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  1. Figured this needed its own topic to compile all the bullshit. First up is this jackhole of a judge in Tennessee And of course if you read on he had to trot out the old "my best friend is" excuse. I hope he gets a smack down from the judicial discipline folks in Tennessee.
  2. fransalley

    The Loop

    Here's the loop I find myself in: Everyone believes they're right. Everyone can prove it by Scripture. But too often, people use Scripture to come to diametrically opposing conclusions. So who's right? I don't know. It's impossible to figure it out. And I'm afraid of getting it wrong and going to hell.
  3. Was reading this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/05/american-atheists-religious-european-christians/560936/ and figured other people here might have read it and have some interesting thoughts. Any non-believers here ever attended a gathering like Oasis? I'd be really fascinated by any European FJers opinion on the article's take on spirituality and religiosity in their countries, the idea that only 23% of European Christians were certain of the existence of a god astounded me. I've never created a topic before, my apologies if this isn't the right place for it.
  4. This is really difficult typing it all out, just writing the title felt weird. But here we go: I consider myself a liberal atheist. Meaning I do not believe in God, but I don't care what everyone else does or rather, I support liberal religions/people who choose to believe. I'm definitely not agnostic because I think believing that God made the world in seven days is - sorry - bullshit. It always baffled me when I saw supposedly religious people cry at funerals. In my understanding you see them again in heaven and I did notice that at some funerals people were not totally unhappy and the wording of the obituary was also different. Like "the body will be buried vs. the casket will be buried". I was told that those people think that the person is already with God so, they only bury a unimportant shell. Again, I try to explain it, but given that English ins't my mother tongue and the topic makes it extra hard. My personal situation is that once my parents die, as of now, I will be alone. Completely alone, no relatives, no friends. I'm Autistic, so I need a bit more support than other adults and it also explains my lack of social contacts. That situation makes me extremely sad every now and then. Now if I would believe in God, the fact that I loose my parents one day wouldn't be that hard because I would see them again in heaven. (And everyone else.) That thinking sounds child like, I know, but it is what I feel. Adding basic (idiotic?) logic leaves me at needing to start to believe in God/heaven to make me feel better about the future. (I get that finding friends would help as well, but like I said, I think believing is easier than that.) How do you start with a religion? How did you start to believe when you were atheist first? Please be kind, I know that I might sound pretty "dumb" or whatever for religious people. I'm just looking for something to help me.
  5. Just saw this on raw story about why fundies are on a persecution kick; Every time some reich wing Christian starts in on their persecution kick I want to haul off and tell them to go perform an intimate act upon themselves in traffic. It really pisses me off when people in the US start complaining about how they're being persecuted because people can marry who they want, have health care, believe as they choose or not at all, and so on. It cheapens the sacrifice millions of people made over all of human existence to believe as they choose. It cheapens the deaths of all those who suffered and died at the hands of the inquisition and the like.
  6. http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article174419606.html An Inmate has filed a suit because the Kansas Prison she's held in is a bit steeped in Christianity.
  7. Really, Ireland? bbc.com/news/world-europe-39830447 Ireland, isn't there enough douche cannonery in the world without you adding to it?
  8. Rodolphe

    Awful memoirs hakatan.com

    I have been doing research about the amount of fundamentalist sites promoting the teaching of the Pearls and others. Thankfully there doesn't seem to be as many as there was 10 years ago. Even James Dobson does not appear to be that popular aymore. There is still some awful stuff out there including the memoirs of a John Holland http://hakatan.com/bfh/bh6.htm it is just not the description that irks me, it is the wording used. It seems rather celebratory. Also found this. http://www.justamomintraining.com/training-part-2-toddler-discipline/ I see these mothers as victims of the Pearls. They feel they have to hit their children because of the bible. Sad Thanks
  9. I read this story last night and it might be the worst I've read of the types of stories coming out of scary religious organizations. Scars from shackles, putting kids in isolation naked for weeks, etc. Former students share harrowing stories of life inside Alabama's worst religious private school 36 Children Were Removed in 2015: http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2015/03/36_children_removed_from_youth.html Another story about them being arrested for child abuse. One girl says she was shackled and in isolation for 22 days for trying to write a letter to her mother for help. http://www.fox10tv.com/story/29937890/three-arrested-for-alleged-child-abuse-at-home-for-troubled-youth
  10. http://journal.sjdm.org/15/15923a/jdm15923a.pdf Excerpt of conclusions: (emphasis mine) Anyhow, this seems somewhat relevant to many of the characters discussed here.
  11. I mostly love everything that Annie Lamott writes. Except for the things I disagree with, because she is more liberal than I am, but even then I love that I get to be a thinking human being with my own thoughts instead of some sort of robot follower type. I follow her on FB and today's post from her was a letter (shared by her, although written by somebody else) written on the topic of the Bible and homosexuality. The letter garnered quite a lot of fire and brimstone replies from people appalled by the premise that the Bible was written by fallible humans. Inspired by God apparently means that the humans writing it down couldn't possibly have f'd up on anything. There are many people who most definitely believe that the Bible comes straight from the mind of God onto the page. I'm not a biblical scholar (nor do I want to be,) so can someone explain in logical terms why it is so important (erm, fundamental one might say) to believe that the Bible is the perfect word of God? (BTW, I am NOT trying to offend people's beliefs, just hoping to understand.) (tried to link to the FB post, but I can't because stupid, so copied it here instead -sorry, its long!) A Letter to Annie’s Sunday School Class on The Bible and Homosexuality Hey Annie’s Sunday School Class. Good morning. I'm Annie's friend Mark Yaconelli. Glad you are here. Hope you make Annie bring you donuts and hot cocoa. Did you know many years ago I taught the Sunday School class at St. Andrew’s and brought donuts and hot cocoa as a bribe for Annie’s son Sam and some other kids? They were always much nicer when I gave them sugar and chocolate. So Annie asked if I’d write you about the Bible. I worked at a seminary for 10 years. I have two graduate degrees in Christian Spirituality. I’ve worked in churches for many years. I’ve been a youth worker most of my life and I’m going to tell you the honest truth about the Bible. Okay, here’s what all my study has taught me: The Bible is a weird collection of songs, stories, poems, letters, prayers, rules, dreams, mystical experiences, dietary rules and detailed instructions for building a giant boat. The Bible is not a book of science, the Bible is not a book of facts. None of the authors of the Bible ever intended that their writing would help readers grow in their understanding of human biology or science. The people who wrote the Bible are trying to express this overwhelming, freeing, terrifying, exhilarating experience that we have nicknamed “God.” That’s what the Bible is for--to help us encounter God. The writers of the Bible are pointing out of a window and they want us to look for ourselves and feel for ourselves that there is a welcoming Presence of Love that names us and claims us and frees us to live the lives we’ve always wanted to live. Jesus said the teachings of the Bible are only useful if they help us love God (the Creator, The Maker, The Compassionate Presence), love other people, and love ourselves. Jesus says this is the Rule of Love—loving others as we love ourselves. This is the most important message of the Bible. So Jesus teaches that God is only known through Love and every experience of Love is an experience of God. That means when two people love each other, God is there. It doesn’t matter if they are two men, a woman and a man, or two women, if it is real love (mutual care and respect and delight), God is there and it is blessed. Every act of love brings God into the world. When a parent loves her child, when friends love each other, when a stranger offers kindness to a hurting person, when people commit to loving one another (Gay or Straight)—God is there and it is blessed. And here’s the reverse of that: Anything that leaves you more fearful, more isolated, more disconnected from other people, more full of judgement or self-hatred is not of God, it does not follow the Rule of Love--and you should stop doing it. Now you may ask, “Hang on. If the Bible says loving others is the highest rule, what about homosexuality? Doesn’t the Bible say homosexuality is wrong?” Remember, God did not write the Bible. Jesus did not write the Bible (by the way Jesus was silent about homosexuality). People wrote the Bible and people get things wrong all the time. And although the people who wrote the Bible loved God, they also were not scientists nor biologists and they also weren’t God. So they sometimes wrote things that were ignorant or limited or plain wrong. For example they wrote stuff like… Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19) Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27) Any person who curses his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9) People who have flat noses, or are blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18) Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16) Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of cattle (Leviticus 19:19) Don’t eat shellfish. (Leviticus 11:10) Christians don’t believe nor follows these writings. We know shrimp tacos can be delicious and healthy. We know it’s alright to cut your hair. Different cows can graze in a field, no problem. Christians do not follow these rules from the Bible because we know better now. God gave us a brain and intelligence and the capacity to learn and we have learned and now know that many of those ancient rules are just plain ignorant or wrong. I say all of this because some of the most hurtful writings in the Bible are about homosexuality. There are a few places in the Bible that refer to sexual relationships between two men or between two woman as prohibited or sinful. Sometimes these rules or condemnations were actually about prostitution or abuse, but there are cases where some writings in the Bible condemn homosexuality as sinful. This is sad and unfortunate and has caused a lot of people pain and suffering. What we now know is that just as the Bible was incorrect about wearing mixed fabrics, the writings in the Bible about homosexuality are simply ignorant (people didn’t know what they were saying) and entirely wrong. Gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered people are people, created in the image of God, it is their birthright to be honored, respected, and celebrated just like everyone else. The Bible was never meant to be a book about gender or sexual ethics. The people who wrote those things did not know what we now know. How can we say these teachings are wrong? One big reason is because of Jesus. Jesus is our primary spiritual teacher and the one who shows us what God is like. Jesus is the one who says: “Love your neighbor as you love yourself.” Jesus is the one the Bible holds up as a window into God. Jesus is the one who teaches us and shows us and helps us feel and know that it is not loving to dominate nor discriminate against other people. To exclude or reject or restrict people because of who they love and how they love goes directly against the Bible and the teachings of Jesus. Paul (one of the writer’s in the New Testament) says, whenever the Spirit of God is near, you will feel more patient, more generous, more kind, more self-disciplined, more joyful, hopeful, and loving (Galatians 5). So tell me, if you condemn a woman because she loves another woman does that make you feel more generous, kind, and joyful? In the Gospel of Luke (12:57) Jesus says, “Why don’t you judge for yourself what is right?” Does it feel right, given what we now know about sexuality and human relationships, that LGBT people should be condemned or treated differently than we treat other people? Does that feel loving? The Bible itself must be judged according to Jesus’ Rule of Love. When we do that, we find that the teachings of the Bible that discriminate against homosexuals are plain wrong. The Bible was never meant to be a book about sexuality and it shouldn’t be treated that way. The Bible is trying to help you go out into the world and meet God for yourself so that you might be more alive, more yourself, more open and connected to other people. “God is love,” Christians remind one another. This means that Christians experience love as something alive and living and personal and true. This Love that is God and God that is Love is the creating and healing power within life. This Love that is God is kind and patient and humble and free--never trying to control nor manipulate. Every human being has experienced and knows this capital “L” Love that Christians call God. Christians believe that to receive and share this reality of Love, this God within who live and move and have our being, is the meaning and purpose of life. Why would we stop anyone from experiencing and expressing love? Or to put it another way, why would we stop gay, lesbian, bisexual, straight, transgendered--anyone from experiencing, celebrating, and expressing God? www.markyaconelli.com.
  12. Interesting post http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2016/05/was-the-united-states-actually-founded-on-the-idea-of-religious-freedom/
  13. Hi, all. I'm a long-time lurker here on Free Jinger and an even-longer-time insomniac. So while I stayed up late last night, yet again scrolling through 'Quiver Full of Snark' and stifling my snorts and chuckles to avoid waking my sleeping boyfriend, I realized that I had yet to comment or use any of the new site features (including the option to create this blog). Honestly, I have to admit I've been a bit intimidated by the daunting number of in-jokes, acronyms, fundie-knowledge and general awesomeness I've only observed from a distance (self-admitted creepery, right there) . I know that's what 'SOTDRT' is for, but I guess my super-strength social anxiety can carry over to the Internet, too. Here we go... First, about the blog name: Fort Tryon Park is easily my favorite place on the planet and also where I spend a lot of my free time. It's stunningly beautiful in any season and home to the Cloisters Museum, which houses the Metropolitan Museum of Art's Medieval Art collection including the famed Unicorn Tapestries and painted reliquary busts of female saints. Access to the park and the Cloisters grounds is also 100% free (which makes it the perfect place for a broke twenty-something like myself to hang out) and just two blocks over from the shoeboxed-sized one bedroom apartment I share with my boyfriend, our cat, and our two ferrets. Plus, with the Met's "pick-your-price" donation policy, you can pay as little as $1 entry fee for the Cloisters. If you're ever in New York, make sure to take the A train uptown all the way to 191st Street to check out this totally underrated cultural gem. Speaking of reliquary busts, the Catholic Church has a long history of peddling the body parts of dead saints. Having been raised in an extremely religious Irish and French Canadian Catholic family, I'm no stranger to the bizarre and frankly kind of icky practice of venerating relics. My mom gave me the middle name "Thérèse" as a tribute to one of her favorite saints, Saint Thérèse of Lisieux, aka "the Little Flower of Jesus." The devotion to this particular saint was apparently inspired by her visit to the Carmel De Lisieux, the site of Thérèse's tomb and the Carmelite cloistered convent (say that ten times fast!) in Lisieux, Normandy where she made her claim to fame by basically being a model nun from the age of tender age of fifteen until her untimely death in 1897 from tuberculosis. She was 24 years-old when she died, which also happens to be my current age. #Goals. So, my largely Irish-and-Italian-American hometown had a designated boutique for Catholic knick-knacks right in the middle of a prime commercial real estate zone on Long Island, NY. It closed about six years ago, probably due in large part to the recession, and because all of the enthusiastic Catholic consumers have since retired and moved down to Florida. Pretty much everyone I went to Catholic school with has either lapsed in their faith or is a full-on Atheist. Unlike its neo-Evangelical counterparts, Catholicism isn't exactly hip. Over the past few years, Catholic Church closings have been commonplace in dioceses throughout the Northeastern and Midwestern United States. Although, it is pretty amusing to imagine Catholic goods stores blowing up on Yelp: Hipsters raving about growlers of filtered, ionized holy water and the energizing properties of the signature tea blend made from powdered remains of the Canonized. "The house blend StigMatcha red-green tea is literally the ONLY way I can start my day." and "Saint Boneventure's Bone Broth™ has been nothing short of miraculous in helping to cure my leaky gut syndrome!" Anyway, whenever someone we knew received a sacrament, my mom would run out to the Catholic store to get the appropriate gift for that occasion. At least for a Baptism, First Holy Communion, Confirmation, (First) Reconciliation, or Marriage... Anointing of the Sick gifties would be too morbid even for an Irish Catholic, and all of the family friends who took Holy Orders did so after the Catholic store had already closed. (Thank God for Online Shopping, am I right, ma?) So, for my first communion my mom handed me this delicately wrapped box from the local Catholic store. Inside was pair of rosary beads with a portrait of my middle-namesake in the center. When I turned it over, I noticed a small, reddish-brown dot coated with a clear lacquer. I naively asked my mom what the spot was, and she proudly explained to her stunned seven year-old daughter that it was a drop of St Thérèse's actual blood. Apparently, the addition of this hundred-year-old bodily fluid made it extremely special and holy. Looking back, few things illustrate the total incompatibility of my mother's and my world views quite like the fact that she fully expected me to be thrilled, and not, you know, totally horrified. I've since spent a good chunk of time playing the Elder Scrolls series, and can confidently say those rosary beads bordered on some straight-up fantasy RPG necromancy shit. But this is par for the course with the Catholic Church. Europe is littered with cathedrals, monasteries, and other pilgrimage sites where devoted Catholics gather to gaze upon the airtight glass displays showcasing the remains of "incorruptible" saints. While I'm no longer one of the Faithful, I still very much enjoyed visiting several of these sites, especially St. Denis’ Basilica just outside Paris. Between assigned course reading of Peter Brown and finally having the option of NOT attending Mass on Sundays, I have finally begun to appreciate these wonderfully weird relics for what they really are: a source of fascination, intellectual curiosity, and yes, even abject horror.
  14. I know Falun Gong isn't the kind of thing we usually talk about here, but after I did some research, it became clear that this group is about as nutty as anything else (e.g., anti-LGBT, anti-mixed race marriage, a belief in aliens, a belief in a bizarre sort of Buddhist creationism): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong (link not broken because it's Wikipedia) Some of you may have heard of Shen Yun, which proports to be a Chinese version of Cirque du Soleil. I've seen the ads myself, but have never gone. Today, I found out that Shen Yun is a front group for Falun Gong and that the show consists of poorly done religious propaganda under the guise of traditional Chinese dance: http://www.buffalonews.com/20130413/in_ ... flags.html (link not broken because it's a secular news site) Do any FJers have any direct experience with Falun Gong or Shen Yun?
  15. Thinking about Benessa and baby Spurgeon Seewald got me thinking - if Vision Forum were still around, I could see them trying to get in with that crowd (although I know the crowd is still around, if fractured) although I feel like VF would look down on them as 'nouveau riche'. I certainly think the Seewalds Jr are heading Reformedwards. Are there any other ATIers/non-Reformed types heading that way, or vice versa? I guess Lina going Catholic was a pretty big switcheroo.
  16. http://www.krgv.com/news/local-news/Texas-Case-Mulls-if-Home-school-Kids-Have-to-Learn-Something/36190388 The parents are accused of not teaching their children because the were "waiting to be raptured." The family has nine children. They refused to provide any information about their curriculum when asked, instead filing a lawsuit which appeared to assert "a fundamental right to be free of any state supervision or regulation concerning whatever education they choose to provide to their children in their home." The grandparents reached out to the school district and expressed concerns that their grandchildren were not attending school or otherwise receiving a proper education." When truancy charges were filed, the parents lawyered up behind the Home School Legal Defense Association, a legal advocacy group that collects hefty dues from its members in exchange for legal services if they get into to trouble. The HSLDA, a "social welfare" nonprofit with an annual budget of over 10 million dollars, sent a letter to the school board claiming that the McIntyres were “in full compliance.” Despite this claim, the court of appeals later found that "The letter did not reflect that the attorney was licensed in Texas, or had any personal knowledge of the educational studies occurring in the McIntyre home." Although the truancy charges were later dropped, leading the HSLDA to "praise God for this victory", the McIntyres continued their lawsuit. The court ruled against them, noting that the Texas Supreme Court has "specifically authorized inquiries into the curriculum of home schools" and that parents do not have an "absolute constitutional right to educate their children in the home, completely free of any state supervision, regulation, or requirements." In my opinion, these parents are abusing their children and should be required to provide them with a proper education. I can't wait to hear the opinions of the all-Republican Texas Supreme Court.
  17. For as long as I can remember I have been fascinated with religion. I have devoured books and documentaries. I have been in the front row of lectures. I have asked questions, read blogs, articles, magazines, etc. I have learned about major religions, fundamentalist groups, atheism, spiritual traditions, wicca, paganism, the druids, and the list goes on. I have visited churches listening to sermons from multiple branches of christianity. In searching through scientific papers, I hoped I would find the loopholes that would allow me to "just have faith". I have searched high and low. I wanted answers. I still do, but these days, in my later years, I realize that answers may not come and that is okay. I now know that I don't have to have all the answers to live a happy, productive and peaceful life. I recognize that placing the burden of my life onto someone else's understanding of a supreme being isn't necessary. I have survived (and sometimes thrived) through much turmoil and joy and I did it without giving the credit for either extreme to an unseen entity. Those bad decisions were mine - not satans. The good things I've done and experienced - they were from me too. My consequences were my own. My pain was my own and the love that I have for myself and those around me are all parts of me and me alone. That isn't to say that I didn't recognize that something was missing. I would look around at other people and see a deeper joy, a collective happiness of sorts and I would wonder - what does THAT feel like? They would meet in groups and talk about their faith. They had small meetings, studied books, held social events and played in bands. There were entire festivals build around a belief in someone outside of themselves that had to power to either bless them with great gifts, give them diseases, take away their loved ones, start wars and impoverish whole nations...they gave all of their power to this outside force and relieved themselves of the responsibility of their decisions and found a way to blame consequences and bad decisions on another 'evil' being. I recognize that I sound very pessimistic about the whole deal and in no way do I mean to thrash those who find there peace this way. I simply don't understand it. I am truly fascinated with the phonomena of faithfulness and those who are able to live their lives this way. I am really enthralled with the scientific community that has found there way to jesus or allah or buddha or yahweh. I want to know how they reconciled science and religion. I want to find the line between faith and reason. Has anyone ever felt this way? Do you know where that line is for you? If so, what made you take the leap - on to either side? My mind is open and I am always learning.
  18. morri


    Just calling it like it I come here and other pages and can't believe how secular people in the US are treated. or .. How did itr happen that in the US every one seems to rub ones nose into their religion (or lack there off) Here in Europe Religion(some places are more religious than others) is a private matter. No one asks you no one berates you unless you happen to meet a stand on the street or door to doo.r jehovas. Obviously fundie families wouldnt be so popular in US culture if no one gave a toss about their belief. I like the rough stats for Hamburg: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... less-place Also The US had a 4 & rise in atheism from 2005 to 2012.
  19. A friend of mind shared this with me on Facebook last night and I thought my fellow Freejingerites might be interested in it as well. The survey was made by the Pew Research Center, who isn't affiliated to any religious group. According to this research Evangelical Christians mistrust Atheists the most and Atheists mistrust Evangelical Christians the most. How wonderful! Overall, everyone is on the same page right? Here is one link: pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/16/u-s-evangelical-christians-are-chilly-toward-atheists-and-the-feeling-is-mutual/ And another link here. The overall survey is analyzed in a more complete way: pewforum.org/2014/07/16/how-americans-feel-about-religious-groups/ Apparently, Evangelicals love Jewish people, but Jews seem a bit more skeptic. Also, Atheists seem to rate non-christians groups (Buddhists, Hindus, etc.) higher than most Christians. None of these results are very surprising for me, and I don't even live in the US. Nonetheless, it's interesting to have all this information gathered up.
  20. bettertomarry

    Getting rid of Div School books

    We're downsizing to prepare for the coming baby and I thought I'd offer up the last of my Div School books that I couldn't sell. PM me if you'd like them. Abdul-Ghafur, Saleemah: Living Islam Out Loud - American Muslim Women Speak Altizer, Thomas J.J.: Radical Theology and the Death of God Asad, Muhammad: The Message of the Quran Atkinson, Clarissa W.: Mystic and Pilgrim - The Book and the World of Margery Kempe Augustine: The Confessions of St. Augustine (E.B. Pusey, trans) Bawer, Bruce: Stealing Jesus Bobrick, Benson: Wide as the Waters - The Story of the English Bible Bonhoeffer, Dietrich: Life Together - A Discussion of Christian Fellowship (Trans. by John Dobertstein) Buehrens, John: A Chosen Faith Christ, Carol P.: Womanspirit Rising - A Feminist Reader in Religion Coogan, Michael David: Stories from Ancient Canaan Croy, N. Clayton: A Primer of Biblical Greek Daly, Mary: Gyn/Ecology Ehrman, Bart D.: The New Testament - A Historical Intro to the Early Christian Writings Emerick, Yahiya: Critical Lives - Muhammad Ferris, David Lincoln: Meditations in the Gospel According to St. Mark Fiorenza, Elisabeth Schussler: Bread Not Stone Ford, Richard Q.: The Parables of Jesus - Recovering the Art of Listening Fletcher, Richard: The Cross and the Crescent Fluker, Walter Earl: A Strange Freedom - The Best of Howard Thurman on Religious Experience Freedman, Samuel G.: Upon This Rock - The Miracles of A Black Church Gager, John G.: Reinventing Paul Goldenberg, Naomi R.: Changing of the Gods Habel, Norman: Literary Criticism of the Old Testament Hasan, Asma Gull: American Muslims Hildegard von Bingen: Explanation of the Rule of Benedict (Hugh Feiss, trans) Hodgson, Peter C.: Christian Theology - An Intro to Its Traditions and Tasks Hodgson, Peter C.: Winds of the Spirit - A Constructive Christian Theology James, William: The Varieties of Religious Experience Janz, Denis R.: A Reformation Reader Jordan, Merle R.: Reclaiming Your Story - Family History and Spiritual Growth Julian of Norwich: Revelation of Love (Trans by John Skinner) Kidd, Sue Monk: When the Heart Waits Kloppenborg, John S.: Q - Thomas Reader Kunzman, Robert: Write These Laws on Your Children - Inside the World of Conservative Christian Homeschooling Lane, Frederick S.: The Court and the Cross - The Religious Right’s Crusade to Reshape the Supreme Court Lichter, Ida: Muslim Women Reformers - Inspiring Voices Against Oppression Lorit, Sergio: Frances Cabrini Maitland, Sara: A Big-Enough God - A Feminist’s Search for a Joyful Theology Manji, Irshad: The Trouble With Islam McEvoy, Don: Credo - Unitarians & Universalists of Yesteryear Talk Abt Their Lives & Motivations McGoldrick, Monica and Randy Gerson: Geongrams in Family Assessment Merton, Thomas: Conjectures of a Guilty Bystander More, Thomas: Utopia Nomani, Asra Q.: Standing Alone in Mecca Norris, Kathleen: The Psalms, with Commentary Ramshaw, Gail: God Beyond Gender - Feminist Christian God-Language Sandler, Lauren: Righteous Shea, Suzanne Strempek: Sundays In America - A Yearlong Road Trip in Search of Christian Faith Sheingorn, Pamela: The Book of Sainte Foy Silvas, Anna: Jutta and Hildegard - The Biographical Sources Starhawk: The Spiral Dance (10th Anniv. edition) Warner, Marina: Alone of All Her Sex - The Myth & Cult of the Virgin Mary Weil, Simone: Waiting for God White, James F.: Documents of Christian Worship Willis, Garry: Saint Augustine Willis, Garry: What Paul Meant The Little Book of Hours (Paraclete Press) The Koran x2 (one in English and one in English/Arabic) The Harper Collins NRSV Study Bible The New Oxford Annotated Bible The Pomegranate: International Journal of Pagan Studies, Vol. 6.1, May 2004
  21. His Holiness Shri Ashutosh Maharaj, a wealthy religious leader in the Punjab city of Jalandhar, is either dead or meditating. A court may decide which, and the Maharaj's $170-million estate is at stake. According to his family, he died from a heart attack on Jan. 29, 2014. According to members of Divya Jyoti Jagrati Sansthan — which was founded in 1983 and which describes itself as a "socio-spiritual-culturel, not-for-profit organisation" — he's in a deep state of meditation known as "Samadhi." "Maharaj has been in deep meditation," one of his followers said. "He has spent many years meditating in sub-zero temperatures in the Himalayas, there is nothing unusual in it. He will return to life as soon as he feels and we will ensure his body is preserved until then." Punjab police initially confirmed that the Maharaj was deceased, but the Punjab High Court, ruled that his condition was a spiritual matter. Now, the Maharaj's wife and son are filing a court application seeking to have his death confirmed, claiming that his followers just want control of his money. While all this gets decided, His Holiness Shri Ashutosh Maharaj will remain right where he is: in a commercial freezer. http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/india/140529/170-million-at-stake-indian-court-may-decide-whether
  22. lipstickgoalie


    So this is a bit of a Hail Mary pass but does anyone have any info about early American Moravian religious history? I had a paper for my capstone course fall apart completely and I am looking down the barrel of a very close topic turnaround. I am hoping that maybe someone has some academic information that can give me at least a jumping off point because I am at a loss and this is the topic my Prof assigned to me. Feel free to PM me. And Mods, feel free to move or delete. I used this forum because it was the most trafficked.
  23. Representative Alonzo Baldonado expressed "concern" ie ignorance in the Albuquerque Journal about the pre workout stretches/ mat work one physical ed instructor is doing in public school. He expressed concern because yoga is supposedly linked to eastern religions specifically Buddhism and hinduism. Baldonado is from what I can tell a findie. I dont understand how stretching, relaxation and breathing are considered non christian. They are not part of a religion at all. They are part of a whole body fitness program. FYI dingbat Balonado says that he is not raciest. Link to the story http://www.abqjournal.com/289858/news/pe-stretching-raises-religion-concern.html Stupid autocorrect it should be eastern not easter.
  24. Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back by Frank Schaeffer I liked this one. Something about his openness about what he though during his evangelical days appealed to me. One thing that stuck out to me in the craziness of his childhood was the overly-frank sex talks/information he got from his mother. Was anyone else disturbed by it? While I think that parents should be teaching their children about sex, it seemed like his mother crossed a line talking about her own sex life to a young child. But maybe I'm just a prude. I haven't had any exposure to Schaeffer's work outside of this book, so I'm wondering what other people who know more about him think about his claims regarding his influence in the development of the evangelical pro-life movement. Do you think he was as influential as he made himself out to be? Or is he inflating or exaggerating his importance? I can't help wondering if the movement would have developed the way it did without his contributions. Given the other fundies who were out there at that time (that I know more about) I suspect that it would have developed anyway, but maybe not. What did other people think? Updated Schedule July 1: In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible and How it Changed a Nation, a Language and a Culture by Alister McGrath August 1: Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith by John Krackauer September 1: Was America Founded as a Christian Nation?: A Historical Introduction by John Fea October 1: The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
  25. Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood and the Prison of Belief by Lawrence Wright Before starting this book I didn't know much about Scientology other than it's considered to be a kooky religion by most people, there are a lot of books and Tom Cruise is a member and he's always creeped me out, even as a kid. I was rather surprised at how unhinged Ron Hubbard appears to have been. His interpersonal relationships seem so disfunctional and his relationship with the teenage Messengers is just creepy even if there didn't seem to be a sexual component to it- you can groom a child without being overtly sexual about it. Without having lived through it I keep wondering how people can be so brainwashed as to accept his dictates as normal or appropriate, those punishments on the boats sound down right sadistic. I wasn't able to finish the book due to real life and getting the book late from the library. In the last thread Rita asked about moving the discussions to once a month. Given that I haven't managed to finish the last two books in time I'm starting to think she's right. Would people prefer to keep it at twice a month or move to once a month? If we go to once a month does starting the thread on the first of the month still work for people? Any other ideas or suggestions? May 15: Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back by Frank Schaeffer June 1: In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible and How it Changed a Nation, a Language and a Culture by Alister McGrath June 15: Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith by John Krackauer July 1: Was America Founded as a Christian Nation?: A Historical Introduction by John Fea July 15: The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
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