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  1. Source: http://spectrummagazine.org/article/201 ... s-quo-prev (not breaking the link -- Spectrum is a pretty snarky place and shouldn't mind) http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/soc ... story.html A bit of a personal rant/opinion follows. Women have served as pastors in many Adventist churches, especially in North America, for decades. Although the vote may appear to be one of semantics, as those of you on FJ know, defining and prescribing women's "roles" is central to the wider male headship movement. Something that may make those of us who consider ourselves progressives uncomfortable is the fact that much of the opposition to WO (women's ordination) comes from Africa. We don't want to be western-centric. However, the vote was not about forcing WO on areas where it would be a cultural anomaly; the vote was about allowing areas where women's contributions are culturally validated to choose to ordain qualified women. I know to many FJians -- including former SDAs, whose decision to leave I certainly respect -- it may seem ridiculous to be remaining connected to such a staunchly conservative denomination. (In previous days' meetings, church fundamental beliefs were reworded to more strongly identify with "traditional" marriage and literal, "recent" creation.) However, judging from the LGBT-affirming, feminist, theistic evolutionists on my SDA campus, there's still a chance for change. @mods, maybe I should have posted this in WW of Snark. Move it if you choose.
  2. the comments are really bad it seems Christians take it personally if someone stops being christian and it brings out the christian love in them. Can't be good unless you are a christian of course. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/29 ... o-go-back/ As we first reported in December, former Seventh Day Adventist pastor Ryan Bell has spent 2014 exploring a life without God. Initially he posed it as a test of his faith, done after a series of personal setbacks made him question everything. Soon, it became clear that atheism was growing on him. Some had criticized Bell’s “intellectual experiment†as little more than a publicity stunt. A few assumed that he wouldn’t give atheism an honest shake. Those opinions seem to have been blown out of the water this week when Bell officially announced that he would be extending his “year without God†indefinitely. He just found no compelling reason to go back. In an interview on NPR nearing the end of the year, Bell said it was tough leaving the comfort of his religious faith behind, but in the end couldn’t force himself to believe any more. “I’ve looked at the majority of the arguments that I’ve been able to find for the existence of God and on the question of God’s existence or not, I have to say I don’t find there to be a convincing case in my view. “I don’t think that God exists. I think that makes the most sense of the evidence that I have and my experience. But I don’t think that’s necessarily the most interesting thing about me.†This mirrors what he began saying weeks earlier, when the first signs that he was still having doubts began creeping up. Speaking with the LA Times, he once remarked that while both atheism and Christianity have their “obnoxious certainty,†for Bell he didn’t want “boundaries, and religion just feels like a very bounded thing.†But if his decision was personal, the response has been very public – and ugly. As Bo Gardiner documents on his blog Under the Greenwood Tree, Christians aren’t taking the news that they lost one of their own very well. Their reaction has been, well, downright intolerant. On the Christian Post’s story, readers weren’t happy: “This is nothing more than rebellion, and at the expense of many of the rest of us. What selfishness and irresponsibility, no matter what the personal struggle.†“You need the Christian religion (and yes, Christianity is a religion, the true religion) to worship God, and God must be worshiped.†“Those who have entered into a genuine relationship with Christ Jesus are the most loving people.†That last quote seems to be an indignant response to a question Bell said he has recently wrestled with, asking “Why do I need religion to love?†The commenter’s answer: Just because. The readers at Free Republic were even nastier: “What a dirtbag. Sorry, without Christ your ‘good deeds’ are worth *****.†â€Drama queen.†“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light….. Isaiah 5:20.†“He means without submitting to God. But only God is good, so it is impossible without Him. “ “Being good without boundaries. The serpent couldn’t have said it any better.†“No God, no concience… No God, no peace… Now come out of the closet faggot.†“Calling evil good and good evil . . . where have we heard that before, I wonder?†“Next he’ll tell us he’s discovered he’s a transvestite.†“I was wondering if he is dating a male or female.†“Seems as though he is sewing the devils fruits to me.â€
  3. Dreadcrumbs

    SDAs and child abuse?

    I've tried looking for stuff about Seventh-Day Adventists and child abuse, and I've had a hard time finding anything much other than the SDA official stance on child abuse. Anyone know of some stuff? (sorry if this is kinda vague?? I'm foggy today)
  4. SpoonfulOSugar

    Strong City Cult

    My gateway fundie group is not one that has been discussed here before . . . the Lord Our Righteousness Church, a Seventh Day Adventist derivative in northeastern New Mexico. They ate a very sparing vegetarian diet; the women wore long hair, long skirts, and no makeup; by some standards, they were considered a millennial cult. Strong City (another name) achieved fame/notoriety in 2007 when a documentary was produced by Ben Anthony and it aired on National Geographic. (I've linked to part one on Youtube - you should be able to go through the other parts with the menu on the right.) There was a follow-up documentary which I will dig out. The revelations in the documentary lead to a police investigation; eventually, their leader, Wayne Bent (Michael), was sent to prison because of the criminal sexual contact he had with underage members. I have been hesitant to discuss them here because MANY members of the church moved on and are now out in society, living their lives. I want to respect that and not invade their privacy. Of any group I've ever read about, the LOR put more out on the web (many page still available through Wayback) and the followers were as facile in social networking as any organization I've seen. They also have a predilection for changing their names - Travesser is their chosen surname (for the whole group.) Wayne Bent was released from prison in February: http://www.abqjournal.com/724888/news/religious-sect-leader-wayne-bent-is-out-of-prison.html He is apparently back on the LOR property, and back to producing his word salad on the interwebz: https://waynebent.com/ And I see that followers have again begun defending him on news stories. So - what happens to a cult when a leader is removed from the community and then returns? How has this group's belief system affected people long-term? That's what fascinates me. (And don't be surprised if someone shows up here - they are very assertive about people discussing them.)
  5. Seventh Day Adventist interest me. I don't know why. I have so many questions, but I don't want to seek them out because I hear they are like huge converters. Are any Fundie Seventh Day Adventists that have blogs? Does anyone know a great place to find information, not looking to convert just learn more. I heard they are a growing religion. Do people think they are a cult? Are there any FJers that were once or are now Seventh Day Adventist? To me they seem like wanna be Jews, but also Christians...
  6. On the Doug Phillips is a tool who resigned from VF thread, I mentioned wishing I could talk about similar situations in my denomination. Several members encouraged me to start a thread. I don't have time to type long back-grounds on these situations right now, but will post links. I'll be posting on a few situations in Seventh-day Adventist circles, but if others want to expand the conversation withbtheir own stories, go ahead. The title of this post refers to Samuel Korentang Pipim, a prominant proponent of biblical literalism/inerrancy, and opponent of women's ordination. After it was revealed that during meetings in Africa he raped a young woman seeking spiritual guidance, his church membership was removed. A year later he was seeking rebaptism (still denying non-consensual sex or even that he needed to confess to his wife) and then more accusations surfaced. So he started a ministry for "wounded eagles" who fall seven times so they can be greater tools for God. Here's a longer version of the story: /spectrummagazine.org/blog/2012/06/06/receiving-bird-samuel-koranteng-pipim-seeks-rebaptism-sabbath I'm on my phone, so please forgive typos.
  7. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... -star.html The star of two and a half men has been receiving spiritual "guidance" from a husband and wife pastor duo at a seventh day Adventist church. Do I smell a future Kirk cameron in the making?
  8. I have been reading up on Adventists this week and I have noticed they seem pretty conservative including believing in young earth creationism but there isn't anything tat I have read about them being quiverfull? Are they or is that how they differ?
  9. They don't live too far from me. Are they ATI? toalltheworld.org/
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