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Fundamentalism is Fundamentally Wrong [video from former fundie]
ZingerWinger posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
So after ten years, I finally gathered the courage to make a video about my experiences in a Fundamental Baptist Church (which closely followed Bill Gothard's principles). If you have any questions feel free to ask, I'm just trying to get my story out there. After ten years I finally feel like I can talk about this. It's harder than I thought it would be... but worth it. -
Let's start a list if the upper crust of ATI. I always read so-and-so's family is ATI royalty, but not sure who is all included I this group and what qualifies. Obvious family: The Duggars Would the Bates be considered royalty?
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Guess what I found thrift-store shopping today? That's right, A GOTHARD BOOK
dawbs posted a topic in Wide World of Snark
It is filled with....such lovely stuff. It's a kinda pretty book. And it won't fall into the wrong (right?) hands at least now. I'm skimming over it to find what sorts of horrors are buried inside, since I've just started.- 10 replies
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Awhile back, I mentioned making a thread about ATI beliefs vs VF beliefs. I know it's been a few weeks and I'm sorry - I got swamped with my final paper for my class (which I got a B in!), I got seriously ill, my doctor changed my anti depressant and I'm still adjusting, etc. I'm now able to make the post and point out some of the theological differences. Again, I am so sorry it took so long. ATI is Calvinist in belief. To put it simply, here are some basics on Calvinism. I'm pretty well-versed in it, as a common debate at my old school was Calvinism vs Arminianism. Calvin can best
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This was just posted by Buzzfeed. One of the people profiled was raised in ATI.
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Big sandy starts tomorrow! Fj faves lead the way with sessions such as David Waller's "who are you?" and Gil and Kelly bates' "beware of pitching your tent towards sodom". Interesting to see that the duggars are excluded from the schedule entirely but the bates are presenting multiple sessions each day. (And I wonder - are the bates on the schedule that much bc they are popular or bc ati is scraping the bottom of the barrel for speakers?) http://familyconferences.org/events/family-conference/big-sandy-2016/
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Telos (IBLP college) Shutting Down
funyuns_and_fundies posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
I was on the website of Telos, the unaccredited "college" run by IBLP and I noticed it says it is closing due to "finanicial stability." http://telos.edu/ It appears to me that IBLP is attempting to rebrand itself and seperate themselves from their Gothard era as much as possible. They have done away with a lot of programs from that time.- 19 replies
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In Australia: IBLP sells; media call a cult a cult
MamaJunebug posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
IBLP is selling at least part of its real estate in Oz, and if that isn't good news enough, a newspaper report calls the group a cult, describes the Duggars' show as "canned" (aka "cancelled") and also mentions the peccadilloes of Josh & Mr. G!!! ETAsk, don't need to hide the image? I'm sorry if so! It's bunktime for me *and* my phone, I'm loopy.- 28 replies
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The Bates before they were so shiny and perfect including grifting
formergothardite posted a topic in Quiver Full of Bateseseseses
So I dug through the Wayback machine and finally found the old Bates blog. We have looked before and I'm not sure why we weren't able to find it. Wow, what a difference! One of the biggest things that stands out is that in the picture on top, Kelly is never holding a baby or even standing near a baby. They also bring up ATI and IBLP a lot. Here are some of the Bates going to Romania with Gothard to try to save Gypsies. And there are some super awkward Zack's courtship pictures. Poor girl was clearly never really into him. https://web.archive.org/web/20111206095054/http://gilbatesf- 434 replies
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Lessons from the Wisdom Booklets
formergothardite posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
I know a lot of people have wondered what exactly the Wisdom Booklets taught. Recovering Grace is doing a series discussing parts of them. http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2015/10/an-ati-education-chapter-1-under-the-umbrella/ This article points out how all these teachings lead to the idea that no one can question Bill Gothard because questioning him is like questioning God. http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2015/10/an-ati-education-chapter-2-is-it-just-me/ The Wisdom Booklets were set up to train people, even the parents, to doubt themselves and their a- 37 replies
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I was looking at old posts on Chad Paine's blog (I can't sleep) and found this comment from Jessica: This surprises me. I thought that Jessica was a bit out there for ATI, and Zsuzsanna certainly wouldn't approve. Sadly, I think Wisdom Booklets are actually going to provide a better education for those kids than Jessica would manage by constructing her own "curriculum" - she'd change it constantly as the focus of her crazy changed.
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I just had an ATI question. I grew up in Reformed land and while there were a few families in the church into it, ATI wasn't the norm. My understanding of ATI has always been that it required families to homeschool their children. However, I saw a conservative Baptist school out my way advertising their program. I got curious and picked up one of their handbooks. Along with mention of being skirts-only for girls, etc.., they listed their curriculum and talked about using materials from ABEKA, BJU and IBLP. It's also full of all of the ATI code words about "glowing countenance", "umbrell
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Gothard headquarters downsizing, moving to Big Sandy
HereticHick posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
Mods, please merge if someone has already posted about this. Staddon Family blog announces that IBLP is downsizing & moving from Chicago to Big Sandy. staddonfamily.com/2015/09/14/texas-ho/ The decision has been made. Last week it was officially announced that IBLP will be relocating its headquarters from Chicago to Big Sandy, Texas. The trends over the last 15 years have shown that the ministry has more properties than it currently needs, and after much prayer and consideration it was decided that it would be a financially strategic move to consolidate -
Switching sides - ATIers going Reformed, or vice versa?
FoxyMoxie posted a topic in General Religion Questions & Discussion
Thinking about Benessa and baby Spurgeon Seewald got me thinking - if Vision Forum were still around, I could see them trying to get in with that crowd (although I know the crowd is still around, if fractured) although I feel like VF would look down on them as 'nouveau riche'. I certainly think the Seewalds Jr are heading Reformedwards. Are there any other ATIers/non-Reformed types heading that way, or vice versa? I guess Lina going Catholic was a pretty big switcheroo.- 38 replies
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Negligence Lawsuit Filed Against IBLP
love2scrap posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
It's about time. recoveringgrace.org/2015/10/negligence-lawsuit-filed-against-iblp/ Mods, how do we break links in the new format? Removing the front portion doesnt break the link like it used to.- 66 replies
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If you have spent any time on Free Jinger, you will likely recognize the acronyms ATI and IBLP. This is the fundamentalist ministry created by Bill Gothard, an unmarried man who believes such things as: There has long been talk about both Bill Gothard and his brother committing acts of sexual misconduct with female employees and interns. As long ago as 1980, Gothard admitted to "moral failures" with some of the staff. We at FJ have long awaited some kind of action to be taken against this unmarried man who had unlimited access to vulnerable women who are taught from birth that if a ma
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There's a new series on ATI Education on Recovering Grace. The intro and Part 1 are currently posted.
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Now that we know ATI is financially strugging and relocating, I am wondering what kind of jobs they can get? When ATI goes down under, what will they be able to do? Especially with the controversial background of having worked for ATI ? I would be very worried... It's not like all of them can have JB support them, right?
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Good article about cults briefly mentioning ATI . I saw no reason to break link http://www.fairobserver.com/region/nort ... gic-90134/
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Inside The Duggar-Cult' Gothard getting more negitive news
doggie posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
nothing really new but it is good gothard is getting more negative news. http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/ ... followers/ In recent years, the Duggars have become the poster family for wholesome values. But behind the 19 Kids & Counting family's strict God-loving guidelines is a controversial and ultra-conservative foundation: the Institute of Basic Life Principles. Now, in an exclusive investigation, RadarOnline.com has uncovered testimony from former followers of the IBLP, who warn that it is a "cult" that will do the famous family's children more harm than good! -
Do the Duggars' beliefs deflect the pressures of fame?
silvia posted a topic in Quiver Full of Duggars
People have mentioned how many TV families -- most notably, the Gosselins and the Honey Boo Boo clan, though I'm sure there are others -- tend to implode spectacularly under the pressure of being in the spotlight. And this phenomenon isn't limited to reality TV families; child stars, in general, seem to have a tough time of it psychologically, and they tend to start showing signs of trouble even before they're out of their teens (see Judy Garland, Drew Barrymore, Lindsay Lohan, Mary-Kate Olsen, Macaulay Culkin). But for the Duggars, things have been fairly placid, at least on the s -
I read that Bill began his ministry empire by approaching gang members on the street in Chicago. He had great success talking with them and would invite them to some kind of event in a local hall. He says he could turn them around to have a heart for Jesus. So, why wouldn't t Bill with all his supposedly gang success volunteer to help Baltimore at this time?
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I don't know it this is relevant, but I was wondering about all the religions that are similar to the Duggars' but aren't quite the same. I know for one that the schwieters, they're an apostolic bunch, are very similar. I went with one for a bit, a few months, and they all wore the very modest clothes and the girls had to have very long hair. And in the end, the boy I went with, ended up marrying at 18 and having a baby not soon after with the girl he left for. The only difference really, is that they allowed dancing and I went swing dancing quite a few times.
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After reading a couple of blogs of ATI / similar cults survivors and leavers, I wondered if the Duggars have softened with the younger kids in regards of being strict(we know they are not exactly strict on the thriftyness and other topics.) What I was wondering about was there importance for "the happy face" or "good attitude" It seems to be very much existant with the older kids generally, but kids like Jennifer or jordyn are seen with a scowl or indfferent and defo not "good attitude" I wonder if they just let them be(in a certain frame) these days or if it is because
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Gothard's teachings on spanking
formergothardite posted a topic in ATI/IBLP - Gothardism & Bill Gothard
On SSB a former ATI student shares his experience with Gothard's teachings about how parents should spank their children. Warning, the article is very disturbing. I'm only going to copy the part that explains what Gothard told parents to do when it came to spanking their children. I asked my mother if she had this booklet and she said no, probably because as you get further into ATI you usually buy more of the materials and my parents didn't buy a lot of the stuff they were encouraged to buy. The stipulation was that we had to hold still and submissively accept the beating, and we
