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  1. Jenesis Jexodus

    Thomas Jefferson's "Secret Bible"

    So apparently Thomas Jefferson created his own version of the Gospels, saving what he thought was correct, and removing the rest. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/1 ... ?hpt=hp_c3
  2. holierthanyou

    Bible Memory Verses?

    While happily wasting some time jumping from Fundy blog link to Fundy blog link, I came across this blog which is for (current? former?) ATI "Journey to the Heart" girls, where they talk about how this month's Bible memory verse is to memorize the entire chapter of Romans 8 (39 verses). That seems like an impressive feat (or at least it would be impressive for my paltry brain). http://www.livingthejourney.com/ Anyway, it made me curious if most Fundies see that much Scripture memorization (on a constant basis) to be 'normal'? I had been under the impression that there was pressure to memorize one or two hundred individual verses when you are a child, but as a n adult you were more just expected to 'maintain' your memory of those verses. I did not realize that there was a large group of Fundies who seem to (?) memorize entire chapters (and even books) of the Bible every single month for their entire lives. How common do you think it is to memorize that much? Anyone (ex-Fundy, presumably) want to share what the largest single section of the Bible they memorized was? In high school I memorized the 23rd Psalm, but that was by far and away the longest passage I ever managed (and I couldn't get past the first verse today).
  3. debrand

    The Bible And Finances

    On another thread, someone mentioned that the bible talks about things like not going into debt etc. I was wondering what you guys think that the bible teaches about finances One thing that has struck me is that despite its faults the bible does say a lot about helping the poor. Farmers were supposed to leave the corners of their fields uncut so that poor people could use that for food. Every few years all debts were forgiven. Jesus talked about giving your extra coat to the poor. There seems to be the constant theme that everyone should share their excess with those without. There really is not judgement about why those people are poor. So, what do you think the bible teaches about finances? Proverbs 14:31 He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. Proverbs 17:5 He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished.
  4. So, someone quite dear to me has recently been baptised into the Baptist faith. Then she announced her pregnancy by her Baptist fiancee - which, by the way, is appropriately miraculous for this time of year as they claim to have been practicing abstinence . They got married last week. She tells me all the time that the Bible is the word of God and is to be taken literally. I'm quite familiar with the Bible, and I think it's for this reason that I've been having trouble wrapping my head around what biblical literalism really means. For instance, today it struck me that it means, presumably, that she denies evolution. EVOLUTION. It also means that the part of her vows where their youth pastor said that woman was made from Adam's rib and thus she was becoming a part of her husband's body, and therefore must always remember that she owes him (her new husband) her life - yeah, they meant that literally. I know this is something I need to ask her more about, but I just find myself so literally baffled by the stuff she says that our conversations don't often get very far - part of me is floored by it, part of me wants to be careful not to hurt her feelings so I clam up. These concepts are pretty incomprehensible to my generally rational self, so I'm wondering, fellow FreeJingerites - if someone takes the Bible literally, what exactly does that mean they believe? Please help me wrap my head around this.
  5. Now, I think Komen is a pile of crap charity, but I suppose preventing the chance someone might come in contact with someone who might happen to be affiliated with someone who performs abortion is more important than breast cancer screening and treatment.
  6. Here is a video from JimBob and Michelle advertising the Seed Company's "Gift a Verse" program. Give someone a card that says you paid $26 to have a Bible verse translated into a new language in their name. http://vimeo.com/32473352 So, this is like the fundie version of giving someone a certificate saying you had a star named after them?
  7. Origen, an Egyptian christian of the early third cenury I'm reading a Book caled "Apocalypses" by Eugen Weber Origen and many other early christian were against a literal interpretation of the Bible. They felt it was too Jewish and that scriptures should be taken symbolically and discouraged calls of the 'second coming of Christ" as a Jewish fable ,many early Christians were actualy embarrasing of the literalists. Sain Augustine also used symboism to account for the differences between the differing origins of Jesus in Matthew and Luke.
  8. 0 kids n not countin

    400th anniversary of the King James Bible

    http://www.pinoyhalo.com/2011/11/17/king-james-bible-400th-anniversary-of-the-1611-authorized-king-james-version-of-the-bible/ Are the fundies celebrating??
  9. clibbyjo

    Which Bible to read?

    My 15 year old was telling me after the Bible ,Don Quixote was the next most printed book. While at the library yesterday, he got out Don Quixote. Anyway, we were discussing this and fundies/religion on the drive home. I said "You should read the Bible and make up your own mind." and both he and 12 year old said they want to read the bible anyway,but what version? I said KJB is the fundie fav., but I have an old Catholic one in my closet if they want that one. Son says he specifically wants to read Old Testament.I said Jesus was a Jew so maybe he should pay close attention to the first 5 chapters because that is part of the Torah right? I am NOT a Bible person at all so I need help now. So dear FJer's which much more Bible knowledge than myself, which should I recommend? This winter I am hoping to set up a few fieldtrips with different places of worship so the kids get world religion from the actual people to practice it. This Bible reading would fit in great.
  10. countressrascal

    Could someone explain to me - King James Version

    Why is there such a big thing about being a follower of the King James version vs others? Not being of the faith, Jewish,why is this a big deal? I know I am missing out on the trilogy (Old and new testament plus The Book of Mormon), that is life.
  11. GeoBQn

    Quote the Bible, Get a Discount

    A car repair place is offering a discount on oil changes if customers quote John 3:16. http://news.yahoo.com/video/dallascbs11 ... 74103.html
  12. topical-bible-studies.org/35-0051.htm I was reading some Bible stuff and I found this topic. Fundies love to quote the Old Testament so I wonder how many of them would agree to this old rule? EW at that thought. My BILs dislike me and I dislike them lol! lol
  13. MamaJunebug

    He's too good to us! Gift after gift...

    Ncfic.org/weblogmodule/view/id/926/src/@random493e73d2154bd/ Headline says, "The Christian Post Reports On Families Gathering To Study Bible Doctrine" and photo beneath it is of a lovely family of 3 men in a clubby library with a bronze bust on the mantel and no sign of women At All... Oh, I do so appreciate Scott's sense of wicked irony .... wait, what? He isn't ... oh, well,then. Even funnier!!!!! Updated link: https://ncfic.org/blog/posts/the-christian-post-reports-on-families-gathering-to-study-bible-doctrine
  14. debrand

    The New NIV Is Bad For Women

    Because I am not a bible theologian, I can't speak to all of this posters points but I thought some of you might better able to do so. I found a link to her article on LAF, so it is reasonable to suppose that she shares their ideology. girlsgonewise.com/10-reasons-why-the-new-niv-is-bad-for-women She claims the NIV hurts women. I fail to see how that is possible. She can buy any bible translation that she wants. No one is going to stop her from buying a KJV if she wishes. But I am curious what concept about the Christian god someone from another culture couldn't understand. She doesn't give any examples. Again, I don't know but isn't the NIV more accurate in its translation of the text? English is not the original language of scripture so it makes sense that a modern translation would use words from out time period that are more precise-at least to us. That has nothing to do with demeaning or uplifting women. If the word,people is a better fit for a Hebrew word than, man, why not use that word?
  15. http://www.ocregister.com/news/bible-31 ... |order%3A4 I wonder if Comfort will show up at the event.
  16. latraviata

    Memorise bible verses

    Why on earth would someone memorise bible verses? It doesn't help to better understand the bible. It is a skill without any value or meaning other than to brag about it in a 'holier than thou' kind of way. stevenandersonfamily.blogspot.com/2011/09/how-we-memorize-bible-verses.html
  17. The pastor at the Lutheran church I usually attend has the off-putting habit of occasionally inserting a topical reference in otherwise solid, Law and Gospel sermons. Thus one Sunday he out of nowhere lamented gay marriage. A month or so later he mentioned abortion (not in a good way). And then he spoke briefly about the sad fact of “disobedient wives.†When I mentioned that to a dear friend she surprised me by saying that she had heard a sermon from this guy, decades ago, in which he ranted on Eph.5:21-22, the “wives submit†passage. She left his congregation after that, since she had quietly survived a physically abusive husband. Blessedly, she later heard an excellent, balanced sermon by a different pastor on all of Ephesians 5:21-33, in which the message was delivered to the women and the men: Both our roles are to support the other. Neither of us is to lord it over the other. Both of us are to do for the other, before ourselves. IOW like Christ. He was Love. He didn't lord it over anyone. He did for everyone before Himself, dying for everyone who ever had been or would be born. This got me thinking about the book, “Love and Respect†by Eggerichs. He basically breaks Eph. 5:21-33 down into “women want to feel loved and men want to feel respected.†After several decades of thought on this, I have come to this conclusion: Men and women in marriage want the same thing. They want to know that they are safe with at least that one other person, their spouse. They want to know they are valued: loved, respected, -- the semantics matter, but they don’t. Ephesians isn’t at all wrong in what’s written in 5:21-33. What's wrong is the mis-interpretation by cunning, craven, manipulative, power-hungry men (and a few women) who do wrong by emphasizing the direction given to women and especially by twisting that direction into something it's not. Think about him before you think about yourself, bride. Think about her before you think about yourself, groom. That’s what the writer to the Ephesians was saying. All that said, I am including this link to an interesting, pretty hopeful dialog on a board run by Lutherans who are orthodox in their beliefs. I don’t participate. And yes, the Hemingway woman is married to that Hemingway, the conservative one who was mentioned (without much fondness) in a 30 Rock episode. It was the first and only time I’ve heard of him, because I just don’t listen to commentary anymore. I know what I believe. So anyhoo. This is hecka long and if you’ve gotten this far, gold star!!!! Enjoy the discussion, and if you decide to play with the Lutherans at “Brothers of John the Steadfast,†please be nice. Most of them seem to be thoughtful, non-dominionistic people. steadfastlutherans.org/?p=15535
  18. O Latin

    Jesus is like a cell phone

    I have an uncle who is sort of fundie-lite-ish, I think (I'm not entirely sure). This morning he posted this on Facebook. He posts stuff like this a lot, and it doesn't usually bother me, but this one did, for two reasons I think. First of all, it reminds me of those "repost if you support cancer patients/earthquake victims/the troops/whoever" things, which just annoy me in general. I don't know why. Second of all, I know I'm probably taking this to literally, but a cell phone is a practical thing to carry with you everywhere you go. The Bible is not. People don't carry cell phones everywhere because they're slaves to the technology gods (well, there might be some). They carry them because it's useful to be able to arrange to meet up with your friends after class or call someone to come get you if your car won't start or check an important email when you're not near a computer. The Bible cannot help me do any of those things. If I carried it around all day it would just be extra weight in my purse or backpack. I get that the point of the cell phone analogy is that Jesus should be your lifeline or whatever, but it still annoys me. Yes, Jesus is important (if you're a Christian), but there are also other important things besides Jesus.
  19. doggie

    so the bible has changed over time.

    In Jerusalem, scholars trace Bible's evolution MATTI FRIEDMAN Published: Aug 12, 2011 2:29 AM JERUSALEM (AP) - A dull-looking chart projected on the wall of a university office in Jerusalem displayed a revelation that would startle many readers of the Old Testament: the sacred text that people revered in the past was not the same one we study today. An ancient version of one book has an extra phrase. Another appears to have been revised to retroactively insert a prophecy after the events happened. Scholars in this out-of-the-way corner of the Hebrew University campus have been quietly at work for 53 years on one of the most ambitious projects attempted in biblical studies - publishing the authoritative edition of the Old Testament, also known as the Hebrew Bible, and tracking every single evolution of the text over centuries and millennia. And it has evolved, despite deeply held beliefs to the contrary. For many Jews and Christians, religion dictates that the words of the Bible in the original Hebrew are divine, unaltered and unalterable. For Orthodox Jews, the accuracy is considered so inviolable that if a synagogue's Torah scroll is found to have a minute error in a single letter, the entire scroll is unusable. But the ongoing work of the academic detectives of the Bible Project, as their undertaking is known, shows that this text at the root of Judaism, Christianity and Islam was somewhat fluid for long periods of its history, and that its transmission through the ages was messier and more human than most of us imagine. The project's scholars have been at work on their critical edition of the Hebrew Bible, a version intended mainly for the use of other scholars, since 1958. "What we're doing here must be of interest for anyone interested in the Bible," said Michael Segal, the scholar who heads the project. The sheer volume of information makes the Bible Project's version "the most comprehensive critical edition of the Hebrew Bible in existence at the present time," said David Marcus, a Bible scholar at the Jewish Theological Seminary in New York, who is not involved with the project. But Segal and his colleagues toil in relative anonymity. Their undertaking is nearly unknown outside a circle of Bible experts numbering several hundred people at most, and a visitor asking directions to the Bible Project's office on the university campus will find that many members of the university's own staff have never heard of it. This is an endeavor so meticulous, its pace so disconnected from that of the world outside, that in more than five decades of work the scholars have published a grand total of three of the Hebrew Bible's 24 books. (Christians count the same books differently, for a total of 39.) A fourth is due out during the upcoming academic year. If the pace is maintained, the final product will be complete a little over 200 years from now. This is both a point of pride and a matter of some mild self-deprecation around the office. Bible Project scholars have spent years combing through manuscripts such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, Greek translations on papyrus from Egypt, a printed Bible from 1525 Venice, parchment books in handwritten Hebrew, the Samaritan Torah, and scrolls in Aramaic and Latin. The last member of the original team died last year at age 90. The scholars note where the text we have now differs from older versions - differences that are evidence of the inevitable textual hiccups, scribal errors and other human fingerprints that became part of the Bible as it was passed on, orally and in writing. A Microsoft Excel chart projected on one wall on a recent Sunday showed variations in a single phrase from the Book of Malachi, a prophet. The verse in question, from the text we know today, makes reference to "those who swear falsely." The scholars have found that in quotes from rabbinic writings around the 5th century A.D., the phrase was longer: "those who swear falsely in my name." In another example, this one from the Book of Deuteronomy, a passage referring to commandments given by God "to you" once read "to us," a significant change in meaning. Other differences are more striking. The Book of Jeremiah is now one-seventh longer than the one that appears in some of the 2,000-year-old manuscripts known as the Dead Sea Scrolls. Some verses, including ones containing a prophecy about the seizure and return of Temple implements by Babylonian soldiers, appear to have been added after the events happened. The year the Bible Project began, 1958, was the year a priceless Hebrew Bible manuscript arrived in Jerusalem after it was smuggled out of Aleppo, Syria, by a Jewish cheese merchant who hid it in his washing machine. This was the 1,100-year-old Aleppo Codex, considered the oldest and most accurate version of the complete biblical text in Hebrew. The Bible Project's version of the core text - the one to which the others are compared - is based on this manuscript. Other critical editions of the Bible, such as one currently being prepared in Stuttgart, Germany, are based on a slightly newer manuscript held in St. Petersburg, Russia. Considering that the nature of their work would be considered controversial, if not offensive, by many religious people, it is perhaps surprising that most of the project's scholars are themselves Orthodox Jews. "A believing Jew claims that the source of the Bible is prophecy," said the project's bearded academic secretary, Rafael Zer. "But as soon as the words are given to human beings - with God's agreement, and at his initiative - the holiness of the biblical text remains, even if mistakes are made when the text is passed on."
  20. I've had a ton of state mandated training the last couple days. One of the classes I had was on spiritual development. During the class the instructor (who is employed by the same church I work for currently) went on and on about KJV only for bible study (even though the church preaches in NIV). Then at the end she talked all about YEC and the creation museum. Turns out the church I work at is having a conference by the guy from the creation museum - complete with children's activities about dinosaurs. My poor brain can't wrap itself around this. I'm pretty conservative religously and politically, but I'm a theistic evolutionist. This whole situation rubs me the wrong way. Should I go for the snark factor?
  21. cjsmom

    Customer reviews of the KJV!

    http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-King-J ... ddOneStar' A giggle for a Monday afternoon! Enjoy.
  22. somewhereinbetween

    Bad Translations

    A friend showed me this website, which translates things over and over in 56 different languages and then back to English. Is it terrible that the first thing I thought of was FJ and bible translations? Of course I had to type in part of Proverbs 31, and after about a dozen translations the part I chose stopped making logical sense. Interestingly, along the way several translations skewed the interpretation in way that put down both genders. "An excellent wife, who can find? For her worth is far above rubies. The heart of her husband trusts in her, And he will have no lack of gain. " became "For a good woman can not find it? The price is more pronounced than stone. I believe in her husband's heart, the lack of merit." and "If a woman can not find it? The cost is more than a stone. I think that the lack of submission in the heart of his wife." I realize this website is intended to show how the internet is a poor translator. However, it really made me wonder how fundies can cling to the KJV with such tenacity, as I'm sure at least 50 translations were involved between the initial writings of biblical texts and King James' commission of the bible... http://www.ackuna.com/badtranslator
  23. twin2

    I'm Now KJV Only!!

    I know I have had a few snarky comment about the KJV only Bible. I've snarked about God not speaking in Shakespearean English, and that like all other versions it is just a translation, ect. ect. However I am not to proud to admit I was wrong. All it took for me to see the light was to hear this inspirational number, The King James Bible. It is sung to perfection by two defrauding Godly men. I encourage you all to listen to this masterpiece and see the error of your ways: youtube.com/user/fireballbaptist#p/a/f/0/vUD8XOr-P2A
  24. The New Holy Bible is a giant washing sink. It removes all the filth from you. Cleans you up. Makes you run parallel to the bible. And that gets you into Heaven. There are only four real "mortal sins". The worst sins. They are worse than murder. If you are a pro-choice baby stomper. That is "mortal sin" which will preclude your admittance into Heaven. If you support homosexual perverts. That is "mortal sin" which will preclude your admittance into Heaven. If you do not say an original and unique grace prayer before every meal. That is "mortal sin" which will preclude your admittance into Heaven. If you do not find your butt in a Protestant church pew at least once a week. That is "mortal sin" which will preclude your admittance into Heaven. Millennium baby. It is time to be good.
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