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  1. http://www.churchleaders.com/pastors/pa ... t.html?p=1 My personal favorite is how if they are over-eating or chubby, they're probably not keeping it in their pants in other ways than just love handles. ETA: Because it wasn't clear - I think that's bogus. Weight is far more complicated than "just use self-control."
  2. ladyamylynn

    Reddit thread about growing up in a cult

    http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comme ... cult_what/ Pretty interesting, I haven't read through the whole thing yet.
  3. Michelle Pfeiffer has recently admitted to being part of a "new Age' cult when she first came to Hollywood. I guess anyone can fall for cults religous or otherwise. http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainmen ... -1.1506261
  4. An ultra-Orthodox Israeli family that crossed the border into Jordan Wednesday night was returned Thursday afternoon to Israel, where its members were promptly detained for questioning by the Eilat police. The family was on its way to Canada, where the parents, with their six children, planned to join fellow members of an extremist cult based in a small town in Quebec. The cult, Lev Tahor (Pure Heart) numbers around 250 people, including 100 children. It is led by Rabbi Shlomo Helbrans, a 50-year-old Israeli, who according to reports uses extreme violence and mind-control methods to manipulate his followers. http://www.timesofisrael.com/jordan-hands-back-border-hopping-family/
  5. Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood and the Prison of Belief by Lawrence Wright Before starting this book I didn't know much about Scientology other than it's considered to be a kooky religion by most people, there are a lot of books and Tom Cruise is a member and he's always creeped me out, even as a kid. I was rather surprised at how unhinged Ron Hubbard appears to have been. His interpersonal relationships seem so disfunctional and his relationship with the teenage Messengers is just creepy even if there didn't seem to be a sexual component to it- you can groom a child without being overtly sexual about it. Without having lived through it I keep wondering how people can be so brainwashed as to accept his dictates as normal or appropriate, those punishments on the boats sound down right sadistic. I wasn't able to finish the book due to real life and getting the book late from the library. In the last thread Rita asked about moving the discussions to once a month. Given that I haven't managed to finish the last two books in time I'm starting to think she's right. Would people prefer to keep it at twice a month or move to once a month? If we go to once a month does starting the thread on the first of the month still work for people? Any other ideas or suggestions? May 15: Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back by Frank Schaeffer June 1: In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible and How it Changed a Nation, a Language and a Culture by Alister McGrath June 15: Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith by John Krackauer July 1: Was America Founded as a Christian Nation?: A Historical Introduction by John Fea July 15: The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
  6. lemurknits

    Chilean Cult Sacrifices Baby

    http://gawker.com/cult-leader-on-the-ru ... -482746088 A Chilean cult sacrificed a baby because they thought it was the Anti-Christ. How utterly disgusting.
  7. Aloha, I am a newly registered user but have been a lurker for a long time. I enjoy reading and studying topics concerning religion in many different forms. A fascination of mine is fundies (of all religions, not just Christianity), how religions begin and are altered over time, and religious cults. I have some questions that I haven't been able to find the info to and would like to either be pointed in the right direction for study or begin a dialogue here. My questions today involve cults. I know Scientology has been in the news quite a bit over the last year or so, and while reading about Jenna Miscavige-Hill I am intrigued about family connections to cult leaders. This encompasses not just Scientology, but also smaller cults or cult-like groups such as the branch of FLDS concerning Warren Jeffs and stretching even further back in time to groups like Peoples Temple (Jonestown) and etc. If the purpose of a cult leader is to gain and maintain control and assets of followers and have free reign to carry out abuse on those followers, then it is obvious that the founder(s)/leader(s) know what type of system they are implementing. It seems there would be a clear linear goal with the end results possibly becoming more macabre as years drag on, but not always necessarily. The question I have is, "Where does the role of family members come into play?" If the leader(s) are aware that the group is based on false beliefs and that the group is used for nefarious purposes then why are family members often subject to the same mistreatment as other, regular members of the group? It would seem to me that it could be a benefit to pass down the leadership to someone who has been a part of the group their whole life and who possibly doesn't realize how awful things are from an objective viewpoint. Perhaps when they assume command and they fully begin to realize the deception and despicable things going on they are too invested to ever be able to leave the group. I understand that possibility. But when leaders subject their very own family members to such abusive behavior starting in early childhood, and it is clear that that family member will never assume command or leadership roles of the group then I am failing to understand any possible benefit for allowing or encouraging that to happen. In the COS example, Jenna Miscavige-Hill, the niece of leader David Miscavige was subject to the same horrific abuse as all other, regular, non-celebrity members. Her treatment was severe as she was born to parents in the Sea Org, the most hard-core sector. Fortunately she was able to leave COS before it was too late but the damage has already been done. Why are family members subjected to this type of treatment? I find it hard to believe that David Miscavige believes in the tenets of Scientology and that his motives are anything other than financial and the satisfaction he has in controlling other people. If he KNOWS Scientology's religious aspects are false then what benefit would he have for having his own family treated in such a way? I would assume it would cause more damage to COS when word got out that family was treated just as horribly in the likelihood of an escape and denouncement. If his own family was treated and regarded more highly then not only would a defection be statistically less likely, if one did occur then the leaders could always claim that they were treated fairly and that the defector is publishing pure lies. Is it just that the leaders have such little regard for other people that this is extended to their own family? Jim Jones (Peoples Temple/Jonestown massacre) subjected his own immediate family members to his madness as well and had radioed his son to commit suicide the day of the massacre as his son was away at a ball game. I'm struggling to understand the purpose and/or benefit with involving those closest to you. For a founder of a group who's end goal doesn't concern mass suicide, wouldn't it be better to teach immediate family how to continue or further the group and teach the recruiting, financial, psychological tactics, etc to ensure its continuation? I am just at a complete loss and have been pondering this for some time. Now that I am registered, I figured I could post. If this is in the wrong sub-forum please feel free to move.
  8. Episode One: Trapped, hulu.com/watch/433191#i0,p0,d0 Episode Two: Escape, hulu.com/watch/433192#i0,p0,d0
  9. tropaka

    LDS Offshoot/Cult in Ontario, Canada

    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/11/30/cu ... hool-board
  10. divadivine

    Documentary: I Escaped a Cult

    I DVR'd the documentary "I Escaped a Cult" on the National Geographic Channel. Wow, totally eye opening and scary. Has anyone else watched the documentary?
  11. debrand

    Cult In NC Murders Two People

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -sisk.html http://www.gazette.com/articles/leader- ... woman.html Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/leader- ... z26iwsfdxh
  12. terranova

    Cult or religion

    I had a heated debate with my sister last night about a friend of hers who is a Jehovah's Witness. My sister was saying being a JW is like living in a community. My argument is that communities don't generally shun members who choose to leave. My thought is that JW is a cult and that her friend is teaching her children that non witnesses are all going to hell and that being gay in an abomination, amongst other things I find repulsive to teach your kids. My sister says it is a religion, not a cult. So where is the line between religion and cult? And where to JW fall?
  13. tropaka

    Cults Lure Needy in Hard Times

    Not really snarkworthy, but disturbing http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/arti ... omic-times
  14. Dear Chuck O'Neal, Free speech includes the interwebz. http://www.katu.com/news/local/Beaveton ... 27055.html Beaverton "Grace" Church is suing former members for posting slander on a personal survivor-esque blog. He is suing the author of the blog, as well as her adult daughter and two others who posted about the shunning, spiritual abuse, and complete mindfuckery that happened at that church. Is 'grace' some sort of code-word for messed up beyond all reason churches?
  15. ...It seems not to be a joke. The crazy ringleader of this particular cult is a man named Niilo Paasivirta. His beliefs are outlined here, with a forum here and some anti-roleplaying craziness here. In the forum, they are recruiting teenage virgins to be polygamous wives and concubines. A sampling of the beliefs: And that's just the tip of the iceberg of vileness...
  16. ladypuglover

    How to tell if it's a cult

    http://www.letusreason.org/cults.htm Here is a link that tells how cults work. I bet most of us have met cults without even realizing it as not all cults are about religion. http://www.howcultswork.com/ Cult test http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult.html
  17. Soldier of the One

    List your favorite wackadoodle religion or cult!

    In an alternative universe, I would have loved to become a specialist in 'fringe cults and religions'. One of my more eclectic hobbies is hunting the Internet for strange and intriguing philosophies and faiths. Of course, the Internet is an unlimited source of the crazy. I believe that peering into the souls of counter-cultural faith groups can tell us a lot about our own cultural priorities. In a sense, they hold up a mirror to ourselves. What's your favorite wackadoodle religion? My first contribution are the Raelians. They are your run-of-the-mill Space Age alien cult but strangely well-organized (by comparison, of course). Founded by a French Jewish (!) journalist in the 1970's, I think, the Raelians have a mission for all mankind. And it includes human cloning. rael.org/home Who's next? [Edited to break link]
  18. Kdw

    Treasures of the Snow

    Does anyone know anything about this cult? It's been in the news a lot due to Mindy Mcready's mom being a member. Apparently she thinks she is a prophet and they use harsh discipline.
  19. bionicmlle

    Santa Cruz Cult?

    I suppose this might be a bit off topic but I think the link at the bottom would be interesting for some of our fundies. First -- anyone know of a cult in the Santa Cruz are run by a psychic (female)? I have tried to do some searches but can't find anything. Acquantance of mine going here: http://www.wellspringretreat.org/index.php for "reprogramming." Link not broken because I doubt this place cares where their traffic comes from but if someone wants me to, just let me know.
  20. movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/rose-mcgowan-childhood-escape-cult-185945352.html?nc
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