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  1. https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a30284631/amish-sexual-abuse-incest-me-too/
  2. We've talked about the Amish and how they are different from fundies we've come to know and love...that they tend to not evangelize and try to be truly self-sufficient without being pricks etc. However, watching this new show on National Geographics Channel has given me a new perspective on the Amish. The show focuses on the lives of the ex-Amish, being told from the POV of a well known ex-Amish guy who tries to counsel and help those that just left the Amish community. The last few episodes showed how extremely prejudicial and cult-like some of the Amish community are. In conservative Amish communities, if a person leaves, they are shunned to the extent that their families will no longer talk with them, will not allow any ex-Amish back for even a brief visit. One ex-Amish teenager was severely hurt in a car accident, yet only one brother showed up to see him. His parents only made a brief phone call. Had this teen not left the Amish, his entire community would have shown up. However, because he decided to strike out on his own, to live a different path, it's like the entire community has forsaken him. There seems to be no room for forgiveness, for coming together in a tragedy. There was also a case of one nonAmish girl who wanted to be Amish but was told by the conservative Amish family she lived with that she would only be allowed one visit per year with her nonAmish family if she chooses that path. That isn't to say all Amish groups are like that. Among more liberal Amish groups, such as the Beachy Amish, the nonAmish girl found a family that welcomed her into their homes and told her her family was welcomed to visit her anytime. However, the stance of many Amish groups towards their members who leave reminds me of the fundies we know. They circle the wagon when outsiders are involved, they ostracize those that leave the fold. They condemn anyone nonAmish as people who will go to Hell. When one of the ex-Amish kid (age 19) died, his old Amish community came together to bury him. His ex-Amish friends also came to the funeral but they were clearly ostracized, forced to wait outside while everyone went into the house after the burial for food. The bishop at the funeral hinted that the horrible car accident that took the ex-Amish kid's life was the result of leaving the Amish fold and that he is most likely in Hell now. Yikes! how horrible is that? Anyone else see the show? It brings home the point that any closed group can act in a cult-like manner. Even in a pacifist religious group can be unyielding, unforgiving and particularly harsh to those that leave their group. Despite the Amish's reputation for forgiveness, it seems not all groups follow this idea and some seem to revel in the misfortune of those that leave their fold. What do others think?
  3. theinvisiblegirl

    Breaking Amish

    Does anyone watch this train wreck of a reality show? I've watched since the first season, and I just don't know if I want to watch the new one. I was very shocked when I found out just how fake the first season was, so TLC naturally dragged them back for more and more. So who's your favorite from the cast? Least favorite? What do you guys hate most about this show/these people? My favorite is Kate, or Mama Mary. Least favorite is tied with Sabrina and Jeremiah, though I also don't care much for Abe or Rebecca. As for what I hate most... I can't really put my finger on it. I just think they're in the same group as the cast of Party Down South that shouldn't be featured on television.
  4. The Atlantic just released an interview with a former Amish woman from Maine (lives in Texas now) named Emma Gingerich. She talks about technology, freedom of choice, education, and her family. Fascinating interview. Thoughts? https://www.yahoo.com/news/escaping-amish-connected-world-144323886.html
  5. Maude

    Breaking Amish

    Anyone else watching this? (It's on TLC) If this isn't a total sham, they've got to be New Order Amish because even your typical Old Order Amish wouldn't agree to be on camera (the one young man's family was shown). ETA: The one young woman is a Conservative Mennonite.
  6. I was checking out the PBS website today and noticed the documentary called "The Amish: Shunned." You can watch it online here: http://video.pbs.org/video/2365167007/ But sadly, the video expires tomorrow. (I did a search and did not see the video posted. There are so many documentaries about the Amish I have a hard time differentiating. Feel free to delete if this is not new.)
  7. This article came across my Facebook feed the other day and quite a few of the comments on it suggested that many puppy mills are run by the Amish and Mennonites. I'd never heard of this before, wondering if anyone else has? http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/30 ... ?cache=off
  8. No snark here, just concern: A couple of Amish girls, a 12-year-old and a 6-year-old, are missing and are presumed to have been abducted from the roadside stand where they helped family in upstate New York: http://www.localsyr.com/story/d/story/a ... s9NpKDgXtw (not breaking the link, since it's a news site)
  9. Buzzard

    Vanilla Ice Goes Amish

    I'm serious, this is actually a show on the DIY network. For some inexplicable reason someone thought it would be a good idea to take Vanilla Ice (time to get over your 1980s personna) and send him to stay in an Amish community in Ohio. Dressed like a thug Vanilla shows up, tats, earings and all, to stay with a nice man who I seriously doubt is actually Amish. Ice claims he's there to share his love of construction... He's even kind enough to help out with the laundry. My favorite part is the beginning when he says that his "fans" know him as Vanilla Ice but he doubts anyone knows him around there. Its a mix of "for richer for poorer" meets "a simple life" and "this old house"... without electricity. If you have a hankering for a washed up self promoting musician (wearing "ice ice baby" t shits) and a vast array of very clean baseball hats be sure you dont miss this show.
  10. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/amish-girl ... d=20168395 "A 10-year-old Amish girl will not be forced to undergo chemotherapy, an Ohio judge has ruled, siding with the girl's parents, who say previous chemotherapy made her sick." I guess she got one year of treatment and then they stopped it because of chemo side effects. I guess the parents are claiming that they weren't informed about the side effects. I'd like to know the whole story... they said she had multiple tumors when it was discovered so that makes me think it is metastatic and maybe she would have had a smaller chance of surviving and it would make sense to stop in that case, although the hospital says the chemo is 85% effective so maybe not. I'm not super familiar with different stages of lymphoma. In general though parents denying their kids modern medical care just angers me. You are putting your child in danger and I think it should be considered child abuse/neglect. Also, the judge ruled that "Even if the treatments are successful, there is a very good chance Sarah will become infertile and have other serious health risks for the rest of her life." I don't think this is a reason not to give a child life-saving treatment. I think surviving is better than not surviving and a child is not old enough to weigh the impact of long-term quality of life issues. Therefore, especially in decently cut-and-dry cases where it's get treatment and live vs. don't get treatment and die, we should ALWAYS save a child's life. It's not like this is an experimental last-ditch treatment or she is in a coma or something like that, there is a clear, effective treatment option. I also find it offensive that the judge/family seem to think it's not worth living if you're infertile or have health risks (wtf?). I think we're treading dangerously close to euthanasia if we can use that as justification for not giving a child treatment. Plenty of people have increased risks for diseases and/or are infertile and live happy, full lives. I imagine infertility would be complicated if you are Amish, but that's not justification to let your child die. ETA: I hope the hospital continues to appeal. ETA2: The judge also justified the decision by saying chemo is not a "surefire cure". I would say that nothing in medicine is 100% effective and this is BS. 85% is pretty darn good and worth a shot.
  11. So Betsy on Real Amish: LA keeps talking about having Demons in her head who talk to her. All the other cast members are worried about witchcraft, but I am thinking schizophrenia. Thoughts?
  12. So I just finished the 3 book series: Delusion, Deception, Deliverance: Growing up in an Amish Jewish Cult by Patricia Hochstetler. Has anybody else read these? Very interesting story and it has so much of what FJ talks about: Faux Jews, cult leaders, plain people, and a whole hell of a lot of cognitive dissonance. Patricia's parents are an Old Order Amish mother and a former-Pentecostal father who join this faux jewish-amish cult commune in the 1940s. When she finally leaves in the 1960s, she has never seen a radio or tv, never heard music, it's crazy. They are so isolated, first on this mountain commune and then as sharecroppers picking cotton. She only goes into town once ever as a teenager and is surprised at all the food at the market. Very quick read for anyone interested. My one beef is that it should have been a single book. I bought them used on Amazon.
  13. The widow of the Oct 2006 Amish schoolhouse shooter wrote a book and is now an inspirational Christian speaker. A short (4:50) video clip is in the link below. While I'm interested in hearing her story, it makes me feel squicky that she is profiting off of her husband's crime. I know people profit off of tragedy all the time, but this feels different, like she's using the fact that he killed those kids to give her an opportunity to "$hare God'$ love." Such a horrible situation, I do feel bad for her. http://mariemonville.com/about.php
  14. sandraglick.blogspot.com/2013/03/annoying-people.html Seriously, by the way some of the fundies I follow talk about the Amish, you would think they are the worst people ever. Also, the SOTDRT is painful in this one. I can excuse some grammar and spelling errors because some people just aren't that good at English, but spelling rude as "rood"?
  15. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... z1aCnr4nZX They're cutting off beards forcefully... I'm pretty sure thats a ridiculous shame!
  16. Aired on 3 Aug and available for a week on Iplayer, for those who can access it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... cret_Life/ Insomnia has struck and I am enjoying the latest fundie-docudrama to hit the small screen.
  17. http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/tv/breakin ... gn=fbtlc18 This appears to be an "Amish in the City 2" type show, complete with a little skin to keep the toddlers in tiara crew on board. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with this network?!?
  18. Peas n carrots

    Healing Earth New Amish

    This made me LOL. http://directory.ic.org/22805/Healing_Earth_New_Amish Wanna be Amish who basically don't want to follow the Ordnung with a little new-agey stuff thrown in. From their blog (their misson posted in 2008 when they were the Yavashuan Christian New Amish Church. http://farmingandranchinginrighteousness.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=2 So who is going to let Tabby know about this group? I think they are totally up her alley! ETA link
  19. I thought is was an interesting perspective...this blog post was submitted by a mother whose son went from being a student at Virginia Tech to joining the Amish. Methinks the mother has some issues with this, despite coming across as a conservative Christian. http://amishamerica.com/when-a-son-joins-the-amish/
  20. GeoBQn

    Amish: Out of Order

    Did anybody see this show on National Geographic last night? This week's episode dealt with a 16-year-old girl who wants to convert to be Amish. It reminded me of the discussion we had here of people romanticizing the Amish. The girl reminded me of when I was young. When I was having trouble fitting in, I was convinced that moving to another country would be the answer to my problems. Surely, people would appreciate me there! It would be like an adventure. She said that in a community where everyone dresses the same, she wouldn't have as much pressure to try to fit in. At that point, I wanted to give her a hard shake. In communities where everyone is supposed to be the same, there is even MORE pressure to fit in. There are Ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities where you are declared a deviant for not using the same brand of baby sling as everyone else!
  21. homeschoolmomma1

    Fundies and the Amish

    Okay, so I had an odd afternoon. I was at a Christian book store buying a First Communion present. My kids wondered off to the kids section because they always have a movie playing. Anyway, this fundie lady came up to me with like 8 kids in tow and said what a beautiful family I had and wondered if I was looking to have any more blessings. Personally, I felt that was just RUDE to ask that. She then went on about have it is good to continue to save others and what a wonderful thing it was to bring my kids to the bookstore (as though it made me more holy) I shouldn't call her fundie I guess cuz I don't know for sure. They all had the homemade dresses and long hair and were praising God left and right. Talking all about salvation and being saved. She asked if I was saved grrrr. I don't like that. Anyway, I said I had to go because I have Mass tonight. She looked confused and then walked away. One thing I noticed was she was carrying like 5 Amish fiction books (I think that is what you call them). She was telling her young daughter how good the books are. Why do they like the Amish so much? And the books?
  22. a nice amish dude from the farm my friend uses to get horses shod has married a nice amish girl from a neighboring community. i would like to get them a wedding gift. but what do you get people who live in another time period than we do? the only thing simple enough i can think of is a case of mason jars. i thought of sheets or towels, but what color? or is white too bright? everything else is too modern, i wonder if a manual can opener is too technical? any suggestions?
  23. I found this gem of a quote on the yoder family blog today (yoderfarm.blogspot.com): Never mind being disrespectful and rude in general, does anyone else find it particularly "rich" that the Yoder family is the one doing this? Well, I better head off now, as I have to go throw some pork in my neighbour's supper (it's against her religion to eat pork, so it seems like a funny thing to do).
  24. http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/loc ... 05.html?dr So they technically cant be charged with DUI because you have to be operating a motor vehicle...
  25. chiccy

    Amish and Virginity

    It seems the Amish are allowed to have sex during Rumspringa. Does that mean they don't ultimately care about the whole purity/saving-yourself-for-marriage thing? Or is it assumed that anyone who wants to stay in the community after Rumspringa will not have sex?
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