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  1. Remember HQ in Oak Brook? Didn't ATI/IBLP Bill Gothard own some of the homes behind the HQ? A couple more have gone on the market (Per zillow, take it with a grain of salt). Does anyone know which houses they owned back there? https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/house_type/5d38f5602cX1-CR1vr70a5y44k31_17cld3_crid/3-_beds/1.0-_baths/123000-_price/453-_mp/41.849712,-87.917018,41.797648,-88.007998_rect/X1-SS1c95xcy0yn6rv_4rdd9_sse/0_mmm/
  2. This AMA is the best I’ve ever seen on ATI. She talks about the courtship market and how marriages are arranged, refers to ATI as a ‘rape cult’ and how many families (spoiler: all) have sexual abuse taking place, talks about how Hobby Lobby gave Gothard the Big Sandy property, how she speculates that ALERT is the equivalent of the FLDS booting young men to minimize competition for predators, and so many other interesting points and ideas which have shocked me, and I have followed ATI since the early 2000s. Worth reading every bit of the thread, as a lot if revealed in follow up answers as wel
  3. I did not really know much at all about Bill Gothard until I dated an IBLP homeschooler in 2016. I found it odd that she randomly lived in Oklahoma City away from her family for about 6 months, and she never told me why, but that she worked at a motel. I was thinking "Why not work at a motel back home if you love motels so much?" but always wondered if maybe Bill Gothard has some sort of concentration camp that she was sent to in Oklahoma City?
  4. http://www.discoveringgrace.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/For-those-who-have-ears-to-hear.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2B0wosVngCcYT5yzs_w7zAvPq25ZUeX5bNF1CyM8u-canJxzGWA3FHfig I always feel I must point out that BG himself admitted to inappropriate touching: "My actions of holding of hands, hugs, touching of feet or hair with young ladies crossed the boundaries of discretion and were wrong. They demonstrated a double-standard and violated a trust." The writer of the above letter can protest all they want but Bill Gothard admitted that he crossed the line. The claim that he has been exonerated legally
  5. I was torn between Quiver Full of Snark or QFO Politics. Mods, feel free to move. Mark Meuser, a graduate of Oak Brook School of Law, is the leading Republican candidate for Secretary of State. He seems to be fixated on voting reform and buys into a whole bunch of Alex Jones conspiracy stuff about L.A. county having 144% of their adult population registered to vote. He also has long rambling, grammatically challenged statements and a soupcon or racism. What hath the GOP wrought? http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-california-more-voters-than-eligible-adults-cla
  6. There are a few things in this article, but the first part is about the crewmembers that filmed the Duggars and also several others who have escaped IBLP. It specifically talks about how sheltered the Duggars are and how unworldly. I feel so bad for the children being raised in that environment.
  7. So I dug through the Wayback machine and finally found the old Bates blog. We have looked before and I'm not sure why we weren't able to find it. Wow, what a difference! One of the biggest things that stands out is that in the picture on top, Kelly is never holding a baby or even standing near a baby. They also bring up ATI and IBLP a lot. Here are some of the Bates going to Romania with Gothard to try to save Gypsies. And there are some super awkward Zack's courtship pictures. Poor girl was clearly never really into him. https://web.archive.org/web/20111206095054/http://gilbatesf
  8. Also, allegations of sex trafficking cover-up. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/06/new-charges-allege-religious-leader-who-has-ties-to-the-duggars-sexually-abused-women/
  9. Discovering Grace is a website set up by Gothard supporters to try and make him look like he isn't a creepy sexual predator. They aren't doing a great job at that. I haven't read around it too much because my blood pressure can only take so much Gothard worship, but someone left a comment asking why Gothard focused on surrounding himself with teen girls. The moderator(who I'm pretty sure in the infamous Alfred) said that Gothard had a special calling to encourage young girls to be "mighty in spirit". When asked why he didn't do this for all teen girls, just the very pretty ones who were Gothar
  10. From his facebook page: The comment section identifies the "first woman senator" as coming from Ethiopia. I looked it up, it appears to be one Marta Gabre-Tsadick. Can anyone verify this info and that she was actually in the US this august?
  11. It's about time. recoveringgrace.org/2015/10/negligence-lawsuit-filed-against-iblp/ Mods, how do we break links in the new format? Removing the front portion doesnt break the link like it used to.
  12. Curious

    The IBLP Lawsuit

    If you have spent any time on Free Jinger, you will likely recognize the acronyms ATI and IBLP. This is the fundamentalist ministry created by Bill Gothard, an unmarried man who believes such things as: There has long been talk about both Bill Gothard and his brother committing acts of sexual misconduct with female employees and interns. As long ago as 1980, Gothard admitted to "moral failures" with some of the staff. We at FJ have long awaited some kind of action to be taken against this unmarried man who had unlimited access to vulnerable women who are taught from birth that if a ma
  13. Bill Gothard thanks everyone for their support during his trials yall! In the comments, people falling over themselves to tell him how much he has blessed them. A troll appears using the same name and profile photo as Bill Gothard (but clicking on his name shows its a different page with only 2 friends). The sheeple do not realize its a troll apparently. My personal favorite is the *minions comment https://www.facebook.com/official.BillG ... 86?fref=nf
  14. GenerationCedarchip

    Gothard is back

    I saw a story on WORLD news mentioning that BIll Gothard has relaunched his website. And sure enough, he's back! The website (billgothard.com) has a section called "A Further Statement" where he tries to defend himself against accusations that he harassed women at IBLP. It's full of purple prose, and protestations that some of the women accusing him had also written him testimonials, etc... My family was never in ATI so I look at this as something of an outsider, but I've known folks who were into his teachings.
  15. I'm not sure how to break links or whatever, but apparently David Locke Gothard is under investigation and gong to appear in court on grounds of bilking millions of dollars out of investors in Florida. Like to the tune of $5,000,000. If you google it, several articles related to the case come up. He is in serious trouble. So, how many more crooks named Gothard are there???
  16. So I'm reading The Rogue by Joe McGinnis (sorry, it's on my Kindle, so I don't have page numbers). A lot of criticism surrounded his book because he moved in next door to Sarah Palin on Lake Lucille, which he addresses. Joe McGinnis has been a favorite of mine for as long as I can remember because he wrote 'Fatal Vision' and I'm a super true-crime buff -- and growing up near Ft. Bragg and having my dad stationed there a few years after the murders of Collette, Kimberley, and Kristen MacDonald, it was talked about quite a lot during my childhood. I have actual pictures of the home from circa 20
  17. Or maybe not. homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/bill-gothards-unveils-new-statement-then-promptly-deletes-it/
  18. This is an old RG article but I can't find that it has been discussed here. RG and another website called on the IBLP BoD to evaluate the Institute's teachings that have caused so much harm. Of course they refused to respond but Bill responded for them because nothing says "I'm totally not in control of this ministry anymore" like answering for the BoD. Bill writes a letter trying to weasel out of taking responsibility for the things he taught and RG responds by using his own words against him. It does not seem like Bill has responded to their response. And the board, obviously ha
  19. I read that Bill began his ministry empire by approaching gang members on the street in Chicago. He had great success talking with them and would invite them to some kind of event in a local hall. He says he could turn them around to have a heart for Jesus. So, why wouldn't t Bill with all his supposedly gang success volunteer to help Baltimore at this time?
  20. After reading a couple of blogs of ATI / similar cults survivors and leavers, I wondered if the Duggars have softened with the younger kids in regards of being strict(we know they are not exactly strict on the thriftyness and other topics.) What I was wondering about was there importance for "the happy face" or "good attitude" It seems to be very much existant with the older kids generally, but kids like Jennifer or jordyn are seen with a scowl or indfferent and defo not "good attitude" I wonder if they just let them be(in a certain frame) these days or if it is because
  21. On SSB a former ATI student shares his experience with Gothard's teachings about how parents should spank their children. Warning, the article is very disturbing. I'm only going to copy the part that explains what Gothard told parents to do when it came to spanking their children. I asked my mother if she had this booklet and she said no, probably because as you get further into ATI you usually buy more of the materials and my parents didn't buy a lot of the stuff they were encouraged to buy. The stipulation was that we had to hold still and submissively accept the beating, and we
  22. I am so used to seeing the Duggars attend anti-abortion rallies and liquor license protests as well as making anti-trans robocalls that this took me by complete surprise. From their FB: Of course the Gothard hypocrisy can't help but be noted, but still.
  23. Is the whole family a bunch of rotten apples? http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crime/st ... s_44739110 (didn't break the link because it's a newspaper website)
  24. Just curious, but who would be on the list of the worst of the worst, in the Duggar's social circle? For example, RC Sproul Jr was referenced on the Christian Domestic Discipline thread earlier today, so it made me wonder, is he one of the Duggar's friends? Was he one of the 1000 invited to Jill's wedding? The Pearls? The Andersons? Who are the rubbing elbows with and what makes them a candidate for worst of the worst?
  25. JessaJessa

    This Gothard Fella

    So, totally curious here, how do you guys know so much about this Gothard fella that the Duggars follow? I am fairly new here and have never heard of him before now. I live in a pretty liberal part of CA, so most of the churches are super laid back. I've never heard of a Pastor (or whatever he is) have so many rules for his followers. So for example, how do some of you know that he prefers young women's hair to be long and wavy? Not straight, or curly, but wavy. Did he put out a book of rules or something? Have the Duggars admitted to following this guy? Do all people who attend thes
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