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  1. Buzzard will be posting her live-recap of The Interview here. Feel free to continue to persecute the poor, poor Duggars. For the pre-game analysis see: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26202 Note: This thread is to specifically discuss the Megyn Kelly interview and reactions resulting from it. For general discussion on the issue not related to the interview, please use the main thread. Edit: here's the link to all of the recap posts: Part 1: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26243&start=200#p960234 Part 2: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26243&start=280#p960328 Part 3: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26243&start=340#p960383 Part 4: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26243&start=400#p960452 Part 5: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26243&start=420#p960483 Preview of Friday with Jill and Jessa: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26243&start=440#p960492 Full recap below: J'Megyn does the Duggars - Part 1 Megyn is wearing a red shirt... no cleavage. She welcomes us and says that "hours ago" she sat down with the Duggars, discussed the allegations from 12 years ago. She issues a trigger warning. She gives an overview of the Duggars, saying that they seemed to live a "charmed life" - reliable, responsible. They were homeskooled - shows shots of boob playing with littles in fall leaves - Shots from way back when - frumpers... They rose to prominance when boob was in the house of reps. In 2004 they had the series documentaries, then the hit series. Lots of shots from TLC shows... including strict courting rules, no hand holding etc. Shot of Michelle in 2014 saying that its a great plan to be pure for your wedding day and then you get to enjoy the physical aspects of the relationship. The program WAS an enourmous hit, drawing millions of viewers... but with celebrity came controversy... abortion (shot of boob holding josie up as DQ blathers in her blue shirt) "there is a baby holocaust taking place"... gay marriage Josh saying that the american family is at stake, marriage is central to the family and every child deserves a mother and father... and emphasis that women should submit to their husbands (shot of michelle smiling like a stoned deer in headlights). There have been petitions to cancel, but the ratings soared. Jill's wedding had 4.4 milion viewwers... then... in touch DUM DUM DUM... shots of the police report that she says was ILLEGALLY released. She goes through the details of the report and that they include the sisters. He went to elders and rehab. No formal investigation until 2006 when the SOL was up, no charges. Josh issues an apology. Anna and DQ/Boob issue statements... they read them. The media "pounced"... shots of ebil liberal media calling them out for being hypocrites. Megyn - why would a family with such a sekret have a show... And now, boob and Michelle... Michelle is wearing her usual blue shirt with a black t shirt beneath it. Both boob and Michelle have professional makeup on and her hair is uber crunchy. Boob is wearing a green shirt. Megyn - take us back to 2002. How did you first learn that there was a problem with josh? Boob - Well, 12 years ago we went through one of the most darkest times that our family has ever gone through (michelle pensively looks up in sadness and concern). Our son, josh, came to us on his own crying and had just turned 14 and said that he had improperly touched some of our daughters. Michelle - we were shocked, we were just devastated. I dont think any parent is prepared for a trauma like that and I think we had one ray of hope in theat josh came and shared on his own even though the others didnt know anything of his wrongdoing. Megyn - this is a young boy who has come to you with shockin ginformation. WHat did he say and how did you respond? WHat was that like? Michelle - There was so much grief in our hearts, I think as parents we felt "we're failures we tried to raise our kids to do whats right, to know whats right" and here, one of our children made REALLY BAD CHOICES and, as a parent, we were devastated. Megyn - did he explain why? Boob - He said he was just curious about girls and just went in and touched them over their clothes while they were sleeping. THEY DIDNT EVEN KNOW HE HAD DONE IT! (bullshit) and so we went and the first thing was to protect the girls. Discussion about where the girls slept. Boob - we really talked to him and then talked to the girls Michelle - it was so important for us, as parents, to talk our girls and make sure nothing else happened. One by one, none of them were aware of Josh's wrongdoings. Megyn - at this point, how many had he done this to? Boob - that was to two Megyn - neigther had any recolection boob - no Megyn - what was their reaction when they learned it from you? Boob - they really didnt know. What happened was we asked them first if anything happened and then it was after some other things happened that we shared with them... at first we tried to deal with this in house, as parents we were in shock. We were trying to figure out what was the next step. Looking back, WE DID THE BEST THAT WE COULD under the circumstances. At that point, nobody knew about it, we thought "what do we do?"... we talked to him, put "punishments" on him, watched him all the time, I took him to work with me, we just poured our life into him. Megyn - were you scared? Were you worried when you went to bed? Boob - nothing like that happened again in the girl's bedrooms. We had safeguards that protected them from that... there were 2 different insances where girls were laying on the couch and he had touched over the couch and touched their breasts while they were asleep... as we talked to other parents a lot of families said they had similar things happen in their families. For us, this is public shame that our son did this, 12 -13 years ago... Megyn - when you heard the behaviour resumed, what was that like? Boob - we thought at first that josh was on the road to mend but he was still a kid, he wasnt an adult. There were a couple more times where he came and told us what he had done and we were devastated. All these, again, this was not rape or anything like that. This was touching over the clothes, a few instances touching under the clothes. It was liek a few seconds and then he came to us crying. It was after the 3rd time where we felt like we had done everything as parents and we need to get help. We went to outside folks and asked very close friends to come over, we talked about it. We pulled josh out of the home. We knew of a man who mentored young men, who helped young men who made unwise choices in their lives to get straightened out. He was running a training center in little rock. Under the roof was little rock police and a prison ministry. He could do construction work and he would counsel him, and get him straightened out. Megyn - some people have said why did they wait, why didnt they go to the authorities or go for counseling at the very first time he came to you Boob - You know, I talked to someone who worked at those juvenile, youth, sex offender facilities... the success rate is not very good. We felt like that, going from a perspective of reaching his heart first would be important. Megyn - Did legal ever pop into your mind? Boob - as parents youre not mandatory reporters. The law allows for parents to do whats best for your child so we got him out of the home and we sent him down to this place and that was the best decision we made through this whole process. He was at this place, he just turned 15, and he came into himself and god worked in his life. He asked god to forgive him, he asked other he offended to forgive him, and the last jurisdiction was the law. megyn - the subsequent incidents involved daughters who were awake. Boob - there were a couple, yeah, and they didnt really understand. Michelle - it was really his heart, his intent, he knew that it was wrong but they werent even aware. It wasnt to them, they didnt understand that it was an improper touch. Megyn - the ultimate one, before you really got help, was a very young daughter... a single digit. What was that like for you to hear? YOu must have thought this was a pubescent boy, he's testing. But when he did that to a young daughter. Boob - right, at that point, thats when we pulled him out of thehouse. And said he cant be here and he went through working with THAT MAN... Megyn - when he was done with the counseling, not a licensed therapist, a christian based... Boob - Christian based, but I'll tell you what, it really had a huge impact on his life and it was the turning point on his life. Megyn - before Josh went away, and they all knew ... what was that like, what was the dinner table like? Boob - we tried to make things as normal as we can but we were keeping an eye on josh. Megyn - prior to him leaving, were you concerned for the safety of your daughers? Boob looks to michelle. Michelle - well we definitely put safeguards in our home. Boob - we also talked to our daughters and reminded them about wrong and right touch and that they... Michelle - they had a safe place to share their heart. We were trying to protect and watch and make sure that their hearts were safe and at the same time putting boundaries and putting safegueards up Boob - we werent giving up on josh... J'megyn saves the Duggars part 2 Megyn - the duggars were faced with questions including what to tell police and how to protect their children Did it feel at all like a sophies's choice? Boob - we felt like our son's heart had gone astray. Jesus shared a story... sheep... going after one... as parents we loved josh "and our other ones" we had to make sure that josh didnt make wrong choices. Michelle - it doesnt mean that youre not a good shephard, jesus was a good shephard but he went after one that went astray. We were doing the best we could to protect these and go after one... blah blah... devastated.. .we have to send him out. He has to go and get help. It was that evening when they left and took him, he was weeping and shared what he had done and we were weeping... and the little one was like "whats wrong?" The next day and for days I said 'josh has done some very bad things (tearless crying) and hes very sorry." Boob - I was thankful, and the ray of hope was... josh came and told us and his heart was still soft. We wouldnt have known if he hadnt came and told us. None of the victims really knew about this or understand what he had done... Megyn - what about that jim bob, as a parent, do you feel guilty when you learned that his behavior had continued and other girls had became victims? Boob - yes. We, I think as parents you feel like a failure when one of your kids does something wrong. You feel like "If I had done more training, or maybe something else" this wouldnt have happened but the truth is that kids will make their own choices and they will make decisions even though youve taught them right and wrong Megyn - I'm talking about, as the father of your girls not the father of josh. It must have been very hard to look at your little one and know that the behavior had been ongoing. Boob - right. I was so thankful, though that josh came and told us and that our girls, even though this was a bad situation, as we;ve talked to other families that have had other things happen, a lot of their stories were even worse. Megyn - just to clarify, it was 4 daughters and a babysitter, and you notified her... Boob - right, he called her and asked for forgiveness. She didnt know that had done anything either. It was more like just a, fondling, touch, while they were asleep for most of them and there were 2 incidents when they were awake. It was a bad thing. It was something we'd like to forget. Megyn - let me move back to therapy. You sent josh to this treatment center. Was there more therapy for josh and the girls? Boob - yes. What happened was, when josh came back from little rock, the last step was to make things right with the law because he had broken the law. We took him down to the local police station, the closest one to our house, and walked in and talked to a man there. Megyn - what was that like? How do you make the decision as a parent to bring your child to law enforcement and turn him over Boob - we felt like it was an important step for josh to confess to the police what he had done because he had broken the law and if we didnt do this that this would be something hanging over his head for the rest of his life... Megyn - was that terrifying? Boob - it was very terrifying. We didnt know if they were going to arrest him at that point or what they were going to do... Michelle - and now, we were waiting to hear... we didnt know if they were going to come... Duggars make it all better part 3 Megyn - How did you choose the person to whom you would surrender him? Because theres been some question about whether you chose a friend, someone you knew who would go easy on him Boob - I had a towing business for years so I did know officers. We went into headquarters, went in and talked to him... we took a witness with us and he shared everything... we had no idea what that officer was going through... Megyn - did you have any idea what the officer was going through... Boob and Megyn reinforce that Boob knew nothing about it. Boob - I was questioning why he would say it (that Josh hadnt told everything). Maybe he'll get out on parole or something. We took a witness... he told everything Michelle - He said "if you continue down this path you are going to destroy your life and you could end up in prison. Megyn - when that was over... you thought it was over Boob - we didnt know. A few weeks went by, months went by... someone called the hotline... Megyn - we'll get to that but I want to talk about counseling. Was that the only counseling he got and what about your daughters? Boob - no, Josh actually went and had complete Michelle - All of our children recieved professional counseling after this, including josh who paid for his own counseling himself Boob - from an accredited, professional counselor. Megyn - did you feel, when josh had been though all of this, and he emerged, did you feel that he was a threat? Boob - not at all Megyn - did you ever worry that the treatment didnt work Boob - no. Josh was a changed person Michelle - and we still had those safeguards in place (you mean the ones that didnt work?) I mean, its like, there were a lot of things that changed. This first son... to come to this place... things we learned even since then... we dont let boys babysit, they dont play hide and seek... your'e not alone in a room iwth someone else. Little ones dont sit on big boys laps or even family members, unless its your daddy ... we just, theres boundaries that we've learned. Lies, LIES! ALL LIES! Part 4 Shots of duggars in frumpers walking in a line... In 2004 they gained national media attention. In 2006 things almost unraveled. Someone lEAKED the story... reads the email. Harpo called authorities... police reports... the family told police the truth. FIVE victims were interviewed and they denied further abuse. SOL had run and case was closed. Megyn - its all behind you and then in 2008 you launched the show. What would make you launch a tv show about your family given this past Boob - you know, back in early on, it was after all this was taken care of in 2002-2003. A magazine came and asked to do a story... Megyn - are you thinking "wait, this may not be a good idea"... cameras discovered things Boob - we had nothing to hide. We had taken care of this years before and when they asked us to do the reality tv show all this had been taken care of 5 years before and we had a clean bill of health from the state megyn did any of the girls or josh say "hold on mom and dad" Boob - we had no fear because we hadnt, everything was taken care of. It was a sealed juvenile record. They told us all this was sealed and under law it couldnt come out Megyn - did you live in fear that this could come out? Michelle - I dont know that we lived in fear because it was resolved, forgiven, we had moved on in life Megyn - when you heard that, in late may, that the story had broken and you hadnt been given a heads up, that they were going to do this, what was your reaction? Boob - I said "god, I know that there are a lot of families out there that are hurting and you know what, this isnt something we wanted to come out but if people can see that josh, who did these very bad things when he was a young person, god can forgive him for these terrible things, then I hope other people realize that god can forgive them and make them a new creature. Megyn - do, do you - was there any motivation for this police chief, that you know of, to want to hurt your family? Michelle - I figure there must be an agenda Boob - I dont know if there was a bribe or a personal agenda Michelle - it definitely wasnt to be caring about the victims Megyn - have you had any prior dealings with her? Boob - I think josh had talked to her one day at a meeting and she turned and wouldnt talk to him. She was getting ready to retire... she said there were a few things I want to do before I retire... I think I was on the list. Megyn - any chance of you suing her or the city for this disclosure? Boob - we're talking to some attorneys and we'll see. The big picture is protecting juveniles records, we want to be an advocate for protecting juveniles records (not victims of sex abuse) because the mistakes juveniles make when they're young should be sealed. Megyn - how has this effected your daughers? Boob - our daughters were shocked. It crushed them at first. They didnt want this out. No victim wants their minor story to be told. Every victim should have the right to have their own sotry told, not a tabloid. Megyn - the main story we've heard has been they are hypocrites, they preached family values... they had this secret and they werent honest Boob - I dont think you go up to total strangers and say "hi, my name is so and so and i want you to know what I did as a child." Every family has things happen in the familes. Some have darker things than other. Megyn - what the critics are goin gfor is you shouldnt be preaching moral values, calling other people sinners when you in fact are sinners Boob - our son violated god's principles of doing improper touching. Thats terrible, but its been recently said that what josh did was inexcusable, but its not unforgivable. Megyn - Mike Huckabee said that. I know he is a friend of your family. Michelle, let me ask you, because you were in the news for making a robocall that suggested trans people would go into the bathrooms and may be child molesters... how could you unfairly in their view, suggest they are child molestors, knowing what you know about josh. Michelle - I think that protecting young girls and not allowing men and young men go into a girl's locker room is just common sense Megyn - But this is different because you injected child molestation into it Boob - I think you actually said pedophile. A pedophile is an adult that preys on children. Joshua was 14 and had just tuned 15. The legal definition is 16 preying on a child. He was a child preying on a child. We do not view josh as a pedophile. Megyn - what I'm asking you is can you understand the critics reaction to this news. Michelle - every one of us has done something wrong. Thats why jesus came. I feel like this is more about ... pause... pause... theres an agenda... pause... and theres people that are purposing to bring things out and twisting them to hurt and slander WE'RE BEING PERSEQUOOOOTED!!!!!!!!!! Part 5 Megyn - do you think that the backlash has been greater because of who you are and what you stand for? Michelle - I think some out there do Megyn - do you think in particular your christian beliefs are at issue here Boob - I think as people on the outside think well, christians are supposed to be perfect... no, all of us, as christian struggle everyday Megyn - what happenes to the duggars from here? Boob - I dont know if the rest of our family should be punished for the act of one of our children 12 years ago... we are fine whether they film us or not... we're going to go on and live life and serve god and make a difference in the world Michelle - enjoy our children and enjoy our grandchildren and continue on with life. Either way we are at peace. Megyn - do you think the show will be cancelled has TLC given you any indication? Boob - at this point our family is just trying to regroup from these attacks and when you are in every newspaper thoughout the world, its an unprecedented attack on our family and it was actually this informatio was released illegally... so I'm wondering why all these press is not going after these system for releasing the juvenile records. That is a huge story. What our son did 12 years ago is a major story to them too, but hopefully justice will be served on the ones that released juvenile records to protect other juvenile to prevent their records from being released. Megyn - it must have been terrible. I'm sure youre going through hell right now. Michelle - I think whats so devestating as a momma, for me. We took our children to the safety center, the children's safety center. We trusted them, the police department. Our children poured out their hearts, they shared everything (I thought they didn know anything...) and then to have their trust betrayed, for all their informatio to be turned over to a TABLOID! Shared in a slanderous way... as a mom that breaks my heart because this... they've ben victimized more than they WERE 12 YEARS AGO because they didn tknow then. In our hearts we havent been keeping secrets, we were protecting them and now, for people with an AGENDA in a for whatever profit they're going to get... god will use all of this for good... Boob - thank you for telling our story. Preview of friday - Jill and Jessa 1 in 5 girls and 1 in 20 boys is a victim of child sexual abuse 3 out of 4 of those abused were victimized by someone they know Researchers say that most young offenders are male and between the ages of 12 and 14. A 2009 analysis showed taht 85-90 % never are arrested for a sex crime again. If you know a victim in need of help call 18004224453 In a stunning follow up... we sat down with 2 sisters, jill and jessa. Jill - crying - we're victims, they cant do this to us Jessa - a system that was set up to protect kids... its greatly failed. Friday at 9 PM
  2. I was just thinking of the things I expect the Duggars to say in their Megyn Kelly interview. And the things I expect that they will never admit. Then I thought that someone could make a drinking game out of their buzzwords, but since they don't drink, that would be inappropriate. So I made bingo cards. 19 of them, so all your kids can play. Maybe not any more appropriate, but it's my way of keeping track of all the crap that has been spewed about raising children over the years and the glaring things that they'll never address. Here's the generator that I used. osric.com/bingo-card-generator/ Edited to add: I guess I can't upload a PDF here, will work on converting it.
  3. duggarfamily.com/2015/5/next-week "Next week we will sit down with Megyn Kelly on Fox News to share our hearts with you about the pain that we walked through as a family twelve years ago, the tears we all shed and the forgiveness that was given. We appreciate the outpouring of love and prayers for our family at this time. -Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar" Disgusting! FOX is going to show some of it on Wednesday and then the full special one hour interview on Friday according to People. http://www.people.com/article/duggars-i ... on-scandal
  4. Courtesy of People: ~Kitchen footmat that she says feels squishy between her feet when she pretends to cook. It also says KITCHEN to give her a hint ($49.99) ~apple spiraler bc evidently fresh apples are now a fav in the Duggar home...hope she tells her family that bc I don't think they know ($21.99) ~JBL portable Bluetooth speaker helps drown out her kids ($49.99) ~ice cream gift card. This is the cheapest gift on there and so of course she mentions JB ~Lavendar Epsom salts bc she says she "loves Lavendar bath salts for a warm relaxing soak"...I'm sure like all moms of 19 do ($6.29) ~Handel's Water Music- again more Michelle time ($8.99) ~a custom birthday board to keep track of bdays and anniversary ($40) bc TLC needs to know so they can plan & pay for activity Other picks: edible arrangements starting at $79, a weekend to remember marriage retreat (guessing that's horn-dog JBs suggestion), my charge hub plus ($99) So I'm guessing she had some help w this list as it's a blatant advert, but considering their schpeils of buy used...hell Anna made that crappy mobile as a gift... They got decorations from thrift store...Etc this list doesn't seem like an appropriate list coming from the Duggars. Not one mention of her liking homemade gifts. Instead of edible arrangement how about saying she likes baked cookies? Lavendar scented Epsom salt. They bragged and demonstrated how they make laundry detergent! Sheesh. Where are this broad's principles??
  5. secure.ministrysync.com/ministrysync/event/home.php?e=9236 Last night Cobb pregnancy services (https://www.facebook.com/cobbpregnancy) had a fundraiser to continue their assault on women's rights. Guess who was the keynote speaker? Yup, Michelle and Boob Duggar! Love the flyer that depicts the holocaust (link above), this place is totally up their alley. Abortion is equal to the holocaust and segregation... who knew? I've found a few public pictures using #prolifecommunity. Is that Josiah? No sign of Jessa and Ben, guess it wasnt high enough on his fire and brimstone list to attend. I've never heard of this organization before and they have less than 400 likes on their facebook page. I wonder how they landed the Duggars and what horrors are in store for the city as they remain here!
  6. have seen so many pictures of the weddings. Derick's family, Ben's family, their friends, Amy, tons of people. Was Michelle's family invited to both or either? Were they there??
  7. I'm new to the forum and in all honesty relatively new to 19+C. I've seen most of S9 and 10 and a few of the older versions in replay. My question is about what you see for the future of their home in 20 or so years from now. The house works for how they live today with all those kids. However, in 20+ years Josie will probably be married (and we may get the occasional TV special showing the family and where they are then) but who do you think will have the house? As JB & M get on in age, 20+ years gets them in their 70's, that is a large house to have to clean without the Jslaves. Granted they may have many grandkids visiting them often and helping out but that will only last so long as well. I'm not overly sure of the layout but I believe Mary has a room downstairs as she now lives there so do think that JB & M may eventually end up in that room (given that Mary may have passed on by then) or do you believe that they may hand the house over to another one of their children and family?
  8. I thought about this when I was doing laundry (aka I thought about Michelle's infamous laundry breakdown), and it made me wonder what would happen if those two never met. Do you think that Michelle would go on with her Nike ways and find a normal man and have 2.5 children? Would Jim Bob find another incredibly submissive godly women and have 19 children with her? Any thoughts?
  9. if she used this method imagine the production rate would have gone up. [bBvideo 560,340:3q1dvr0q] [/bBvideo]
  10. http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/the- ... -duh-54787 Michelle and Jim Bob on how google maps can arouse the devil in their children....
  11. I realize I'm going straight to hell for this one, but there's a pitchfork with my name on it... http://www.people.com/people/article/0, ... 12,00.html I have nothing but sympathy for those who struggle with eating disorders. It is a nightmare that so many deal with. Having said that, it seems the publicist Wurlitzer is cranked up to full volume right now. New season. Delayed book FINALLY making its debut. And I believe that Michelle Duggar was "bulimic" as much as I believe in Santa Claus.
  12. well the stupid robocall and all were over absolutely nothing. not one problem ever reported. http://mic.com/articles/114066/statisti ... -bathrooms Surprise: There are zero reported cases of this happening. Several states, including Arizona, Florida, Texas and Kentucky, have considered or are considering enacting so-called "bathroom bills," which restrict transgender people from using the bathroom in line with their gender identity, and are framed as "protective" measures against "sexual predators." But these bills are not protective. They're vehicles for instilling fear of trans and gender-nonconforming people. For example, Florida State Representative Frank Artiles ®, who sponsored the Single Sex Public Facilities bill (HB 583), did not provide any evidence that a trans person has ever attacked cisgender (non-transgender) people in public restrooms when pressed by BuzzFeed in February. On his blog, Artiles wrote that this bill is a "preventative" measure and was not spurred by a specific incident.
  13. Gillyweed

    Duggars and Divorce

    I'm watching Jessa's wedding for the first time and it got me wondering one thing: how do you think the Duggars would feel if one of the married couples ended up divorcing. With 19 kids and the way they deal with courtships, there are bound to be some couples that aren't soulmates, but do you think they'll be forced to stay together? Especially with how unprepared for the real world all the kids are, I think the girls wouldn't be able provide for their kids in they ended up divorcing
  14. Sorry to be morbid, but I'm genuinely curious about this - say Michelle had died due to the complications she had with Josie. Do you think Jim Bob would've gone, "Gee, maybe if it hadn't been Michelle's job to be sexually available to me and my needs at all times, she'd still be here and my children would still have a mother"? What do you think would happen to the Quiverfull movement (and Quiverfull-ish families) if mothers were dying?
  15. Hey everyone! First time starting a thread. I'm going to try to turn my incoherent train of thought into a readable post. There are a lot of conflicting perceptions of the Duggar children, especially as they approach adulthood. I think we pretty unanimously view the elementary-aged through teenage children as victims of their parents' choices, and of the destructive fundamentalist culture in general. Seeing someone as a victim reduces the degree to which we seem them as an agent (i.e. capable of independent thoughts and decisions), so even though these kids have the same hateful views as their parents, we excuse them because they don't know better. However, as soon as a Duggar kid moves out of the house, in our eyes they immediately become responsible for their beliefs and actions. There is open criticism towards Josh, Jill, and Jessa about decisions they've made (e.g. no birth control, work for hate group, etc.) and things they've said on social media. There is such an abrupt shift in the way we perceive them, when in reality their maturation has been happening fluidly since they were born. We're angry with who they are now, when the people they are now have been in the making for the past 20+ years. They didn't suddenly gain insight when they got married, so why suddenly hold them accountable for beliefs they've had for years? I think part of what causes this is our victimization of the Duggar kids still living at home. We act as if every one of them is silently wishing they could escape, without realizing that the kids themselves buy into the culture just as much as their parents do. We feel sorry for them because they've never been exposed to a non-Gothard school of thought, but because of that isolation, they don't feel like they're missing out. I know I've always seen Jana as an overworked Cinderella-type character, but the fact is, she probably enthusiastically agrees with all the horrible things her parents stand for. My point is, if we insist that the kids at home are "blameless," then that shouldn't end when they leave the compound. They're still the exact same people with the exact same life experiences, who were taught that critical thinking is off limits. If we insist that they are responsible for their own decisions and opinions when they leave home, then it may be useful to remind ourselves that the kids we currently sympathize with--Josiah, Joy Anna, Jana, Hannie--are also bigoted, sexist, homophobes that swear we're doing the devil's work.
  16. BeckaBoots

    J'chelle pregnant?

    I was reading on a fb page that J'chelle is pregnant again. It's this true or speculation?
  17. It's hard to listen to this crap. In part #2 they talk about "Satan" making their kids have desires "that cannot be righteously fulfilled". I wish they could hear how CRAZY they sound. Interesting to hear that "righteously fulfilled" line from JB & Michelle, as we've heard it parroted so much from their different children over the years. Part 1: http://www.covenanteyes.com/2015/02/11/ ... w-duggars/ Part 2: http://www.covenanteyes.com/2015/02/18/ ... rs-part-2/
  18. The post on Duggar Family Official on Friday said, "Out with my Sweet Heart" Duggar Family Blog says Jim Bob Michelle Jessa and Ben went out to Market Grill. IMO they should give Jana, Jinger and Grandma a night out. So Boob and Mullet got to enjoy two nights out while the others held the fort down.
  19. In "A Love that Multiplies" Michelle compares romance novels to porn for women. I also gather they can't read much classic lit. It's ashame these kids can't enjoy books for pleasure. not even classic lit. In the public school episode, was it Jill or Jinger? that said their favorite books were "Before You Meet Prince charming" and "The Reverend Spy"-no Charles Dickens , Mark Twain etc I gather they feel most literature is a waste of time unless it fits their beliefs. I guess Boob and Michelle are afraid the kids will learn other ideas.
  20. So I have read Michelle's story on this several times. Obviously there is some reason she wants everyone to know about it. She doesn't really seem to care much for being overly open and honest, so why even mention it unless there is way more than she's telling and she's afraid the neighbor will talk some day? She claims she destroyed their marriage. Most people seem to think she's just a bit crazy for thinking that. I, on the other hand, have always assumed she was sleeping with him, thus destroying his marriage. It would all make sense and also help explain how it was so easy for awkward Jim Bob to not only snag, but also control, the pretty cheerleader. She would have been viewed as damaged goods.
  21. So I found this picture on Jessa's Instagram account. Who's house do you think they are at? Who do you think Jim Bob included in his group text?
  22. doggie

    Dugger prayer

    God sitting in his favorite chair hears the prayer phone ringing with a very familiar ring. Oh god not the Duggers again he picks it up and hears the usual begging for another baby, jesus he thinks let's try it again he whispers use a condom. Things that pop into my head when I can't sleep.
  23. But I bet they wish they did!! http://www.people.com/article/mom-daugh ... l-hospital
  24. I've been wondering about this for awhile. On their first date JB took MIchelle to his school dance. And in 14 Children & Preg Again he specifically calls it a dance. So were they ok with dancing at that point? And in their first book they say when Josh was a baby they met homeschoolers and decided to go that route. So when did they make the leap to the IBLP/ATI cult?
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