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http://www.thestar.com/news/world/artic ... -is-jewish

BUDAPEST, HUNGARY—As a rising star in Hungary’s far-right Jobbik Party, Csanad Szegedi was notorious for his incendiary comments on Jews: He accused them of “buying up†the country, railed about the “Jewishness†of the political elite and claimed Jews were desecrating national symbols.

Then came a revelation that knocked him off his perch as ultra-nationalist standard-bearer: Szegedi himself is a Jew.

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I wonder how much hate is because people have internal issues with who they are. Like the theories about a lot of homophobes being gay.

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I wonder how much hate is because people have internal issues with who they are. Like the theories about a lot of homophobes being gay.

It sounds like he didn't know, though.

I've never understood anti-semitism. Makes no sense to me.

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It sounds like he didn't know, though.

I've never understood anti-semitism. Makes no sense to me.

Oh yeah. It's inclear. I assumed if he offered money it meant he knew and wanted to keep it quiet. Otherwise he wouldn't have believed it. But it also said he sounded surprised.

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My kneejerk reaction whenever this sort of thing happens:

rX7wtNOkuHo

Enjoy the black fly in your Chardonnay, chump.

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It sounds like he didn't know, though.

I've never understood anti-semitism. Makes no sense to me.

Jews have always been a relatively small subset of the population who are different and follow weird rules and people tend to hate people who are different.

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Jews have always been a relatively small subset of the population who are different and follow weird rules and people tend to hate people who are different.

Also, we are a "model minority" that does not stay in our place. The stereotype is that Jews have degrees and high paying jobs and are significantly more successful than the majority.

It is really a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If the stereotype is that you live on welfare with 8 kids by 15 different daddies, you are bad. If the stereotype is that you find success wherever you are, you are a threat.

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Also, we are a "model minority" that does not stay in our place. The stereotype is that Jews have degrees and high paying jobs and are significantly more successful than the majority.

It is really a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If the stereotype is that you live on welfare with 8 kids by 15 different daddies, you are bad. If the stereotype is that you find success wherever you are, you are a threat.

Definitely. In my Eastern European Jewish history class, we talked about how Jews were looked down upon/hated for not mixing with the general Russian population, but then when they were allowed to enroll in universities and they enrolled/entered academia in large numbers they were hated for trying to infiltrate (okay, that's not really the word I want to use, but I'm too tired to try and think up the right word) Russian society.

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Oh yes and we are blamed for killing Jesus. I was really worried about widespread violence after the Passion of the Christ came out.

I also think it is a matter of jealousy and that fact that we do not recognize Jesus as our savior.

And the stupid prejudice is everywhere. My son doesn't mention his Jewish birthright at school anymore. (He is 3/4 Irish but Jewish from the maternal side.) When he did proudly tell kids, they would make money jokes all day long and his former best friend told him he was going to hell and this is in the SF Bay Area. People always tell me that I don't look Jewish and look like a gentile. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? My itty-bitty nose makes me look like a non-Jew?

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This isn't going to sound believable, but here goes: I never even heard of anti-semitism until I was about 14 (in the mid-'60s)--and when I did, I thought, "That's the stupidest prejudice I ever heard of!" My grandfather had some Jewish business partners, and I had several Jewish classmates. I thought it was ridiculous to be prejudiced against people who valued education, hard work, faith, family closeness, and tradition. I had the kind of mother who said "Happy Holidays" to people (back in the '50s!) if she didn't know for a fact that they were Christian.

And the "looking like a Jew" crap? Most of the Jews among my family and friends are light-skinned, blue-eyed, fair-haired--and have little button noses.

OT re "The Passion of the Christ": I've gotten into head-butting matches with people who inform me it's straight out of the Bible, when it's actually based on this novel by an anti-semitic 19th-century nun. So many people refuse to see its ugly bigotry.

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HAHA! Fucking idiot! Love these kinds of stories. :D

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He offered money? I never read the linked articles. I should probably start...

I still don't get it. You can't really tell a Jewish person by looking at them (well, usually...the dark-haired Jewish men are rather "my type," lol). I think all the prejudices are ridiculous, but out of all of them, that's the one that seems the most ridiculous to me.

ETA: And also, what everyone who finds this hilarious said. What a jackass.

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This isn't going to sound believable, but here goes: I never even heard of anti-semitism until I was about 14 (in the mid-'60s)--and when I did, I thought, "That's the stupidest prejudice I ever heard of!"

Until I was 14, in the '00s, I thought racism against Jewish people was entirely a thing of the past, nobody thought that way anymore, and "Jew jokes" in South Park were references to how stupid all racism is, and how it will all end. Like "hahaha, isn't Cartman ridiculous, he's racist against people that NOBODY is racist against anymore." ... yeah.

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Szegedi Csanád, after leaving Jobbik still got a large pay out for his share of one of the far right bookstores/publishing companies. The headline when that happened: The Jews benefit again. As for his Jewishness, he probably is not halachially Jewish, but he has already set up a meeting with the Chabad rabbi Slomó Köves there.

This has been the greatest joke of the Universe kinda thing. :) I have been following it for the last few weeks as it's been unfolding.

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Oh yes and we are blamed for killing Jesus. I was really worried about widespread violence after the Passion of the Christ came out.

I also think it is a matter of jealousy and that fact that we do not recognize Jesus as our savior.

And the stupid prejudice is everywhere. My son doesn't mention his Jewish birthright at school anymore. (He is 3/4 Irish but Jewish from the maternal side.) When he did proudly tell kids, they would make money jokes all day long and his former best friend told him he was going to hell and this is in the SF Bay Area. People always tell me that I don't look Jewish and look like a gentile. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? My itty-bitty nose makes me look like a non-Jew?

I get so tired of hearing that I don't look Jewish! I have red hair, very light skin, and freckles. So most people do the "You don't look Jewish!" then look at me (like they are looking for something "Jewish" about me) and say "Oh, you do have a Jewish nose." WTF?!?! What am I even supposed to say? Thanks? No, actually I don't, my nose was broken when I was 16 and it never healed correctly, so it is just weird. My pre-broken-at-lallapalooza nose was just a regular old nose, thankuverymuch!

Rant over, sorry!

ETA: What does a Jew look like anyway? I find that soooo offensive.

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You know I have not finished reading the Bible or got to the New Testament, yet.

But isn't the death of Jesus the basis of Christianity? Since he paid the price for sin? Why is their hate aimed at the people who 'supposively' killed him. I recently hurt a ran from a misogynist on manboobz about how women are responsible for the death of Jesus.

Wasn't Jesus' death going to happen no matter who or what did it?

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I have seen a couple of anti-Semitic brains whirring recently, and have come up with my own theories on anti-Semitism:

In worldviews that are racist, nationalist, or white supremacist (i.e. those most likely to be anti-Semitic) there needs to be a scapegoat. This is because these worldviews are fundamentally flawed, there are real and obvious problems: If People X are so great, why doesn't everyone else see it? Why isn't it reflected in the world at large? Even on a personal level, if Person A is better than Person B, because of race and nationality, then why is Person A such a screw-up? Why did Person A ever fail a test or lose out on a job opportunity, when Person B passed that test and got that job?

This is where the 'Jewish conspiracy' bullshit comes into it. In a racist, white supremacist ideology, the big, evil conspiracy cannot be run by a non-white group.* Otherwise it would not make sense in terms of who is supposed to be smarter than whom. If black people were running a secret conspiracy that reached into every aspect of daily life, then white supremacists would have to re-access the perceived hierarchy.

Also, the scapegoat group has to be ethnically ambiguous and virtually invisible in the midst of the majority population. This way, the Person A (the racist) gets to invent enemies to blame their problems on. If they screwed up at a job interview it was because one of the interview panel was Jewish and was against them. If someone on TV says something that they don't agree with, it is because that person is a Jew. Again, this would not work if the scapegoat group was black or Korean or whatever.

In short, when your bullshit ideology is based on ego-stroking, and talking up who your "people" are instead of who you are, it's inevitable that the people attracted to it are losers. They'll need to explain away why they are such losers and make it someone else's fault. That, in my experience, is what anti-Semitism springs from.

*I am aware that not all Jews are white but this is not about reality, it's about perception.

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I get so tired of hearing that I don't look Jewish! I have red hair, very light skin, and freckles. So most people do the "You don't look Jewish!" then look at me (like they are looking for something "Jewish" about me) and say "Oh, you do have a Jewish nose." WTF?!?! What am I even supposed to say? Thanks? No, actually I don't, my nose was broken when I was 16 and it never healed correctly, so it is just weird. My pre-broken-at-lallapalooza nose was just a regular old nose, thankuverymuch!

Rant over, sorry!

ETA: What does a Jew look like anyway? I find that soooo offensive.

Totally agree with you. I don't know why people say that crap. Like Muslims, Jews are all over the place in looks.

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Totally agree with you. I don't know why people say that crap. Like Muslims, Jews are all over the place in looks.

You know, the most offensive "you don't look Jewish" that I ever had was an older Jewish lady (she saw my Star-of-David necklace at work). She asked if I was Jewish, I said yes, she said "You don't look Jewish. Your family must not be from Israel." I felt so incredibly small and not "Jewish enough", I just wanted to cry. At the time I was still struggling with post-fundie finding myself and my identity.

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This isn't going to sound believable, but here goes: I never even heard of anti-semitism until I was about 14 (in the mid-'60s)--and when I did, I thought, "That's the stupidest prejudice I ever heard of!" My grandfather had some Jewish business partners, and I had several Jewish classmates. I thought it was ridiculous to be prejudiced against people who valued education, hard work, faith, family closeness, and tradition. I had the kind of mother who said "Happy Holidays" to people (back in the '50s!) if she didn't know for a fact that they were Christian.

And the "looking like a Jew" crap? Most of the Jews among my family and friends are light-skinned, blue-eyed, fair-haired--and have little button noses.

OT re "The Passion of the Christ": I've gotten into head-butting matches with people who inform me it's straight out of the Bible, when it's actually based on this novel by an anti-semitic 19th-century nun. So many people refuse to see its ugly bigotry.

The side of my family that likely has Czech Jewish ancestry, basically.... Gingers- pale freckly skin and red or strawberry blonde hair. However, I'm a convert, and there's some scots Irish mixed up in my DNA from my dads side as well.

I once got told I didn't "look Jewish" because I "had a small nose" wtf dude!

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I routinely get told that I look Irish (not that I have a typically "Irish" look or anything so I don't quite get it). In any event, on two occasions I've had equal opportunity bigots (who hated everyone who wasn't like them apparently), confide their bigotry and anti-Semitism to me because they just assumed that since I "didn't look Jewish" I wasn't. Once they finished spewing their bigotry and I got a chance to tell them that my heritage was Jewish, neither one flinched or expressed any embarrassment. One girl, whose background was Swiss, proudly told me how her grandfather turned in both Jews and the people who were hiding them to the Nazis. The other, whose background was Austrian, said point blank "too bad YOUR relatives didn't get turned into soap. Charming. Oh well, I'd rather know where someone stands...

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You know, the most offensive "you don't look Jewish" that I ever had was an older Jewish lady (she saw my Star-of-David necklace at work). She asked if I was Jewish, I said yes, she said "You don't look Jewish. Your family must not be from Israel." I felt so incredibly small and not "Jewish enough", I just wanted to cry. At the time I was still struggling with post-fundie finding myself and my identity.

Um, most Jews don't have families that come from Israel?

OMG, people can be so stupid. Jews can look like anything.

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The worst racism I ever encountered was from the "sweetest girl around." When I was at girl scout camp, one of my new school friends and tent-mate told me that Hitler "was a great man". Her parents were German from Germany and probably had some involvement in the Nazi party. Anyway, I was only in the fourth grade and I started crying. She tried to comfort me and the more she tried to do that, the more inconsolable I became. The camp counselors who thought I was homesick had no sympathy for me and told me to get over it. People had a great sense of how to treat children back then didn't they? I was too scared to say anything. In those days (in the late 1960's) I was still afraid the Holocaust was going to happen again. It was terrifying to me like the worst kind of Grimm's fairy tale. My mother had had a very close call in Morocco before the American's came in and I heard the story many times in childhood.

As for the looking Irish comments, I am told often enough that I look like I'm Black Irish.

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The whole "not looking Jewish" thing may have saved my grandfather's life during World War 2 in Poland. He was a little baby but with white-blonde hair, light blue eyes and false papers his parents had bought he and my great grandmother were able to pass t hemselves off as Christian. Most of my family has the light blonde hair and light blue eyes...my eyes are baby blue in shade, so none of us look very Jewish at all, whatever that means. Jews can look like anything, because they come from any country. One girl in middle school told me she didn't think Jewish people could have blue eyes. And I still get the stereotype that I must have been born rich and now must have some high powered job...both of which are untrue. I grew up hearing stories of what my great grandparents went through during the Holocaust so anti-semitism has always been very real and terrifying for me. Luckily I've never experience tooo much of it for myself. But anyone should know Jews can look like anything. My best friend from Jewish camp was black, her family originally from Ethiopia.

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