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  1. https://www.elle.com/culture/books/a23080420/growing-up-evangelical-purity-movement-linda-kay-klein-pure/ This time I posted the link first, so I don't forget like the last time! This is a very interesting read and it explains quite a bit. It's a short interview with Linda Kay Klein about the book she wrote regarding the purity culture.
  2. "I Survived I kissed dating goodbye" is being made by a woman who goes to the same Theology School as Josh Harris. She outlines it: "Through following Joshua Harris as he engages his critics, his fans and various Christian leaders, we get to see the complexities surrounding sexuality finally given expression and attention." So.
  3. http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2017/04/17/brio_focus_on_the_family_s_magazine_for_teen_girls_is_back_in_print.html Yes, FoF's silly adventure into teen Jesus lovers is BACK! Don't forget to buy your favorite teen sub this summer! You can keep them save from all the bad words, abortions and other worldly distractions of the modern teen. Oh and buy them a Duck Dynasty prom dress too!
  4. 19 cats and counting

    The Atlantic article on purity

    http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/05/the-unintended-consequences-of-purity-pledges/481059/
  5. Interesting. http://phyliciadelta.com/saved-first-kiss-for-wedding-day/
  6. Some crazy, funsy bride in Maryland presented her father with a "Certificate of Purity" at her wedding reception. http://www.buzzfeed.com/terripous/this-brides-certificate-of-purity-is-causing-a-massive-debat?utm_term=.cidDPQZaL#.qw890x4Ly
  7. sophie10130

    "Give Me Sex Jesus" Film

    Has anyone seen the documentary Give Me Sex Jesus? As someone who grew up steeped in this culture, I'm more than a little nervous that this movie will hit a little too close to home. You can watch it on their website http://givemesexjesus.com/ I was sort of surprised that I haven't seen any mention of it on FJ. If it's already being discussed let me know! And mods feel free to delete.
  8. Sobeknofret

    The Maxwells Do Purity Culture

    This is an article I found on Patheos, about how purity culture isn't just about sex, but maintaining an unobtainable purity of life, excluded from the world as well. The whole time I was reading it, all I could think of were the Maxwells. patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2015/09/03/purity-culture-isnt-just-a-sex-thing-its-a-do-nothing-thing/ Relevent observations include: The Moody books anyone?
  9. I hadn't ever actually seen any of the engaged Josh/Anna hand sex so I watched a couple of videos. One showed Anna talking shortly before her wedding. She mentioned that her mother took her aside and talked with her about being intimate with her husband. She said she is glad she didn't get that information until she needed it. I know Jim Bob had a talk with Josh and gave him a book. So are these kids completely in the dark until that time? I honestly can't remember a time when I had no clue at all about how things work. It seems like it would be almost terrifying if you had no clue about your spouse's anatomy until the minute you were supposed to start baby making! FTR, I felt almost embarrassed watching the hand sex! I wanted to get them some rubber gloves to prevent a hand pregnancy!
  10. Maybe this doesn't deserve it's own thread, but I don't know where else I should add it so here we go: Jessa is often quoted (talking about herself and Ben): "Our early twenties"? Ben is 19! And when Jessa's parents were in their early twenties they had been having sex for YEARS since they got married when they were 17 and 19. None of this makes any sense. What's worse though is that JB and Jichelle's dating relationship is usually used as a story of regret: "We didn't save our first kiss but we wish that we had so that's what our kids should do" (but "We didn't have sex so our kids shouldn't either")
  11. You know both Jim Bob and Michelle have gone on about how courtship avoids heartache and giving away pieces of your heart to the wrong person, etc. but that isn't really valid unless the courtship is successful. I mean, what if they start a courtship and don't like each other? Or one does but not the other. That leads to at least one person being very hurt. The idea that courtship prevents heartache is ridiculous really. You are putting an awful lot of pressure on the couple that it is God's plan and the one S/He's chosen to them as their perfect mate or whatever, so I imagine it might be difficult to say you don't want to marry the person, especially if it's been a few months, or worse...everyone else loves them (parents, etc.). Sometimes being with the wrong person a few times helps one know what they don't want in their forever mate. Do they all just want someone like their father? I know they say that, but do you think they really mean it? I wonder how many Fundies get into a courtship and end up married because they felt they couldn't back out, especially if their parents loved the person and felt they were a perfect match!
  12. Hooligan

    "Early" Baby Dilly?

    OK, so now that we know for sure it is not twins and given how HUGE Jill looks in the latest IG post, anyone else secretly hoping for a robustly healthy, 9lb "8-month preemie"? I just got back from my Dentist's office and she is pregnant and due in early December and you can hardly tell she is even pregnant. An "early" Dilly would but such a perversely happy moment for me!
  13. An article in US Weekly quotes the Jslaves book: "G-d has created us to have natural physical desires towards men. We thank G-d for making us normal." - Jill. Or maybe Jessa. It's unspecified. Not that this is any kind of shocker, but I threw up a little in my mouth nonetheless. (Note about the dash: it's a thing some Jews do. I'm one of them. It's about sacred names, etc. More about it if you ask.)
  14. It's just bothersome how Jim Bob and Michel keep blabbering about not waiting to kiss before marriage. Doesi t make you more special? Kissing is an act of affection. It seems to be a way of one upping each other IMO. I alosget the feeling they wished the had been raised Fundie and had a courtship story to share.
  15. This is clearly a big deal in the Fundy world with the Purity Balls and such, and it's also a big deal for the Duggars...with the not even kissing until the wedding. I would not be surprised if Ben was still a virgin, and we know Jessa is, and Jill was, but do you think Derick was more experienced having gone to a secular university and so on?
  16. I know, I know, they are Fundamental Christians and staying a virgin until your wedding night is expected, but the lengths that the Duggars go to, not just in the Courting Rules, but also in bathing suit wear for the girls, and their emphasis on no frontal hugs, no dancing... it all leads to tempting impure thoughts (according to them). Is it just me, or does it almost feel like they put so much focus on trying not to have sex, or even stuff they feel encourages sexual/lustful feelings, that it's like that's all it seems to be about. It's almost like it's got a spotlight on it when even innocent affection like holding hands or dancing suddenly is verboten because it might lead to MORE. And JB & J'Chelle dry humping on the mini golf course when on a double date with Ben and Jessa. I mean, who does that?! I would never humiliate my child like that, plus no one wants to be reminded that they are having sex or given a demonstration over mini golf. It's like that and God is their whole focus instead of marriage being about establishing a true friendship and intimacy with your spouse. They don't even seem to be very affectionate or genuinely connected to the kids. It all feels so surface and fake. Everything is always about being Godly and their Faith and not creating lustful thoughts. It's just weird. Not to mention all the "So, what you think? Do you like him/her?" all the time when they barely know one another and are never alone anyways. I also find this crap about giving away pieces of your heart illogical. How is courting any better than dating. If anything, courting would be more hurtful if it didn't work out because it's taken so very seriously with marriage as the intended outcome. Whereas dating isn't always assumed to be all that serious early on or at least not until the couple feels they know each other well. Courting doesn't always work out and people still get hurt. I found it strange that Jessa and Ben were saying I Love You to each other but it wasn't okay to hold hands?! To me, saying I love you is much more intimate than holding hands. Plus publicly calling herself Jessa Seewald before they were even engaged? I mean even if they know that marriage is what's expected, I still think it'[s inappropriate to publicly start calling yourself that until you're married. I just find it strange how they cross some boundaries that most of the women I know wouldn't do in dating, and yet other stuff that is so innocent that it's barely even considered intimacy, like hand-holding, is not allowed. Just feels like way too much emphasis on the physical, on lust and purity and clearly a fear that they would have no self control if allowed to dance or hug face to face or hold hands! It makes me feel like Jessa and Ben are so eager to marry just so they can touch and have sex that beyond being attracted to each other physically, the rest doesn't seem important. And then, no birth control, so you rush into marriage so you can have intimacy and then are probably pregnant within the first six months so you still barely have time to become a couple and really know each other. It's like Jim Bob and Michelle really don't care at all about their kids emotional well being or true happiness as long as they tow the partyline.
  17. One thing I noticed watching Erin Bates wedding was this whole thing about how romantic the courtship and engagement was, and then how much like a fairytale the wedding was, and with the whole not-kissing until they are married it all plays into this sort of fairytale story of waiting for The One. But it made me wonder if the sheltering and protecting (from the real world and dating) of these girls doesn't make it more of a shock when reality hits later after the wedding. They talk about how their courtship allows them to become best friends and really get to know each other, but I don't think they really do. They are so on their best behaviour, so to speak, and always chaperoned and being careful not to touch. I think the guys get swept up into all the attention and fairytale aspect of the whole experience as much as the girls, but then what happens after the novelty wears off, or a few babies come along and money is tight and they are so young and stunted emotionally and with regards to life in general. Even Michelle admitted to losing it when the kids were young. But I think there will be even more pressure to be blissful mothers who have it all *joyfully* under control due to the Duggars expectations and the show's image. Just trying to imagine the pressure they would feel to be the perfect wife and mother (and the perfect father, husband and provider for a quickly growing family). I think of Ben and Jessa and they are so young and seem so unrealistic and unprepared in so many ways. Sure they love the fairytale they are featured players in right now, but what will happen later? Who do you think will crack? Anna? Jessa? How many kids in?
  18. These awesome women, of "Sex with Ducks" fame, have created a new ode to fundiedom. It's called "the Loophole" and made me laugh hysterically and have to explain saddlebacking to my European roommate. And now I'm debating the ramifications of reposting it; how many fundie lite friends will Bible verse me for this... Because I'm a generous person (and drank a lot of wine tonight) I've decided to share the awesome with FJ. Enjoy! Warning: Not suitable for work. Excessive use of crude language, such as "fuck".
  19. chiccy

    Amish and Virginity

    It seems the Amish are allowed to have sex during Rumspringa. Does that mean they don't ultimately care about the whole purity/saving-yourself-for-marriage thing? Or is it assumed that anyone who wants to stay in the community after Rumspringa will not have sex?
  20. Did anyone else watch the most recent episode of ABC's What Would You Do? One of the segments was about a young Mormon couple. The woman confesses that she is not a virgin, and the fiance calls off the wedding: RtfPw2dRRvo Drove me crazy! Especially the ending with all that talk about "forgiveness." The show almost seems to be endorsing the idea that pre-marital sex is something that needs to be forgiven.
  21. Gothard preaches complete purity until marriage. Do you think he is actually "pure"? (as in never even kissed someone). After all, he's not married.
  22. Did anyone else see this today? A man actually posted a picture of his sheet after consummating his marriage. Warning, it's a little gross. http://stfubelievers.tumblr.com/post/13 ... arriage-so Such a creep. I wonder how his wife felt about about him posting this.
  23. debrand

    Spencer Kimball - mormon

    Another thread made me curious who the Mormon, Spencer Kimball was and I found some offensive quotes from him. Hopefully, mormons don't still believe this http://www.i4m.com/think/leaders/spence ... chings.htm The second quote might not make sense if you don't realize that at one point, Mormons believed that after salvation the convert became white. That teaching was changed in the seventies.
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