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Gothard recently took seven of the people who accused him to court claiming the lawsuit if frivolous and that they need to pay all his legal bills. The judge did not side with him, he is not getting his legal bills paid. Alfred wants everyone to know that Gothard isn't planning to give up. He has plenty of spare time on his hands and is plotting revenge wanting the people to be responsible for their actions. http://www.discoveringgrace.com/2019/01/11/court-hearing-on-sanctions-and-protective-order-motions/
Gothard had released another article defending his stance of focusing on pretty teen girls. Alfred from Discovering Grace posted it for him. So his mother, out of the blue, called little Bill over and just said "your name means protector" and that was it? We are supposed to believe that story? Why does it matter if his sister was attractive except to set the stage to explain that from a young age he had to protect attractive girls? And the dialogue reads like a Moody book. That conversation didn't happen that way. And he had more than one sister. Was the other sister less attractive? Weird that I don't ever remember hearing this story before. You would think that in all the talks he has given about his highschool years he would have brought up this. Why was a 13 year old teen in a session where youth leader wives were discussing the difficulties of their position? Oh yes, Bill must remind us he is as pure as the driven snow. He leaps forward in time to his years giving conferences and to justifying how he only paid attention to pretty teens. See it was good he made pretty teen girls his focus! He was doing God's work! He now gets to the point where he is taking ATI students to Russia. The entire thing is essentially admitting he skipped unattractive teens and elevated attractive ones. There seems to be no awareness that his actions would hurt those he deemed not pretty enough. By saying he only protected pretty teens he then became the person who hurt teenagers who didn't live up to his beauty standards. One of the people from Russia supposedly said A Russian leader of education refused to meet with ATI students because she said she wasn't impressed by American school students but then this happened. This is really disturbing. Gothard made the entire focus superficial appearances. Then Gothard moves on to explaining that fathers sent their attractive teen daughters to him. He concludes that he paid extra attention to the pretty teens because they needed it, not because he is a creepy man who like to surround himself with sheltered, attractive teen girls. http://www.discoveringgrace.com/2018/08/28/why-i-dedicated-my-life-to-serve-youth-and-their-families/
A thread like this was started in the Duggar section so I decided to start one here. Does anyone think BUB should stay on the air? If so, why? I personally think it needs to be canceled and they all need to fade into obscurity. ~Reality TV is not good for children. ~This show provides a platform to normalize high ranking members of a hateful, dangerous cult along with normalizing their beliefs. ~It gives them money and makes it appear to them that "God" is blessing them for believing and teaching awful things.
It is time for IBLP"s family conference! Gil Bates has a video where he encourages families to skip their regular vacation and instead spend their money on the IBLP family conference. There are sessions on: ~preparing your family for persecution ~being ready for death ~the rewards you will get in heaven ~not being for sale at any price ~real science confirms the Bible is true and much, much more. Gil and Kelly do the opening welcome followed by the Paines(best know as Erin Bates Paine's inlaws) giving a greeting. Gil and Kelly are teaching five of the sessions but they are being vague about what they will be teaching. Michelle and Jim Bob are teaching two sessions, one called Counting On(how original) and the other called Desiring the Lord to Direct Your Steps. https://familyconferences.org/events/family-conference/bigsandy18/ One of the speakers will be a guy who runs a company called CharacterHealth Corporation. It is endorsed by IBLP and James Dobson and was shown on Fox News, Hannity, and Glen Beck's show, so it is safe to say it is a pile of dangerous rubbish.
IBLP has a video up of Gil trying to guilt people into spending their family vacation money on an IBLP event. Instead of taking a vacation with your family, come to one of the IBLP family conferences! He promises that it will change your life and your family will talk about it all year*. So don't take your kids on a regular vacation, take them to an IBLP family conference! The boys have fun and the girls get to sit inside and memorize the Bible! Yeah! Your kids will totally prefer this to an actual vacation. Gil is totally not saying this because he wants your money to help finance his lifestyle. The sad thing is, unlike Gil and Kelly who now seem to live perpetually on vacation, some of these families will save every dime they have to come to this because IBLP heaps loads of guilt on families who don't attend. For some IBLP children this is the only vacation they ever know. https://iblp.org/seminars-conferences/family-conferences *true. the kids are going to be talking about this to their therapists for years.
dawbs posted a topic in Wide World of SnarkIt is filled with....such lovely stuff. It's a kinda pretty book. And it won't fall into the wrong (right?) hands at least now. I'm skimming over it to find what sorts of horrors are buried inside, since I've just started.
MamaJunebug posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill GothardIBLP is selling at least part of its real estate in Oz, and if that isn't good news enough, a newspaper report calls the group a cult, describes the Duggars' show as "canned" (aka "cancelled") and also mentions the peccadilloes of Josh & Mr. G!!! ETAsk, don't need to hide the image? I'm sorry if so! It's bunktime for me *and* my phone, I'm loopy.
I know a lot of people have wondered what exactly the Wisdom Booklets taught. Recovering Grace is doing a series discussing parts of them. http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2015/10/an-ati-education-chapter-1-under-the-umbrella/ This article points out how all these teachings lead to the idea that no one can question Bill Gothard because questioning him is like questioning God. http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2015/10/an-ati-education-chapter-2-is-it-just-me/ The Wisdom Booklets were set up to train people, even the parents, to doubt themselves and their ability to make decisions so that they would follow Bill without question. http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2015/12/an-ati-education-chapter-3-thou-shalt-not-trap-the-eye/ http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2015/12/an-ati-education-chapter-4-the-law-of-grace/ This last quote really describes a Wisdom Book. It is just a mishmash of different stuff.
doggie posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill GothardHe would be screaming grabbing his bible and a few young female interns and with his pants on fire and fly off in his jet. Though I can't really blame him they are pretty horrible. They are uglier then his soul and that's pretty ugly. http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/you-t ... abies.html Reborn baby dolls have been around for a few years now, and while some people love them so much they actually treat them like real babies, their ultra-realistic look creep a lot of people out. But one artist has managed to make these thing even creepier by making vampire reborn babies. After seeing Chucky the killer doll in those cheesy 90s horror movies, Iâ€™ve never looked at dolls the same way I used to. So itâ€™s fair to say the first time I saw photos of reborn baby dolls, I freaked out a little bit. Donâ€™t get me wrong, I admire the skill and patience of artists who spend hours on end sculpting these realistic newborns and applying several layers of paint just to make their skin look more natural, but i wouldnâ€™t want to have one of them in my house. And just when I though reborn babies couldnâ€™t get any creepier, I discovered artist Bean Shanine, who creates vampire and zombie reborn babies.