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  1. Just when you think you've heard everything. The AP has reported on a group formerly called Opus Bono Sacerdotii, now called Men of Melchizedek. From the AP story: Former leaders of Opus Bono Sacerdotii (OBS) included the recently ousted Cardinal Eduard Perrone, removed from his Detroit parish after allegations of sexual abuse. Perrone is an arch-conservative, Latin-Mass kind of guy. OBS morphed into the Men of Melchizedek after the Michigan AG busted OBS for breaking state law governing non-profits.
  2. When a Catholic Bishop steps in it, he really steps in it
  3. Ugh If I was a legislator I'd tell the good Bishop he can suck it. I am so goddamn glad I gave the Roman church the ol heave ho back in 2012.
  4. This one here... The TL;DR version is he's playing the "immodest dress" violin. The men are wrong but the women are just as wrong. The 40's-60's wrecked the hemline and then wrecked the marriage. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2018/12/bishop-blames-the-victim-claims-immodest-dress-of-women-causes-sexual-assault/?fbclid=IwAR09CXzxicms71TsOyC6d6RQYw2zRoZwdStpJiz8epxgqbjgJ7udrfbrBv0
  5. Bishop Morlino of Madison died last night I suppose I should be nice after his passing but his effect on the Madison diocese was negative at best. Of course every media outlet in the area will now be claiming he's the greatest Catholic since Jesus Christ.
  6. We were discussing Bonnie and her latest pregnancy in the Upcoming Babies thread a bit, but her latest post really pissed me off. http://www.aknottedlife.com/2018/10/a-response-to-president-emmanuel-macron.html The president of France apparently said something that implied that women who are educated would be less likely to have huge numbers of children, and Bonnie has taken it as a personal insult. She also displays an absolutely stunning lack of perspective and apparently zero understanding that things outside her bubble of white American middle class privilege can be wildly, wildly different. She says: Yes, Bonnie. YOU had a choice. Your other Super Catholic middle class American friends all had a choice. You STILL have a choice. That's wonderful for you. But do you really not comprehend that many girls in poorer, less democratic countries, do NOT have the same choice? Please look an uneducated, abused 16-year-old girl who was forcibly married at 12 and is pregnant with her third child in the eye and tell her that babies are gifts and what's happening to her is beautiful and joyful and powerful. Look at how many women ~200 years ago had huge families, look at how many women choose to do so now, then look at how many women were educated ~200 years ago vs. now, and you tell me that Emmanuel Macron isn't basically right. The point isn't that educated women who choose to have 7+ children are wrong or bad or stupid - the point is that educating women gives them the freedom to make that choice, and hey, sorry, Bonnie, but it turns out most women don't end up choosing that. The ability to choose to stop at, say, three kids instead of thirteen, can make an absolutely ENORMOUS difference in quality of life for a woman, her existing children, and the community. It can even mean the difference between life and death. Lady, are you for real? Why don't you pray that you get your head out of the Catholic Church's butt long enough to realize how incredibly naive and absurd this makes you sound.
  7. Something good happened in Rome; Hopefully all the neocon enablers of Romero's murderers in this country are experiencing some grade a level butthurt over this.
  8. An enquiry commissioned by the German Bishops and comducted by Universities of Giessen, Heidelberg and Mannheim finds more than 3600 minors were abused by clergy since 1947. And more than half of them were younger than 13yo when abused. Enquiry also says that real numbers are probably much higher. http://time.com/5394761/germany-catholic-church-sex-abuse-cases/
  9. 47of74

    Catholic Stories

    As is often the case a woman had to step up and take care of stuff when the priest was out of town and his replacement was a no show
  10. Ugh I suppose the reich to life fucks will soon be out parroting this horseshit. This is exactly why I'll never return to the Catholic church for any reason. Francis might be a little bit to the left of Benny or JPII but this shows there's not much daylight between him and either man.
  11. By his own admission, Father Joseph Jeyapaul raped two girls when he was assigned to a parish in Minnesota. He fled to his native India, but was extradicted and got a reduced sentence for admitting his guilt. After serving his scant one year sentenced he was deported and suspended from ministry. That should have been the end of the story, but the Vatican reinstanted Jeyapaul into the priesthood and has been assigned to a parish in India where he is in charge of religious education: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/24/the-vatican-just-put-a-convicted-rapist-back-in-a-parish.html Megan Peterson, one of the victims in the Minnesota case, is now filing a public danger (nuisance) federal lawsuit against the Ootacamund diocese in Tamil Nadu, India for putting Jeyapaul back into ministry and in contact with minors. If you thought that the abuse crisis was over or that Francis was cleaning house, this article shows otherwise. As difficult as prosecuting abusers is in the US, it must be much, much harder in a developing nation like India. The fact that Jeyapaul is in charge of religious education even though he used that post to meet and groom victims in Minnesota reminds me of stories from Boston in the 1950s and 1960s, where the archdiocese knew that such and such a priest had been molesting children but still put him in charge of children' activities in another parish. If rape doesn't make someone unfit for ministry, I don't know what does.
  12. Pope Francis declared he didn't see any evidence of misconduct against a Chilean bishop despite testimony of victims and dismissed them as slandering. This makes me so ragey. It's never the wrong moment to remind victims that their words don't matter as much as a bishop's words.
  13. Todays' WTF moment brought to you by Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas... leftwingnation.org/kansas-archbishop-warns-his-bishops-to-be-wary-of-pesky-girl-scouts/
  14. This post is late, I know. I promised in AYTFJ I would put it up almost two months ago. Unfortunately, I didn't end up having time before I went out of the country a week later, and got busy when I got back. For those of you that don't read there, a very good college friend of mine converted to Catholicism, and sent me the invitation below, featuring required modest dress for a (Traditional Catholic? wedding). I still have no idea what this church or wedding was all about, so hopefully you guys can help me dissect the info I collected. I apologize in advance for the very long length of this post/thread. I’m going to try to split them up, as I’ll be outlining the program and including a few of the sung prayers for maximum fundie exposure. I don’t have everything finished and typed up, but by this point, starting the post will help me finish, haha. The wedding itself was held in a small converted Baptist church. Unfortunately, I forgot to take a picture of my "fundie modest" look, but rest assured no frumpers were involved. When my friends and I entered the church, the priest took one look at me and said "nice hat!" Before we entered the sanctuary, we were given a 32-page wedding program. One of my friends who has alopecia was accosted with a cheap white doily, which was promptly pinned to her headscarf. Yes, there was a sea of shapeless dollar store doilies in the sanctuary. A few hats, couple of head scarves, a girl frantically accosting people in the parking lot for a sweater, and two heathen hussies that just didn't care about defrauding men with their knees. I took the time before entering to grab every material and pamphlet available. I will post a couple of things down below, but in the interest of not posting 30+docs, here is a link to a recreational pamphlet I picked up: http://www.sspx.org/en/publications/newsletters/regina-coeli-report-aug-sep-2016 Feel free to peruse the rest of the website and give your thoughts. I'm uploading a church newsletter below. My memory here is a bit hazy now, but iirc, the altar boys (one very old, and one very young, oddly) entered and curtsied to the altar before bringing out some wedding supplies, and then curtsying again and shuffling out sideways. The wedding procession: The priest entered facing the altar and the bridesmaids and groomsmen entered before the bride. The bride was accompanied by her father. The bridesmaids wore long sleeveless low back dresses covered by a shawl tied in the back, and long white lace headscarves. The processional was a very funereal Bach organ piece, Schmucke dich, o lieve seele. The music throughout was provided by organ and a small choir in the balcony. All the music was in Latin, of course. The ceremony itself was mostly in Latin, however, the priest thankfully took pains to explain the ceremony in English. I sat on the groom's side, and got lucky enough to sit beside a large group of heathens that did not kneel for prayer. The ceremony began with the exhortation prior to marriage read by the priest. The order of marriage was as follows: I _____ wilt thou take _____, here present, for thy lawful husband/wife, according to the Rite of our holy Mother the Church. I, _____, take thee, _____, for my lawful husband/wife, to have and to hold, from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, until death do us part. The priest then spoke in Latin, I join you together in marriage, in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the holy ghost, amen. Next was the weird part. The priest sprinkled the couple with holy water along with another prayer, and then took a silver spoon with holy water and sprinkled the rings three times. The young altar boy kissed his hand before taking the spoon, curtsying to the altar, and removing it from the room. "With this ring I thee wed; this gold and silver I thee give; with my body I thee worship; and with all my worldly goods I thee endow. in the name of the father, (moves ring to first finger) and of the son, (moves ring to second finger) and of the holy ghost, (moves ring to ring finger) Amen. According to the program, the priest removed his cope and vests with the Chasuble to begin the wedding mass. The couple kneeled. The mass of the Catechumens began. "The "mass of Catechumens" dates back to then beginning of the church where psalms were read or sung to show honor to God. In the earliest of Christian times, this was the only part of the mass where nonchristians were allowed to participate." Next post will be some of the wedding mass outlines I've made.
  15. I can't summarize this nearly as well as others have. "Today, November 7th, 2016, the day before the presidential election, Father Frank Pavone of Priests for Life took the corpse of an aborted child–one that was given by a pathologist for a proper burial–laid it upon the altar, and posted a picture of it to Facebook. The reason? To convince you to vote for Donald Trump." From http://www.patheos.com/blogs/themackerelsnapper/2016/11/07/frank-pavone-is-a-sick-man/ and "...Fr. Pavone makes no secret that he put that dead child up on the altar and filmed him and plastered a still on Facebook in order to lobby for a particular presidential candidate. Is that what the altar of sacrifice in a Catholic Church is for?" From http://www.patheos.com/blogs/scottericalt/after-sick-political-stunt-fr-pavones-faculties-should-be-suspended/ Horrifying. I don't have the words at the moment strong enough to express my thoughts on this.
  16. Mother Angelica, founder of the EWTN Catholic cable channel died on Sunday (Easter, how apropos): http://www.cruxnow.com/church/2016/03/28/we-wont-look-on-the-likes-of-mother-angelica-again/ She was a staunch culture warrior and upholder of Catholic orthodoxy, but wasn't afraid to tell the bishops off if they displeased her. If nothing else, Mother Angelica represented how detached conservative Catholicism has become from the knee jerk clericalism of the pre-Vatican II era when a nun can take down the bishops and be considered a heroine by other "orthodox" Catholics.
  17. Yeah, setting up your boss is not a good career move... nydailynews.com/news/world/vatican-replace-ambassador-arranged-meeting-kim-article-1.2567132 Of course he had reached the mandatory age 75 where clergy are to send in their resignations, but the Pope doesn't always accept the resignations and keeps them working for a while longer if they feel up to it. However in this case Francis decided to replace the dude with someone else...
  18. roddma

    Pope vs.Trump

    Pope says Trump not real "Christian because he wants to build walls. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/world/americas/pope-francis-donald-trump-christian.html?_r=0
  19. Abigail and her family are moving back to Maryland. Abigail is excited to return to the "Land of Mary," and feels that her time in West Virginia was like being a missionary. abigails-alcove.blogspot.com/2014/05/a-happy-spring.html
  20. Abigail reviews a book on how to become friendly with saints and angels. abigails-alcove.blogspot.com/2014/05/book-review-and-give-away-scott-hahns.html She especially loves the chapter that is apparently about how to become friendly with Moses. She says she already hosts a "Christian seder" every year and wants to recite Miriam's Song of the Sea at Easter. I knew about her doing a seder, but what the hell is the connection between Miriam and Easter? The idea of worshiping Moses or seeing him as a figure of intercession approaches offensive territory for me. In Jewish tradition, we don't know the location of his gravesite so that he could never be worshiped. And now Abigail is going to make him her best supernatural buddy.
  21. She finally got a new refrigerator, normal size one, for her birthday. Plus they painted the inside of their house. It looks cute. Still complaining about being poor.
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