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  1. I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask but I figured if anyone could give me a straight answer it would be the wonderful people at FJ. My son is 4, he'll be 5 in September. He's been living with his grandparents for the last 2 years due to some problems (I had been in an abusive relationship with his dad, after we split up I struggled for a bit) They're wonderful people and I know he's happy, loved, safe and cared for. The thing is his grandparents live in Texas and are very religious. They're not fundies, both their sons are tattooed pot smoking snowboarders. But they're definitely deep south Baptists. My son was in the weekday preschool last year, he'll be in Pre-K through the school district this coming year. He still goes to Sunday School every weekend and has been in Vacation Bible School all summer. He's getting to the age where he's internalizing a lot more of the messages he's getting. His mom is a biracial (half white half Native) liberal from the west and knows nothing about this. I did some research of my own and their church uses AWANA curriculum. Everything online says it's for evangelical Baptist churches which is slightly disconcerting to me. Does anyone have personal experiences with it? Anything I should be concerned about? I want my son to my raised respecting equality of all genders, sexual orientations, ethnicities, religions, etc. Thanks for any information anyone can help with!
  2. Well this mess hit my twitter feed yesterday via Rachel Held Evans and Beth Moore (Rachel specifically mentioned this, Beth was more cryptic but you can tell from the tweets that this sparked her). Paige Patterson (who is a man) is President of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. This is the link to the post that she reacted to By the way, Patterson is also named in a lawsuit (along with SWBTS) is a sex abuse case. https://www.baptiststandard.com/news/baptists/southern-baptist-layman-paul-pressler-subject-sex-abuse-suit/ And here is the link to Rachel's twitter page since she was on fire last night and there are too danged many tweets to link https://twitter.com/rachelheldevans and more Beth was still tweeting on this on a Sunday morning.
  3. 47of74

    #MeToo goes to church

    The SBC may finally have to face some of the music
  4. And He was probably trying to get in for years. http://www.thestate.com/living/religion/article212119039.html
  5. What a great piece of news! Bet both the SBC & her alma mater, Samford U, are in a major quandary over this! Insert other media
  6. https://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2018/03/27/frank-page-president-of-sbcs-executive-committee-resigns-and-later-discloses-moral-failure/#comments Frank Page, SBC Executive Committee president for a number of years, has resigned (retired...) There was an initial "I am retiring" statement, superseded the following day as I understand, by another statement mentioning moral failing, still very short and non-specific. This is a very big deal because of the large number of SBC churches and because of the large number of SBC members.
  7. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/01/12/an-independent-baptist-preacher-is-trying-to-out-bigot-steven-anderson/ Gene Kim apparently really doesn't like PP. I mean, we don't either, but I think for very different reasons.
  8. Awhile back, I mentioned making a thread about ATI beliefs vs VF beliefs. I know it's been a few weeks and I'm sorry - I got swamped with my final paper for my class (which I got a B in!), I got seriously ill, my doctor changed my anti depressant and I'm still adjusting, etc. I'm now able to make the post and point out some of the theological differences. Again, I am so sorry it took so long. ATI is Calvinist in belief. To put it simply, here are some basics on Calvinism. I'm pretty well-versed in it, as a common debate at my old school was Calvinism vs Arminianism. Calvin can best be summed up in the "Calvin's Tulip". There is much more to it, of course (which I can expand on if people have questions) but it gives it a simple summary. Total Depravity (also known as Total Inability and Original Sin) Unconditional Election Limited Atonement (also known as Particular Atonement) Irresistible Grace Perseverance of the Saints (also known as Once Saved Always Saved) (http://www.calvinistcorner.com/tulip.htm) So, these are the basics of Calvinism. You can also read more here: http://www.thecaveonline.com/APEH/calvinTULIP.html Which explains it far better than I could in my slightly groggy, drug-changing state. VF, on the other hand, is Baptist. Which, here is a link: http://www.wordmp3.com/files/gs/einwechter.htm So, how are they the same? How do they differ? Glad you asked! These links sum it up well! http://www.baptistpillar.com/article_166.html http://www.biblebelievers.net/calvinism/kjcalvn1.htm I apologize for the massive amount of links, but I figured I should cite my sources. And anyone who wants to read more about how Calvinism and Baptism differ and are similar. I can answer questions or provide more links if anyone wants more reading than the massive amount here, but, I hope this helps answer some questions!
  9. Hi everyone! I wasn't sure if this article is more appropriate for QfoS or Worldly Distractions, but I figure since it's pretty directly about Evangelism (and I would argue fundamentalism), I put it here. Feel free to move it. https://baptistnews.com/article/death-christianity-u-s/#.WgxlU2hSzs3 It's a scathing read but that last paragraph really got to me. I'm not an Evangelical or even a Christian, but I do truly hope that this perspective is indicative of a call for change from the inside.
  10. Looks like the US doesn't have a monopoly on hateful people disguising themselves as pastors. Isn't this guy friends with PP?
  11. I didn't think I could love and respect Mr. Jimmy Carter more that I already do, BUT, Jimmy Carter severed all ties with the Southern Baptist Convention in 2009 after 6 decades of loyalty. It not that he did this, it's the REASON he did this. It is worth revisiting his essay for it's timeless truth and relevance to the rise of toxic patriarchy in the U.S.. Full text here: Losing my religion for equality I don't know how many more years we'll be blessed with Jimmy Carter among us. Each year is precious. April 15, 2016: Jimmy Carter's message: the fight continues against male-sanctioned female submissionWhat do Southern Baptists in the United States have in common with the Anglican Diocese of Sydney? They both require women to submit to their husbands.
  12. It is a book, you can buy it on Amazon, it outlines and lists the names of Preachers caught up in sex scandals child explotation and MANY are still involved in churches. Someone please explain to me how Religion(s) who spend so much time making sure that their children are kept pure and safe from anything harmful (like say a woman's knees) are allowing people like this to still be involved in their spiritual community. Why no outrage, where are the pitchforks to run these monsters out of town. "Thanks to Jeri Massi for this powerful contribution to documenting Baptists' unholy patterns of do-nothingness with respect to child-molesting ministers. Sadly, the stories in Massi's book are not outliers or "bad apples." With its methodical organization, Massi's book unites the stories so as to illuminate the institutionally entrenched denial that allows clergy child molesters to move so easily through the porous sieve of Baptist churches. And lest you delude yourself into thinking the kids are safe now that the perpetrators are named in a book, realize that, although it's a "big book," it presents only a small time-slice of cases that, for the most part, involved criminal charges and convictions. Since experts generally agree that less than ten percent of child molesters wind up in the criminal justice system, this means that the stories in Massi's book are just the tip of the iceberg. But unlike other major faith groups, most Baptist groups have shown themselves content to simply ignore the rest of the iceberg because, as Massi points out, they have refused to keep any sort of systematic denominational records on abuse reports against Baptist clergy. Since Southern Baptists are the largest Protestant denomination in the land, this institutional failure leaves many thousands of kids at undue risk for the soul-searing harm of clergy sex abuse." Another good write up about it here: http://brucegerencser.net/2015/12/the-big-book-of-bad-baptist-preachers-by-jeri-massi/ The book is here: http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Book-Baptist-Preachers/dp/1518883664/ref=cm_cr_pr_pdt_img_top?ie=UTF8
  13. circularlogic

    Okay, Gang...I'm going in!

    Okay. I've been hanging around this forum and others, taking in alot of information about church abuses, the IFB and survivor stories from within certain church groups. I have taken part in much snarking but at the same time felt great compassion for the children growing up in these environments. My heart hurts for their certain worldview. (the world isn't so bad! Its kind of cool out here) But lately, I have felt like I am only taking 3rd or 4th hand information as fact and making judgements on things i have not witnessed for myself. Somehow that feels almost as icky as some of the things we despise in these fundamentalists. Also, Im just really, really curious. So, I have decided to put my money where my mouth is....I found an IFB church in the town near me and I plan on going this Sunday to see just exactly what they are all about. Because I want to check myself here, I welcome any feedback before I go. I ran my own mental checklist and: a. my motive is pure. I just want to see what exactly they are preaching and teaching. It is in my own neighborhood, I would kind of like to know if there is any real abuse happening here. b. I am secure enough in myself and don't feel that I can be sucked in. c. I like my view of the world and don't feel like i need someone to guide me through it. I am 50 years old so that ship has nearly sailed, lol d. i am not afraid for my eternal soul, nor do i feel the need to blame bad things or wrong decisions on some dude with a pointy tail. e. worst case, if there is a good message and nice people - then all is well in mercer county. okay, guys and gals....what do you think? should i leave well enough alone or are you curious too? p.s. i promise to wear pants, own my unique and empowered womanhood, promote feminism and under no circumstances advocate spanking infants
  14. Blessing

    Independent Baptists

    Are there any former independent Baptists on here? Would love to swap some stories!
  15. Is there a liturgy at the IFB ? How is a cult / Mass ? Is there often the Eucharist ? Do they read the Bible during the mass ? Do the Bible readings follow an annual order, or just what the pastor wants ? Old AND New Testament ? Is the sermon connected to the biblical text ? The sermons speaks often about what ? Do they sing a lot? What ? In the Eucharist, how does it take place ? With a host or real bread ? Wine or grape juice ? Who can take the Eucharist (child or adult) ? Is baptisms during mass? Are theyre are other ceremonies during Mass ? For former IFB : do you liked to go at the mass ? THank you for answering my questions
  16. snarkykitty

    Purpose of fundraiser

    I am devastated to read a recent post by a younger (19 year old) relative whose parents in the past ten years have changed from born/baptized/raised Presbyterian to 25 years of nothing, to Methodist and now Baptist. She works part time with the (physical) church and posted about a fundraiser for a conference that will help "train pastors to spread the Word of God in an area that is heavily burdened with other religions in India." I am sick to my stomach. It's so presumptive and arrogant. And if I say anything about it, said relatives would all FLIP out and de-friend me on Facebook. Then again, that might not be a bad thing.
  17. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/08/c ... no&oswrr=1
  18. I listened to that sermon that Lori Alexander the Monster posted the other day from John MacArthur. What I learned: 1. Feminism is satanic. 2. If you have a problem with his teaching, you're on satan's side. (This is nearly a direct quote) 3. "Old" means after age 60. 4. After age 60, women have no desire for sex ever. 5. Because they have no desire for sex ever again, widows over 60 should not remarry. This guy isn't as overtly stupid as PP and he doesn't appear certifiable like Stevie, but damn. He might be more dangerous because of his subtlety as compared to the overt crazies.
  19. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressiv ... onference/ In an appalling display of insensitivity, ignorance, and bad taste, a Baptist pastor performed in blackface at the National Young Fundamentalist Conference held in Lexington, Kentucky, this week. Pastor Joseph G. Pickens proudly performed in blackface for cheering young evangelicals during the Christian Youth Conference held at Clay Mills Road Baptist Church in Lexington. Pastor Pickens paraded around in blackface to the delight of the packed auditorium, pretending to box in a feeble attempt at comedy. Apparently everyone present at the Christian event was oblivious to the offensive and derogatory nature of the pathetic display. And apparently for young Christian fundamentalists, nothing says good, clean, Christian fun, like a horrifically racist pantomime. mtOwIY5S95o
  20. 0 kids n not countin

    Bible Believing Baptists Beware!!

    Sigh, just SIGH...
  21. what is wrong with this picture? http://www.courier-journal.com/article/ ... ck_check=1 In an effort its spokesman has described as “outreach to rednecks,†the Kentucky Baptist Convention is leading “Second Amendment Celebrations,†where churches around the state give away guns as door prizes to lure in nonbelievers in hopes of converting them to Christ. As many as 1,000 people are expected at the next one, on Thursday at Lone Oak Baptist Church in Paducah, where they will be given a free steak dinner and the chance to win one of 25 handguns, long guns and shotguns. The goal is to “point people to Christ,†the church says in a flier. Chuck McAlister, an ex-pastor, master storyteller and former Outdoor Channel hunting show host who presides at the events as the Kentucky Baptist Convention’s team leader for evangelism, said 1,678 men made “professions of faith†at about 50 such events last year, most of them in Kentucky. In Louisville, he said, more than 500 people showed up on a snowy January day for a gun giveaway at Highview Baptist Church, and 61 made decisions to seek salvation. McAlister’s boss, Paul Chitwood, the Kentucky Baptist Convention’s executive director, said such results speak for themselves. “It’s been very effective,†he said in an interview. But other clergy question what guns and gun rights have to do with with sharing the Gospel.
  22. It's our old buddy Al Mohler, of course: "President Bush did not merely attend the wedding. He also served as an official witness, signing the legal documents for the ceremony and the Maine wedding license. Under a photograph with the former president the couple added the words, 'Getting our marriage license witnessed!' The news coverage of the Bushes' attendance at the same-sex wedding points to a reality that must be understood—and fast. Attendance at a wedding is not a neutral act." There's something to be said for Episcopalian snobbery when it's used for good and not evil. Al, these people are old, rich, and don't give a flying f**k what you think of their friends. joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/10/southern-baptists-attack-george-barbara.html#disqus_thread
  23. Anyone seen this? Tonight's family, the sullivans really pinged my fundie radar with their homeschooling, isolation and twelve kids.... Oh and the boys/girls brigade stuff at the baptist church. Hmmmmmmmm...
  24. I know they disagree with the newest policies and I guess they feel they are right but if I was in their shoes I would try to kill them with kindness and show a true Christian acceptance rather than kick them to the curb. My nephew is a member of a church (Congregational) sponsored troop that is fully endowed by the church, he also has a lesbian troop leader. I think it is a great balance for him and I am happy to see the scouts headed in the correct direction but I believe they have a ways to go to complete the trip. Link to article: http://www.adn.com/2013/08/08/3014921/b ... orage.html
  25. http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/mini ... uit/nTCRC/ There must be a special class in "minister" school (or the website where they print their ordination papers) that requires you to be a money grubbing louse to operate in public in Georgia. A little background, On November 21, 2006 police raided a house for a drug raid based on BS information. They lied to get the warrant, they made up facts, got a "no knock" which meant they just busted the door down, and went in. Inside they found katherine Johnston who opened fire on them as they entered. The police shot back, there were lots of ricochets etc, Johnston was hit and ultimitaly killed. I remember some media reports that they handcuffed her while she was still alive. The news was ALL OVER the case from the second it happened and one of the news stations had the alleged "informant" interviewed that night, where he said the warrant was BS. The next day one of the cops went back to the scene and planted some drugs. The "informant's" story is here, he's a real POS but it has good info http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/magaz ... wanted=all All the cops involved were prosecuted and convicted both on the state level and federally. I'm pretty sure they're all still in prison. The police did a very thorough investigation, busted the unit, changed procedures, all kinds of stuff. All through it the family (who didnt even know how old she was when this started) argued over money. The city eventually settled with the estate for 4.9 million. Literally before the smoke cleared the air "reverend" hutchins was on scene. He had no prior relationship with the family, but jumped in front of every camera he could find. He gave interviews, held press conferences, had meetings... inserted himself into other cases where there were camera... then ran (unsuccessfully) for congress. Now he wants a 10% tithe and actually sued this family to get it. He should go work with creflo dollar and the other money sucking "ministers" around here.
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