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  1. Ok, some how a close friend who has an insanely fundie past*, has decided to slip a bit back into the Bible and decided to suddenly try to lead me to bible study with her. I told her politely no, then had to be more firm about some small ways I don't follow or believe in the bible. Any way, I obviously didn't do it right as she is insisting that the Bible never condones rape, or creates rules for what I called "acceptable rape". So I thought I would first ask about where I can find these Scriptures, but that got me to thinking, what other Scriptures have you all come across that also had you shaking your heads, or in shock? ** Due to friendship I won't get into her past, but it involved home churching, extra minimalism to the point even same sexed children shared clothing, in the name of Pride and Jealously, Bible only schooling, with almost no Maths, they lived totally off the grid in the desert, and if they had a blog, I think they would have been a hit around here.
  2. A fundie-lite friend of mine posted this on Facebook.
  3. First, I may not be posting this in the correct place, so I'll apologize up front for that. Second, I'm coming at this from the prospective of someone who was raised as an Ebil Catholic, and never has read the Bible seriously, so you'll have to forgive me that, too. Lori A's posts, along with lots of others here in Snarkdom (my favorite kingdom) state that they are simply posting Biblical truths. The WORD, and all that... I recall reading a book about PHC or Liberty in the past couple of years, and there was a comment made about Creationism, and a professor at one of those colleges said that if they gave in on Creationism, it throws the entire Bible into question, and they simply couldn't have that. So...the Earth is 7000 years old, end of discussion! Which led me to scratch my head and wonder, if it's been scientifically proven that the Bible is absolutely, incontrovertibly wrong in that one aspect, couldn't it be equally wrong in all other aspects? I mean, I couldn't give a FRA if people want to believe that cave men rode dinosaurs, but I care deeply that the Bible is used as proof that God hates da gays, that women are, by design, weaker than men, and that wives must submit to their husbands. Then there's the whole cherry-picking thing, and the comments about the Old Testament no longer being valid, but the New Testament still is, etc. It all seems very questionable to me, a self-proclaimed agnostic. So, I'm asking the FJ-ers who do believe in the Bible, whether you believe it's the actual word of God or not, to comment. Do you believe in the Bible despite these limitations, or do you believe science has it all wrong?
  4. 0 kids n not countin

    Bible Believing Baptists Beware!!

    Sigh, just SIGH...
  5. Swamptribe

    "Wine" in the Bible

    This complete and utter denial on the part of so many Fundamentalists of the alcoholic content of wine as mentioned in the bible just fascinates me. A frequent argument put forth by 'fundies' is that the wine mentioned in the bible was actually unfermented grape juice. Example: Anna correcting Josh in front of the children with "grape juice". Most of us here realize this is complete bovine scatology. I was bored this afternoon so started poking around, and found some interesting references on the subject. (not breaking links as I don't think they'll care) http://dispensationalist.blogspot.com/2 ... bible.html The following wiki article lists many of the words used for 'wine' in the bible, and their definitions and meanings culturally. I know these lists are not complete. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_in_the_Bible Greek Transliteration Strong's no. Meaning[58] Biblical appearances οίνος oinos 3631 the common word translated "wine" in the New Testament and Septuagint.[14][59] New Testament[60] and Septuagint (corresponding to masoretic tirosh,[61] chemer,[62] shekar,[63] sobhe,[64] shemarim,[65] and 'asis[66])[67] γλευκος gleukos 1098 "sweet wine" (sometimes rendered "new wine"), which may have been intoxicating.[68][14][69] New Testament[70] and Septuagint[71] σίκερα sikera 4608 a Hebrew loanword from shekar meaning "strong drink."[72] New Testament[73] and Septuagint[74][75] όξος oxos 3690 vinegar, sour wine; could be made from grape wine or other fermented beverages; when mixed with water, it was a common, cheap drink of the poor and of the Roman army[41][42][76][77] New Testament[78] and Septuagint[79] μέθυσμα methusma - an intoxicating drink[80] Septuagint only (corresponding to masoretic tirosh on a single occasion,[81] and to shekar on all others[82])[83] Hebrew The Hebrew Bible was largely written in Biblical Hebrew, with portions in Biblical Aramaic, and a has an important Ancient Greek translation called the Septuagint. The modern Hebrew Bible, which generally follows the masoretic text, uses several words to represent alcoholic beverages: Hebrew Transliteration Strong's no. Meaning[11] Septuagint equivalent(s) יין [12][13] yayin 3196 the common word translated "wine"[14] gleukos (see below), katoinousthai ("to be drunken"),[15] oinopotes ("drunkard"),[16] oinos (see below), sumposion ("drinking party")[17][18] תירוש [19][20] tirosh 8492 properly "must"; sometimes rendered as "wine," "new wine," or "sweet wine." It can represent juice at any stage in the fermentation process,[2] and in some places it "represents rather wine made from the first drippings of the juice before the winepress was trodden. As such it would be particularly potent."[21] It can certainly be alcoholic, as in Ho 4:11 methusma[22] (see below), oinos (all other references; see below)[23] שכר [24][25] shekar 7941 "strong drink"; "denotes any inebriating drink with about 7–10 percent alcoholic content, not hard liquor, because there is no evidence of distilled liquor in ancient times.... It was made from either fruit and/or barley beer";[5] the term can include wine,[26] but generally it is used in combination with it ("wine and strong drink") to encompass all varieties of intoxicants[27] methê ("strong drink, drunkenness"),[28] methusma (see below), oinos (see below), sikera (see below)[29] חמר [30][31] chemer, corresponding to the Aramaic chamar 2561, 2562 "wine"; the word "conveys the idea of 'foaming,' as in the process of fermentation, or when poured out. It is derived from the root hamar, meaning 'to boil up'"[14] methê ("strong drink, drunkenness"),[28] oinos (see below)[32] עסיס [33][34] 'asis 6071 "sweet wine" or "new wine", the vintage of the current year with intoxicating power[14] glukasmos ("sweetness, sweet wine"),[35] methê ("strong drink, "drunkenness"),[28] nama, oinos neos ("new wine")[36][37] חמץ [38][39] chomets 2558 vinegar, which was made from wine or other fermented beverage and used as a condiment or, when mixed with water, a slightly intoxicating drink[40][41][42] omphax ("unripe or sour grape"),[43] oxos (see below)[32] שמר [44][45] shemar, (pl: shemarim) 8105 lees or dregs of wine; "wine that has been kept on the lees, and therefore old wine"[14] ("if [the wine] were designed to be kept for some time a certain amount of lees was added to give it body")[46] oinos (see below), trugias ("full of lees")[47][48] סבא [49][50] sobhe 5435 drink, liquor, wine oinos (see below)[51] ממסך [44][52] mamsak and mesekh 4469, 4538 "mixed drink," "mixed wine," "drink-offering;" the word is "properly a mixture of wine and water with spices that increase its stimulating properties."[14] kerasma ("mixture")[53][54] מזג [55] mezeg 4197 "mixture", "mixed wine" krama ("mixture, especially mixed wine")[56][57]
  6. lizziesmom

    Homosexuality and the Bible

    First time I've ever heard of her but I may start following. This message is quite refreshing, especially coming from a minister. http://rachelheldevans.com/blog/literalist-gluttony
  7. MerryHappy

    The Conservative Bible. (Merged)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/0 ... 10037.html Lo and behold, the Bible has gotten too liberal, according to a group of conservatives. And it needs a little editing. That's the inspiration behind the Conservative Bible Project, which seeks to take the text back to its supposed right-wing roots. Yes, even scripture is not orthodox enough for the modern conservative. Not that it's the fault of the author(s), exactly. The group cites a few reasons why the Bible is too progressive: "Lack of precision in the original language ... lack of precision in modern language" and "translation bias in converting the original language to the modern one." So how can the Bible be conservatized? The group has proposed a Wikipedia-like group editing project. Some of the ideas would only bring the translation closer to the original. But others would fundamentally change the text. 1. Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias 2. Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, "gender inclusive" language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity 3. Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level[3] 4. Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop;[4] defective translations use the word "comrade" three times as often as "volunteer"; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as "word", "peace", and "miracle". 5. Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as "gamble" rather than "cast lots";[5] using modern political terms, such as "register" rather than "enroll" for the census 6. Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil. 7. Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning 8. Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story 9. Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels 10. Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word "Lord" rather than "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Lord God." Among the words to be eliminated: "government." A conservative columnist at Beliefnet described the effort as "just crazy ... like what you'd get if you crossed the Jesus Seminar with the College Republican chapter at a rural institution of Bible learnin'."
  8. So, over in "FRC: 'Nothing More Christian' Than Massive Food Stamp Cut" thread Ken Blackwell, a FRC representative, basically said that cutting food stamps and small government was Christian and biblical. I asked him in that thread if he could point me to those bible verses I would appreciate it. However, I'm not holding my breath so I decided to do a bit of research myself! I went to The Google and found "The Biblical Case for Limited Government" from a publication called First Things which I have never heard of before. Their about us says: So, ok then. That's pretty vague and I can't find a whole lot about them so I will move on to the article. They babble on a bit then get to the start of their argument. The Hebrew Scripture is fundamentally suspicious of the state. Abraham votes in politicians who want to intrude on the lives of everyone else to follow his exact moral code leaves the cities of Mesopotamia and Egypt and heads out into the wilderness (take not modern fundamentalists). They say: Fair enough, but it sounds like they are reading a lot into Abraham's motivations. I think it is also worth noting that there is a huge difference in modern nation states, especially democracies, and living under biblical monarchies. Anyway, biblical states continue to be terrible places to live in. The biblical Israelites were enslaved by the biblical Egyptians (please ignore the lack of historical evidence for this outside the Bible) and they responded by small acts of resistance. How being enslaved and living in a democracy are analogous remains unclear at this point. Anyway, Moses goes out and sees the Hebrews suffering at the hands of the Egyptian by getting food stamps so they don't go hungry an Egyptian beating a Hebrew man. Moses then kills the Egyptian. I would argue here that Moses saw something terrible happened and he stepped in to stop it. I'm not sure if this one incident is enough to justify that government must be small. But, alas, Moses carries on and flees from Egypt and becomes a shepherd out in the boonies. It is here that God reveals himself to Moses, apparently because God doesn't like cities even though God would reveal Godself in cities later on. So far their argument works out to slavery and monarchies are bad, nomadic pastoralism is good. Maybe we should all go buy some sheep and start wandering the countryside. We now jump ahead to Passover where everyone who is to be delivered from Egypt has to put lamb's blood around their door. The price of delivery is an act of civil disobedience (because Amun was represented by a ram -- I learned something today!) And now we begin to get somewhere: However, the article says there can't literally be anarchy, that would be disastrous as shown in the Book of Judges. See, from this I would read that the idea is we need a just state. I would say there are several other forms of state/government than just one that supports enslavement and one that does not exist. The idea they glean from this is: Anyway, at this point in the narrative Saul becomes king and he turns out to be just as bad as the Egyptians. And here we get to the crux of the argument. In the book of Samuel the stat of Israel is formed. Unlike modern states this is not an agreement between the individuals who make up the state. This is an agreement between the individuals who make up the state on one side and God on the other side. They then go on to say that the Bible is more in favour of democracy than any Greek text because God said to Samuel "listen to the voice of the people in everything that they say to you". How this one line goes "further in the direction of endorsing democratic principles than any of the classical texts of Greek philosophy" is beyond me, but there you have it. Now, they say this is not to be interpreted as the government needing only the consent of the people, because the government also needs the consent of (the one version of) God (they deem to be the correct one). What's that now? We are like three quarters of the way into this article and they haven't really said much of anything about limited government?? Well get ready, because here it is! They cite a verse in Deuteronomy: Which they take to mean there should be no large standing armies to wage constant warfare, not too many foreign alliances, and not accumulating a lot of gold apparently means there should be no heavy taxation. Reading that I would think that not greatly multiplying silver and gold to himself would refer more to being a lot more wealthy than the people one is ruling over, but the authors disagree. This ONE verse means there should be a limited state! This, obviously, also means no welfare and food stamps, amirite? The article goes on talking about people accumulating a lot of wealth on the backs of people under them (what does this sound like, I wonder??) and the legitimacy of revolutions. They then go back to how states oscialte between rules like the Egyptians and anarchy. The only happy medium is an imperial government. THEN NAZIS!!!!1!! Because no good analysis of anything ever forgets to discuss the Nazis. And end scene. There you have it folks. We need a specific version of limited government so that people are not enslaved. Good thing that the time fundies hold up as a paragon a Christian limited government had no slavery... oh, wait ..... And this limited government should have the consent of God. I guess only one god's consent. I'm guessing if Vishnu gave his consent that wouldn't go over so well. TL;DR: limited government because slavery! Or something firstthings.com/article/2012/09/the-biblical-case-for-limited-government
  9. lizziesmom

    Bible Secrets Revealed

    New series starting on the History Channel on November 11th. I think it looks very interesting. Anyone planning on watching?
  10. So this guy feels good making new Christians into persecuted Christians. I guess he feels if he makes enough Christians all will be right. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/0 ... 46624.html A Colorado-based Christian group is air-dropping Bibles on North Korea. Over the past year, Pastor Eric Foley and his Christian mission group, Seoul USA, have released around 50,000 40-foot homemade, hydrogen-filled balloons outfitted with Bibles and personal testimonials over rural areas of the country, Fox News reports. Bibles are attached to the balloons in a box or a bag. In North Korea, citizens are forced to follow the state ideology known as "The Juche Idea." Christians there "are the most persecuted believers on earth," Foley told Fox. He estimates that there are around 100,000 Christians in the country. The network reports that 30,000 of those Christians "are believed to be locked inside concentration camps, where they are overworked, starved, tortured, and killed." In 2009, a 33-year-old woman was publicly executed in North Korea after being accused of distributing the Bible. Kenneth Bae, an American missionary, was arrested in North Korea and sentenced to 15 years of labor for "crimes against the state" in May. Foley, who is in his late 40s, told Fox that believers in North Korea have a demand for Bibles nonetheless. He and his wife, a South Korean immigrant, first began sending balloons in 2006, from a location in South Korea near the North Korean border. Even after seven years of sending them up, though, Foley says, "I get choked up, every time, as I let go and watch it take off."
  11. Anxious Girl


    I noticed that most of these Christian fundies confuse Christianity with Bibliolatry aka bibliolater : from Merriam-Webster's site. Most fundies confuse adhering to Christ and worshipping him to adherring to and worshipping the Bible. Particularly fundies like the Tool, the Duggars, Bates, Pearls' and others. They would rather ignore Jesus's teachings and listen to the fire and brimstone history of the OT. Why do you think this is? I personally think that they don't want to listen to the person they want to worship who tells them to obey their country's government, pray in private and give all their belongings to the poor. Rather, they want to tell others how to worship and believe exactly as they do. Thoughts?
  12. Well, I was thinking it's been a while since I saw what good old Marky Mark was up to and checked his blog I was not disapointed. This is also the same Bible that says rabbits chew their own cud. Yes, totally perfect word of God and apparantly Mary never loved baby Jesus. Link: http://markymarksthoughts.blogspot.be/2013/09/according-to-bible-women-are-incapable.html
  13. FJismyheadship

    Can someone please explain this?

    I have a fundie friend on Facebook. I haven't seen her since she graduated high school, but she pops up on my news feed every so often, and I am pretty sure she uses her Facebook to spread Jesus around. Anyway, this was her status today and I am confused. Paul said if Christ wasn't resurrected then we've wasted our lives. That implies that our life's built around Jesus being alive. When did Paul say that? That is not anything I have ever heard before.
  14. fakepigtails73

    Fundies and their love for the King James bible

    I've been thinking about something that has been bugging me in a way recently... Over 90% of the Christian fundies that we write about follow a version of "King James bible-only" Protestantism. For them it seems that all of the other bible versions, including the Roman Catholic version are strictly "verbotten". Ok then... So how do they explain the way christians worshipped between the 1st century AD and the years when King James had the version of the bible that shares his name translated, in the early XVIIth century ? I don't know if what I'm asking makes sense? Do the Duggars and others of the same ilk really believe that for at least fifteen hundred years or so no one nowhere worshipped God adequately? Why is the KJ bible the only one that has their God's stamp of approval?
  15. doggie

    Buffet-Style Bible Believers

    It is good that these things are becoming main stream and in peoples faces . http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neale-don ... 74774.html Using the Bible in this way may seem to provide righteous authority to some Southern Baptist churches, most of which are predicted to end their charters with Scouting in the weeks ahead. That could amount to nearly 4,000 Boy Scout troops soon without a sponsor. Richard Land, head of the Southern Baptists' Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, was quoted in the news story mentioned above as saying that "Southern Baptists are going to be leaving the Boy Scouts en masse." OK. Now. Fair Question time. Which verses of the Bible should be operative in our lives if we are to live up to its moral injunctions, as the Southern Baptists feel that are doing in response to the Boy Scouts' decision to admit gay youths? Do you suppose it might be the verse in the Book of Deuteronomy where it says that if a man marries a woman and finds that she is not a virgin, and if her family cannot prove that she was a virgin before her marriage, "she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death"? Or perhaps it would be the verse that says that if found to be in an adulterous relationship, both the man and the woman are to be taken to the city gates and also stoned to death. (Please keep in mind that if this were to be applied, some churches would have to stone to death their own ministers.) Or perhaps it's the verse that says that only certain people are welcome in God's house of worship. If you happen to be a child born out of wedlock, or the great-great-great-grandchild of a person born out of wedlock, God says you may not set foot inside a church. The Bible makes this very clear. It says that no illegitimate child, "nor any of his descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord, even down to the tenth generation." And did you know this? If a certain part of a man's body happens to be injured in an accident or as a result of war, he may likewise not join with other worshippers of God in a House of the Lord. The Bible says: "If a man's testicles are crushed or his penis is cut off, he may not be included in the assembly of the Lord."
  16. RachelB

    Anybody familiar with Peter Ruckman?

    Until moments ago, when I was reading about various strands of KJV only-ism, I was under the misapprehension that Pensacola's weirdness began and ended with PCC. But that is not the case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Ruckman (not breaking the wikipedia link) ^ This fellow believes that the 1611 KJV "corrected" mistakes in the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts (by magic! we don't need no stinking scholarship!). He also espouses some really repugnant racist stuff, and some entertainingly weird stuff about aliens. Even some fundies find him alarming, partly because of the aliens, partly because he can't seem to stay married to the same spouse, and partly because he uses insulting language. Some sample hand-wringing: wayoflife.org/database/ruckman.html Anyway, Ruckman (I keep wanting to type the last name of our patron saint!) is the pastor of an IFB and the head of a Bible Institute (in the same city as PCC, which suggests he plays poorly with others), and his oddities have been lovingly detailed here. The tract is all kinds of special. thehidalgograincompany.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/the-peculiar-of-pensacola-part-5/
  17. Lady

    A Year of Biblical Womanhood

    rachelheldevans.com/biblical-womanhood/ Has anyone read A Year of Biblical Womanhood? The author decides to live by all gender rules in the bible for a year. She looks at the fundamentalist version of biblical womanhood, talks about the Duggars, Doug Philips, the Pearls and other frequent FJ topics. I'm nearly finished and recommend the book. Here is her blog: rachelheldevans.com/blog/the-abusive-teachings-of-michael-and-debi-pearl
  18. Lady Elaine

    Biblical Rules: Why Do They Matter

    I watched Steve Andersons entire video on head covering. In it he states he believes that once a person is saved they are always saved. He says that he doesn't believe in a works based salvation. Then he goes on to preach about various rules regarding clothing, head covering, hair length, etc. So I posted this comment: "So you don't believe in a works based salvation or that once saved a person can ever lose salvation, correct? So if a person is saved and this is a permanent condition why do all of these rules about hair, clothes, coverings and submission matter? This is a sincere question. It's something I've always wondered about." No response. So I thought maybe I could get one here. If you don't follow biblical rules does that mean you aren't truly "saved". Or can you indeed become "unsaved". Or are there different levels of heaven for those with better behavior? Or is it all nonsense? (Yeah, that's what I lean toward.) For instance, there's the Maxwells. Undoubtedly saved. And living an exceptionally righteous lifestyle to boot. Then there's my brother in law. He goes to a popular contemporary Christian chain church and professes the faith. He also loves tattoos, vodka, sex, swearing, porn and general raunchiness. And posts about his love for such things prolifically on facebook. Everyday. Are they both going to heaven? If so.... Maxwells and friends.... why don't you give it up and have some fun?!?!
  19. trigger89

    10 Bible Contradictions That Aren't

  20. dairyfreelife

    The Bible has a more respectful view of women

  21. treemom

    The bible club gave treeboy a bible

    Putting this here because while it is not strictly fundie it is an example about how zealotry impacts others. My son is in seventh grade in public school. He is a good student, and well behaved and overall well liked. So far middle school has not been terrible for him. At this school there is a school sponsored bible club which meets outside school hours, but on school property and with a teacher as a sponsor. I am supportive of the existence of this group because I think teenagers transition a lot in faith and sometimes it is nice to have a group like this. However, they have crossed the lines. They took up a collection to buy my son a bible for valentine's day. And this had the blessing of the sponsor. Because my son is currently atheist (I only say currently because he has flitted a bit about religion) I am Jewish and my husband is Episcopalian, but neither of us are practicing. We are supportive in whatever faith my son has... I have no idea what I am going to do...but I am pissed. I think this is like religious bullying. Not to mention a little offensive on several fronts. And somehow I don't think giving out Korans would be ok.
  22. homeschoolmomma1

    How do Fundies explain... Lot's Daughters

    How do Fundies explain parts of the Bible, such as in Genesis when Lot's daughters sleep with him and have 2 sons? I reread that in the Bible and God doesn't seem to be upset by it. They of course got Lot drunk because he never would have slept with his daughters without an altered state. I would love to know from former Fundies. In my short time wanting to be a fundie my kids were too young to read that to
  23. dairyfreelife

    Babies Prove the Bible!

    Gail has decided a study on babies proves the Bible is real. Skinner didn't claim clean slates. He was about the operative conditioning, the Skinner Box. Tabula Rasa or clean slate came from John Locke, but can be traced back to Aristotle. It's the nurture theory, which varies among the debate of nature v nurture. Tabula rasa is entirely nurture. This is a documentary of the study she's talking about. youtube.com/watch?v=w_3RIIxpAJo (don't remember how to link the video) biblelovenotes.blogspot.com/2012/12/written-on-baby-hearts.html
  24. I thought this was an excellent article on the bible. or the books that are the bible. Puts it in a whole other light. When it comes to the Bible, modern Americans are at a distinct disadvantage. They know both too much and too little. They know too much because they live in a society in which references to the Bible -- positive and negative -- are frequent, creating a false sense of familiarity. They know too little because they have not read it, or have read only selected portions of it, or have allowed others to read it for them through the filtering lens of later theological doctrines or political opportunism. And that's a pity because the Bible, by which I mean the 24 basic books common to all Bibles (equivalent to the Jewish Tanakh or Hebrew Bible and to the Protestant Old Testament) is deserving of the same careful attention and close reading that we regularly bestow upon other classic texts. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christine ... 73965.html
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    Philippians 4:8 Gets Misused A Lot

    I was curious, have any of you ever had Philippian 4:8 used against you? Usually, I've heard it used to condemn anyone that does anything that the speaker or writer dislikes. I was curious if there are any bible verses that you've heard/read that are commonly used to disapprove of everything in the same way that Philippians 4:8 is used? Here either Ray Comfort or one of his cohorts tell his followers not to have negative thoughts based on Philippians 4:8 onthebox.us/2012/01/stop-wrong-thinking.html gotquestions.org/secular-music.html My former pastor tried to convince me that I should never listen to anything but Christian music because of Philippians 4:8 Use it to destroy your music or video collections preengaged.com/does-it-pass-the-philippians-4-test/ Here it is used against Halloween jeffshort.wordpress.com/2012/10/31/is-halloween-a-healthy-holiday/ To convince people not to read Harry Potter
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