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Gothard had released another article defending his stance of focusing on pretty teen girls. Alfred from Discovering Grace posted it for him. So his mother, out of the blue, called little Bill over and just said "your name means protector" and that was it? We are supposed to believe that story? Why does it matter if his sister was attractive except to set the stage to explain that from a young age he had to protect attractive girls? And the dialogue reads like a Moody book. That conversation didn't happen that way. And he had more than one sister. Was the other sister less attractive? Weird that I don't ever remember hearing this story before. You would think that in all the talks he has given about his highschool years he would have brought up this. Why was a 13 year old teen in a session where youth leader wives were discussing the difficulties of their position? Oh yes, Bill must remind us he is as pure as the driven snow. He leaps forward in time to his years giving conferences and to justifying how he only paid attention to pretty teens. See it was good he made pretty teen girls his focus! He was doing God's work! He now gets to the point where he is taking ATI students to Russia. The entire thing is essentially admitting he skipped unattractive teens and elevated attractive ones. There seems to be no awareness that his actions would hurt those he deemed not pretty enough. By saying he only protected pretty teens he then became the person who hurt teenagers who didn't live up to his beauty standards. One of the people from Russia supposedly said A Russian leader of education refused to meet with ATI students because she said she wasn't impressed by American school students but then this happened. This is really disturbing. Gothard made the entire focus superficial appearances. Then Gothard moves on to explaining that fathers sent their attractive teen daughters to him. He concludes that he paid extra attention to the pretty teens because they needed it, not because he is a creepy man who like to surround himself with sheltered, attractive teen girls. http://www.discoveringgrace.com/2018/08/28/why-i-dedicated-my-life-to-serve-youth-and-their-families/
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Do you think BUB should be canceled?
formergothardite posted a topic in Quiver Full of Bateseseseses
A thread like this was started in the Duggar section so I decided to start one here. Does anyone think BUB should stay on the air? If so, why? I personally think it needs to be canceled and they all need to fade into obscurity. ~Reality TV is not good for children. ~This show provides a platform to normalize high ranking members of a hateful, dangerous cult along with normalizing their beliefs. ~It gives them money and makes it appear to them that "God" is blessing them for believing and teaching awful things. -
IBLP Calls Cops on Bill Gothard for Trespass
formergothardite posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
It is time for IBLP"s family conference! Gil Bates has a video where he encourages families to skip their regular vacation and instead spend their money on the IBLP family conference. There are sessions on: ~preparing your family for persecution ~being ready for death ~the rewards you will get in heaven ~not being for sale at any price ~real science confirms the Bible is true and much, much more. Gil and Kelly do the opening welcome followed by the Paines(best know as Erin Bates Paine's inlaws) giving a greeting. Gil and Kelly are teaching five of the sessions but they are being vague about what they will be teaching. Michelle and Jim Bob are teaching two sessions, one called Counting On(how original) and the other called Desiring the Lord to Direct Your Steps. https://familyconferences.org/events/family-conference/bigsandy18/ One of the speakers will be a guy who runs a company called CharacterHealth Corporation. It is endorsed by IBLP and James Dobson and was shown on Fox News, Hannity, and Glen Beck's show, so it is safe to say it is a pile of dangerous rubbish. -
IBLP has a video up of Gil trying to guilt people into spending their family vacation money on an IBLP event. Instead of taking a vacation with your family, come to one of the IBLP family conferences! He promises that it will change your life and your family will talk about it all year*. So don't take your kids on a regular vacation, take them to an IBLP family conference! The boys have fun and the girls get to sit inside and memorize the Bible! Yeah! Your kids will totally prefer this to an actual vacation. Gil is totally not saying this because he wants your money to help finance his lifestyle. The sad thing is, unlike Gil and Kelly who now seem to live perpetually on vacation, some of these families will save every dime they have to come to this because IBLP heaps loads of guilt on families who don't attend. For some IBLP children this is the only vacation they ever know. https://iblp.org/seminars-conferences/family-conferences *true. the kids are going to be talking about this to their therapists for years.
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Guess what I found thrift-store shopping today? That's right, A GOTHARD BOOK
dawbs posted a topic in Wide World of Snark
It is filled with....such lovely stuff. It's a kinda pretty book. And it won't fall into the wrong (right?) hands at least now. I'm skimming over it to find what sorts of horrors are buried inside, since I've just started. -
Dillards 48: Proselytising Prick Preaching to People
samurai_sarah posted a topic in Quiver Full of Duggars
Continue from here: ETA: Edited for auto-correct gone wrong. -
I searched but didn't see where this movie had been discussed. It is a documentary about IBLP. I can't wait to see it. The movie comes out in 2017.
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This was just posted by Buzzfeed. One of the people profiled was raised in ATI.
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Big Sandy Family Conference April 2017
Palimpsest posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
Not sure if this was posted before, but Big Sandy is scheduled for April. I was just browsing the offerings and mugshots of our usual suspects (Gil and OfGil Bates, Jim Bob and OfJimBob Duggar, the incomparable Davy Waller, and little Gabe Cleaver Cleator) when who should pop up but Steve and OfSteve Maxwell! I don't remember them being on the schedule before: http://familyconferences.org/events/family-conference/big-sandy/ -
Big sandy starts tomorrow! Fj faves lead the way with sessions such as David Waller's "who are you?" and Gil and Kelly bates' "beware of pitching your tent towards sodom". Interesting to see that the duggars are excluded from the schedule entirely but the bates are presenting multiple sessions each day. (And I wonder - are the bates on the schedule that much bc they are popular or bc ati is scraping the bottom of the barrel for speakers?) http://familyconferences.org/events/family-conference/big-sandy-2016/
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Telos (IBLP college) Shutting Down
funyuns_and_fundies posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
I was on the website of Telos, the unaccredited "college" run by IBLP and I noticed it says it is closing due to "finanicial stability." http://telos.edu/ It appears to me that IBLP is attempting to rebrand itself and seperate themselves from their Gothard era as much as possible. They have done away with a lot of programs from that time. -
In Australia: IBLP sells; media call a cult a cult
MamaJunebug posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
IBLP is selling at least part of its real estate in Oz, and if that isn't good news enough, a newspaper report calls the group a cult, describes the Duggars' show as "canned" (aka "cancelled") and also mentions the peccadilloes of Josh & Mr. G!!! ETAsk, don't need to hide the image? I'm sorry if so! It's bunktime for me *and* my phone, I'm loopy. -
The Bates before they were so shiny and perfect including grifting
formergothardite posted a topic in Quiver Full of Bateseseseses
So I dug through the Wayback machine and finally found the old Bates blog. We have looked before and I'm not sure why we weren't able to find it. Wow, what a difference! One of the biggest things that stands out is that in the picture on top, Kelly is never holding a baby or even standing near a baby. They also bring up ATI and IBLP a lot. Here are some of the Bates going to Romania with Gothard to try to save Gypsies. And there are some super awkward Zack's courtship pictures. Poor girl was clearly never really into him. https://web.archive.org/web/20111206095054/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog This link tells how they gave Judson that name because they want him to be a soldier for Christ. The link also tells how the older partners(that was their word for buddy) were busy now, so she, at 10, "volunteered" to bathe, dress, and care for the small children. Here are the Bates "recipes" that make Tater Tot Casserole sound good. Pour canned beans over bread, put a sliced hot-dog on it and sprinkle on some cheese. Put a scoop of mashed potatoes on a slice of bologna and sprinkle on some cheese. https://web.archive.org/web/20101112160342/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog Zach goes to give a talk for IBLP and then Gil preaches about how rejection is conquered by realizing you have gifts. https://web.archive.org/web/20101221071610/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog/ Gil teaching at ATI's yearly conference. They don't even try to call it a "Family Conference". https://web.archive.org/web/20110620171906/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog Zach proposing a courtship. https://web.archive.org/web/20110710082032/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog Gil and Kelly drag a baby around the Grand Canyon with no hat and in only a onesie. Their poor parenting skills were discussed by Free Jinger at the time. https://web.archive.org/web/20110721000848/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog/ Carlin Josie and Katie doubt their salvation and get saved again. https://web.archive.org/web/20110817061300/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog/ They spend Valentine's day at IBLP headquarters. https://web.archive.org/web/20110220203649/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog Trace gets convicted of sin and is saved https://web.archive.org/web/20110220203649/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog They campaign for Rick Santorum. -
Bill Gothard, God, and sexual molestation
Et Moi posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
Also, allegations of sex trafficking cover-up. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/06/new-charges-allege-religious-leader-who-has-ties-to-the-duggars-sexually-abused-women/ -
Nobel Call Organization. KonMari Is safe.
MamaJunebug posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
Organization! KonMari is safe. http://www.noblecall.org/weblog/2011/02/27/organization-development-in-the-home-video/ I'm not a Duggar watcher but folks say this character is the one who asked Jimbob to put the end of a piece of rebar on his Adam's apple (that's not a euphemism). Anyway. As a naturally disorganized person, I'm always on the prowl for tips on getting things set up for tidiness, economy & efficiency. When this part of Rebar Man's website showed up, I had to watch. I will be tickled to read any comments you all have, and now I lend my own. Poor Mrs. Rebar is more tongue-tied than I've ever seen a woman, even a full-on IBLP Helpmeet. At least Mr. doesn't tilt his chin up So he can litetally look down his nose at her, as JimBob Fuggar does to his Mrs. They're so reaching for ideas: disposable cups & dishes and plastic flatware. They make some common sense remarks about not expecting the same thing from a very young child as they would an older sibling--a nod, I suppose, to blanket training and first-time obedience being cumulative. Nope, Ms. Marie Kondo of the KonMari practice of tidying up has no competition here. And now I'm off to pick up where I left off in reading her follow-up book. -
Since this crosses Quivers I figured I put it here. So we know that the older Bateseses girls went to JTTH and that the oldest Duggar girls did as well. Also Pris went and I think Suze Waller. Did Anna go? I think I saw mentioned that Ashley Sayler went. And I think we've seen pictures of at least one Paine girl there. I'm wondering about the next group of kids. Has Joy Anna gone? Will the young girls go? In 10 years will there be a pick of the lost girls with Callie and Addallee at JTTH? On a related note, we've seen one Duggar boy after another go off to Alert. Have any of the Bateseses boys gone? What about TFDW? Or Brandon Keilen?
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FJ points and laughs at IBLP basic & advanced seminar texts
halcionne posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
It took me a year to spend my Raptureversary winnings from 2014. Finally I decided it would be fitting to spend them on Gothard literature and took the plunge. I have in my possession Research in Principles of Life Basic Seminar Textbook and Research in Principles of Life: Advanced Seminar Textbook. I bought used and saved the difference, which left me with enough money to buy a used video game I've been pining for, too. I got the books a few weeks ago with the hope of mocking sharing them with Free Jinger and was immediately discouraged. C/P from another thread, to save me some typing: Yeah, so, the index and table of contents aren't much use when it comes to finding information on a particular subject, but I will try to look up anything you guys are interested in. I found a testimony from someone who talked about how great it was to abstain from sex with his wife for half the month, which was a topic I am curious about--naturally I didn't mark the page--but if I can find it again I will post it. My version of the basic text says copyright 1979, 1981, Institute in Basic Youth Conflicts, so it's pretty old and maybe extra crazy? We shall see! The advanced textbook says copyright 1986, sixth printing, January 1991. Here is a picture of the books, with my breakfast and a beer for scale. Next post will be the copyright warning/guilt trip inside front cover, because it made me lol. -
Gothard headquarters downsizing, moving to Big Sandy
HereticHick posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
Mods, please merge if someone has already posted about this. Staddon Family blog announces that IBLP is downsizing & moving from Chicago to Big Sandy. staddonfamily.com/2015/09/14/texas-ho/ The decision has been made. Last week it was officially announced that IBLP will be relocating its headquarters from Chicago to Big Sandy, Texas. The trends over the last 15 years have shown that the ministry has more properties than it currently needs, and after much prayer and consideration it was decided that it would be a financially strategic move to consolidate with the ALERT campus down in Texas. While not unexpected, the move will still be quite a change for all of us. ... God miraculously provided the Oak Brook property for the Institute back in 1969, and since then groups and delegations from all over the world have come seeking practical instruction on how to apply Scriptural principles to every aspect of life. While this brings a chapter of IBLP’s history to a close, the vision of introducing people to Jesus Christ and providing families, churches, businesses, and nations with Biblical training on how to find true success in life remains unchanged. The Lord has worked mightily in the past and we are excited about what He has for the future. We are all one body in Christ (1 Cor. 12), and as each member looks to the Head and follows His leading we know He has great things in store for each one. -
Negligence Lawsuit Filed Against IBLP
love2scrap posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
It's about time. recoveringgrace.org/2015/10/negligence-lawsuit-filed-against-iblp/ Mods, how do we break links in the new format? Removing the front portion doesnt break the link like it used to. -
If you have spent any time on Free Jinger, you will likely recognize the acronyms ATI and IBLP. This is the fundamentalist ministry created by Bill Gothard, an unmarried man who believes such things as: There has long been talk about both Bill Gothard and his brother committing acts of sexual misconduct with female employees and interns. As long ago as 1980, Gothard admitted to "moral failures" with some of the staff. We at FJ have long awaited some kind of action to be taken against this unmarried man who had unlimited access to vulnerable women who are taught from birth that if a man "stumbles" it is the woman's fault. On around October 21, 2015, we became aware that a civil lawsuit had finally been filed against IBLP and all the members of the Board. Bill Gothard is no longer part of the organization, having been forced to resign after another round of accusations in 2014. The board members named in the lawsuit are: John Stancil, Anthony Burrus, Gil Bates, Timothy Levendusky, Charles Stephen Paine, Jr., and David York. From Recovering Grace: The Complain in it's entirety can be found at the Chicago Tribune Each of the 5 Plaintiffs are asking for $50,000. Once a leader in the homeschooling movement, Gothard's ministry has managed to largely fly under the radar of the general public, despite having some rather high profile adherents. Recently, Rep. Daniel Webster (R -FL) was considering a run for Speaker of the House, following John Boehner's resignation. Arguably the most famous followers are The Duggar family of TLC's 19 Kids and Counting, which was cancelled after several scandals related to the oldest Duggar child, Josh. In May, 2015, In Touch magazine dropped the bombshell that when Josh Duggar was a teenager he sexually abused at least 5 girls, including several of his siblings. In August, it was revealed that Josh had not one, but two accounts at Ashley Madison, a website which has the tagline "Life is short. Have an affair." For some 10 seasons, the Duggars have been promoted by TLC as a (very) large, happy Christian family. They have shown the Duggars on the campaign trail for politicians such a Mike Huckabee and RIck Santorum. While claiming to be a shiny, happy Christian family, the Duggars have spoken out against the gay community and abortion. Josh was hired by the Family Research Council and moved to Washington, DC, which was also documented on 19 Kids and Counting. Recently, Gothard and his ministry have gotten more mainstream attention thanks to Josh Duggars misconduct and hypocrisy coming to light. While the Duggar family show, 19 Kids and Counting was cancelled by TLC, they have recently announced that they plan to do several "special episodes" of a show starring the newly married Duggar children, Jill Dillard and Jessa Sewald. What some people may not know is that another high profile Gothard adherent also has a TV show. Gil Bates and his family have a show titled Bringing Up Bates on the UP network. The Bateses are often seen as a less strict, more fun version of the Duggars. They also have 19 kids and in the last several years have married off 4 children, some of which were shown on either 19 Kids and Counting or Bringing up Bates. In fact, one of the Bates children married the son of Rep. Daniel Webster (R-FL) You might recognize the name Gil Bates from earlier in this post. That's right, he is a member of the Board of IBLP and was named in the lawsuit. The general public may have the Duggar's number thanks to Josh, but there is still a high profile IBLP member that has a platform to show off these dangerous beliefs on TV and he seems to be slipping under the radar, just like the Duggars did for many years. Please join us for discussion here: http://www.freejinger.org/topic/24484-negligence-lawsuit-filed-against-iblp/#top Further reading: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/10/22/five-women-sue-bill-gothards-ministry-that-has-ties-to-the-duggars/ http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/10/23/fundamentalist_duggar_connected_ministry_is_sued_for_sex_abuse_cover_up.html http://www.salon.com/2015/10/23/the_cult_of_duggar_worship_must_be_stopped_theres_nothing_glamorous_about_the_familys_ongoing_hypocrisy/
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Sarah Palin and Bill Gothard connection
Sprocket posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
So I'm reading The Rogue by Joe McGinnis (sorry, it's on my Kindle, so I don't have page numbers). A lot of criticism surrounded his book because he moved in next door to Sarah Palin on Lake Lucille, which he addresses. Joe McGinnis has been a favorite of mine for as long as I can remember because he wrote 'Fatal Vision' and I'm a super true-crime buff -- and growing up near Ft. Bragg and having my dad stationed there a few years after the murders of Collette, Kimberley, and Kristen MacDonald, it was talked about quite a lot during my childhood. I have actual pictures of the home from circa 2005 before it was torn down completely. Hey, I had a friend who was stationed there, sue me.) Anyway, I get to this little passage in the book and I'm floored. I know we covered Sarah Palin a lot of the yuku board, but she's kind of fallen off of the map as of late. However, this is what's in the book that I wanted to share: In April 2000, at city expense, she traveled to Indianapolis to attend a conference at the International Training Center of the evangelical Institute in Basic Life Principles (ILBP). The conference had been organized by the INternational Associateion of Character Cities (IACC), an affiliate of the Character Training Institute (CTI), an organization that sought to end the seperation of church and state. Among the speakers she heard was seventy year old evangelist Bill Gothard, who had founded ILBP, according to the organizations website, "for the purpose of giving individials, families, churches, schools, communities, governments, and businesses clear instruction and training of how to find success by following God's principles found in Scripture." Gothard's goal, as described by Silja J. ATalvi in 'In These Times' magazine, was to "rebuild American society according to biblical mandates." He believed that America's failures stemmed from a lack of personal character, which led to acts of disobedience against "God-ordained jurisdiction" represented by four types of authority: "parents, government, church leaders, and employers." ILBP literature distributed at the conference said, "God gives direction, protection, and provision through human authorities. If we rebel against them, we expose ourselves to destruction by evil principalities...This is why 'rebellion is the sin of witchcraft.'" ..... The Character Training Institute sought to instill civil institutions with forty-nine biblically based "character qualities," which it conveniently listed and defined on laminated, pocket size cards that also used pictures of the animal that represented each trait. For example, "Obedience: Quickly and cheerfully carrying out the direction of those who are responsible for me," was accompanied by anliiustration of a mother duck and her ducklings. ... Sarah also watched a video presentation by David Barton, an evangelical minister who served as the cochair to the Texas republican Party and who had founded WallBuilders, an organization that emphasized the "moral, religious, constitutional foundation on which America was built." In his talk, Barton proclaimed that the United States had been founded as an explicitly Christian nation and that continued seperation of church and state in America was an affront to the Lord. At the confrence, Sarah learned that Wasilla could become a designated "City of Character" if the city council passed a resolution pledging to uphold each of the forty-nine "character qualities" specified by the IBLP. She returned home enthused, and in short order a pliant city counsil approved her plan to declare Wasilla a City of Character. It became the only such city in Alaska. -
Inside The Duggar-Cult' Gothard getting more negitive news
doggie posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
nothing really new but it is good gothard is getting more negative news. http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/ ... followers/ In recent years, the Duggars have become the poster family for wholesome values. But behind the 19 Kids & Counting family's strict God-loving guidelines is a controversial and ultra-conservative foundation: the Institute of Basic Life Principles. Now, in an exclusive investigation, RadarOnline.com has uncovered testimony from former followers of the IBLP, who warn that it is a "cult" that will do the famous family's children more harm than good! Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar began homeschooling their brood in the 1990s using the Bible-based curriculum of the IBLP's Advanced Training Institute, which was founded by disgraced leader Bill Gothard. He resigned from the organization last year amid allegations of sexually harassing women at his ministry and failing to report child abuse cases. Largely because of this tarnished history, former devotees of the Duggar family way say it's hard to even watch them play out their beliefs on their show. "I have no problem calling it a cult," former follower Micah Murray told RadarOnline.com. "What the Duggars are doing is putting Gothard's philosophies on display as a positive thing and they are not positive." "From my experience, it has the hallmarks of what makes cults so damaging - abusive authority structures, the way that people's thinking and behavior is controlled, the way that people aren't taught to trust themselves and trust their leader unquestionably," continued Murray, who runs his own blog, Redemption Pictures, about his experiences inside the Institute. "I've seen a number of episodes [of 19 Kids & Counting] and it makes me very uncomfortable," he added. "I think the Duggars are probably very nice people. They're probably very sincere people. But I think that the teachings of Bill Gothard are very destructive." -
Do the Duggars' beliefs deflect the pressures of fame?
silvia posted a topic in Quiver Full of Duggars
People have mentioned how many TV families -- most notably, the Gosselins and the Honey Boo Boo clan, though I'm sure there are others -- tend to implode spectacularly under the pressure of being in the spotlight. And this phenomenon isn't limited to reality TV families; child stars, in general, seem to have a tough time of it psychologically, and they tend to start showing signs of trouble even before they're out of their teens (see Judy Garland, Drew Barrymore, Lindsay Lohan, Mary-Kate Olsen, Macaulay Culkin). But for the Duggars, things have been fairly placid, at least on the surface. None of the kids (and there are now eight who are 18 or older) have visibly rebelled against their parents in any significant way. And the show has been on the air almost seven years now. That's a long time for so many kids to be in the public eye without really departing from the fringy lifestyle they were raised in. It's remarkable, especially considering the low second-generation retention rates of cults in general. I wonder sometimes if we can credit their religious beliefs for this apparent stability -- totally independent of the religion's truth value. Obviously, the kids are pretty protected from the temptations of alcohol and drugs that have led so many performers astray. But I think there's something more than that: maybe that this belief system's emphasis on abnegating the self ("yourself last," having a servant's heart, "I am nothing without Christ," etc.) in part offsets the intense self-focus that generally accompanies fame and courts depression? Or maybe just that the "hedge of protection" has created such mental barriers that the kids no longer have the independent agency they would need to make their own mistakes? Or that this lifestyle forces them to get really good at shoving their pain down instead of externalizing it? I'm curious to hear your thoughts as to why the kids' course has run so apparently smooth thus far. (Of course, huge caveat here--things could start to unravel in a very public way down the line.) -
I read that Bill began his ministry empire by approaching gang members on the street in Chicago. He had great success talking with them and would invite them to some kind of event in a local hall. He says he could turn them around to have a heart for Jesus. So, why wouldn't t Bill with all his supposedly gang success volunteer to help Baltimore at this time?
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I don't know it this is relevant, but I was wondering about all the religions that are similar to the Duggars' but aren't quite the same. I know for one that the schwieters, they're an apostolic bunch, are very similar. I went with one for a bit, a few months, and they all wore the very modest clothes and the girls had to have very long hair. And in the end, the boy I went with, ended up marrying at 18 and having a baby not soon after with the girl he left for. The only difference really, is that they allowed dancing and I went swing dancing quite a few times.
