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  1. Since this crosses Quivers I figured I put it here. So we know that the older Bateseses girls went to JTTH and that the oldest Duggar girls did as well. Also Pris went and I think Suze Waller. Did Anna go? I think I saw mentioned that Ashley Sayler went. And I think we've seen pictures of at least one Paine girl there. I'm wondering about the next group of kids. Has Joy Anna gone? Will the young girls go? In 10 years will there be a pick of the lost girls with Callie and Addallee at JTTH? On a related note, we've seen one Duggar boy after another go off to Alert. Have any of t
  2. So, I was looking through old group shots of Journey to the Heart attendees and found some interesting things that we have not discussed. Most notably Chad Paine has attended JTTH seven times that I counted: June 2013, May 2012, October 2009, October 2008, June 2008, October 2007, August 2007. This is a ridiculously enormous number of times. Other Bateses and Bates spouses/courtees have also gone: Brandon Killeen on October 2009 and August 2009, Erin and Michaela Bates in March 2009 and even what’s his face who married Alyssa in April 2007. Priscilla has a
  3. For unspecified reasons, I have recently taken a special interest in Journey to the Heart (you know that Gothard camp that the older Duggar girls go to sometimes), and I found out some interesting things that I didn't know before. The basics: JTTH lasts 10 days and costs $800 for non-ATI students and $500 for ATI students. It's for single people aged 13 - 30. They have separate ones for boys and girls. For young men they mention that jeans are acceptable, and to bring neat, casual clothing. Shockingly, pants, shorts and capris are allowed for young women as long as they fall under
  4. BriarRose1122

    So what was up with Jana??

    Im sorry but every time I think of Jana I think "Poor Jana". She just seems like such a sweet, kind girl who has a LOT of past hurts and sad memories. Being the oldest girl, she got the heaviest burdens when it came to watching the younger ones and helping with chores. And being one of the oldest kids in general, she got the brunt of her parents child rearing tenchniques. I honestly think the little ones now like Jenny, Jordyn, Josie are most likely NOT experiencing the same "child rearing techniques" that Josh, Jana, John David etc were exposed to. My op
  5. TheEnglishButterfly

    Reprogramming camps for the kids?

    So I'm sorry if its been discussed..... but I've seen things here am there through the years that a few of the Duggar kids have been sent to reprogramming camps.... can anyone elaborate? Who had to go, when and why? What camps were they? I think I heard 2 girls and a boy have gone througj the years.... any info? I'd love to read more.... I've read about these programming camps being downright abusive, either mentally or physically and often both! Thanks for any info
  6. I didn't know if I should post this but maybe FJ can give me some advice. One of my classmates/friend from high school sent both her daughters(14,15) to JTTH last year We keep in contact from time to time and she told me her daughters had so much fun They went hiking,camping, swimming,etc. She's wants to send them again this summer(for more brainwashing) She told me it was a Christian retreat. She said maybe my daughter would have interest in it(hell no)I don't think she's fundie just married to a conservative. Her kids attend a private christian school. My heart really hurts now for her and
  7. I found this picture from JTH on the Duggar Fangirls Facebook page. Get a look at the girl in the green shirt, dead center. You cannot miss her hair. I'm sure the girl is very nice.... but her hair. It's like some animal fanning out around her head. What is it with these fundie girls and big, huge, Harper Valley PTA hair? And another questions, how did she get it to stay like that for longer than 30 seconds?
  8. Does anyone recognize any of the "ladies" in the current Journey? livingthejourney.com/2013/07/15/july-2013-girls-journey/
  9. According to Robert Staddon on the Journey to the Heart page, there is a group of young men currently on a journey to the heart. The picture of the group includes a Duggar child, I'm pretty sure it's Joseph. I'm wondering about all this (expensive) ATI indoctrination for Joseph. Is he particularly troublesome or particularly devout? I'm actually inclined to think devout. Screenshots included cause I'm on phone.
  10. I know this has been talked about, but I was just looking at "Duggar family Blog". They have a post on the Duggar girls at journey to the heart, and it looks like Jana has been at every journey in 2012 and many in 2011, while Jill has been at at least half. What on earth is she getting out of these constant journeys? In the pics she doesn't look like a supervisor or anything, she is dressed exactly the same as the other women and scattered through the photo lineups in various places. Also, the story states that JTTH is available for both boys and girls, as well as for f
  11. SpeakNow

    Journey to the Heart

    Photos of the Duggar daughters at JTTH https://picasaweb.google.com/101532170424444521371/TheDuggarGirlsOnAJourneyToTheHeartSeptember2009#
  12. recoveringgrace.org/2012/07/how-to-spiritually-manipulate-young-people-in-six-easy-steps/ Apparently, if you enjoy reading a novel, that's bad because it steers you away from loving God. That's how Gothard gets those girls on Journey to the Heart to feel bad about themselves and make them see how "sinful" they are, when they're really not. These poor girls are so vulnerable that a simple questionnaire, like the one posted, could break any of them down. According to Gothard, any simple pleasure in life that doesn't involve God, makes you an awful and selfish person.
  13. http://livingthejourney.com/2012/01/26/all-things/ I don't think she will ever marry but be perfectly content being a career missionary and/or devout Gothard employee like Pris Keller.
  14. FJismyheadship


    On the 19 KAC facebook page a girl is claiming to have gone on the Journey with Jana and that there will be an epi about it! What do you think?
  15. I read either on here or on TWOP that Jana is going to Gothard HQ to be a Journey of the Heart leader? Does this mean that she will be living in Chicago and working for Gothard, as Anna Keller did for 2 years before she married David? I don't know if this is true or a rumor- thanks for any information. Also, was it ever confirmed publically that Anna is pregnant? Last photo I saw of her,compared to her family reunion pictures on Susanna Keller's picasa ,she looks so pregnant that I wonder if she is having twins
  16. Who on earth wrote this stellar sales piece for the Gothard indoctrination camp? I wish I could write them to ask them to please fire their "editor." Sorry, I still haven't figured out the embed feature here, so the link follows: iblp.org/iblp/discipleship/journeytotheheart/howjourneyworks/ I would have been downgraded for this mess in the 6th grade (ebil public school, of course). Wouldn't "a breathtaking, remote piece of God's creation" been sufficient? In that sentence, the its/it's blunder wouldn't have been an issue.
  17. bozgirl14

    Jessa = Jana 2.0?

    There is some speculation on TWOP and DWOP that Jessa has been banished, a la Jana, from being too visible on the show. Just last season she and Jinger were giggling in TH's about Josh's weight gain and about milking the cow on the trip to Europe. Now Jinger is smiling blandly and parroting whatever new TH partner Jill is saying, and Jessa is relegated to background shots. Some posters on the other boards are wondering if she will be sent off to re-conditioning camp soon. Notice Jana is now back on the show, keeping sweet and even accompanying JB and OfJB on a campaign trip to Michigan. Intere
  18. fencesitter

    Duggar website pic

    So this may be old news, but I was cruising the Duggar website photos and came across one in the "Journey to the heart" album of all of the girls eating the large cucumber sized pickles. Maybe I have a dirty mind, but I am truly surprised this on the website... Am I the only person who thinks the pic of girls shoving pickles in their mouths is, um, *suggestive*?
  19. I've seen people on here talk about her "re-education" What exactly does that mean?
  20. Has Joybeen sent to the Journey of the Heart yet? Some have noticed that she looks more Kool Aided and girls who resemble her greatly have been seen in photos. So has she, and ifso, is her spirit still there or will she have to go for re-education like (possibly) Jana?
  21. I found some pics on one of the Query girls facebook of a 'Journey to the Heart' retreat, and there were pictures of the girls kneeling with Priscilla's fiance and Bill Gothard himself with hands on them praying and such with the only description on the photo being "Anointing for Greater Works!" Was wondering if anyone could tell me what this process is for in Gothardism/ATI/IBLP etc? What it means etc. Is it basically the same as any blessing? <>
  22. holierthanyou

    Bible Memory Verses?

    While happily wasting some time jumping from Fundy blog link to Fundy blog link, I came across this blog which is for (current? former?) ATI "Journey to the Heart" girls, where they talk about how this month's Bible memory verse is to memorize the entire chapter of Romans 8 (39 verses). That seems like an impressive feat (or at least it would be impressive for my paltry brain). http://www.livingthejourney.com/ Anyway, it made me curious if most Fundies see that much Scripture memorization (on a constant basis) to be 'normal'? I had been under the impression that there w
  23. Would it be wrong to infiltrate Journey To The Heart? Like seriously if I won the lottery, would it be wrong to sign up, and go embark on this journey... mostly to bring back the snark factor? Not that I will win the lottery... but I was just curious.
  24. I was on the Duggar's website and I saw a link to the Institute in Basic Life Principles. It's a Bill Gothard thing apparently. It costs $500 to $800 depending on ATI membership, and you get to meet Bill Gothard on the first day one on one. Anyway, I was checking out the Journey to the Heart thing that the Duggar girls attended, and the age ranges just don't make sense. From their website, "Journeys for young ladies and young men are for ages ranging from 13 to 30 years old. Journeys for fathers and mothers are designed for anyone age 30 and above." A) I don't understand how they c
  25. Someone on TWOP posted a photo of the girls who went on the retreat and speculated Jana was one of the counselors as she was sitting with the group on the bottom that included Priscella Keller-Gotthard supreme cheerleader.In that she wasn't forced to go.Do you think she has just resigned herself and decided to do the best she can with life handed to her?
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