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  1. I can hear the right wing noise machine firing up already over this... americamagazine.org/faith/2017/03/08/pope-francis-discusses-ordination-married-men-response-priest-shortage Yeah, I hope he pushes this through, if for no other reason than the look on Lord High Ray Burke's face when he does that. Doesn't look like the womenfolk are going to get invited in anytime soon, but hey it's a start. Hopefully in my lifetime.
  2. A Jesuit Priest stood up for LGBTs feeling alienated from the Catholic Church and no good deed goes unpunished. I think Austin ought to go perform an intimate act upon himself in traffic. Conservative Catholics like the ones attacking Fr. Martin are a big reason why I'm no longer a Catholic. If Jesus Christ came down and walked into their parish tomorrow these Catholic fundies would be calling for his excommunication.
  3. Captain Awkward, my favorite advice column, answered a letter about a couple that has religion-based disagreements on birth control. https://captainawkward.com/2017/05/24/969-when-spouses-dont-agree-about-birth-control/ TLDR version: Catholic couple decided to stop having children after #3. However, their only options as devout Catholics were NFP and abstinence. This resulted in baby #4. The whole ordeal made the wife become agnostic, she doesn't want to get pregnant again, and she wants to use more reliable contraception. The husband is still Catholic, scared of sinning, and wants to continue with abstinence. Captain Awkward's advice is that it is ok for the wife to make a birth control decision unilaterally because she is the partner capable of getting pregnant. I thought this part was particularly interesting. We've talked in the forums before about the ethics of one partner secretly using birth control, and I think this makes an articulate case for why it is necessary. She has given similar advice on LGBT people who are afraid that their homophobic parents will be mad at them for "lying" for so long. If you are X, and your family has made it clear that X is not an ok thing to be, then they are asking for you to lie about it for your own safety while you are under their roof.
  4. https://rewire.news/article/2016/08/23/complaint-citing-catholic-rules-doctor-turns-away-bleeding-woman-dislodged-iud/ Conservative Catholics would say that if you don't like the rules of a Catholic hospital you can always go somewhere else, but many people don't have this option. This is why we need secular health care. One's life should not be in jeopardy because of Dogma.
  5. Cool. ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-create-commission-study-female-deacons-catholic-church#.VzR7PK-lw_U.twitter Hopefully the church will move in that direction, having female deacons as a start then keep moving towards the day when all levels of holy orders are open to women. Of course this being the Catholic Church I'm managing expectations on this.
  6. Michael Voris probably isn't a name that will ring bells for most FJers, but he's well-known in the world of conservative and traditionalist Catholic social media: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Voris He's been banned from speaking at a number of Catholic venues because of his inflammatory rhetoric, which includes: saying only "faithful Catholic" should be allowed to vote saying that the US government should be replaced by a Catholic claiming that global warming is a "scam" to force population control measures on religious people blaming various problems on "the Jews" flirting with geocentrism claiming that the hierarchy is being controlled by "the lavender mafia" Voris is almost like a comedy sketch's idea of how Protestants saw Catholics in the pre-Vatican II era, but he's deadly serious. In any case, Voris has recently admitted to a "gay past" but was healed through the miraculous intercession of Our Lady of Fatima and St. Michael the Archangel and is now perfectly celibate: http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/limiting-god Voris seems like a deeply closeted, self-hating, and troubled individual. In that sense, I feel for him. But he has repeatedly shown no mercy towards LGBT people who have a psychologically healthy view of their sexuality, and breeds hatred and anti-intellectualism among his followers. He reminds me of Father Charles Coughlan in many ways, but at least Coughlan shut up when his superiors told him, while Voris claims that the hierarchy is "persecuting" him for "telling it like it is" (he says he's revealing this information because the Archdiocese of New York is "trying to smear him"). I have to wonder if Voris will even be allowed to stay in the traditionalist "club" since many of them are taking the view that even celibate LGBT people who try to follow Catholic teachings are an existential threat to Catholicism. I suppose this is why Voris is claiming to be "healed" through supernatural means, rather than just claiming to be celibate.
  7. The discussion on how Mother Angelica actively wanted to suffer in her last moments on earth got me thinking about this case, which I don't think has been discussed before. Audrey Santo was a young woman who died in 2007, almost twenty years after she fell into a swimming pool as a young child and suffered severe brain damage. That alone is a tragic story, but there's more to it, in that her mother claims that Audrey became a "victim soul," who suffered on behalf of the world's sinners, and was capable of working miracles for others even though she couldn't heal herself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Santo http://www.littleaudreysantofoundation.com/ (Official website, including the drive to have her canonized) http://www.csicop.org/si/show/miracles_or_deception_the_pathetic_case_of_audrey_santo (Skeptical Inquiry's take) I'll say right off that I think this whole "victim soul" routine was a pious fraud on the part of Santo's mother. I don't think Linda Santo was/is actively trying to scam people so much as she was projecting her own religious beliefs on her daughter to make sense of the tragedy that had befallen her. She probably does think her daughter was a miracle worker who brought people closer to god, even if she or some other family member was the one faking the weeping statues and pictures. The way in which Audrey was treated during her lifetime was grotesque, especially having the window cut into her room so pilgrims could gawk at her, and having her wheeled out into the stadium with 10,000 onlookers. Treating a disabled person with dignity doesn't mean turning them into a sideshow display. The whole idea of a "victim soul," which isn't found in mainstream Catholic theology, is also grotesque, and makes god out to be a sadist who enjoys torturing sick children. At least the Catholic hierarchy hasn't endorsed the Little Audrey cult, and hopefully she won't be canonized, because this sends all kind of wrong messages on a variety of issues.
  8. So, the Pope issued the "Amoris Laetitia," a broad statement about marriage and other forms of love in relation to the RC Church and Christianity in general. While there is no call for accepting gay marriage, or allowing remarried Catholics to take communion, there are some interesting changes in some of the messaging around patriarchy and authoritarianism in marriage. I found this passage especially interesting: Vox has a good summary.
  9. Yeah, setting up your boss is not a good career move... nydailynews.com/news/world/vatican-replace-ambassador-arranged-meeting-kim-article-1.2567132 Of course he had reached the mandatory age 75 where clergy are to send in their resignations, but the Pope doesn't always accept the resignations and keeps them working for a while longer if they feel up to it. However in this case Francis decided to replace the dude with someone else...
  10. Hi, all. I'm a long-time lurker here on Free Jinger and an even-longer-time insomniac. So while I stayed up late last night, yet again scrolling through 'Quiver Full of Snark' and stifling my snorts and chuckles to avoid waking my sleeping boyfriend, I realized that I had yet to comment or use any of the new site features (including the option to create this blog). Honestly, I have to admit I've been a bit intimidated by the daunting number of in-jokes, acronyms, fundie-knowledge and general awesomeness I've only observed from a distance (self-admitted creepery, right there) . I know that's what 'SOTDRT' is for, but I guess my super-strength social anxiety can carry over to the Internet, too. Here we go... First, about the blog name: Fort Tryon Park is easily my favorite place on the planet and also where I spend a lot of my free time. It's stunningly beautiful in any season and home to the Cloisters Museum, which houses the Metropolitan Museum of Art's Medieval Art collection including the famed Unicorn Tapestries and painted reliquary busts of female saints. Access to the park and the Cloisters grounds is also 100% free (which makes it the perfect place for a broke twenty-something like myself to hang out) and just two blocks over from the shoeboxed-sized one bedroom apartment I share with my boyfriend, our cat, and our two ferrets. Plus, with the Met's "pick-your-price" donation policy, you can pay as little as $1 entry fee for the Cloisters. If you're ever in New York, make sure to take the A train uptown all the way to 191st Street to check out this totally underrated cultural gem. Speaking of reliquary busts, the Catholic Church has a long history of peddling the body parts of dead saints. Having been raised in an extremely religious Irish and French Canadian Catholic family, I'm no stranger to the bizarre and frankly kind of icky practice of venerating relics. My mom gave me the middle name "Thérèse" as a tribute to one of her favorite saints, Saint Thérèse of Lisieux, aka "the Little Flower of Jesus." The devotion to this particular saint was apparently inspired by her visit to the Carmel De Lisieux, the site of Thérèse's tomb and the Carmelite cloistered convent (say that ten times fast!) in Lisieux, Normandy where she made her claim to fame by basically being a model nun from the age of tender age of fifteen until her untimely death in 1897 from tuberculosis. She was 24 years-old when she died, which also happens to be my current age. #Goals. So, my largely Irish-and-Italian-American hometown had a designated boutique for Catholic knick-knacks right in the middle of a prime commercial real estate zone on Long Island, NY. It closed about six years ago, probably due in large part to the recession, and because all of the enthusiastic Catholic consumers have since retired and moved down to Florida. Pretty much everyone I went to Catholic school with has either lapsed in their faith or is a full-on Atheist. Unlike its neo-Evangelical counterparts, Catholicism isn't exactly hip. Over the past few years, Catholic Church closings have been commonplace in dioceses throughout the Northeastern and Midwestern United States. Although, it is pretty amusing to imagine Catholic goods stores blowing up on Yelp: Hipsters raving about growlers of filtered, ionized holy water and the energizing properties of the signature tea blend made from powdered remains of the Canonized. "The house blend StigMatcha red-green tea is literally the ONLY way I can start my day." and "Saint Boneventure's Bone Broth™ has been nothing short of miraculous in helping to cure my leaky gut syndrome!" Anyway, whenever someone we knew received a sacrament, my mom would run out to the Catholic store to get the appropriate gift for that occasion. At least for a Baptism, First Holy Communion, Confirmation, (First) Reconciliation, or Marriage... Anointing of the Sick gifties would be too morbid even for an Irish Catholic, and all of the family friends who took Holy Orders did so after the Catholic store had already closed. (Thank God for Online Shopping, am I right, ma?) So, for my first communion my mom handed me this delicately wrapped box from the local Catholic store. Inside was pair of rosary beads with a portrait of my middle-namesake in the center. When I turned it over, I noticed a small, reddish-brown dot coated with a clear lacquer. I naively asked my mom what the spot was, and she proudly explained to her stunned seven year-old daughter that it was a drop of St Thérèse's actual blood. Apparently, the addition of this hundred-year-old bodily fluid made it extremely special and holy. Looking back, few things illustrate the total incompatibility of my mother's and my world views quite like the fact that she fully expected me to be thrilled, and not, you know, totally horrified. I've since spent a good chunk of time playing the Elder Scrolls series, and can confidently say those rosary beads bordered on some straight-up fantasy RPG necromancy shit. But this is par for the course with the Catholic Church. Europe is littered with cathedrals, monasteries, and other pilgrimage sites where devoted Catholics gather to gaze upon the airtight glass displays showcasing the remains of "incorruptible" saints. While I'm no longer one of the Faithful, I still very much enjoyed visiting several of these sites, especially St. Denis’ Basilica just outside Paris. Between assigned course reading of Peter Brown and finally having the option of NOT attending Mass on Sundays, I have finally begun to appreciate these wonderfully weird relics for what they really are: a source of fascination, intellectual curiosity, and yes, even abject horror.
  11. EmeraldPickle

    The Seewalds are Protestent?

    So I was reading the Seewald Blog and I was reading the comments section on the entry where Mike Seewald thanks all the haters and he responded to another poster about Catholicism. I made a screenshot.
  12. I was going though old folders in my e-mail and found this from years ago. Thought some of you might enjoy. I really want an atheist to ask if they can join. This is what I asked Can we join ATI if our family is Catholic? The response Dear Homeschoolmomma1, Thank you for your inquiry. ATI and IBLP (the parent organization) are nondenominational and there have been many Roman Catholics (including priests and nuns) who have attended and expressed appreciation for the Basic Seminar over the years, however, if you are a practicing Roman Catholic you would find the ATI Wisdom Booklets to be in tension with many significant points of orthodox Roman Catholic doctrine, polity, and practice. For instance, the ATI curriculum will... -...not support an exalted position for the virgin Mary (we believe Mary was highly favored by the Lord and was obedient to perform one of the highest roles a human has ever been asked to do in being the earthly mother of the Christ, but she was also a sinner who needed to be saved by the shed blood of Jesus Christ the same way any one else must be saved; we believe that she also gave birth to other children by Joseph) -...not support an exalted place for the position of pope, i.e., above any other bishop (elder or pastor); we hold the Word of God--the Bible to be of higher authority than any official church creed or doctrine or papal decree -...not support a celibate clergy (we believe some were single, but that Peter among others was married) -...not support the liturgy or symbolism of the mass, but rather will promote participation by believers in the taking of communion as a remembrance of our Lord's broken body and shed blood (the elements being symbolic rather than actual body and blood) -...not support the doctrine of purgatory or prayers for the dead -...not support the baptism of infants -...speak mostly favorably of the Reformers Martin Luther and John Calvin The list could go on longer, but this may be sufficient for you to understand the challenges a Roman Catholic might find with joining ATI. If you were to apply, you would need to agree with ATI's Statement of Faith without serious reservation. If that were the case, then, when your application is received, I would review it and probably need to have further communications with you to see if I could be convinced that your participation would not create problems for you or for us. We believe faith is a matter of conscience for each person and we would not want to try to convince anyone to change their beliefs unless they felt it was God Himself through His Word and the ministry of the Holy Spirit who was leading them to do so. Thank you again for your interest and may God bless you with a knowledge of His will for you in this matter. Dwight M. Fredrickson, PhD IBLP/ATI Administrative Director
  13. The highly anticipated Ben Seewald Facebook thesis "Catholics: Doing it Wrong for 2000 Years" was finally published! http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.co ... holics.png Sadly, he was convicted to delete the post when commenters pointed out that he really has no clue at all about Catholicism. http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/ ... criticism/ **not breaking links, because RADAR
  14. 0 kids n not countin

    Bible Believing Baptists Beware!!

    Sigh, just SIGH...
  15. So the Freedom from Religion Foundation recently ran this full-page ad in the New York Times: I admit the ad is timely, but will it have any effect? Can anything get liberal and nominal Catholics to stop attending and financially supporting the church? Bill Donohue has worked himself into a frothing rage over it, so at least there's that benefit.
  16. was exactly like President Obama's new policy back when he was governor of Arkansas. http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/15 ... s-20120216 Now Mike Huckabee is saying how President Obama's mandate is an attack on religious freedom and saying how "We Are All Catholics Now."
  17. So... can somebody clear up for me the position Duggars and their particular flavour of fundie hold on the catholic church? Not only is there the Knights of Columbus sign, but apparently yesterday they went campaigning for Santorum to Ave Maria, a catholic university town in Southwest FL (ask me how fundie! They have flamewars about communion railing). There's a bunch of pictures floating around facebook, of JimBoob, Smuggar and couple of the older girls posing with residents and in front of the university and the Oratory. My partner has a bunch of Ave people friended on facebook and those pictures popped up on her wall; lots of comments, and the reaction to the Duggars seems to be overwhelmingly positive. I'd always thought ATI/Gothard and the catholic church didn't mesh... what gives?
  18. Years ago, I saw one of the Duggar specials (the one where they move into their big, new house) and I was kind of intrigued by the family. I've seen episodes of x Kids and Counting since then and I've had some interest but not much more than that. Recently, though, I became quite fascinated by the whole thing, to the point of a mini-obsession (just for a few days). So what's the deal? I don't think I tuned into the idea of the Duggars' religious beliefs until this recent obsession. Now I've just been reading various forums, blogs and websites and am just becoming a tiny bit familiar with the acronyms, etc., used in these patriarchal Christian circles. It's taken me a few days of pondering.... what is the deal? Why am I so focused on this topic right now? What is it that I am searching for or trying to see in all of this? So I think I finally hit on an answer. The whole movement reminds me of my family's and my culture's history. I am French-Canadian. I am actually an only child, raised by a single mom (who'd left my dad while I was still a baby, after it became apparent he was an full-blown, active alcoholic with no desire of being anything else) so it isn't like Patriarchal Christianity is my own personal experience. And yet... it lurked in the background... as it probably did for most French-Canadian people after the mid-1960s or so. Prior to that, of course, it was the reality of so, so many French-Canadian families. My mom, born just before the second world war, was the youngest of 8 children. Catholicism was very much practiced in her childhood -- daily morning masses, evening family rosaries, lenten fasting, etc., etc., etc. -- just a typical French-Canadian Catholic family. She raised me Catholic too, and one of the rules I had to abide by (regardless of how much protest) was attending weekly Mass until I was 16 (though when I was old enough to go on my own, I did have the option of attending the religious service of another denomination in lieu of mass, something which I did on a few occasions) -- I disliked the ritual of Mass from the time I can remember. Later, I came to dislike it more because I did not believe and it made me feel hypocritical to be there. So I've been agnostic, leaning towards atheistic, since my pre-teen years. And I've also had some interest in Canadian history, including religious history in Quebec. So I've got this picture of the dominance of the Catholic church and of the "revenge of the Cradles" and all these components that are so, so, so very similar to the Duggars' life as portrayed in their TV shows... BUT BUT... something just wasn't adding up. As I watched the Duggars and read a bit about the Quiverfull movement and Patriarchal Christianity (and, admittedly, I've only read a tiny bit so far), even though it seemed so much like a present-day reincarnation of what was the norm in French Canada up until the 1960s, something was still fascinating me, keeping me obsessed, even keeping me awake at night... Finally, I realized it was the cheerfulness, and expression of joy!!!! That's the difference. I don't know how these values actually played out in historical French-Canadian families, but I do know the way I was raised was that when you were in prayer, in Church or anything of the sort, you were supposed to be SERIOUS. And quiet. And private. My mom is just a pretty serious person, who probably wouldn't rank "fun" as one of her important values. From what she's told me about her own mom (who died long before I was born), she was even more serious, even dour. There are only a few pictures of her and she sure isn't smiling in any of them. And in French-Canadian popular culture, there are many historical portrayals. While joy and fun do occasionally show up on party nights, like at weddings, where there is fiddling and square dancing (and drinking!), the regular mode is hard work. And seriousness. Perhaps some pain and suffering. Prayer and worship are all very, very serious. Certainly not to be done with smiles on. So that's what it was!!! Here are the Duggars (and presumably others like them) who appear to be happy, or at least in a good mood, and who value that. That was my sticking point. My image of my French-Canadian ancestors is that they worked hard and hoped for happiness after death and for all eternity... and delayed cheer and fun and good moods until that time. I may have a skewed image. Like I say, I didn't actually live it, the era where the Catholic Church ruled and women were told to submit to God and their husbands and keep having children, even if it killed them. But at least my image of it is that no one had to be HAPPY about God's will. I just picture all these overworked, tired, serious, ill-tempered adults and maybe a few moments of fun snuck in between siblings. Seeing the Duggars smile and seemingly be happy. That's what's new. That's what's fascinating.
  19. clarinetpower

    I miss Michelle

    at farmhijabi. She posts so rarely now, and about such uncontroversial things. I miss her weirdo Catholic stuff and her weirdo transformers stuff and most of all I want to know how she's doing health and mental health wise. She was really putting herself out there for a while; it took guts. I was really hoping to see some progress or something, but there's not much there. Just had to say that. Anyone else been watching?
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