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Hi everyone. I've been a longtime member (mostly lurker) but I'm guessing my old account got deleted with one of the big changes so I have started a new one. I'm posting here because I am so curious why (seemingly) no one is talking about the connection with Trim Healthy Mama, Above Rubies, and Serene Allison's failed international adoptions and child abuse. I was considering ordering the book but stumbled upon all of the icky info about Serene's adoptions (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/christian-evangelical-adoption-liberia?page=1). Am I just confused or are these the same people? How did an abusive family like this rise to being so popular as authors without their past coming to light?
A post in which a mother explains why having a large number of children is easier than a smaller family: More children to do more of her job. Facebook post link: Above Rubies August 27th 2019 Some highlights: “I hadn’t slept well last night and because I’m pregnant, I slept in a little later. When I got up, I noticed my 13-year-old daughter preparing breakfast and getting all the clothes ready for the other children to wear to church. Another daughter was looking after the baby. All was well.” ”Each time a new baby comes along there are more and more arms wanting to hold the baby and play with him. There are more helpers to help with meals and keep the home running smoothly.” “I think the most overwhelming time of motherhood is when you have your first two or three children. You have no helpers. But as children come along, you have more and more helpers.” I personally believe there is nothing wrong with having a larger family, or having older kids help out. What is wrong is to contextualize the number of children within the number of helpers you have when those helpers are, well, the existing children. Then those babies become helpers: when does the cycle end? I suppose by the time the youngest is no longer a baby that the oldest could be a quiverful parent needing help from the siblings they raised. I guess everything comes full circle? There is nothing wrong with helping out, but if you are raised with that being your deemed purpose, that is sad.
I think this deserves its own thread. Stressing family preservation, It covers everything from the inadequacies of institutional care, to the recruiting children for orphanages, and the serious downside of short-term missions to cuddle kids for a couple of weeks. I can't decide which other thread to put it on and it is relevant to so many. It should be required watching for all our child collectors, evangelical and fundie intercountry adopters for Jesus, voluntourists, and their supporters. I'd like to tie Selina Bergey and Miss Raquel to their chairs and make them watch it for starters. Interesting that Bethany Christian Services finally saw the writing on the wall and now is working towards family preservation. Disclaimer: I am not against intercountry adoption for some special needs children - but family preservation is the way to go and what people should be supporting with their donations.
The article discusses the quiverfull movement and Nancy Cambell and Above Rubies. Although they point out various trips overseas to help recruit for the quiverfull movement, and the motivating concern that undesirable populations are outstripping Christians fast They barely scratch the surface. They point to No Longer Quivering and the feminist movement as those raising objections, but on the whole I am very disappointed with the coverage in this article. I realize that the BBC feels the remit to be unbiased fairly strongly, but this is a Magazine piece, surely it wouldn't be unfair coverage to delve more deeply into the connections with SODRT-style homeschooling, prohibitions against women working outside the home, social isolation, abuse and some of the darker implications than just "women have lots of babies and families eschew contraception even when it sometimes endangers a woman's health" which fair enough--is a problem. I just feel like there should be MORE awareness that these decisions aren't made by individuals who have the freedom to make choices in the ways that readers of this piece might envision. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22526252
LynnGrey posted a topic in Above RubiesI subscribe to the Above Rubies email group (had to be dishonest to get accepted, but I was really curious to see what sort of things get said on there). This was posted recently with the subject "Family Seriously Questioning Our Life Choices", and I thought it was sad, mainly because her family appears to be suffering from their choices.
Went up to my local public hospital for an appointment and guess what I found in the magazine pile? Above Rubies. This particular edition was stressing how excellent large families were, and how to save money (as part of a one worker family - no guesses as to who that worker was!). It was all I could do to hold back laughing! I was very shocked as the urban/rural area in which I live doesn't really have a large fundie population and I have spent a lot of time in hospitals here, and have never seen one there before. Sneaky fundies! I did sneak it into my purse and bring it home to chuck in the bin. But not before having a good snark session with my husband about it!
I have some familiarity with Above Rubies magazine. My mom's a subscriber and I know some people who hoard back issues like they're gold. However, aside from the occasional mention, I don't know a whole lot about Nancy Campbell aside from hearing about her retreats. I never got the pleasure, but I know several women from the fundie-farm have been. I've heard her mentioned often but never in any detail so I was just curious. What's the deal with Nancy Campbell? Who is she and where does she fit in? Thanks!
GenerationCedarchip posted a topic in Above RubiesI just saw this: aboverubies.net/2011/08/blog-etiquette.html and couldn't help wondering if some of this etiquette lecture was aimed in our direction. Also, what a rude, condescending tone on this one! This is the same woman who had those "Imitation of a Man" articles up on her blog not too long ago that were mentioned here. She has since taken the pieces down.
GenerationCedarchip posted a topic in Above RubiesSo, you're either a beautiful flower of fundie womanhood or you're trying to be a man? The logic of this article blows my mind. She starts off by saying that the women who aren't serene and perfectly behaved aren't feminine. However, if you're worried about your own perfection, you're not feminine either. Since women obviously can't win, by the time I got halfway through the article I just wanted to put up my feet and eat ice cream out of the container. And since this lady thinks we all look bad in jeans anyway, who cares about the calories? Article is here: jasmine-aboverubies.blogspot.com/2011/07/imitation-of-man.html PS And MADONNA as one of the "leading examples of female accomplishment"??!!