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  1. I've not read RG in a couple of months and they have had some good articles. This first one is written by former students describing the regrets that come with being raised ATI. "My greatest regret is not dating and probably marrying the man I loved when I was 19. My parents did not approve of him, and I obeyed them and married the man they did approve of. I thought if I didn't marry him, I'd end up an old maid. It was the biggest mistake of my life, and I am now divorced. If I'd been able to date around a little bit, I would have gained enough understanding and maturity to see the red flags that I did not see then. My other regret is not getting a college degree when I was young, before marriage and kids. Now it is too expensive and difficult to get a degree, I no longer have the time or energy." L. J Forbidding your kids from dating doesn't help them and it isn't a practice for divorce. I hate hearing that. "Looking for a good job, finding one that looks good and getting to the qualifications only to realize they require a two year degree at least. I regret listening to the whole, 'character will open doors for you that education never will.'Bologna! Education gets you in, character and work ethic keep you in. I have many regrets, but my deepest regret is starting to raise my kids in a way that diminished their personality and demanded what they should not have to give. I had to learn to be a loving parent when I could have enjoyed years of seeing them blossom and grow." K.B. Oh yes, Bill used to brag about how ATI students would have people walk up and offer them high paying jobs just based on their shining countenance and great character. A childhood that ought to have been beautiful and sweet, was instead crushed with the harsh, unforgiving burden of living under the hundreds of ATI rules. We regret that as adults we have stunted relationships with our parents who seem incapable of ever just loving us, but instead always finding something in our lives to judge and condemn. This is the truth and I wished it came through in the Duggar and Bates shows. Being raised ATI, especially as deep into ATI as those families are, is not fun. From the comments Before 1998ish: "You don't need a degree, only character counts. You will have tons of opportunities... you will work for kings. People with degrees are idiots and heathens anyway. You will have to sell your soul to get a degree." This is the ATI I was raised with After 1998ish: "Everyone should get a degree through Verity, or a fake degree of some kind. Louisiana Baptist University will give you a degree for washing dishes at a training center. Embassy "University" will give you a degree for watching Larry Guthrie eat crayons, the Pineapple Story, and Advanced Seminar. It really doesn't matter how you get a degree, as long as you do it through us." "By the way, Bill Gothard just got a P.H.D. from LBU! Yay! Oh, and everyone on the Board has advanced degrees from secular colleges. Awesome! All our conference speakers have advanced degrees this year! So cool!" It would have been one thing if they had admitted they were wrong about the whole college thing, but they didn't. They went with "Let's pretend that never happened and that we didn't majorly fuck up the lives of thousands of former students." http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2015/01/ ... rets/#more This article is about the ATI curriculum. The Advanced Training Institute (ATI) curriculum was promoted and sold to pastors and homeschool parents as the best homeschool curriculum in the world People who are lured into ATI are told this and are usually shocked to find out that they have been lied to, but you are also made to feel like it is your fault if the curriculum doesn't work. The education concept that was supposed to make ATI curriculum "advanced" is that of teaching by using analogies and training young people to think in analogies. Basing the curriculum on Scripture was part of the analogy process and made the curriculum unique. Using Scripture also made the ATI curriculum appear to be a very godly program. Bill Gothard used the fact that it was uniquely based around the Sermon on the Mount as a powerful selling feature that got many of us parents to want to be part of his faulty education program I can still recite the Sermon on the Mount. Bill Gothard said that the ATI curriculum was far superior to other education materials because it taught using analogies and integrated Scripture with academic subjects. He stated that teaching individual subjects (math, English, science, history, etc.) separately from each of the others, as is done in traditional education, prevented children from being able to have a broader scope of reasoning and thinking. The ATI curriculum was supposed to be an advanced training system because it integrated the academic subjects. However, it was soon discovered that the Wisdom Booklets (the ATI curriculum) were not adequate for teaching math and English. Traditional education curriculums had to be used to supplement the ATI curriculum and those and some other subjects were taught separately. Sucks to be the parents who can't afford to buy another curriculum after buying the worthless ATI one. Gothard told us that with the content and design of the Wisdom Booklets, in 12 years the ATI program would not only give a child a high school equivalent training, but would also give the equivalent of four years of college, a pre-law, a pre-med, and a business education Bill Gothard made the following statements: "The ATI program - the Federal Education Board does not have tests to give the achievement! The students are acing the tests!" "By the 12th year [a young person will have the equivalent of] a pre-med, a pre-law, and a business [degree]." "The way to teach children wisdom is to speak in analogies." There are not even tests that can test the wisdom of ATI students! The little Wisdom Booklets do not even have enough content in their small number of pages to be able to give a child a high school level of training, let alone the equivalent of a triple college degree. There was basically nothing in the Wisdom Booklets on business. This lack of content was a frustration for many mothers because they had to pull in other resources to complete the curriculum What was worse were the parents who didn't realize that they were being scammed and didn't even try to supplement. Not only does the ATI program not have enough content to give a high school level of training, it is only a seven year curriculum. It is not a complete 12 year curriculum. From eighth grade to twelfth grade, when a person should be learning higher level subjects, the ATI student repeats the content that they had in their elementary grades http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2015/03/ ... rt-1/#more
  2. I never was ATI, but I once when I was nuts thought I wanted to be. So I asked a representative what it was all about. Going through old flash drives I found the pictures of the weekly planner that they use to plan the Wisdom Book Curriculum. I found parts interesting and I thought I would share. By the way. They would only send pictures/scans of this planner and not the planner even if I paid for it. * My favorite part is A= Vital; absolutely must be done before going to bed unless husband redirects Also, if anyone was in ATI can you explain something for me I can't quite remember. There are the Wisdom books, but there are also separate sentence and language books. Are they part of the Wisdom books or something else ATI is selling?
  3. People on Ebay are selling A LOT of Wisdom books. I think if people planned it right they could get all of them. Honestly I think the prices are right, but what would I do with them? The one I read was just ridiculous. Honestly I would love to contact the sellers and ask if the whole Gothard scandal made people leave ATI and sell the books. People are buying them... that is the interesting part...
  4. I contacted ATI acting like an interested family. I acted like I couldn't see the 'sample' online and they sent me the parent guide to the Wisdom booklet parent guide with bankruptcy law. SCORE! I will 'try' to scan pages and put it online. I can't promise anything since I am really busy at work and don't know if it will scan. It might not be till after the weekend. If you all want to know what I am talking about... youtube.com/watch?v=4QdqU_PQVzo starts at 2 minutes 50 seconds OT how to I link it so it shows the youtube video directly on here? I think you would all enjoy seeing this wisdom booklet... it compares I am having a hard time sort of understanding the Wisdom booklet, so if anyone has used them in the past you would be a great help. The booklet I have has the major concept of The offended person must initiate reconciliation. Then a bible verse Matthew 6:12, 14-15 and a character focus of Forgiveness. There is also a Theme song "And can it be That I should Gain?" There is also a Further Study Focus: History and Geography of WW II Classification of matter Musculoskeletal systerm That is just the front cover I assume the major concept ties in with Linguistics History Science Law Medicine I kid you not under medicine the questions are... What is the relationship between rheumatoid arthritis and unforgiveness? and How does the formation of scar tissue give insight into forgiveness?
  5. I saw there is a complete ATI set on Ebay. If I was rich I would buy it and scan everything into the computer lol http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... TQ:US:1123 I guess I am just nosy Also... Did anyone here of this Wisdom Book loving mom? (I am sure you all do) myfatherssheep.blogspot.com/2010_06_27_archive.html I am also sorry I don't post more. Our family is just trying to make a bit more income and get out of debt... you think Jim Bob would give me some of his millions? lol
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