on his lack of willpower. Wow. Srsly where is dad in all this? Can he not explain that males wake up like this?'

Well, If dad is not around to explain it to them, why cannot mum??

Apparantly my (adolescent) sons suffered from a chronic lack of willpower LOL!!

For one thing I am very grateful, my (unmarried) 28 year old son was not a virgin when he passed away last year.

eaglemom

The inappropriate sexual stuff made me so sad. Maybe Lovelie was sexually abused, or maybe she'd been institutionalized so long that she had developed some self-soothing techniques that involved masturbation, Maybe Emma's "Mr. Inventor/Professor" was curious about a taboo subject in his house and he initiated the contact. Maybe poor Lovelie had only ever been given positive attention from men/boys if she pleased them sexually. Or, just as likely, Mr. Professor woke up with a boner and Emma's crazy mind blamed it on one of her favorite scapegoats. Who knows? Whatever happened I'm sure Emma's intervention made it much, much worse.

WHERE IS LOVELIE NOW?

Hane.engrishmessageb...

dirtyhippiegirl wrote:

One of my mom's last foster kids was a black baby. His birth mom did meth. Jesus Christ, wouldn't let that happen to my worst enemy. But yeah. Cool story, bro:

Family A wanted to adopt this kid. They were whitey-white-white. Did very very well on home visits however. Meth baby, now nearly three years old, needed structure and discipline which he received from said family.

Family B wanted to adopt this kid and all eight of his siblings, none of which he'd ever met (being taken at birth) and of course none of them had ever met him. Family B was also black and very, very, very religious. There were numerous issues with this family *not* returning the kid back to my mom on time (Jesus time ran over), and the baby often returning with bruises etc. on him. My mom reported this.

Family B ended up adopting all eight kids because they were black and willing to take a sibling group.

Family B ended up having to give up custody of all kids once it was realized that they beat the holy living hell out of the adoptive kids (duh) because Jesus told them to. I believe they were Baptists.

Family A had already adopted another kid by that time and last I heard, nearly five years later, child is still in the system.

/csb

This makes me want to freaking cry.

Anyone with a brain would understand that successful transracial adoption requires an extra layer of sensitivity and awareness.

However, a generation ago, there was a very strong prejudice, by many American black social workers, against white parents adopting black children.  Some went as far as calling it "cultural genocide," assuming that white adoptive parents were incapable of instilling appropriate ethnic pride in their children.  I remember reading an article in "Ebony" including interviews of black adults who had been adopted in childhood by white parents.  The overwhelming tone of the article was "My parents kinda tried, but they never really 'got it,' and I always felt 'different.'"

In the late seventies, a white couple I know (they lived in either Pennsylvania or Massachusetts at the time--can't remember) was looking to adopt, and was open to adopting an older child and/or one of color.   They were told flat-out that they would not be allowed to adopt a black child (even though they had hosted numerous Fresh Air Fund kinds during summer vacations).  When the husband asked the (black) social worker, "Why?  Are there sufficient numbers of prospective black adoptive families?", she hung up on him.

As other posters have pointed out, many American children of all ethnicities spend far too long in the foster system, often because the courts are trying to give biological parents adequate time to straighten out their problems and family situations enough to be decent parents. 

My sister, a clinical social worker, dealt with a difficult situation:  She had a client who was mentally ill and a drug addict, and who had a baby who was placed in a foster home.  After the baby was born, she did everything the judge demanded she do in order not to have her parental rights terminated:  she complied with rehab and counseling, became clean and sober, and basically straightened out her act.  She KNEW that, owing to her mental illness, she would not be an adequate full-time parent, and asked to have a competent relative made her child's permanent guardian.  Meanwhile, the baby's foster mother and social worker were working behind the scenes to "work the system," fudging facts and documentation to make it seem as if the biological mother wasn't complying with the judge's orders, to fix things so that the foster mother could adopt the baby.

My sister was able to prove that her client was compliant with the judge's orders, was acting in the best interests of her child, and that the relative who wanted to assume guardianship would be an excellent parent to the baby.

So, the foster care system can sometimes be a mess.

Koala

eaglemom wrote:

WHERE IS LOVELIE NOW?

IF the media gets involved in this situation, I hope that we will find out where this little girl is.  I get a knot in my stomach every time someone mentions it. 

Emma is so GD obnoxious and out there about EVERYTHING else, I just can't understand why she is radio silent about Lovelie.

Someone said that Lovelie was in the house after Justus left.  Can you imagine how scared she must have been?  Knowing Justus was gone, and not knowing what was going to happen to her.  Knowing that she was at the mercy of people who were going to give her away.

Emma's comment about the kids laughing in her face while she tried to "administer training" made my heart ache.  She hadn't even adopted them yet, and she was already starting the abuse.  It horrifies me to think of what those children were put through during their time with Emma.

And the pictures Emma took of herself with her cell phone?  What was she trying to prove?  That she's just as crazy and deranged looking as she sounds?

fundiefan

Koala wrote:

IF the media gets involved in this situation, I hope that we will find out where this little girl is.  I get a knot in my stomach every time someone mentions it. 

Emma is so GD obnoxious and out there about EVERYTHING else, I just can't understand why she is radio silent about Lovelie.

Someone said that Lovelie was in the house after Justus left.  Can you imagine how scared she must have been?  Knowing Justus was gone, and not knowing what was going to happen to her.  Knowing that she was at the mercy of people who were going to give her away.

Emma's comment about the kids laughing in her face while she tried to "administer training" made my heart ache.  She hadn't even adopted them yet, and she was already starting the abuse.  It horrifies me to think of what those children were put through during their time with Emma.

And the pictures Emma took of herself with her cell phone?  What was she trying to prove?  That she's just as crazy and deranged looking as she sounds?

The remark about them laughing when she administered training (what the hell is administering training, anyway?) saddened me but what tore my heart in pieces was when she first 'forgot' to say good-bye to them then went back to the car and they were crying - she said she forgave them and the adoption was in God's hands. What a scum sucking piece of crap she is. The entire story of that pre-adoption visit made me ill; every last word of it. 

VVV

(what the hell is administering training, anyway?)

Beating.

RAD MYTH

A commenter wrote, "Oh my goodness... I'm certainly glad that you weren't in charge of doing my homestudy!

Truthfully, I think children are much more attuned to and respond positively to the KIND and NURTURING. In my experience, a parent's level of attractiveness (which is highly subjective and culturally based anyway)"

BINGO!

That's what I'm talking about. Attractiveness being "culturally based".

You can't expect Black Haitian kids who were born and raised (up til adoption point) in a majority Black country to expect a White face and Fundie-Anglo-American Harridan behaviour to be "familiar and comfortable" AT ALL.

This Christine woman posted videos on Youtube of her rollling on the kitchen floor holding her Haitian daughter down (that's called "holding thereapy" in Quack Land), while looking straight into the camera for the world to see what a great "Therapeutic Parent" she is.

The look on that little Black girls face is like, "dis bi*ch be crazy, yo" ............... it really is a brilliant social commentary into the perils of modern western society.

Now you tell me - why on earth would you want the entire world to see you performing "holding therapy" on your child?

What exactly is the purpose of chronicalling a child's personal life online?

Christine swears by "therapeutic parenting".

I beg of the readers, please research this quackery.

Its all very, very sick.

Clementinee.freekatie

I haven't read all the pages in this thread yet, so... what language did they use to talk to the kids? Do the parents speak French or Creole?

cassandra

"

This Christine woman posted videos on Youtube of her rollling on the kitchen floor holding her Haitian daughter down (that's called "holding thereapy" in Quack Land), while looking straight into the camera for the world to see what a great "Therapeutic Parent" she is.

The look on that little Black girls face is like, "dis bi*ch be crazy, yo" ............... it really is a brilliant social commentary into the perils of modern western society.

"

Do you know what's brilliant social commentary? You imposing poor grammar and foul language on a black child. Imposing the speech pattern associated with inner city AMERICAN kids on a little girl from Haiti. Look in the damn mirror before you start talking about inter-racial, transnational, adoption and a lack of cultural understanding.

LilMissMetaphor

Thank you cassandra! I thought I noticed something similar to that on this or one of the other threads he's spamming.

Marchpane

Clementinee wrote:

I haven't read all the pages in this thread yet, so... what language did they use to talk to the kids? Do the parents speak French or Creole?

I was just about to ask that, Clementinee. How quickly were the children expected to be able to speak and understand English, I wonder? It must have been very hard for them not be be able to communicate with the new adults in their lives.  

RAD MYTH

Yes, because using slang is so much worse than abusive holding therapy and exposing the personal life of a minor to the entire world via video.

Isn't that what Emma thought too when "her" little Haitian girl was using the "f" word?

For those who ask, "where is Daddy in all of this?"

Doesn't matter.

The irony of these "patriarchal" fundie homes is that they are ruled by the iron fist of harridan yentas.

The fathers have no say. They are sperm donars for bio kids and financial donars for adoptive kids and that's about the extent of it.

Both Emma and Christine have chronicled how hard their husbands work, all the long hours, so that these nutters can stay at home and blog and video-log their "therapeutic parenting" all day long for the world to see.

Therapeutic parenting?

LOL.

Really?

LilMissMetaphor

RAD MYTH wrote:

Yes, because using slang is so much worse than abusive holding therapy and exposing the personal life of a minor to the entire world via video.

Isn't that what Emma thought too when "her" little Haitian girl was using the "f" word?

For those who ask, "where is Daddy in all of this?"

Doesn't matter.

The irony of these "patriarchal" fundie homes is that they are ruled by the iron fist of harridan yentas.

The fathers have no say. They are sperm donars for bio kids and financial donars for adoptive kids and that's about the extent of it.

Both Emma and Christine have chronicled how hard their husbands work, all the long hours, so that these nutters can stay at home and blog and video-log their "therapeutic parenting" all day long for the world to see.

Therapeutic parenting?

LOL.

Really?

Are you Mark Dreher?

You're starting to sound a lot like him.

But he is not Jesus.

And neither are you.

LOL.

Really.

  

RAD MYTH

Never heard of Mark Dreher.

I've got nothing to do with Jesus either.

Lissar

RAD MYTH wrote:

Yes, because using slang is so much worse than abusive holding therapy and exposing the personal life of a minor to the entire world via video.

Isn't that what Emma thought too when "her" little Haitian girl was using the "f" word?

For those who ask, "where is Daddy in all of this?"

Doesn't matter.

The irony of these "patriarchal" fundie homes is that they are ruled by the iron fist of harridan yentas.

The fathers have no say. They are sperm donars for bio kids and financial donars for adoptive kids and that's about the extent of it.

Both Emma and Christine have chronicled how hard their husbands work, all the long hours, so that these nutters can stay at home and blog and video-log their "therapeutic parenting" all day long for the world to see.

Therapeutic parenting?

LOL.

Really?

Re: what you're calling slang - what you typed came across as racist. Abuse is wrong, racism is wrong. Both things can be wrong.

Are you for real picking on Jewish women now? Newsflash, all Jewish women are not shrill harpies. I don't appreciate what you're implying. I think you need to simmer down. It sounds like you have a problem with women in general, with all this talk of "harridans" etc. 

  

cassandra

RAD MYTH wrote:

Yes, because using slang is so much worse than abusive holding therapy and exposing the personal life of a minor to the entire world via video.

It's not the use of slang, it's the inherent racism behind the slang coupled with the hypocrisy of you making cultural misunderstandings while grinding an axe about others doing the same.

TerrieES

RAD MYTH is great proof that, for every extremist, there's someone on the other end of the spectrum to balance them out.

RAD MYTH

Racism? Anti-Semitism? Are you people for real?

Just goes to show us - - people who think "yo, dis bi*ch be crazy" is racist and not mainstream youth slang across virtually all Western demographics have no business involving themselves in trans-racial adoptions.

That's another issue - trans-generational adoption...

If you're going to adopt someone young enough to be your grand-child, please, please, please keep up to date with the latest changes in society and culture.

Again, if any of you overly-sensitve adoptive parents and wannabe adopters would bother reading the blogs and forums of kids and adults who have been adopted, you'd be well aware that all the things I talk about here are REAL ISSUES TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ADOPTED.

Moving on, I don't know what the policy here is regarding linking to websites. It appears everyone is using dotcom instead of a direct link. Is there are a reason for that? If it's policy then I won't leave direct links. Let me know.

I went over to Christines "Welcome To My Brain" (really?) website. Yeah, she lives all in her head.

Check this doozy out from her post entitled: Christine's Day of Therapeutic Parenting

"Today was thick, thick, THICK with sit-down discussions. Okay, so the whole week has been."

Oh lawdy lawd!

This woman spends all her time trying to have "discussions about feelings" with her kids. A real contemporary Anna Freud we got on our hands here folks!

I think she should be the one to get a job and go to work and let her husband raise these kids.

Men are less likely to follow their kids around all day begging them to "let it all out" and then psycho-analyse each and every eye-blink on a blog and video themselves rolling around on a kitchen floor during a "therapeutic holding session" and post it on Youtube.

Welcome to my brain?

Indeed.

fundfugee

Koala wrote:

And the pictures Emma took of herself with her cell phone?  What was she trying to prove?  That she's just as crazy and deranged looking as she sounds?

no joke.  She was whining about how terrible her life was the day the kid arrived.  She had adenovirus! It hurt her eyes!  Wah!!

Seriously.  Adenovirus = common cold.  Yes, bad for her newborn.  But for her?  Really?  That is her excuse for not liking her new kids?  I had a cold!  I couldn't like the Haitian kids!  It was bad from day one!  Send them away!

oscar

LilMissMetaphor wrote:

Are you Mark Dreher?

You're starting to sound a lot like him.

But he is not Jesus.

And neither are you.

LOL.

Really.

At least.

Mark Dreher.

Is staying.

In his own.

thread.

Lissar

RAD MYTH wrote:

Racism? Anti-Semitism? Are you people for real?

Just goes to show us - - people who think "yo, dis bi*ch be crazy" is racist and not mainstream youth slang across virtually all Western demographics have no business involving themselves in trans-racial adoptions.

That's another issue - trans-generational adoption...

If you're going to adopt someone young enough to be your grand-child, please, please, please keep up to date with the latest changes in society and culture.

Again, if any of you overly-sensitve adoptive parents and wannabe adopters would bother reading the blogs and forums of kids and adults who have been adopted, you'd be well aware that all the things I talk about here are REAL ISSUES TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ADOPTED.

Moving on, I don't know what the policy here is regarding linking to websites. It appears everyone is using dotcom instead of a direct link. Is there are a reason for that? If it's policy then I won't leave direct links. Let me know.

I went over to Christines "Welcome To My Brain" (really?) website. Yeah, she lives all in her head.

Check this doozy out from her post entitled: Christine's Day of Therapeutic Parenting

"Today was thick, thick, THICK with sit-down discussions. Okay, so the whole week has been."

Oh lawdy lawd!

This woman spends all her time trying to have "discussions about feelings" with her kids. A real contemporary Anna Freud we got on our hands here folks!

I think she should be the one to get a job and go to work and let her husband raise these kids.

Men are less likely to follow their kids around all day begging them to "let it all out" and then psycho-analyse each and every eye-blink on a blog and video themselves rolling around on a kitchen floor during a "therapeutic holding session" and post it on Youtube.

Welcome to my brain?

Indeed.

Do I for real care about racism and anti-semitism? Yes. 

You seem to be under the misapprehension that this forum is about adoption. It isn't. There are some adoptive and prospective adoptive parents here. There are probably far more of us who have no intention to adopt. Perhaps you should be having this discussion on a forum that is about adoption.  

RAD MYTH

Ironic that I'm the one accused of "racism" for typing, "yo dis b*tch be crazy" - when its you people who assumed such slang belongs to inner city Blacks. LOL!

Out of touch, much?

jaelh

RAD MYTH wrote:

Ironic that I'm the one accused of "racism" for typing, "yo dis b*tch be crazy" - when its you people who assumed such slang belongs to inner city Blacks. LOL!

Out of touch, much?

Just out of curiosity - how old are you, that you're so in touch?

OnceModestTwiceShy

"Men are less likely to follow their kids around all day begging them to "let it all out" and then psycho-analyse each and every eye-blink on a blog and video themselves rolling around on a kitchen floor during a "therapeutic holding session" and post it on Youtube."

Oh, goody. Thank you, RADMYTH, for reminding us that you don't have to be a fundie to have the amazing skill of always being able to blame everything on the woman/mother.

Beeks

Am I the only one who can't find the video you've all talked so much about? I am super curious

MuseMama

OFFS Rad Myth, adoption can be done poorly. I won't argue that. It can also be done well.

First you accuse Christine of using hold therapy, which you pointed out has been largely discredited and has hurt, even killed, children.

Then when you read that she's not holding her daughter, but instead talking to her about her feelings, that's wrong too.

WTF is she supposed to do? Whether or not her daughter has RAD, she was adopted as an older child, cross culturally and cross racially. She was a traumatized kid. She's bound to have some difficulty with attachment and adjustment. Even after as many years as she's been a part of that family. So, Christine actually takes the time to talk to her about these things, work with her, help her adjust, and be a part of a family who loves her, and you find fault with that too.

Tell the truth. You oppose adoption. You come in here using language that is racist, sexist, and yes even antisemitic. There's not one of these situations that you approve of because you don't like adoption. You'd rather let these kids rot somewhere than provide them with loving homes.

I'm so glad you don't make the rules.

And, fwiw, I'm not adopted, I haven't adopted, and I don't plan to adopt. But I have loved many people who've been involved in adoption as the child, bio-parent, and adoptive parent.

Effie

chengdu wrote:

Truthfully (and speaking from experience here), kids wants love, stability, and caring grownups to look after them. They are not looking at race. It is the racist grownups around them that think black must go with black, and white with white.

Well, we are all the same race. Genetically speaking, race doesn't exist in humans. We are all homo sapiens - sapiens.

Sola

RAD MYTH wrote:

Racism? Anti-Semitism? Are you people for real?

Just goes to show us - - people who think "yo, dis bi*ch be crazy" is racist and not mainstream youth slang across virtually all Western demographics have no business involving themselves in trans-racial adoptions.

That's another issue - trans-generational adoption...

If you're going to adopt someone young enough to be your grand-child, please, please, please keep up to date with the latest changes in society and culture.

Again, if any of you overly-sensitve adoptive parents and wannabe adopters would bother reading the blogs and forums of kids and adults who have been adopted, you'd be well aware that all the things I talk about here are REAL ISSUES TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ADOPTED.

Moving on, I don't know what the policy here is regarding linking to websites. It appears everyone is using dotcom instead of a direct link. Is there are a reason for that? If it's policy then I won't leave direct links. Let me know.

I went over to Christines "Welcome To My Brain" (really?) website. Yeah, she lives all in her head.

Check this doozy out from her post entitled: Christine's Day of Therapeutic Parenting

"Today was thick, thick, THICK with sit-down discussions. Okay, so the whole week has been."

Oh lawdy lawd!

This woman spends all her time trying to have "discussions about feelings" with her kids. A real contemporary Anna Freud we got on our hands here folks!

I think she should be the one to get a job and go to work and let her husband raise these kids.

Men are less likely to follow their kids around all day begging them to "let it all out" and then psycho-analyse each and every eye-blink on a blog and video themselves rolling around on a kitchen floor during a "therapeutic holding session" and post it on Youtube.

Welcome to my brain?

Indeed.

Rad, what has been your personal experience with regard to RAD and adoption?  Have you adopted a child with RAD who was previously abandoned by another adopted parent?  Have you worked with RAD kids?  Do you have RAD yourself?

I only ask because you really, really seem to have got a bee in your bonnet about transracial adoption and RAD.

Many, many people here agree with your sentiments with regard to Emma but the way you are coming across is that all transracial adoption is wrong and RAD is a myth caused by crappy adoptive parenting.  It makes me wonder what is your personal experience of this if you don't mind me asking.

RAD MYTH

So a person growing up in a family that uses a lot of Yiddish words is "anti-semitic" for using "yenta".

Okaaaaaaaaaaaay.

Lemme guess MuseMama, you don't know that many Jewish people do you?

You also, somehow, are unaware that "yo" and "dis" is commonplace, mainstream slang these days.

Sexist? What can I say? I'm a woman myself, and a Feminist. However, one thing that became appearant to me as I watched hour after hour of videos and read hour after hour of these Stay At Home Blogger's (oops Moms!) websites, is that they are following their kids around, videotaping them, hoping they will "flip out" on screen to prove to the rest of us how "broken" these kids are, when the ones who need "help" are these women with TOO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS!

My opinion is that these kids would be better off put in an actual school while their Moms go to work and leave these kids alone TO JUST BE KIDS.

These women are Type A, Extroverted, Obsessive-Compulsive types who simply will not relent.

Have they ever considered that kids have a way of "processing" their emotions all their own?

That their kids might be INTROVERTED instead of extroverted?

Another thing that becomes clear when reading their websites - Christine and other Moms like her admitted that their husbands have a different way of dealing with the kids - one of "action" rather than overly emotional psychobabble.

And they say - "the kids respond positively to that".

Yeah - DUH!

Parenthood + internet technology = a recipe for disaster that is appearantly in the very wrong hands.

luckylibrarian

Am I on FJ, or did I stumble on a site about adoption?

And here I was convinced RAD MYTH was a man....

MuseMama

RAD MYTH wrote:

So a person growing up in a family that uses a lot of Yiddish words is "anti-semitic" for using "yenta".

Okaaaaaaaaaaaay.

Lemme guess MuseMama, you don't know that many Jewish people do you?

You also, somehow, are unaware that "yo" and "dis" is commonplace, mainstream slang these days.

Sexist? What can I say? I'm a woman myself, and a Feminist. However, one thing that became appearant to me as I watched hour after hour of videos and read hour after hour of these Stay At Home Blogger's (oops Moms!) websites, is that they are following their kids around, videotaping them, hoping they will "flip out" on screen to prove to the rest of us how "broken" these kids are, when the ones who need "help" are these women with TOO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS!

My opinion is that these kids would be better off put in an actual school while their Moms go to work and leave these kids alone TO JUST BE KIDS.

These women are Type A, Extroverted, Obsessive-Compulsive types who simply will not relent.

Have they ever considered that kids have a way of "processing" their emotions all their own?

That their kids might be INTROVERTED instead of extroverted?

Another thing that becomes clear when reading their websites - Christine and other Moms like her admitted that their husbands have a different way of dealing with the kids - one of "action" rather than overly emotional psychobabble.

And they say - "the kids respond positively to that".

Yeah - DUH!

Parenthood + internet technology = a recipe for disaster that is appearantly in the very wrong hands.

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:Just goes to show us - - people who think "yo, dis bi*ch be crazy" is racist and not mainstream youth slang across virtually all Western demographics have no business involving themselves in trans-racial adoptions."

Look, you keep saying and saying and saying and sayiing and saying and saying that these kids didn't speak English. That these kids aren't culturally American. So they would not be thinking this you dope. You are projecting your own thoughts on to this child AND you keep saying that it is wrong of Emma to do that very thing. You can't have it both ways. And FWIW, I have actual "youths" that I know and I have never ever heard them say that or use slang like that. And no, they aren't all white. See, thered's your cultural misconceptions.

I suspect that transracial adoption may be getting easier because as a culture we are getting used to families not having the same last name, skin color or even religion. My family is multiracial and multicultural, and so what? people can get over it if they stop projecting their fantasies onto others.

RAD MYTH

Sola -

Since you asked, Reactive Attachment Disorder is something that has few and very specific symptoms and can only be diagnosed by a healthcare professional like a psychiatrist or psychologist. If you would like to read more about how this condition is being misdiagnosed by unprofessionals, see my 2 links at the bottom my the very first post here;

http://freejinger.yuku.co...orture-Death-of-Children

Beeks -

Since you asked for videos, go here;

http://www.welcometomybrain.net/2011/06/could-someone-please-tell-me-to-shut-up.html

"Could someone please tell me to shut up?" LOL. I'm sure her kids would love to.

Interesting how she admits she has "neurological funk" (she's neurotic? who woulda thought?).

She has a Youtube channel that, used to at least, have a lot of "material" to work with, but she may have deleted many videos after coming under fire for exposing very personal dealings with her kids, I don't know. I no longer have the link to her Youtube channel but she may have posted it on her website OR may have uploaded those videos directly to her site, so you can just go there and find out.

deelaem

My garden is really coming along nicely. Anyone else out there growing a garden this year?

persuaded

deelaem... i just planted some new flower beds this year. They mostly just have annuals now, but I hope to gradually add more and more perennials over the next few years. The really exciting thing I'm doing though is adding some grape vines and raspberry canes. I can't wait to make jam from my own produce!

Interested to hear what everyone else is planting...

RAD MYTH

" Yes, I know many Jewish people.  I've spent my childhood going to Temple on Friday and church on Sunday.  It's not that you're using a Yiddish word, it's that you're using it in a derogatory fashion. "

Lady, do you even know what "yenta" means?

It IS a derogatory word.

My f*cking g-d, get a damn clue.

RAD MYTH

Beeks!

I found her Youtube channel again afterall.

Start with this particularly vindictive and heartbreaking video where she lays out to the entire world everything that is wrong and "broken" with her adopted Haitian daughter;

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=christinemoers#p/u/22/CKFnmQ2DpB4

deelaem

persuaded wrote:

deelaem... i just planted some new flower beds this year. They mostly just have annuals now, but I hope to gradually add more and more perennials over the next few years. The really exciting thing I'm doing though is adding some grape vines and raspberry canes. I can't wait to make jam from my own produce!

Interested to hear what everyone else is planting…

That's so cool - I really hope to grow grapes soon, you'll have to tell me how they work out. Right now I have pole beans, watermelon, tomatoes, peppers, corn and cucumbers. I plan on doing a ton of canning. We also planted two apple trees this year, which I'm babying along because I really want them to work. 

I have trouble with my flower beds, due to my clumsy German Shepherd plowing through them every time she sees a squirrel! LOL

InkyGirl

I tried my hand at gardening, but I pretty much hate the outside so.... I need some plants that I can grow indoors. Any ideas?

Sola

RAD MYTH wrote:

Sola -

Since you asked, Reactive Attachment Disorder is something that has few and very specific symptoms and can only be diagnosed by a healthcare professional like a psychiatrist or psychologist. If you would like to read more about how this condition is being misdiagnosed by unprofessionals, see my 2 links at the bottom my the very first post here;

http://freejinger.yuku.co...orture-Death-of-Children

Beeks -

Since you asked for videos, go here;

http://www.welcometomybra...-tell-me-to-shut-up.html

"Could someone please tell me to shut up?" LOL. I'm sure her kids would love to.

Interesting how she admits she has "neurological funk" (she's neurotic? who woulda thought?).

She has a Youtube channel that, used to at least, have a lot of "material" to work with, but she may have deleted many videos after coming under fire for exposing very personal dealings with her kids, I don't know. I no longer have the link to her Youtube channel but she may have posted it on her website OR may have uploaded those videos directly to her site, so you can just go there and find out.

I'm an Educational Psychologist.  I know what RAD is.

I asked what was YOUR connection to RAD and transracial adoption.

Mompom

I have got tomatoes, a pepper, lots of herbs, a couple of lettuce mixes, and radishes... oh and sunflowers, nasturtiums, and a sunny flower mix.  Always have to have flowers in my veggie garden.

Another topic I've been wondering about... what are your favorite bath products.  I'm such a bath product junkie... I love Crabtree and Evelyn, Lush, L Occitane, The Body Shop, B and B works, H2O... Are there any fabulous ones I need to stockpile?  

deelaem

InkyGirl wrote:

I tried my hand at gardening, but I pretty much hate the outside so.... I need some plants that I can grow indoors. Any ideas?

Yes, trying getting a window box and planting herbs. They're pretty easy to grow, and they smell wonderful. 

InkyGirl

Epically Epic on estsy has some great bath products!

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Raine

Another thing that becomes clear when reading their websites - Christine and other Moms like her admitted that their husbands have a different way of dealing with the kids - one of "action" rather than overly emotional psychobabble.

If you had any interest in this site, or any clue what it is about, then you'd realize that when most of the parents we discuss her talk about father's dealing with behavior problems through "action" they mean beating them. I guess that's so much better than talking, in your book, since it's not being done by a woman.

RAD MYTH wrote:

Lady, do you even know what "yenta" means?

It IS a derogatory word.

So why use it? If you were as feminist as you claimed you'd realize that using gendered slurs is sexist and unnecessary.

Whether or not not your family uses a lot of Yiddish slang doesn't make a difference.

It'd be like running around calling people ethnic slurs and then saying, "oh, sorry, I grew up in a racist family, so I'm allowed to call people those things".

InkyGirl

deelaem wrote:

Yes, trying getting a window box and planting herbs. They're pretty easy to grow, and they smell wonderful. 

I've thought about that. Do they require a lot of care? I'm terribly mean to plants (not watering them on time, etc) and so need something very hardy.

jaelh

InkyGirl wrote:

I've thought about that. Do they require a lot of care? I'm terribly mean to plants (not watering them on time, etc) and so need something very hardy.

Herbs are wonderful!  And you can get those fab window boxes with a water reservoir underneath, which goes a long way towards saving them

They're also fab to toss a handful into dinner at night- pasta with fresh basil and a little olive oil is divine, and wonderfully cheap when you're providing the herbs!

Oh the flowers!  We're in winter over here; we have a few beautiful dark blue/purple lobelias, and a tomato plant that just isn't giving till the last fruit is ripe (as it's on my back patio area and directly in the line of vision every time I look outside, I'm rather looking forward to that day, its rather sorry looking at this point - but the fruit!  YUM! and sweet!)

I love, love,love, love flowers.  Love!

MuseMama

RAD MYTH wrote:

" Yes, I know many Jewish people.  I've spent my childhood going to Temple on Friday and church on Sunday.  It's not that you're using a Yiddish word, it's that you're using it in a derogatory fashion. "

Lady, do you even know what "yenta" means?

It IS a derogatory word.

My f*cking g-d, get a damn clue.

While Yenta can mean busybody or gossip, it's also the word for matchmaker.  FFS, get over yourself already.

RAD MYTH

If you were as feminist as you claimed you'd realize that using gendered slurs is sexist and unnecessary.

Not aware of "Slut Walk" then, are you?

As far as gardening today I picked this;

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=chr ... KFnmQ2DpB4

and this

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=chr ... DAALaVG27k

and this

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=chr ... Hf4myTcIo8

but the fruit I really wanted to share with you has mysteriously disappeared - I wonder why?

Kathryn31

MuseMama wrote:

While Yenta can mean busybody or gossip, it's also the word for matchmaker.  FFS, get over yourself already.

The door is over there---->.  Click on the "X" in your upper right hand corner and it will close behind you.

My garden is frying in the heat.  Both of my planters have dead flowers and that normally doesn't happen until July or August.  My daylillies look fabulous though. 

If you have an Ulta near you try their brand of lipstain.  It works better than lipstick because...it stains. 

gracegrace

I'm not much of a gardener; didn't inherit the green thumb that runs in the rest of my family. But I lovelove farmer's markets. Locally grown veggies are the best! We had the first cherry tomatoes of the season today.

Beeks

ok, I do not for one second believe that radmyth is a jewish woman, as s/he tried to imply.

thoughtful

luckylibrarian wrote:

Am I on FJ, or did I stumble on a site about adoption?

And here I was convinced RAD MYTH was a man....

I wonder if V.S Naipaul would have known.

valsa

I don't believe he is a woman either.

Or that he knows a damn thing about slang. Or racism. Or RAD. Or adoption (transracially, transculturally, or otherwise)

Also, I've read plenty of blogs written by bitter transracial/cultural adoptees. And guess what? I've read just as many blogs, if not more, from bitter adoptees who weren't transracially or transculturally adopted. Most adoptees come from traumatic pasts. In some cases, they're legitimately bitter because of their adoptive parents' lack of understanding (of being an adoptee in general, not always about race or culture) Sometimes, they're just bitter because children with traumatic pasts can turn out to be troubled adults (which can happen to people who are adopted or not. A lot of blogs I read include people who are bitter about the way their bio parents raised them)

As for gardening... I dream of having a veggie garden but I hate the outdoors (I get a rash from sunlight and I loathe bugs) I want a little greenhouse one day.

lovefromgirl

valsa wrote:

Also, I've read plenty of blogs written by bitter transracial/cultural adoptees. And guess what? I've read just as many blogs, if not more, from bitter adoptees who weren't transracially or transculturally adopted. Most adoptees come from traumatic pasts. In some cases, they're legitimately bitter because of their adoptive parents' lack of understanding (of being an adoptee in general, not always about race or culture) Sometimes, they're just bitter because children with traumatic pasts can turn out to be troubled adults (which can happen to people who are adopted or not. A lot of blogs I read include people who are bitter about the way their bio parents raised them).

This. My dad was... not quite legally adopted, but it was the fifties and these things happened. His adoptive mother beat the crap out of him on a regular basis; his adoptive father stood back and let her. His bio mom skipped town and was never seen/heard from again; his bio dad was out philandering his way through Western New York. Everyone involved was Whitey McWhiterson, including my dad. It's not a cure-all. You can still wind up, as he did, with a family in which psychosis (and I do mean the kind that gets medicated into submission these days) runs rampant. Your bio parents can still be the worse option.

As for the gardening: I would like to do herbs in pots this year, so I can set them out in good weather and bring them in when we get our first good frosts. You know, sometime in late October. I am also sad that my Midsummer roses died; they were these great, glorious blooms in bright fuchsia. Yum.

Mompom

RAD MYTH wrote:

Not aware of "Slut Walk" then, are you?

As far as gardening today I picked this;

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=chr ... KFnmQ2DpB4

and this

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=chr ... DAALaVG27k

and this

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=chr ... Hf4myTcIo8

but the fruit I really wanted to share with you has mysteriously disappeared - I wonder why?

Wow, I watched a lot of her videos based on your recommendation and I LOVE her!  She's fantastic!  

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=chr ... DAALaVG27k

This one was especially good.

NothingLeftToLose

Has anyone tried the new crackle finish nail polish?

Looks like it would make a sweet pedicure

MuseMama

Wow, I've gotten to use ignore here for the very first time. I have such a hard time disengaging, I'm taking some of the difficulty out of it for myself. I already feel better.

emmiedahl

I found this thread late and it took me the better part of an afternoon to read it. Thank you to the people who involved children's services.

I plan to adopt internationally someday (so the child will probably be a different race, yeah) and I know about RAD, as well as the more mundane issues that come up. I certainly will educate myself more as we near an actual adoption. Like Emma should have. I don't expect the kid(s) to be grateful; I made a freaking volcano that changed color as it erupted (!!!!) today and my children were not grateful. Children feel entitled to love and care because they are entitled to love and care.

My sister has the crackle polish and luvs it. Please, let's not talk gardening when people troll because I have an epic black thumb. Can I offer:

tumblr_lkexl1slUV1qdpocto1_400.jpg

This sums up my feelings about the blogger in question.

thisolgirl

Mompom wrote:

I have got tomatoes, a pepper, lots of herbs, a couple of lettuce mixes, and radishes... oh and sunflowers, nasturtiums, and a sunny flower mix.  Always have to have flowers in my veggie garden.

Another topic I've been wondering about... what are your favorite bath products.  I'm such a bath product junkie... I love Crabtree and Evelyn, Lush, L Occitane, The Body Shop, B and B works, H2O... Are there any fabulous ones I need to stockpile?  

Funny you should mention you're a "bath product junkie", Mompom. There's a store called Bath Junkie, and I'm kind of in love with it. You get to mix your own scents and add the scent to whatever--bodywash, lotion, shampoo. I went with their pre-mixed scents--Dreamscicle scented lotion, bodywash, etc. and an all-purpose household cleaner in their "woodstock" scent--heavy on the patchouli! You can order their stuff online if you can't find a store in your area.

I love Lush as well, but I don't go there often. I always end up spending waaaay more than I should.

RAD MYTH

Funny that people on this site think I'm a man. Most other sites where I post people think my writing style is "typically female" as they say.

Interesting.

Nevertheless whether I'm male, female or transgendered has no bearing at all on the topic.

Mompom

thisolgirl wrote:

Funny you should mention you're a "bath product junkie", Mompom. There's a store called Bath Junkie, and I'm kind of in love with it. You get to mix your own scents and add the scent to whatever--bodywash, lotion, shampoo. I went with their pre-mixed scents--Dreamscicle scented lotion, bodywash, etc. and an all-purpose household cleaner in their "woodstock" scent--heavy on the patchouli! You can order their stuff online if you can't find a store in your area.

I love Lush as well, but I don't go there often. I always end up spending waaaay more than I should. 

OooooooH!  Thank you for the referral.  I will peruse with pleasure.  

Lissar

RAD MYTH wrote:

Funny that people on this site think I'm a man. Most other sites where I post people think my writing style is "typically female" as they say.

Interesting.

Nevertheless whether I'm male, female or transgendered has no bearing at all on the topic. 

You're a dude, you're a liar, you're a sexist, you're a racist, and you're a quack. Bless your heart.

Austin

Lissar wrote:

You're a dude, you're a liar, you're a sexist, you're a racist, and you're a quack. Bless your heart. 

I'd say that pretty much cover it!

Lainey.digestioninform...

I still like puffins.

MuseMama

I like puffins too, Lainey.

Jencendiary

WHO NAME CHECKED BATH JUNKIE?

I went to college in the town where the chain started. I may have spent a disproportionate amount of Federal Aid money there to the money I spent in the bookstore. *whistle.*

My personal favorite is apple, pomegranite, and dirt.

Alecto

Jencendiary, did Bath Junkie start in NWA? (And if I am right, you know where I am talking about.)

Mompom

Jencendiary wrote:

WHO NAME CHECKED BATH JUNKIE?

I went to college in the town where the chain started. I may have spent a disproportionate amount of Federal Aid money there to the money I spent in the bookstore. *whistle.*

My personal favorite is apple, pomegranite, and dirt. 

OHmygosh, they have jasmine.  Brings back memories of a vacation my hubby and I took to the south of France with our then toddler boy.  (10 years ago??)  Jasmine was in the air and I thought I could die of delight.  Bath Junkie may be my new favorite retail therapy site.

Jencendiary

Alecto, it did! In a little shop on the square in Fayetteville.

It was originally called Soap Opera, but there was already a store by that name.

Lainey.digestioninform...

MuseMama wrote:

I like puffins too, Lainey. 

Oh, good. *relieved*  Just so long as we're all on the same page about that.

Alecto

Jencendiary wrote:

Alecto, it did! In a little shop on the square in Fayetteville.

It was originally called Soap Opera, but there was already a store by that name. 

I remember when they opened the one in Little Rock. I love it, too. 

Jencendiary

The one in Hot Springs closed. I was sadface. But we have a great natural/organic soapmaker downtown

http://www.bathhousesoap.com/page/page/5069561.htm

The beer soap is brilliant. And I have one of everything in the Bathhouse Couture line. It smells like men's cologne, but it's really good on me anyway.

notsocommon

I make my own soap (melt and pour/glycerine) I loooove it and have way too many favorites!

Jencendiary

I have been dabbling in perfume making. My home looks like a meth lab and smells like a whorehouse.

robertposteschild

I still like traffic lights, especially when they're green.

MuseMama

Jencendiary wrote:

I have been dabbling in perfume making. My home looks like a meth lab and smells like a whorehouse. 

I just spit out my water, laughing.  And I'm trying so hard to stay hydrated! LOL

notsocommon

My hobby room smells something like a whore house! I am thinking I am going to try the apple/pom/dirt blend. I actually have those FOs on hand.

Jencendiary

Better the water come out through the mouth than the nose.

Dirt is my favorite FO note ever, pretty much.

emmiedahl

How does the dirt scent smell? I happen to love the smell of dirt (especially after rain) but would it be offensive to non-dirt lovers?

notsocommon

I have Dirt FO and it smells like...dirt. Like a handfull of good, dirt.

Lainey.digestioninform...

I want a hobby room! Dammit, why wasn't I born a millionaire? I need a bigger house. I swear I do. With a pool. And a hobby room.

What's an FO note?

One time, in Montana, I found this perfume set that was just little vials attached to a card, and it was called "Scent of the Goddess." The vials had a bunch of different essential oils in them (there were 7), and the card had instructions on where to put each of them. They. smelled. divine! I wish I could find that again.

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notsocommon

Lainey, I live in a 100+ year old fixer upper. 4 bedrooms and only 1 kid. That is how I got my 'hobby room.'

Jencendiary

FO = Fragrance Oil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragrance_oil Perfume ingredients are called 'notes' because blah blah complicated metaphor comparing the way scents blend to a chord in music. 

Lainey.digestioninform...

Ohhh, thanks.

notsocommon, I live in a two-bedroom house. One of those boring ones of which there are millions in the same design. I have no kids, but the spare room is a guest room. There's another room downstairs (in the lower level) that could be a bedroom if it tried, but it's a computer room/man cave.

notsocommon

Kick your hubby out of the man cave! :P

I am allowed my room because I sell my soaps and other creations. That, and I claimed it, cleaned it up, painted, hung shelves, etc....hubby won't do that kind of stuff in order to get his own space.

Jecca.downtoearth

Does anyone else have Lush? Apparently it's been in Australia for about 16 years but is also in 46 other countries. http://www.lush.com.au is the website for us wot live downunder. Great products!

keeperrox

Lainey wrote:

One time, in Montana, I found this perfume set that was just little vials attached to a card, and it was called "Scent of the Goddess." The vials had a bunch of different essential oils in them (there were 7), and the card had instructions on where to put each of them. They. smelled. divine! I wish I could find that again.

I wonder if it was some kind of sampler from Lakshmi NYC: http://www.thegoddessline.org/products.html  I've used their Lakshmi and Athena fragrances and I love them.

anniebgood.gumborefugees

There's a place down in Redondo called Soothe Your Soul and they have perfume making classes. I gotten some nice things there. I had an aromatherapy pillow spray by B&BW that they discontinued (BOO HISS) called Warm Milk and Honey. It smelled so good.

I'm not going to plant this year. First of all there is no cleared area until the landlord moves more of his stuff out. I could do topsy turveys but I just don't have the energy.

Jencendiary

Jecca wrote:

Does anyone else have Lush? Apparently it's been in Australia for about 16 years but is also in 46 other countries. http://www.lush.com.au is the website for us wot live downunder. Great products!

Lush used to be really good when they started, but when they got big and company-ish, it seems like they went downhill. Turnover time is very slow, the products don't seem to be as fresh. 

Lainey.digestioninform...

keeperrox wrote:

I wonder if it was some kind of sampler from Lakshmi NYC: http://www.thegoddessline.org/products.html  I've used their Lakshmi and Athena fragrances and I love them.

I don't think that was it, but those do look nice! I think I have the card around somewhere, still. If I could just find the darn thing, I think it names the company on the back.

The scents (let's see if I can remember them all) were: jasmine, spikenard, sandalwood, lavender(maybe?)...hmmm, that's all I can remember.

ETA: I found 6 vials (I'm sure there were 7), but I can't find the card, which is the important part!

Linnea

Getting back to the subject of Emma the Crazed:

Now that her blog is private, I can't go back and find the exact quote. But when she was talking about her adopted daughter's sexual acting-out*, its effect on her bio-son**, and why the whole thing upset her so much, she said something like "I was almost molested three times by a 9-year-old". She's such a bad writer that it's really hard to tell what she means sometimes. When I read that, I thought, "Wait, isn't her adopted daughter only seven?" So was she saying that her bio-son tried to molest her? He's nine, right? Or was she suddenly, in her unclear way, talking about something that had happened during *her* childhood - IOW, "I was almost molested in the past, and therefore this stuff that's happening in the present is very upsetting"? Could she have meant to say "I was almost molested AS a 9-year-old", instead of "BY a 9-year-old"?

* which may have been real, or may have been entirely Emma's projection

** ditto

(As you can probably tell, I have been thinking about this woman and her unfortunate family way too much.)

synchroswimr

I tried Lush, but wasn't a big fan. Now, Basin... Great stuff!!

Lainey and MuseMama, I also still like puffins.

ChunkyBarbie

I remember reading about her almost being molested. It was my impression she was talking about her childhood. The almost offender ( not snarking, just clarifying) was a 9 y/o girl and almost happened like 3 times.

mariolatry

Someone needs to find out what happened to Lovelie before we all get an ulcer.

emmiedahl

I think that the girl was probably just acting normal and that Emma is having a difficult time dealing with her son's puberty. The adopted children are just convenient scapegoats. Honestly? What could a 6yo girl do that would be so appalling? I mean, really? She gives so many TMI play-by-plays that I am sure if there was something to talk about, she'd be talking. That's just my impression, though. No proof or back-up.

mariolatry

She probably just accidently grazed the woman's boob and she freaked the fuck out over it.

Lillybee

Judging from what I picked up from the local TV news story, it appears that these poor children had little to no English. I think the children didn't have a clue as to what she expected from them.

How frightened those children would be living in a strange place with strangers, and not understanding the language.

Lillybee

mariolatry wrote:

She probably just accidently grazed the woman's boob and she freaked the fuck out over it.

The little girl may have hung on to her leg the way children do when they are frightened.

fundiefan

I really think that she read far too many stories of severely traumatized kids online and took their issues and applied them to the kids she decided had the condition she also read too much about on the Internet.

In looking for answers, she created them out of what she read.

I read a lot about RAD in the last few days. And, some of the stories are horrendous. Terrifying. Pathetically sad for all involved.

I came across a video from an old HBO documentary called Child of Rage. It was the hardest thing I think I've ever heard or seen. The little girl was...well, she had every trait of a valid RAD diagnosis, to the utmost level. The 'sex acts' broke my heart and turned my stomach.

I really do think that Emma was looking for a way out, searched the Internet and came across RAD, then attached that to those little kids. In order to keep the focus off her, she had to make them 'monsters' - the most damaged. And because often, sexual abuse accompanies the other horrors that make the child's life traumatic, it is one of the things the traumatized kids USE when out of the situation. So, I honestly believe that Emma read much of what I (and everyone/anyone else) read and chose to attach the traits and affect to those innocent children. (Not that I *know*this. It just seemed the most common element of what I read. I wouldn't dare to suggest that the reading I did online means anything - anything other than I am horrified and terrified for way too many innocent children in the world). 

There was a level of superficiality to everything she said about them. She whined and ranted and raved, but she never went beyond "they have RAD and ruined my life".

thoughtful

emmiedahl wrote:

I think that the girl was probably just acting normal and that Emma is having a difficult time dealing with her son's puberty. The adopted children are just convenient scapegoats. Honestly? What could a 6yo girl do that would be so appalling? I mean, really? She gives so many TMI play-by-plays that I am sure if there was something to talk about, she'd be talking. That's just my impression, though. No proof or back-up.

There's no way to know.

Given the way Emma wrote about those kids, it could have been nothing. But, of course, even if it wasn't, that's no excuse.

I once worked in a school for kids who had severe emotional issues -- just about all of them had been sexually abused. The older kids tended to be very angry. But I remember one very small child who was being friendly with me, and acted very flirtatious, starting to run his hand up my thigh.

I've taught kids forever, and been grabbed and touched and caressed and bumped into just about every way a normal kid can. This was different -- it was creepy.

It was also totally innocent -- innocent in the sense that he was repeating what he'd learned, from some piece of shit who had abused him. If he wanted to earn and/or express affection, that's what he knew to do.

Of course, I blamed the abuser, not the kid or Satan. And I didn't punish him for it.

Whether Lovelie had learned something inappropriate in her early life or was just acting normally is actually a moot point, I think. Emma's reacting as if this child was at fault, was a horrible influence, etc., was the problem.

thoughtful

fundiefan wrote:

I came across a video from an old HBO documentary called Child of Rage. It was the hardest thing I think I've ever heard or seen. The little girl was...well, she had every trait of a valid RAD diagnosis, to the utmost level. The 'sex acts' broke my heart and turned my stomach.

As soon as the RAD discussion started, I remembered seeing the dramatization of that story -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103955/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ5d5VYJ5z4&feature=related

I haven't watched it through again, but, if I remember correctly, it portrayed the child accurately, but also showed a sanitized version of the "holding therapy" working.

fundiefan wrote:

I really think that she read far too many stories of severely traumatized kids online and took their issues and applied them to the kids she decided had the condition she also read too much about on the Internet.

In looking for answers, she created them out of what she read.

I read a lot about RAD in the last few days. And, some of the stories are horrendous. Terrifying. Pathetically sad for all involved.

I came across a video from an old HBO documentary called Child of Rage. It was the hardest thing I think I've ever heard or seen. The little girl was...well, she had every trait of a valid RAD diagnosis, to the utmost level. The 'sex acts' broke my heart and turned my stomach.

I really do think that Emma was looking for a way out, searched the Internet and came across RAD, then attached that to those little kids. In order to keep the focus off her, she had to make them 'monsters' - the most damaged. And because often, sexual abuse accompanies the other horrors that make the child's life traumatic, it is one of the things the traumatized kids USE when out of the situation. So, I honestly believe that Emma read much of what I (and everyone/anyone else) read and chose to attach the traits and affect to those innocent children. (Not that I *know*this. It just seemed the most common element of what I read. I wouldn't dare to suggest that the reading I did online means anything - anything other than I am horrified and terrified for way too many innocent children in the world). 

There was a level of superficiality to everything she said about them. She whined and ranted and raved, but she never went beyond "they have RAD and ruined my life".

I saw the Child of Rage documentary as well. It was horrifying to listen to this tiny 6-year-old talking about the abuse she had endured. At the same time, it was horrifying to hear her talking about the things she'd done to her little brother. Clearly, this was a very sick-- and dangerous-- child. If Emma's kids had been as ill as this girl, I could understand her not wanting them in her home any longer. The other children's lives would have been at risk, as would Emma's and her husband's. But I didn't see anything in Emma's blogs to indicate that either of her Haitian children exhibited homicidal tendencies. Evidently, there was some sexual acting out between the adopted girl and one of the biological sons, but he was older. If, as Emma insisted, the boy was so innocent that he didn't understand what was going on, it doesn't sound like the girl harmed him. Who knows? Maybe he was the instigator and Emma found it easier to blame it on the adopted child. (In the world of fundies, don't the girls always get blamed for this sort of thing anyway?) At any rate, what Emma described was nothing like what's in the Child of Rage documentary, where the little girl sexually tortured her younger brother on a regular basis. (FWIW, the brother was her biological sibling; the children were adopted into the same home.)

I must say, Child of Rage seemed extremely exploitative to me. If that had been my adopted daughter, I would never allow anyone to film her and broadcast it to the world like that. That little girl was a victim of the worst kind of abuse and I feel that she should have been allowed to heal from it privately.

fundiefan

The video tapes of her in the therapist office were private when they were created; they were the therapist's personal tapes. I guess later, the family allowed them to be used for the creation of the documentary after she had made such strides towards healing. The documentary was intended for other adoptive parents and psychologists, initially. From what I read, the little girl really did heal and move on, becoming a nurse and a public speaker, with her mom, and I believe she also wrote a book. Anyway, my understanding is the girl and her mom gave permission after the fact for that information and those taped sessions to be used. Lots of therapists record sessions, so that wasn't really that unusual.

There was nothing mentioned in the six months those kids were in Emma's house about helping them or even trying. She whined about them but nothing was ever even implied about therapists, psychologists, help from local agencies, etc. She brought those kids into her home and expected them to be what she wanted them to be overnight. When that didn't happen, she set out to get rid of them and do all she could to keep her 'image'. She never mentioned working with them on their issues; never mentioned techniques and tools used to help them - nothing. And considering how much she went on and on about their 'evils', wouldn't something like that have made its way into her stories even a little bit? Her RAD blog was pathetic. No ideas, no suggestions, no information. Just whine, whine, whine; the kids are the devil; whine again. Most blogs on such subjects are at least helpful by sharing experiences; that is the purpose of networking in such a way! She offered nothing, shared nothing, provided nothing. It was her freak show and she put the kids in the middle of it.

Too much in Emma-land simply does not add up and, quite honestly, reeks.

MuseMama

You may be right, Flora. Then, at the same time, if no one knows that this is an issue, how will resources to help families become available? I think if it were my kid, I might want her face hidden, and her identity protected. But I think these documentaries can be vital for awareness and understanding.

FloraDoraDolly

MuseMama wrote:

You may be right, Flora. Then, at the same time, if no one knows that this is an issue, how will resources to help families become available? I think if it were my kid, I might want her face hidden, and her identity protected. But I think these documentaries can be vital for awareness and understanding.

I realize that therapists do videotape their patients and that these tapes can be useful/educational. I wouldn't have a problem with, say, showing such tapes to child psychology majors or to a panel of social workers in a classroom type setting. But that's a lot different from broadcasting this poor kid's life all over HBO without at least disguising her identity as you suggested. If as an adult, she decided she wanted to come forward and share her story, then that's OK. But she was still quite young when the documentary was made.

Wolfie

AthenaC wrote:

I doubt she's 7th Day Adventist.

They're much more "normal."

Also, half of her recipes were for beef and real Adventists are vegetarians.

Further evidence: she didn't make it a point to tell us that Saturday is the Sabbath.

I agree that adventists are much more normal-  but I have known some who were not total vegetarians.  They would eat meat that was hunted, or fished from the wild, but not farmed meat.  I do not know how common non-vegetarian adventists are, though.

But ATI and what I know of Adventists don't really go together.

Wolfie

RAD MYTH wrote:

Well, majority of Indians are Hindus.  Don't expect a Hindu kid to want to convert to an Abrahamic faith.  Many Koreans and Japanese are Buddhist or Shinto.  Don't expect them to want to convert to an Abrahamic faith.

Trans-religious and trans-cultural adoptive parents must be culturally and religiously sensitive.

Ohh, let's just use cultural sterotypes.  I teach many Indians, and I have many who are Sikh and some Hindu, but I also have Muslim and Christian Indian students too.  Not to mention that the vast majority of Koreans I know are Christian.  I've also known Catholic Japanese.   On top of that I've met many agnositcs from those countries too.

Clementinee.freekatie

thisolgirl wrote:

Funny you should mention you're a "bath product junkie", Mompom. There's a store called Bath Junkie, and I'm kind of in love with it. You get to mix your own scents and add the scent to whatever--bodywash, lotion, shampoo. I went with their pre-mixed scents--Dreamscicle scented lotion, bodywash, etc. and an all-purpose household cleaner in their "woodstock" scent--heavy on the patchouli! You can order their stuff online if you can't find a store in your area.

I love Lush as well, but I don't go there often. I always end up spending waaaay more than I should.

Another bath product junkie here! Don't miss the products from Weleda and Kneipp - I can't live without the juniper bath salt from Kneipp! It's like sitting in a wet forest in the tub. *back to thread*

Sola

Jecca wrote:

Does anyone else have Lush? Apparently it's been in Australia for about 16 years but is also in 46 other countries. http://www.lush.com.au is the website for us wot live downunder. Great products!

Oh I love Lush.  It is one of the luxuries that I would be gutted if I had to do without.  I rarely go out, don't smoke and only occasionally have a glass of wine at home so I stand firm that Lush products are the one vice of mine which I must have.

@ notsocommon

Kick your hubby out of the man cave! :P

I am allowed my room because I sell my soaps and other creations. That, and I claimed it, cleaned it up, painted, hung shelves, etc....hubby won't do that kind of stuff in order to get his own space.

I'd kill for a workroom.  Our house is 3br but the 3rd bedroom is so tiny.  It used to be my daughter's room up to a couple of years ago.  We were thinking of moving but when house prices started falling we decided to convert the loft into an attic room.  That's now my son's room and my daughter has his old bedroom.  Her old bedroom is now a very tiny office with a staircase in it (leading to the attic). 

I'd love a proper workroom though for all my sewing crap.  It's starting to take over the house!

TerrieES

RAD MYTH wrote:

These women are Type A, Extroverted, Obsessive-Compulsive types who simply will not relent.

As a person who actually is obsessive-compulsive, let me say this in the nicest way possible. Fuck you, you're an idiot and have no clue what you're talking about.

MuseMama

Another vote for LUSH products. They have a lotion called Charity Pot, and it smells like chocolate. It's made with cocoa butter, and it feels so good! I also love their shampoo, their solid conditioner, and their bath bombs. The Ma Bar is my favorite. Yummy!

Lainey.digestioninform...

You guys are making me want to renovate my bathroom to make it nicer. Which would probably have to involve an extension.

ChickeyMonkey

Some of my favorite quotes from Emma:

"Now, if I did not have that option, neither my husband or I would do it again, because it almost tore our house apart like a train wreck going 220 miles per hour without notice."

Huh. I didn't know train wrecks moved and that they usually gave notice that they were going to be wrecking. How rude of her train wreck not to give notice like that.

"He guards us like a man who has been in combat and is just coming out the back end of the field knowing he just escaped by the skin of his pants."

It's flying by the seat of one's pants, which I've actually asked my grandfather about, seeing as how he's a retired Naval pilot.

And "...by the skin of one's teeth."

Sola

Are you surprised at all that she isn't very intelligent?

Hane.engrishmessageb...

ChickeyMonkey wrote:

Some of my favorite quotes from Emma:

"He guards us like a man who has been in combat and is just coming out the back end of the field knowing he just escaped by the skin of his pants."

I noticed this one, too, and literally LOL'd.

deelaem

I've just recently heard about Lush products. My friend is going on an extended trip and didn't want to bring teeny-weeny bottles of shampoo and conditioner, so she got their solid shampoos and conditioner. I thought that was so clever. I just might try the Lush Products.

RAD MYTH

I'm very happy that some of you, following the links I provided as well as others, are researching the sketchy history of "RAD" as well as the subsequent invention of "AD" - Attachment Disorder by the like of Nancy Thomas and other Attachment Therapy "gurus".

This is why I get so suspicious of anyone who banties about all of that terminology;

http://www.quackwatch.org...eryRelatedTopics/at.html

fundiefan

For the record, I followed no links and did my own Google searches on RAD. I do believe it is over-diagnosed and over-used and I completely believe that our own Emma pulled it out of a hat to support her own deficiencies as a human being. I do not, however, believe that any one person has an answer and I don't believe that those who do 'resort' to a RAD diagnosis are all as fucked up as Emma; without an 'official' diagnosis, many services and forms of support won't exist; I'd take something over nothing any day of the week. And, also, let's not lose sight of the fact that RAD IS real, it is valid, it does exist.

Someone who is so blatantly 'anti' RAD, to the point of being absurd and obnoxious, is no better or more valid than someone who is blatantly for diagnosing all situations as RAD as a way out.

Experience. Knowledge. Study. Research. That all counts. A mathematician is not going to convince me of psychological or emotional aspects of life.

RAD MYTH, you are barking up the wrong tree. Everyone here has AGREED with you, from point one. Your behavior and tactics, however, have sucked.

Go visit Emma. Go visit her friends/links.

This conversation began because of everyone's DISAGREEMENT with Emma's story.

Few here actually disagree with your words. Your obsessive self promotion and argument means your position is lost and just plain gone.

If you really give a shit, you'll search out where your message may have an impact.

Here? You're just a fucking pain in the ass who has been put on ignore because really, no one wants to see the same shit over and over and over. No one wants to be lectured about something they already know and believe.

Preaching to the choir is really nothing more than preaching to yourself.

It helps no one. It changes no one. I gives nothing to anyone.

ChickeyMonkey

For the Aussies and Kiwis on the board, have any of you heard of or tried a sunscreen called Blue Lizard? I hear it's really good and I'm thinking of ordering some on Amazon. Right now I use the Coppertone that has zinc in it and it's great. I was just curious about the Blue Lizard one though. Anyone?

I didn't expect the level of language butchering that Emma uses. It's just so comical and yet incredibly sad because she's passing on her shitty English skills to her kids.

keeks21

ChickeyMonkey wrote:

For the Aussies and Kiwis on the board, have any of you heard of or tried a sunscreen called Blue Lizard? I hear it's really good and I'm thinking of ordering some on Amazon. Right now I use the Coppertone that has zinc in it and it's great. I was just curious about the Blue Lizard one though. Anyone?

I didn't expect the level of language butchering that Emma uses. It's just so comical and yet incredibly sad because she's passing on her shitty English skills to her kids.

I've never heard of it before. I think it must be one of those products that are more famous overseas then in Australia, like Fosters Beer.

Cancer Council, Le Tan and generic brands are the the ones that are on our shelves.

Lissar

RAD MYTH wrote:

I'm very happy that some of you, following the links I provided as well as others, are researching the sketchy history of "RAD" as well as the subsequent invention of "AD" - Attachment Disorder by the like of Nancy Thomas and other Attachment Therapy "gurus".

This is why I get so suspicious of anyone who banties about all of that terminology;

http://www.quackwatch.org...eryRelatedTopics/at.html

Fuck off. You're a quack yourself, Larry Sarner, as well as a scumbag liar. You're discrediting the cause you claim to champion by coming on this forum and lying about who you are and what your purpose is.

RAD MYTH

I just googled "Larry Sarner" LOL. Seems he's a whistleblower of sorts from what the first google page turns up.

Are there any Nancy Thomas disciples here?

fundiefan

Oh, now there are games. Way to get a message across and educate people.

There are no disciples of anyone or anything here and if an educated person with a valid message took the time, they'd know that.

But, hey. Who is anyone here to shut down someone else's entertainment and attempts at validation?

ChickeyMonkey

keeks21 wrote:

I've never heard of it before. I think it must be one of those products that are more famous overseas then in Australia, like Fosters Beer.

Cancer Council, Le Tan and generic brands are the the ones that are on our shelves.

I just discovered it a few months ago on Paula Begoun's website. She was offering 2 months of free access to her beautypedia, or whatever, and the Blue Lizard was stated as being from Australia. I haven't seen it here in the US, but I did ask the pharm tech about it and he said they could order it for me, but it's about the same price as if I order it myself on Amazon. I was just wondering if it was a popular or well-known brand in Australia &/or New Zealand.

zephaniah317

I know I am not a favorite here, I am much too conservative for a majority of you. But I have read this whole thread and still the only thing that sticks out to me is that photo of her miscarried "baby" and her having her children pray for it's "revival", what did she expect to happen? So let us say this "baby" is "revived" then what is she going to do?? Stick it back inside her? Even if the heart starts to beat again it is not going to live outside her. That makes no sense, none at all! I would never but children through that ever, ever, ever.

If you are trusting God to give you babies on his timing you have to trust him to take them away, on his timing!

Peekablue

I've finally finished this thread! About the only good things to come out of it were the outing of several fellow Aussies and "I am a woman of action and so is my husband".

Whenever I hear of adoption horror stories it reminds me how lucky I was to be adopted by such wonderful parents. As an adopted kid, these stories always hit close to home. Emma just defies description. She is at best xenophobic and bitter, at worst racist and sociopathic and in either case she is abusive. I am so scared for the kids. Emma is a bitch who treats adoptive children like puppies (as opposed to a bitch dog, who would of course look after her puppies. Hell, some bitches adopt babies of other species with more success than Emma did with children of her own).

I follow a lot of blogs written by parents who adopt, including parents who have adopted severe RAD kids who are on home arrest and so forth. It's interesting to me that of all the blogs I've read, it's only been fundie families who have given any children back.

Well said, zephaniah317. That revival incident was insane, and I was horrified when I saw that photo. It was literally a blob of fetal tissue, not a baby. That was in NO way appropriate to show a child, and the whole melodrama that unfolded before she miscarried must have made seeing that pile of tissue a thousand times more upsetting for those children. They had been told if they had enough faith it would magically live again, after all. There's no way they weren't blaming themselves in some way.

Edited to add more, as well as for riffling.

Rachel333

Is this the same Lovelie? It says she was adopted at the age of 8, which would be about right. laceyinhaiti.blogspot.com

I'm currently in a place where blogspot is blocked (though I get a few minutes of "quota time" per day), so I wasn't able to see the woman's blog myself, but I've read through the thread and have been incredibly disturbed by that family and what they did to those kids.

valsa

Holy fuck! I think that's her! I think you found her!!

RAD MYTH

Yes both Lovelie and Justus are on that laceyinhaiti.blogspot.com blog. I left a few messages but they are held up in moderation as every message on her blog must be approved. Its been more than 24 hours so lets see.

RAD MYTH

Wolfie wrote:

Ohh, let's just use cultural sterotypes.  I teach many Indians, and I have many who are Sikh and some Hindu, but I also have Muslim and Christian Indian students too.  Not to mention that the vast majority of Koreans I know are Christian.  I've also known Catholic Japanese.   On top of that I've met many agnositcs from those countries too.

CULTURAL STEREOTYPES?!  Ever been to India?  It's a Hindu majority country.  And its true - many East Asians are Buddhists.  And yes, many Japanese are still Shinto.

As far as all the ones who are Christian, that's unfortunate and they have my condolences, but they can always revert back to their far more  philosophically superior indigenous wisdom traditions.  

Rachel333

Oh please. I have been to India, and I think the non-Christian religions have just as many problems as Christianity. And don't assume that Christianity in India is the same as it is here. For one thing, there are Indians whose families have been Christian longer than my European family has.

You've raised legitimate issues, and religion should be a consideration, but you've made some offensive statements, too.

valsa

Rachel333, I hope you don't mind but I made a new thread at the new website (I tried to do it here but it wouldn't let me make a new thread) about your discovery and the reasons I think this is the same Lovelie (and I, of course, gave you full credit for finding this gem) Hopefull it'll put some people's minds at ease.

valsa

RAD MYTH wrote:

As far as all the ones who are Christian, that's unfortunate and they have my condolences, but they can always revert back to their far more  philosophically superior indigenous wisdom traditions.  

I thought you were all for converting if it made a child's life easy, so why are you starting to say that some religions are superior to others? In the link you posted way back, about a Hindu father not being allowed to adopt, I asked you a question. You've said before that Christian parents should consider converting to their adopted child's religion. If that Hindu father were to adopt a Christian child, would you say he should convert to Christianity?

thoughtful

nm

failsafe

As far as all the ones who are Christian, that's unfortunate and they have my condolences, but they can always revert back to their far more philosophically superior indigenous wisdom traditions.

Well, there have been Christians in India since 52AD. But good job there.

Wolfie

RAD MYTH wrote:

CULTURAL STEREOTYPES?!  Ever been to India?  It's a Hindu majority country.  And its true - many East Asians are Buddhists.  And yes, many Japanese are still Shinto.

As far as all the ones who are Christian, that's unfortunate and they have my condolences, but they can always revert back to their far more  philosophically superior indigenous wisdom traditions.  

Superior?  And just because something is a majority religion, it doesn't mean that all the people you're going to meet in a country are of that religion.  According to a quick search, only about 80% of Indians are muslim.  To continue saying that they're all Muslims is to continue to stereotype.  Not to mention that a lot of the Hindus there are culturally Hindu, but not religious.  (Hmm, kind of like the majority of Christians in the US, huh?)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India  Most Japanese don't identify with a religion at all.  In South Korea, about 1/2 are not religious, 1/4 are Christian and 1/4 are Buddist.  Cultural stereotypes are not good.  

And nope, I've never been to India, but I work in a small city where there is a huge population from India, so I am around a lot of people who were born and even raised in India, or are first generation American.

I shouldn't even try to be arguing, you're so ignorant and not even paying attention to what we're saying.

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WooHooo! Are we done? I'd just come over to transfer some more!

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WooHooo! Are we done? I'd just come over to transfer some more!

Yeah, I was bored so I figured I'd copy the rest of the thread. I hope that's okay with you.

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Quoting from the other space who I believe was "Rachel" (could be wrong);

"Oh please. I have been to India, and I think the non-Christian religions have just as many problems as Christianity. And don't assume that Christianity in India is the same as it is here. For one thing, there are Indians whose families have been Christian longer than my European family has."

Christianity as been in India for 2,000.

I believe it was "Val" or someone with a V in their moniker who said she thought I was for adopted kids converting to their adoptive parents religion - ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I don't know where you got that idea. You cited a link wherein a Hindu parent was denied adopting an infant as some sort of "proof" but that is not why I linked to that article, rather it was to show the Christian bias in some, (many?) adoption agencies.

When I said parents should consider coverting to the religion of the child they adopt that was specifically in reference to adopting non-Abrahamic faith children.

Many Christian parents adopt kids and expect those kids to adopt their religion. I think its time for the shoe to fit on the other foot now.

As far as my comment about the "superiority" of one religion over another - purely on philosophical merit the wisdom traditions of the East have far more rationality as well as philosophical depth than any of the Abrahamic faiths.

But that's another topic for another day, another forums, and one that few people are interested in (philosophy) so we can all just put that to rest.

QUESTION: why the move over here? What's wrong with yuku? :?

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QUESTION: why the move over here? What's wrong with yuku?

More control, more freedom of speech, less Yuku deleting threads and not notifying the admins or responding to help desk tickets.

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More control, more freedom of speech, less Yuku deleting threads and not notifying the admins or responding to help desk tickets.

And Smileys galore! :auto-dirtbike: !

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Sorry to resurrect this oldish thread, but reading another thread mentioning these kids reminded me of something that really irritated me about this woman.

After she adopted these kids from Africa, Lovelie gets to keep her name, but Justus doesn't. In fact, she changes his name and uses a speshul kind of spelling instead of the normal spelling of the word. Then, THEN! She gives him away. So, old name isn't good enough, new name isn't even spelled properly (cre8tiv spellings make me twitch), and in the end, he isn't good enough for her either.

What a mean person.

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